BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.

Subject: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: Tootler
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 04:36 PM

Interesting item on ITN News this evening.

The Archbishop of York has criticised the British Government for the lengthy detention for questioning of a number of Muslims arrested in Birmingham in connection with an alleged kidnap and murder plot. He likened the action of the Government to that of a Police State.

I am sure that our politicians are not going to be very happy with his remarks.

He has also had a go at muslim extremists for advocating killing.

More details from the ITN Website

The ITN report has chosen to headline his comments on muslim extremists. His remarks on the government appear further down the report.

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 04:46 PM

I agree that we should cherish our British traditions.
I agree that religion cannot be an excuse for killing.
The British government leaves a lot to be desired but it is not on to compare it to Idi Amin's barbaric rule.
I'm getting sick of hearing about Jade Goody.

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 05:47 PM

The church has just lost it's argument on gay rights; it's having it's representation in the house of lords reduced. I think they're a bit miffed, poor dears

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: folk1e
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:46 PM

They have 2 years to get used to the gay foster parent problem!

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:53 PM

But of course it'll be quite legal (and reasonably so) to refuse to accept smokers as foster parents.

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: bubblyrat
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 08:36 PM

Despite what you may think,some of us, who live in a democracy,and are therefore entitled to our opinions,do not agree with certain issues.I personally do not agree with the idea of "civil partnerships" for homosexuals ,nor do I agree that they should be allowed to be the parents, by whatever means, of children. The next logical step would be for paedophiles to argue for their "rights", and so on , & who,I ask,is going to support THAT ?? I shudder to think !! BUT----it has to be a logical progression. It is surely time to stop this "anything goes" slide into utter decadence , and apply some common sense (whilst fully respecting the feelings and emotions of those who cannot help feeling otherwise ) before it is too late.Please do not mis-understand me ! I have known many "gay" people in my life,especially in the Royal Navy, and I have never advocated any policy of discrimination against them. However,there is a dividing line between what society as a whole will tolerate, and what it will not.Once we start to allow the same "rights" to every minority that dares to raise its voice,in the names of "tolerance" & "understanding", we run the risk of abandoning the very principles of democracy that so many of us hold so dear. Civil Wars have been fought for less !!!So, in the absence of any credible political leadership in this country, I will look to the Church for some kind of guidance,and I will support them in their views on these sensitive,but potentially civilisation-altering ,topics, come what may.And I will fight,to the death,for the right of any like-minded citizen of these islands,black or white,Christian or Muslim, to feel the same way.If it should ever come to pass that more than 50 percent of the voting population of this country is "gay",then I will accept the validity of whatever majority decisions they make. Until that time,I would respectfully ask them to abide by OUR majority wishes & opinions !! Is that not fair & democratic ??

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: Greg B
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 09:09 PM

Yes but what happens when they allow bubblyrats to breed?

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 09:54 PM

I dunno, goes round in a frock....if we all went round in frocks - where would it all end?

Do you think he wears anything under it?

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 03:25 AM

Bubblyrat - why the link between gay couples and paedophiles? Most paedophiles are heterosexual. Does that mean we shouldn't allow heterosexual couples to adopt? There is absolutely no logic in your rant.
Just what is your problem with homosexuals adopting? Is it because you shudder when you imagine what queer men apparently do to each other? Do you find lesbianism less of a threat? What deep-seeated fears have caused this reaction?
If you look to the church for guidance you'll probably find you're being guided by paedophiles and pederasts if the monks who taught me at prep school were anything to go by.

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 01:06 PM

It's an old argument, bubblyrats, but I will say it anyway: Try replacing 'homosexual' with 'black' or 'African-American' in your post and you will discover the reasoning of 'reasonable' people who resisted the Civil Rights movement.

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 01:44 PM

But how about replacing it with "smokers"?

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 03:00 PM

As far as I'm aware you can't 'give up' being black or gay!

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 03:22 PM

A lot of people say they can't "give up" being smokers.

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 04:06 PM

Don't you just love supernaturalists. Bubblerat says we're abandoning the very principles of democracy , er no, a democratically elected parliament has voted to do something that you happen not to agree with. Tough. Vote them out. The religions (all of them) have such a wonderful record on equality don't they. Being a christian does not give you the right to be treated any differently to rationalists or indeed supporters of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 04:24 PM

A lot of people say they can't "give up" being smokers
I did, and so do many people I know. The prospect of a lingering death, or the witnessed lingering death of a good friend, can be remarkably persuasive.
However, I don't know of anyone who has successfully given up being black. The nearest I can find is Michael Jackson, and he hasn't done it very well!
All of which is a digression. It looks as this comes down to 'It's OK to be prejudiced if my imaginary friend says so.'

< irony>Me, my beef is with the Jews. Why can't they cure themselves. Why should they be allowed to adopt? They ask for 'tolerance and understanding' - I say 'enough already'. How dare they ask for 'rights'. Rights are what belong to the white, christian majority, not to kikes, queers, coons and freaks!
Now fire me up a cross and get me some rope...< /irony>

Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop of York Criticises UK Govt.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 06:05 PM

Our smoking habits and our sex lives are about what we do. Being Black or White or any combination is not. It's out of our control.

And the same may be true when it comes to whether we get hooked on smoking, that it's built into us. And that may well be true of our sexual orientation as well.

For an adoption agency to make a principled decision against putting children into a smoking household does indeed involve discriminating against people who smoke.

But I think would be wrong to close down an adoption agency for discriminating in this matter, just as I think it would also be wrong to close down another agency which decided that it would be wrong, on balance, to exclude smoking households from their books.

There are some 150 adoption agencies or so operating in the UK. It is not necessarily unreasonable that on some issues of lifestyle there might be some difference in the range of people with whom they work.