Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm

Subject: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:27 PM

Film at 11-- no accurate news yet-- but she's gone.

The sordid speculation, jokes, and character assassination are well underway however.

I wish her peace, anyhow.

~Susan

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Bainbo
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:29 PM

Collapsed in a hotel room and couldn't be resuscitated.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:31 PM

Found collapsed.

~S~

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:32 PM

Another sad story.   I'm sure that many will judge her for her public personna, which I guess is all that we really know about her - except for those that were close to her. I hope she is at peace.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Cruiser
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:53 PM

As a parent, I wonder what will become of her 5-month-old daughter.

Man, what a life she will have to look forward to.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: GUEST,Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:56 PM

link.

This is apparently the end of a very long, strange trip, and she has frequently been her own worst enemy. But I think the name of the thread should be shortened. Just leave it "Obit: Anna Nicole Smith." The "buys farm" remark is at best, redundant, and worst, tacky.

SRS

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:07 PM

I agree. The title of this thread wrong.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Alba
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:16 PM

When I read about Ms Smith's sudden death earlier today on a News site I was shocked. Then I was surprised to find myself feeling very sad.

Not too fond of the Thread title, just wanted to say that.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: InOBU
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:28 PM

Don't forget, there was a person behind all that story... God grant her peace and best wishes for her daughter.
lor

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:28 PM

I dunno. I don't think it would be appropriate to change the title, even though it sounds a bit harsh. That's a bit more control than I'd like to exercise, and it starts a precedent I don't want to start. Anna Nicole Smith was a caricature. I'm sure there was real person there somewhere, but nobody saw it. The thread is about the caricature, not the real person.
Wizzy titled the thread. If Wizzy wants it changed, I'd agree.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:36 PM

A knotty question. She seemed as artificial as her breasts, but had a child (poor mite). Part of me, though, sees her as yet another victim of the yearning for wealth and fame that has frazzled social moths since before the time of Hogarth.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: number 6
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:36 PM

Screw the caricature .... change the title.

Tragic, very sad ... may she find peace.

biLL

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Alba
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:37 PM

"Anna Nicole Smith was a caricature"

Well that may be to some but whatever folks think she was only 39 years old and WAS a real person who is now dead.

Changing the title makes no diffrence to me. I have already seen it and commented on it.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:46 PM

How many of you saw the real person before the thread title offended you into it? Read my post-- it was a compassionate one, whether you can see that or not. If people are having trouble with the thread title, maybe it's because you're reading into it a motive not in my heart-- come to think of it, gee-- how often does THAT happen at Mudcat? :~)

How many of you have torn a dead politician to shreds in threads here-- oh yes, Mudcat's got the market on compassion cornered. How many of you have told or laughed at Anna Nicole jokes the last coupla years? Joked about certain astronauts "vacationing all over Floroda"? NOW you're the soul of compassion? OK..... I'm happy for you.


Change the thread title or don't-- I really don't care-- but this excess of sensitivity about it is beyond hypocrisy, given the general tone most 'Catters take whenever any public figure around here has come up for discussion.

~Susan

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: number 6
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:50 PM

Typical ... let's drift an obit thread into a debate.

She was a human being (a human we never knew), a mother and there is a time for ridicule and a time for respect.

I'm outta here.

biLL

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:53 PM

*sigh*...such an 'interesting' life she led. This will fuel the gossip on certain programs for weeks, I'd imagine.....and the bad jokes will be abundant.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:57 PM

Well, you know, Susan, some people spend their whole day hoping against hope that something will come along to which they can take considerable offence... (sardonic chuckle) The text of your post makes it clear that you are showing respect for the lady.

I never really knew much about her. I've seen her name on a lot of movie magazines at the supermarket checkout, but that was about it. I guess if I watched TV I'd know a lot more about it.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Alba
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:15 PM

"some people spend their whole day hoping against hope that something will come along to which they can take considerable offence..."

...and then there are some people that don't!

Hey Number 6! I'm right behind you, hold the door.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Amos
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:23 PM

The title is perfectly respectable colloquial English, the kind I imagine she would have enjoyed. Leave it alone.

I am surprised to hear of her collapse, as she was only 39. But the last 13 have been extremely interesting!


A

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Amergin
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:32 PM

Not much of a loss.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:38 PM

I agree that the persona that she created, wittingly or not, certainly was a caricature, and it lent itself to endless jokes on the talk show circuit. In my real life circle, I never once even heard her name. I would guess that we all recognized the human being behind the facade.

The sadness I feel is the same thing I find myself feeling whenever a person dies without ever having attained what they were capable of doing. Like Elvis. Like Hank Williams. Like many another early death whether known only through the media or in my own experience.

Her little girl faces a difficult life. Remember the Onassis daughter? Remember 'the poor little rich girl', Gloria Vanderbilt? Vanderbilt at least built a life for herself that includes talent and achievement aside from her notoriety as a child.

I hope the Smith child is reared and nurtured by sane, loving, and wise people.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:55 PM

'The sadness I feel is the same thing I find myself feeling whenever a person dies without ever having attained what they were capable of doing. Like Elvis. Like Hank Williams. Like many another early death whether known only through the media or in my own experience.'

Oh come on Ebbie. Elvis and Hank Williams did indeed have untapped potential. We know that because we saw some of what they were capable of. Did Anna Nicole really have any potential beyond what we already witnessed? She was a fairly dim-witted sex kitten with numerous substance issues and a lust for fame and fortune. I really think we pretty much got the whole story.

Unfortunate that she died young, and I see nothing funny about it. Neither did I find it particularly sad or poignant, certainly not like feelings suggested by the deaths of Hank Williams, Elvis, Jimi Hendrix, Charlie Parker, or many others I could name.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 07:03 PM

Hey, Lonesome, my implied point is that, given the caricature, we don't actually know what she was capable of. Maybe she was just extremely good at what she made us see? At any rate, I'm willing to bet that she had her share of anguish in the dark hours. I'll grant her what as a human being she deserves.

In no way am I comparing her talents with Elvis, Jimi, Hank, et al, other than recognizing the all too short lives they each ended with.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 07:12 PM

Quite often the public blond bimbo is the facade of an intelligent woman working to get ahead on her own terms. Not all displayed equal talent, but the intelligence should probably be presumed to be present. (Jean Harlow, Marilyn Monroe, Jayne Mansfield, Carol Wayne, Ann Jillian, etc.) In case no one ever read about it, her trial to get her share of her deceased husband's estate was interesting. The husband's grown son was real piece of work who was probably going to be held criminally liable for his cheating on her share of the estate had he not died last year. And when Smith went to testify before the Supreme Court last year Nina Totenberg was as professional in her coverage as on any other case. No smug reporting, this was a legitimate case before the most important court in the land.

Justifying a callous thread title by pointing at others on different topics is a non-answer. Several people have expressed their sorrow that this troubled woman, still quite young, has died suddenly. Her last few months were very difficult by anyone's standards. They've also registered a level of dismay at the colloquial announcement in the thread title. "Bites the dust." "Buys the farm." "Kicks the Bucket." It's a trite way to announce it, and I find it particularly ironic that someone who too often stands on her christian principles and connections to set herself up as a moral compass for folks here at Mudcat (and sends along scolds when she doesn't agree with subject matter) would be so insensitive regarding how she starts the obit for the early death of a still-young mother.

SRS

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 07:27 PM

God rest her. Poor girl. How tragic for her to die after her 20-year-old son, and leaving after her her little five-month-old baby. I hope her baby finds a loving home.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: GUEST,MarkS
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 07:46 PM

Susan

Right on

Mark

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: GUEST,mother
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 08:06 PM

Not much of a loss.

I'd say it is a very big one to her baby. Sad news.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 08:07 PM

a callous thread title

Nothing callous about it in my heart. If I wanted to be callous I would have said it quite differently. If you are disposed to see it as callous, I'm sorry you see it (and me) that way, but that's your call.

There is a difference between "nice" and "kind." People who know me well are not at all confused which one is important to me.

As a friend once said-- NOT "twee."

~Susan

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Alba
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 08:20 PM

Got PMd to come in here and clarify my thoughts...oooo, like what I think means diddley spit in the world of Mudcat!

I said I wasn't too fond of the choice of thread title.
What really lit my touchpaper was "Anna Nicole Smith was a caricature"
somehow that just PMO.

Susan said nothing in her earlier posts about this young woman's death that struck me as callous or unkind.

Now if you want to talk callous: Not much of a loss seems to fit that category.

There now. For the person that PMd me. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU!!! or should I have typed slower.

Jude

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 09:37 PM

"but this excess of sensitivity about it is beyond hypocrisy, given the general tone most 'Catters take whenever any public figure around here has come up for discussion."

That is not a fair statement. You have no idea of what any of us thought about Anna Nicole Smith and to base your opinion on previous discussions is wrong. I don't think that the obit threads normally take a bad tone when someone passes. Mudcatters may have more compassion than you give us credit for.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and I think it would be a good idea to change. I respect Joe's opinion to leave it as is, but it would be a nice gesture if the originator of this thread asked for a change. If you don't feel that way, it is your choice.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: GUEST,LilyFestre
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 10:10 PM

I find the title to be disrepsectful.
Peace to Anna Nicole Smith and her family.

Michelle

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 10:35 PM

I'd agree that the title is disrespectful, and it's not likely that I would start a thread with such a title myself. Certainly, the title is provocative, but I think it might provoke some good discussion of our attitudes and ways of speaking about death. Otherwise, it will just be another worthless tabloid obituary.

The thread title is an interesting test of societal taboos. Many of our past taboos have disappeared in our "enlightened" age, but most of us are still very uneasy when speaking of death, and get downright nervous when there's even a hint of humor in connection with it. If anything, our death taboos have become more rigid in the current time. Look at obituary threads at Mudcat, and observe how reluctant some people are to even use the word "died" - "passed" seems to be the currently favored word. "The old man kicked the bucket" is nowadays possibly more unacceptable than "motherfucker."

Disrespectful or not, I still hold to my opinion that Anna Nicole Smith was a self-made caricature. The stories of her life were just too preposterous, to the point where it seemed she scripted her life for the tabloids - especially the whole saga of her marriage to the dying nonagenarian billionaire. It IS certainly a shame when a life is lived out in the tabloids instead of in reality, but such was the case with Anna Nicole Smith - which wasn't her real name. She was born Vickie Lynn Hogan in Houston on Nov. 28, 1967. Perhaps Vickie Lynn was a real person, but Anna Nicole wasn't. Vickie Lynn, however, wouldn't warrant any notice in the news at all.

Thus ends the sad life of Anna Nicole Smith. May her next life be happier.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: mmm1a
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 10:41 PM

I was sad to see that she had died. I thought of her baby, and how now there will be a fight for who get's custody. Not a happy start to life for that little girl.
                              mmm1a

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 10:53 PM

I agree with you, Alba. There has to be something behind the public personna and calling her no great loss and a caricature seems callous to me. Joe, you have no idea what her life as a child was like. Many stars were born with some other name; do you condemn them for it?

I am shocked and sad to hear this news and that is not hypocritical; that is an honest feeling as another human *bean.*

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 10:54 PM

Joe,

I don't think she was a caricature, because you would have to know what the caricature was of to make it work, but she did reinvent herself a number of times. When her star would start to fade along would come something new. And she certainly made a big impression when she lost the weight and appeared at the American Music Awards a while back.

SRS

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: mg
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 10:56 PM

I don't think she was a caricature at all...just a tragic, probably drug-hampered person possibly in the snares of a bad man recently. I don't know. She had recent awful tragedies and I would prefer to see a differet obit title..I don't think it was intentional to be disrespectful at all, just one of those awkward things we say when we don't know what to say that looks worse in writing...mg

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: IvanB
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 11:31 PM

Caricature she may have been, but all I'd seen whenever she was in the news for the past 15 years or so was an incredibly sad woman. I'm sorry for her death and doubly sorry for her daughter, who will no doubt be the subject of an intense custody battle between those who will see her only as a conduit to whatever money might be gained through Anna's suit over the inheritance.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 11:48 PM

I saw one episode of her show on A&E. I have never seen such a pathetic portrayal of an addled, self-absorbed, shallow individual in my life. Along with the hangers-on such as her lawyer, who I suppose married her and fathered her child, the most interesting thing about the show was the fact that a network would put such a specimen on exhibit, and they deserve condemnation for giving a public forum to the fiasco of her life. The real victim in the entire tragedy of her life thus far was not her, not her infant child who probably stands a better chance of happiness with foster parentage, but the son who grew up under her "care" and the ogling eye of the camera and died pathetically in her presence at age 18.

Wizzy, I think the "buys farm" comment implies that you certainly disapproved of the woman, and I second your disapproval, but the phrase carries a smirk in it that isn't erased by any other statement in your opening post. Just my opinion.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Wordsmith
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 12:26 AM

Not a good title, I'll agree. Usually statements like that denote an inability to deal with death, by making light of it - tossing it off, but I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, just making an observation.

I was shocked to hear of Anna Nicole Smith's sudden death; I heard it from the kitchen where I was cooking dinner. Of course, I put things on to simmer and went in to hear whatever sketchy details there were at the time. I'm afraid I couldn't help jumping to conclusions. I mean, her son dies at the foot of her hospital bed while she sleeps - drug overdose? Now, she mysteriously dies, collapses and her bodyguard can't resuscitate her?

BTW, she wasn't technically married to that lawyer of hers. They never got a marriage license. Then there's the paternity issues, which I'm sure the two men in question will now be clamoring to get DNA testing for, now that she's gone. Again, jumping to conclusions.

I heard on the 11 o'clock news that her mother (who knew she was even alive?) is trying to get custody of the remaining child. (Sad.) Talk about an American tragedy. If a writer had come up with a novel that laid out ANS' life, no one would have published it. I watched a couple of episodes of her "reality" show...it was pathetic, yet I couldn't help wondering whether it was really what she was like or whether it was pandering to what she thought people already believed or felt about her. Still, I read the tabloids, too. I felt she deserved to win her court battle and did, but wonder if she ever got the money with the guy's son still battling to keep it from her. Or if it made her life any better. The sum in question is $400,000,000.

Now, maybe she's at peace, however she died. And she does deserve respect on that basis alone.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: mg
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 12:27 AM

I think the young man was just about 20. And there is something really wrong with lawyer man and the paternity dispute. All he had to do was help her get the baby a DNA test, and he could have said I will love her like my own if I am not the father, but not put a mother who has just lost a son through this custody battle. mg

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 12:59 AM

Lonesome, I saw snippets of her program in passing, I never actually watched more than a few minutes of it, but I have tended to presume that those "reality" programs are more fiction than fact. They are created for public consumption and there is a formula of smarminess and pathos that must go into them (just like soap operas) to keep people coming back. Do you think she was really that lacking in substance? That's why I made the comment about "dumb blonds" being good at the act but in actuality quite bright.

Mary, I agree.

SRS

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Amergin
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 01:22 AM

She was nothing but a junked up woman, who if not rich and famous would have sold her body on the corner and died in the alley.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: GUEST,ozchick
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 01:55 AM

When I first saw the title of the thread, I thought she'd actually bought a farm.

I don't think we use that saying in Australia, or at least not often enough for me to have heard it before.

It's sad - I mostly feel sorry for her baby.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Metchosin
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 02:01 AM

and that isn't sad?????

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Metchosin
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 02:06 AM

my previous comment referred to Amergin's.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: heric
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 02:15 AM

I am not at all offended by the title, BUT
We shall each, like Anna, breathe in our dying breath, and wonder.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: dianavan
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 02:20 AM

She was beautiful, rich and very sad.

She leaves behind a baby girl that might be worth $400,000,000 since her husband, his son and her son have all died. No wonder 3 people are fighting for custody. I'd be sad too, if I were surrounded by such bad company.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 02:51 AM

"She was nothing but a junked up woman, who if not rich and famous would have sold her body on the corner and died in the alley. " Amergin

Unless you know her more intimately than we do, 'Gin, you cannot possibly know that. And even if it were true, have you considered that just possibly she saw to it that she was "rich and famous" in order to avoid that corner? Many of us are aware of our own frailties.

I have often wondered if those entertainers who died way young from drug abuse of various sorts would have died even younger if they had not gone into the business.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 08:29 AM

Joe, yes, it's also an opportunity to discuss how some people insist on PC language because they can't or won't look for the meaning in the message.

I feel bad for her because she ran out of chances. Despite the dismissive, judgemental types, people can grow and change until they die and are frozen forever in who they are then. I don't have a clue about her life really, but she had a son die, gave birth to a daughter, maybe was in love and appeared to be doing ok.

I watched the TV show a few times and found it both fascinating and repugnant. I think she might have played the characature because she thought that was the best she was capable of. She liked to shake up the easily shaken, she liked to shock people, and I think she would have appreciated the in-your-face title.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith Buys Farm
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 08:44 AM

My only interest in this story is solving the mystery. More people have died than in any of the detective stories I have read recently. Here's a summary:

Her multimillionaire husband E. Pierce Marshall II, died in 1995 at age 90, leaving a fortune to her of more than $400 million

Marshall's stepson who disputed (dispute still unresolved) Anna Nicole Smith's claim to her husband's fortune died last June 20 at age 67

Anna Nicole Smith's son David by her first husband Bill Smith, a cook at Jim's Krispy Fried Chicken, died last September 20 at age 20 in his mother's hospital room in the Bahamas while she was recovering from the birth of her daughter Danniellynn whose paternity is in dispute

Anna Nicole Smith dies February 8 at age 39 after collapsing in her hotel room at a Florida casino.

Too many bodies, and way too much money.

Whose behind all these deaths? Was it her lawyer/lover/possible father of Danniellynn whose unlikely name is Howard K. Stern? Was it the other lover/possible father of Danniellynn photographer with the unlikely name of Larry Birkhead? Was it a heir of Marshall's stepson, whose name has eluded me, who is still bound and determined to collection the $400 million? Or, was it Anna Nicole Smith's mother, a deputy sherriff, who may win ultimately the right to raise her granddaughter? Detective Columbo would love this mystery!

I challenge Mudcatters to solve this mystery before the media annouces its verdict!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: JJ
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 08:50 AM

Who will write a "Candle in the Wind" for Vickie Lynn?

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 09:08 AM

Quite often the public blond bimbo is the facade of an intelligent woman working ...

And more often not; a bimbo is just a bimbo.

Speaking of "shallow" and "addled": her death is significant and worthy of all this attention nd verbal wrangling and angst because.....?

Or is this a Donne-style situation where "Any bimbo's death diminishes me" ?

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 09:09 AM

I know other thread titles have been changed with less provocation.

I understand that these kind of decisions are arbitrary, and I do not mean that as a knock against anyone. We are all human.   Joe makes a good point about this opening up a discussion about our views on death.

I'm sure none of us cherish the thought that there are people out there ready to dance on our grave when the time comes, but it is reality. I would have hoped that Mudcat and Mudcatters would have shown a bit more compassion but people are what they are.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 09:12 AM

I'm glad that guest ozchick said that he actually thought she'd bought a farm because that is what I thought and I'm pleased I'm not the only one. I don't have a problem with the title. I felt really sad when I heard the news, probably because she was an interesting person who had lead an unusual and interesting life even though there were some very sad times for her. If anybody makes a film of her whole life I will definitely watch it.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Wesley S
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 09:51 AM

Why is "bought the farm" used as a term for death? For that matter what about "kicked the bucket"? Does anyone know?

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: mg
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 10:11 AM

has to do with benefits the families of soldiers got in one of the world wars...they often used them to pay off the mortgage on the farm. mg

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 10:27 AM

Idiomatic expressions are one of the reasons that language translation can become an art form. When we are, as the saying goes, "separated by a common language," it illustrates this all the more.

"PC" has nothing to do with this, but it is an easy charge to make if you disagree. The dismissal of a life with a throw-away idiom (as discussed at length) is bad taste, but aparently also in the eye of the beholder.

Morning Edition's piece about her death from this morning.

SRS

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 10:57 AM

"The farm" is just the six-foot plot. Soldiers often talked, also, about buying a little farm when the war was over; and those who didn't make it bought a different sort of farm altogether. It is a phrase used by soldiers to lighten the burden of grim reality, and is not disrespectful--in fact, it is meant to be friendly, or at least comradely.

A

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 11:01 AM

Two erudite discussions on the origins of this phrase can be found at Snopes and at Word Origins. Neither discussion is definitive, but both trace the phrase back to the nineteenth centruy.

A

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 11:33 AM

buying the farm like pushing the daisies is appropriate only for soldiers facing death everytime. It is their way of managing their fears with irony, and should be restricted to them. I wouldn't mind to read it from wherever I'll be in my obit, but for this beautiful mother it seems very inappropriate to me. Poor woman, poor girl.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 11:51 AM

Okay, so that takes care of where "bought the farm" came from. How about "kicked the bucket"? Got a derivation for that, Amos?

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 11:59 AM

You can use the Internet as well as I can, Monsieur Hawk.


A

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 12:04 PM

But since you ask, although I left this note for you over on Rapaire's birthday thred, here's the answer:

"One theory as to why, albeit with little evidence to support it, is that the phrase originates from the notion that people hanged themselves by standing on a bucket with a noose around their neck and then kicking the bucket away. There are no citations that relate the phrase to suicide and, in any case, why a bucket? Whenever I've needed something to stand on I can't recall ever opting for a bucket. This theory doesn't stand up any better than the supposed buckets did.

The mist begins to clear with the fact that in 16th century England bucket had an additional meaning (and in some parts it still has), i.e. a beam or yoke used to hang or carry items. The term may have been introduced into English from the French trébuchet - meaning a balance, or buque - meaning a yoke. That meaning of bucket was referred to in Peter Levins' Manipulus vocabulorum. A dictionarie of English and Latine wordes, 1570:

"A Bucket, beame, tollo."

and was used by Shakespeare in Henry IV Part II, 1597:

"Swifter then he that gibbets on the Brewers Bucket." [to gibbet meant to hang]

The wooden frame that was used to hang animals up by their feet for slaughter was called a bucket. Not unnaturally they were likely to struggle or to spasm after death and hence 'kick the bucket'."

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 12:08 PM

BUT WHO IS THE MURDER?

We're running out of time here.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 12:14 PM

I think it may have been the gummint, Charley. See, Anna Nicole was a longtime - and good - mole...

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 12:36 PM

My impression (I did not study her closely) was that she was unfairly denigrated simply because she was obviously attractive and had big (artificial) breasts. That in itself would not justify the hostility shown above by some.

It has struck me that she would have had some way to go to get down to the level of Jordan - and the sad gain of weight spoke of a person suffering.

I know little of the facts, but my inclination is of sympathy for her.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 01:08 PM

Charlie...just a small detail...her husband was J.Howard Marshall....Pierce, I believe was the recalcitrant son who fought with her.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 01:36 PM

Someone on NPR this morning described Ms Smith as "famous for being famous". It's indicative of the power which mass media and mass marketing exert over much of our society that a woman whose sole claim to legitimate "fame" was the good fortune to have attracted the eye of a lonely rich man should have been elevated to a level of celebrity equal to that of the most talented among us. In the absence of the money-seeking machine that attached itself to her like a leech, she would have been a brief blip on our communal radar, a curiosity whose untimely death would have meritted brief mention, not newspaper headlines and magazine cover stories.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 01:50 PM

There is a lot of truth to the "famous for being famous", but I think it is wrong to dismiss it as just another story about mass marketing. People get attracted to these type of stories because it brings out something of their own lives.   People need to releate, even to the unobtainable.

In her case, she was a topless dancer from a town in Texas, earning money so that she could keep her child.   She gained the attention of Playboy and soon became the Playmate of the Year. She signed a contract with Guess Jeans and soon her face (and other body parts) were well known by all. THEN, she married the oil tycoon who took care of her.   Her career was written off numerous times, she was written up as a kook, yet she bounced back. A single mother who did very well for herself.

Sure, there are other ways to survive. Sure, she earned more than what the rest of us would consider a fair share. Yet behind the story is a moral lesson of survival, gettign ahead, and the dangers of success. THOSE are the lessons that attract people to celebrity.

It is too easy to write it off as a media driven story. You need to look at the reasons why the story gains attention. There are many women like her with similar stories, but her story was the one that captured attenion. There is a reason.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 01:55 PM

They said last night she had a fever of 105 degrees and was put in an ice bath in the hospital. I think this was by a medical reporter but don't know for sure. That is way past the point a traveling nurse should ahve been involved...certainly the hospital way before that temperature was reached. It is all highly sad and now even more mysterious, if this is true. mg

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Desdemona
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 02:31 PM

I agree that this is an unhappy end to a very sad story; I, too, was surprised t how saddened I was by the news of the passing of someone of whom I'd had pretty limited awareness. She seems to have been a very confused person who just wasn't getting whatever it was she needed; and who hasn't been there, if only briefly? It's easy to play the armchair psychologist and speculate about her early life, teenage marriage & divorce, the slings & arrows of public life, etc., but in the end no one really knows what's going on in someone else's most intimate experience, and I suppose that being a public figure--for whatever reason--must make it that much more difficult to form meaningful connections. It seems apparent that her various weaknesses were frequently exploited by others, and it all adds up to her dying alone in a hotel room: just sad. In the most simple human terms, having one child die within days of another's birth would be enough to send most people over the edge; it doesn't even bear thinking about. I, too, worry about what will happen to her baby now; it's hard to be optimistic, unfortunately.

~D

Subject: BS: The fathers of Anna Nichols baby
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 06:23 PM

There are easily 25 - 30 fathers of Anna's baby.

So far

Howard k Stern
Birkhead
ZZ Gabor's husband
Don Hakman
The Prince of Monaco
Hard Rock bell hop
Amos
Catspaw
The Pope

Bill Clinton
Bill O'Reilly
Bill Melater

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 06:39 PM

Within an hour before she was cold, CNN and MSNBC were debating who would get the money. I would only hope they would show the same disrespect and contempt within minutes of reporting W's or some other Bush administration member obit

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: GUEST, transient caricature
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 07:12 PM

Everybody's a dreamer, and everybody's a star
Everybody's in show biz, it doesn't matter who you are
______________

above from "Celluloid Heroes" by Ray Davies of the Kinks

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 08:31 PM

Bill-

Thanks for your correction, just in time to repair my manuscript entitled ANNA NICOLE SMITH BUYS THE FARM before I submitted it to Time-Warner. Whew!

So I'm thinking the mother is my favorite prime suspect. After all she is, or was, a deputy sheriff and should know more than a hundred ways to do people in. I don't recommend marrying her.

You can say that you thought this up on your own, but know in your heart that I beat you to it!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith - Feb 8, 2007
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 10:41 PM

Three different men now claim to be the father of her daughter. And the court won't authorize taking a DNA sample, though they're keeping her body for at least 10 days after the autopsy. Anna Nicole, meet James Brown. . . it really is sad, the fighting that will go on.

SRS

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Peace
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 10:45 PM

The woman, the mother, the person is dead. Always will be some classless AHs who have to argue over her grave, both on an off the thread.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 09:30 AM

All of which goes to prove the unfortunate point that our societies (the western ones, certainly) have become driven by the thought of money, riches, lolly, dough, lucre. She was not "famous for being famous", she became famous for marrying a rich guy. And it's consideration of those riches that keeps the media (and her camp followers) spinning in such unseemly fashion. It certainly isn't consideration of her as a person or a mother that has them going frantic.

Somewhere, other women died the same day. They were not rich or famous. Some of them probably left small children behind with no-one to look after them. And their death generated no TV soundbites or newspaper column inches. My heart goes to them as much as to Anna, and probably a touch more.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: GUEST,LilyFestre
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 09:41 AM

I've been thinking about what Joe Offer had to say about bringing up discussions and conversations. Hmmm. Does anyone really think that discussions and conversations would have come to an abrupt halt about Anna Nicole Smith if she had been given a regular obituary post like everyone else?

LQF

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 10:01 AM

Probably not entirely - after all it's people, not just the media, that are driven by interest in money. But I suspect we'd have had less than 10% of the current level of conversations.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 10:49 AM

I wonder just how petty the semantics arguments are going to get.

Anybody watch Larry King last night? Zsa Zsa Gabor's husband claimed to know who the father of her daughter is and said he'd tell if either of the two main contenders was named. He said there were '30' more possibilities. They also had the coroner who did the autopsy on - nothing conclusive, although he said there were no pills in her stomach. She'd had a 'stomach flu' for 3 days, and there was a nurse with her. May have been her bodyguard's girlfriend.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: heric
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 10:56 AM

>Anybody watch Larry King last night?<
Yeah Donuel started a thread on that last night but the thread was closed immediately and the conversation came to an abrupt halt. Shambles was spinning in his grave.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 11:13 AM

Heric, it appears Don's posts are in this thread, but he posted before Larry King aired.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 12:14 PM

Well, ain't that America- apparently nobody has anything substantive to engage their attention.

The media & the public go into a phrenzy for days- weeks- possibly months?- over this dead bimbo and Molly Ivins gets a one-line footnote.

Rock on.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 12:33 PM

Molly Ivins got a whole thread here, too. Maybe two.

~Susan

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 01:13 PM

Good for you, susan.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Alba
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 01:16 PM

Women supporting a dead woman being called a Bimbo.
How far we have come.

This fu**in thread should have been closed days ago.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 02:18 PM

I just realized the difference: There are losses that are not easy to discuss. Like that of Molly Ivins.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Peace
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 02:51 PM

"A 26-year-old prostitute was fatally wounded while she was walking Wednesday night in a West Side neighborhood.

Emmy Torres, a mother of four, was shot once in the side and died in the 1400 block of Loma Vista around 10 p.m., police said.

"We do have a bunch of people saying they heard one gunshot and possibly a car drive-off," said Sgt. Matthew Podwika of the San Antonio Police Department.

Investigators hope that someone will come forward with information that will lead them to a suspect or a motive.

"We don't understand who did it, why they did it, but we're going to find out who it was," said Mary Alice Martinez, the victim's sister-in-law.

Martinez said that Torres was walking with her ex-husband when she was shot and that it was possible that the killer may have been a "John" who might have been jealous."

I am sorry for this girl, too. But she don't rate too much in the news, does she! A poor gal selling her body to raise her kids. Not a rich prostitute--a poor one. I thought I'd post the news article here because a few of you may be the only ones who give a damn. Maybe if she'd had a thousandth of ANS's money she'd not have had to sell herself. I feel sorry for this girl. I can't really say I do about ANS.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 04:18 PM

Alba - "Women supporting a dead woman being called a Bimbo."

I think that actually says alot for women today. In the past, 'good' women would have thought that the 'bad' woman deserved it.

Today we have a better understanding of how women like Ann Nicole arrive at their place in society. She can easily be seen as a victim of Hollywood stereotypes combined with the idea that money creates happiness.

To me, her death is very sad and not much different than the untimely deaths of many women in the sex trade. Most, however, remain anonymous.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: heric
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 04:32 PM

On Google's front page right now, Obama's announcment for President gets 896 news references. Putin's speech claiming the the US wants to dominate the world gets 260 references, and Anna Nicole gets 2,440 citing references.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Peace
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 04:37 PM

How about Emmy Torres?

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 05:02 PM

She parlayed 15 minutes of fame into 30 minutes---give or take.   Interesting article today where her mother says she never grew up as this poor little tyke---middle class in Houston. But, Anna Nicole told her mother that is not a story that gets you any attention. Yes---famous for being famous.

Amazing who comes out of the woodwork---the younger husband of the 90 year old Gabor among others. What a great bunch of class acts that we all waste our time thinking about. All so that they can fight for the inheritence the daughter might get.   

Gee--Gabor should have married the old billionaire--they were the right age. I guess Anna Nicole was just in love---what a caregiver.

Now, this will probably get me a lot of criticism. Marilyn Monroe. She parlayed it into one hell of a career---and, frankly, I did not think she was that good an actor---but she sure attracted the intelligentsia as well as the athletes. For a lot longer than the famous 15 minutes of fame

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Alba
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 05:13 PM

Actually Dianavan it appears I may not have expressed my opinion well sorry for that, I did not intend to be so inarticulate...it just happens that way sometimes!.I actually think the reverse of what you are pointing out to me. So in the interest of clarity I shall attempt to make my opinion clearer. It seems to me that it is acceptable with some women that the word Bimbo is being used in relation to the dead Woman, Ms Smith.
"I think that actually says a lot for women today"
Exactly...how far we have come...or not!
Seems now that Ms Smith's "Obit Thrad" has gone from announcing her death to a general opinion that she was nothing more than a Bimbo that performed sexual acts with men for payment and was famous for doing so rather than being one of the many anon Women and Men that work in the Industry that never gain fame or fortune!! Wild huh!
As I said earlier..this f***in thread should have been closed days ago imo Oh and the title is still in very poor taste, no question of that, but even though many said it was in poor taste..it remains the same. Yip that says a lot about about a lot, again IMO

Off to the Music section for some fresh air..

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 08:18 PM

Yeah, thanks, Alba. I get the point.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Alba
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 09:13 PM

You're welcome Dianavan.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 12:22 AM

why so upset

It has gone far beyond the Warhol adage of 15 minutes of fame because today one can be famous for merely being famous.
In Anna's case however she cornered the market on naked sexuality AND big huge MONEY. money and sex seems to strike a cultural chord no matter what you are selling. She sold them both, with a little help from lawyers, Hugh Hefner, Conald Trump etc. and even the Supream Court.

$EX$EX$EX$EX$EX$EX$EX$EX$EX you don't have to worship it but by God it sells and always will.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Wordsmith
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 02:27 AM

I agree with Charley Noble that there are too many bodies and unexplained deaths. Now, to add to the mixture, Zsa Zsa Gabor's husband now claims he's the father of ANS's daughter. I'm not making this up. He claims he's been having an affair with her on the side. Wonder how Gabor feels about all this. Hope he fled to a hotel, because we all know what she did to the cop who tried to write her a ticket in Hollywood...or was that Beverly Hills?

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 06:20 PM

Great. Now we've got two bimbo threads going 'scuse me, threads going on this inconsequentiality.

Go to http://news.google.com- search for 'woman dies' and you'll get these ten deaths:

Woman Dies After Driving Car Into Ice - WTKR
Hialeah woman dies after car plunges into canal off Alligator Alley
Woman Dies Attempting To Douse Flames- A 20-year-old S. Philadelphia
Elderly woman dies in house fire- Limerick Post, Ireland
Socorro Woman Dies After Being Hit by Trucks-KDBC, TX
Woman dies after jump off overpass Orange County Register, CA
Woman dies in wall collapse -Newindpress India
Married woman dies under mysterious circumstances PunjabNewsline
Trapped By Flames, Aurora Woman Dies
Woman dies after cancer blunder stv.tv, UK

plus 4,524 more.

Why is the bimbo er,the spoiled brat? er, Ms. Smith any different?

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 07:47 PM

2 Threads---gee---the 15 minutes of fame is now times 2---so 30 minutes.

Still cannot believe her case got to the Supreme Court---and they won't hear important cases. That must show us something about our society and our court.

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 07:53 PM

So if her story is so insignifcant, why is everyone spending their time talking about it? Seems like some people spent more than 15 minutes to write down their thoughts. I guess it does say something about people.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 08:30 PM

this f***in thread should have been closed days ago imo Oh and the title is still in very poor taste, no question of that, but even though many said it was in poor taste..it remains the same

Ya know, you're absolutely right. Its totally outrageous. Someone should change it IMMEDIATELY! to "Anna Nicole Smith Shits The Bed"

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Alba
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 10:30 PM

Fuck it, why waste time Greg drop Joe a pm IMMEDIATELY and ask him to change the Thread title.
Seems a reasonable enough request to me. He can only say no, so what have you got to lose.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Peace
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 11:04 PM

If there's an afterlife, or truth to reincarnation, maybe she's just renting the farm. That would solve lots of strife on this thread. I notice though that Emmy Torres has had no sympathy tossed her way.

Is it always about power? Being right? Being the one who wins? Because both girls are still dead, and bugger all here is gonna change that.

Night all.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith - Feb.8, 2007
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 11:47 PM

Link to NPR's coverage of Anna Nicole Smith.

May 1, 2006 · The Supreme Court rules that one-time stripper and Playboy Playmate Anna Nicole Smith can pursue part of her late husband's oil fortune. Justices unanimously gave new legal life to Smith's bid to collect millions of dollars from the estate of J. Howard Marshall II.

Smith married Marshall, an oil tycoon, in 1994 -- she was 26, he was 89. His estate has been estimated to be worth as much as $1.6 billion. Marshall says he'll continue a court battle for his father's entire estate."

February 28, 2006 · The Supreme Court justices seem sympathetic to actress Anna Nicole Smith as they hear arguments in her case to claim part of her late billionaire husband's estate. The question is whether federal courts have a role in probate issues, which traditionally are in the control of the states.

Listen in particular to what Nina Totenberg says here (the Feb 28 story, if the link doesn't go through).

The son and the attorneys were playing fast and loose with the father's instructions and Smith's trust. It was a real case and I'm sure it will be held up as an example for those who have this kind of money who might be considering how to cheat to keep it as far as what courts do what jobs.

I suppose someone could start a separate thread to contemplate what goes into the making of a Bimbo. Being a beautiful woman in the wrong place at the wrong time has to start it out. Ending up posing in Playboy at least offers a payoff. Somewhere in the middle is usually disgrace, sometimes a trial (or impeachment), and general open season on the woman involved. Consider Jessica Hahn (Jim Bakker), Fawn Hall (Oliver North), Donna Rice (Gary Hart), Linda Medlar (Henry Cisneros--she's the one here who doesn't completely fit the pattern, she was rather nondescript from the reports I read), Monica Lewinsky (Bill Clinton). The one I can't seem to put on this list is Blaze Starr (Earl Long), because she was living large already. The others didn't seek it, it found them. And I think Anna Nicole is in Starr's category. She was already living large, but she was trying to play fair as far as the estate was concerned. Starr refused a $50,000 bequest from Long after he died.

SRS

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Wordsmith
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 12:42 AM

I thought I'd posted past this point, but guess it didn't take. I, too, am intrigued by all of the mysterious deaths surrounding Anna Nicole Smith. Now, to add to the mix, Zsa Zsa Gabor's husband claims he may be the baby's father...I swear I am not making this up. He may have a death wish...we all know what happened to the cop who tried to ticket her...was it in Beverly Hills? On the other hand, maybe she's run him out of money?

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 12:46 AM

Jaysus, Wordsmith, I'm having deja vu all over again because I read that post before now. You'd said the ticket incident was in either Hollywood or Beverly Hills. It was in Beverly Hills, BTW. (I used Mr Google to check.)

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:00 AM

As far as Mr. Gabor, I suspect that his royal behindness has an elderly wife whose property is entailed to her children. Maybe he is looking for the next feathered nest.

The news this evening tells more drama, at her home in the Bahamas. The ABC story is under "entertainment," not some of the other possible headings. Adding insult to injury, it appears that the housekeeper has made off with some pricey objects d'art and equipment.

NASSAU, Bahamas Feb 12, 2007 (AP)— Anna Nicole Smith's 5-month-old daughter and the baby's purported father have reclaimed the Bahamas mansion where they lived before the former Playboy Playmate died last week, Smith's lawyer said.

Not only is the paternity of Smith's baby who could inherit a fortune from Smith's late husband in dispute, but so is the Bahamas mansion where Smith had been living.

Smith, who died in Florida on Thursday, had claimed that a U.S. developer and former boyfriend, G. Ben Thompson, gave her the house. But Thompson said he had only loaned it to Smith and on Friday had the locks changed.

Smith's lawyer and companion, Howard K. Stern one of three men who claims to be the baby's father had the locks changed again and on Sunday was once again at the gated waterfront estate, known as "Horizons."

The baby girl, Dannielynn Hope Marshall Stern, was also there, attorney Wayne Munroe told The Associated Press. An AP Television News reporter saw Stern's mother enter the white house, as well. Another AP reporter saw Smith's mother, Vergie Arthur, at the gates, but she did not go inside.

Munroe said he has filed a robbery complaint with police over computer equipment, drawings and paintings allegedly taken from the home, and authorities interviewed the housekeeper. Police said Sunday they are investigating.

Munroe said the house now belongs to Stern, Smith's companion.

"Right now, Howard is very happy to be reunited with Dannielynn but extremely angry that somebody had the gall to break into Anna's residence," Stern's spokesman, Ron Rale, said Sunday by telephone from Los Angeles.

Smith's ownership of the mansion was the basis of her claim to residency in the Bahamas. In a lawsuit, Smith asked a court to recognize her as the owner and reject Thompson's claim on the house in the exclusive neighborhood. The island chain's Supreme Court has scheduled a Feb. 26 hearing on the matter, Munroe said.

Munroe said the process of authenticating Smith's will could take from a year to 18 months and he declined to name the executor. He said he has not been advised of funeral plans, but that he expected Smith would be buried in the Bahamas alongside Daniel Smith, her 20-year-old son who died here in September.

[snip]

For the rest, follow the link.

SRS

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: heric
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 02:01 AM

yeah it's up a bit at 2:27 a.m.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: GUEST,ib48
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 11:41 AM

I thought she was in a film about a farm,wasnt she?

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 12:01 PM

Guest/ib48, are you thinking of Green Acres? That was Zsa Zsa's sister, Eva.

Eva Gabor died a few years ago. ZZ is 90 now and not in good health. I understand she still has plenty of money- her 67-year old husband does not. They've been married something like 20 years, the longest of Zsa Zsa's eight marriages.

AN Smith evidently had a shortlived television show some time in the last couple of years. I don't know what it was about.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 12:43 AM

"Reality."

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 02:29 AM

Reality? Whoa.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: frogprince
Date: 13 Feb 07 - 04:39 PM

Believe me, I saw just a few minutes of that show, and if that was reality, I'll take illusion any day.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: Wordsmith
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 02:26 AM

Sorry I double-posted, Peace. It's taking me a little time to get used to this text-based system...not that I'm complaining. I admit, also, that sometimes I get my facts mixed up. I've been booted out of blogs, even here, fact-checking, so I don't do it all the time. I used to be quite *n*l about that sort of thing, when I was working. I'm retired now...not that that's an excuse.
I wanted to correct something I may have posted before. It regards the Bahamian minister of immigration who now is under investigation for his possible fast-tracking of Anna Nicole Smith. He's the one in bed with her in those pictures that were stolen before HK Stern rechanged the locks and got into to the house whose ownership is in question there. I think I said the minister was Jamaican. He's from Nassau.

Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm
From: GUEST,ETR
Date: 15 Feb 07 - 02:12 AM

BUST TO DUST