BS: Celebrate Darwin Day

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 05:48 PM

Darwin's papers get Internet launch

First draft of 'On The Origin Of Species' published on Web

By Jeremy Lovell
Reuters
updated 6:44 p.m. CT, Wed., April. 16, 2008

LONDON - The first draft of Charles Darwin's "On The Origin Of Species" is among a wealth of papers belonging to the intensely private man who changed science being published on the Internet on Thursday for the first time.

Comprising some 20,000 items and 90,000 images, the release on http://darwin-online.org.uk is the largest in history, according to the organizers from Cambridge University Library which holds all the Darwin papers.

"This release makes his private papers, mountains of notes, experiments, and research behind his world-changing publications available to the world for free," said John van Wyhe, director of the project.

"His publications have always been available in the public sphere — but these papers have until now only been accessible to scholars."
The collection includes thousands of notes and drafts of his scientific writings, notes from the voyage of the Beagle when he began to formulate his controversial theory of evolution, and his first recorded doubts about the permanence of species.

It also contains photographs of Darwin and his family, newspaper clippings, reviews of his books and much more.

Giving a more personal insight, there is also his wife Emma's cookbook including recipes for delicacies such as "Ilkley pudding" and a rudimentary recipe for boiling rice, written by Darwin himself.

Other papers include caricatures and notes with his boyhood musings on birds.

/quote

A little more at the article.
I haven't attempted to get into the site.

John

John

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Amos
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 06:39 PM

Well worth reading is this list of twenty-four widespread misconceptions about evolution.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Feb 07 - 08:44 AM

oooo Rowan, don't shrink us all like that so quick again...

"So, feel free to Google Darwin, but you might have to add "Australia" to your search terms"

We get served 'google.com.au' here in Oz - we can just click on the bit that says 'Australian web sites only' - btw we get steered from 'google.com' automatically, so no one outside .au might be able to get that page.

However you can go to the advanced search page and put .au in the 'search only this domain' box.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Rowan
Date: 23 Feb 07 - 08:21 PM

Oops!
"Adelaide River (where the WWII War Cemetery is located) is on the Stuart Highway about 90 miles south of Darwin and thus more than 300km north of Adelaide in South Australia."

I should have written "more than 3000km north of Adelaide".

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Rowan
Date: 23 Feb 07 - 12:40 AM

Liz, your "checking for Googlable in an atlas!" is lovely.

I must confess I was writing to an agenda, though. Reading in New Scientist I found out that Google is 'leaning' on people who use "Google" as a verb; apparently the lawyers are acting this way in an attempt to avoid diluting the value of the brand.

So, feel free to Google Darwin, but you might have to add "Australia" to your search terms if you want to find anything about the bombing there in February 1942. That's a trouble that comes with being a derivative society. Adelaide River (where the WWII War Cemetery is located) is on the Stuart Highway about 90 miles south of Darwin and thus more than 300km north of Adelaide in South Australia. And the Alligator River Region (near Kakadu) east of Darwin is named after HMS Alligator, which paid the area a visit in the 1800s, confusing hell out of tourists who don't immediately understand there are only crocodiles in Australia (lots of them in the Alligator River) and no alligators at all.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 01:27 PM

appropriate nonetheless

And similarly appropriated

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 04:21 AM

I merely requoted what one of our GUESTs had quoted above...

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 03:51 AM

"When you already KNOW everythihg, why bother with troublesome 'facts'.."

Indeed ...

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 03:45 AM

It doesn't say that here

or here

or here

hmmmm


Thanks for the ... er ... evidence

It's funny what people will believe without first being subjected to the rigours of scientific scrutiny ... erm ...

...don't you think? ...

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 03:38 AM

Maybe it means "this is the world - like it or not"

Can we have the quote in context, or are we to be subjected to reverse fundamentalism?

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 03:27 AM

Do they mean World as in planet, because we know that rotates.. or world as in earth, because that moves quite a lot, and sometimes fairly rapidly.

Hasn't moved for me for a while.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 10:20 PM

"Psalm 19:4 says "..the world also is stablished that it cannot be moved.." "

When you already KNOW everythihg, why bother with troublesome 'facts'..

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: GUEST,GOD
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 01:11 PM

PS - Darwin (who sits at my table in recognition of his massive contributiion to Humankind) says hello.

A funny story, - When he arrived at the gates he wasn't sure whether he'd get in or not.

St Peter told him not to worry - he was a natural selection!

I'll get my coat ...



(lox)

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Grab
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 12:26 PM

Quote from TheRegister...

York Psychic Museum has shut due to unforeseen circumstances, the York Press reports.

Astrologer Jonathan Cainer, who opened the museum in 2003, admitted that he'd been welcoming just 100 people a week through the doors, and had accordingly decided to temporarily hang up his crystal ball.

Cainer reckons he'll be back in business by 2008, but cautioned: "If you are asking me for predictions when exactly it will open up again, then it is hard to say. Although I'm in the prediction business, I don't believe you can make predictions about things you are close to."

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 10:00 AM

Despite all th ebrouhaha about evolution versus the Old Testament, the fact is that Darwin's theory of evolution has nothing to do with religion. Ithas nothing to do with Jesus or God or the Virgin Jill, Harvey the Sacred Rabbit or Vishna, either. It has to do only with one thign --a human effort to decode the really remarkable phenomenon of our small puddle of life and how it happens to exist in a comparably barren terrain that extends of millions of light years in all directions.

It is a really good start to the effort. I think sometimes it is a 8-bit algorithm trying to crack a 64 bit code, but it is a helluva good start.

For one thing it forms up nicely against the much later theory of complex systems and how they emerge from simople rules and multiple transactions.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: GUEST,Autodidact
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 09:32 AM

Don't think that Christians only oppose evolution. Astronomy also denies the word of the Bible.
http://fixedearth.com/
Galileo was apparently part of the Jewish kabbalist conspiracy. Psalm 19:4 says "..the world also is stablished that it cannot be moved.."

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 04:23 AM

Rowan - knowing the strangeness of some Australian towns, I came *_* this close to checking for Googlable in an atlas!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: GUEST,GOD
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 04:03 AM

I wish the fundamentalists would give me a bit more credit.

They seem to believe I wouldn't have the imagination to create a complicated and interesting universe and that the best I could come up with is some childrens fairytale.

Couldn't they think for a moment that an omnipresent omnipotent God might be so amazing that the universe he created would be an ever intriguing object of scientific study?

And I spent ages coming up with some beautiful and ingenious metaphors to help people make sense of their lives when I wrote the bible. Isn't it obvious that that's what those stories are?

Don't they want me to be interesting? What do they take me for?

I need some more respect man!

I mean ... creationism ... come on.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 10:50 PM

I went to see "Flock of Dodos" on Darwin Day. I'd highly recommend it.

~ Becky in Tucson
(full disclosure: staff member of the University of Arizona Department of Ecology & Evolutionary Biology)

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Rowan
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 05:12 PM

Able, if you ever get to Oz and Darwin, the northernmost 100 miles of the Stuart Highway (connecting Darwin with the rest of Oz) will give you some idea of the extent of OS involvement in that part of the world during WWII. Alongside the highway and only half a mile at most (usually only 200 metres) west of it there are airstrips every couple of miles. Many still have the Unit details and insignia of the groups that used them.

Worth seeing.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: GUEST,DocJ
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 05:03 PM

Don't forget 15th February - Galileo Day - one of the first scientists to be persecuted by the Christian Church for his work. Not that the Christian Church's beliefs in this had anything at all to do with Christianity; bizzarly they just followed dogmatically the unscientific nonsense of those prechristian Greeks.
DocJ

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Rowan
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 05:02 PM

Able, I'm not sure what you've already tried and I've not searched out any 'particular' info. Like many whose families lived through it, you pick up lots of family gossip and the annual repetitions of info as commentary to the Anzac Day marches means that you accumulate a spread of info over the years. I expect Canadians were like Australians, serving in almost every theatre going, thus requiring specialist search routines to find out what particular units were doing.

The Australian War Memorial (in Canberra and Googlable) keeps the national archives of what Australians did and also assists in tracking down information from Unit Diaries. It may be able to help you with info about Units from overseas who served in Australia. I don't know if Canada has an equivalent institution but I'd be very surprised if it didn't.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: able
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 03:08 AM

I came to this thread thinking it was for Darwin Australia as well, my interest stems from my dad being stationed at Darwin during ww2. His unit was 1st Canadian Signals, I have looked at Oz at war, but everything seems to be like the handouts I already have. Can anyone give me more than this?

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Rowan
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 09:35 PM

Good try Foolestroupe. it only took two mentions before the penny dropped.

Knowing my father had been in Darwin during WWII I asked him what unit he'd been in.
"None" he replied.
"Everyone in the army is in some unit or another," I protested.
"I was one of three surveyors attached to Colonel XXXX's personal staff. We'd go on surveying jobs." He went on to explain that they "borrowed" some American theodolites as they, unlike the British ones issued, gave 'erect' images; they were peeved they had to return them.
"So," I said. "If I were to ask you 'What important thing did you do in the war, Dad?' what would you say?"
He thought about this and then said "I laid out the sewerage system for Darwin after the bombing."

"Well," I replied, "It was probably the only thing in Darwin that survived Cyclone Tracy untouched."

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: MaineDog
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 08:15 PM

Although the annual Darwin Awards competition obviously leads to improvement in the human race, I don't believe that a new species will ultimatelly result from the process.
MD

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 08:06 PM

One American Destroyer on the first day.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 07:56 PM

Yup. They sank a lot of allied ships in that harbour.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 07:51 PM

When Darwin was bombed - about 180 Jap planes took part - and more bombs were dropped on the first day's attack than were dropped on Pearl Harbour.

The bombing continued for about 21 months.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 04:36 PM

As I mentioned to some Alaskan Fundamentalists who put me up in Eagle, Darwin is my "Saint Chuck".

Really appreciate the quotes by Wolfgang which say it all.

About religion, the best definition of it is my father's:

Religion is the awe in which we hold our ignorance.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 04:35 PM

That's smart. It'll keep the phonies and frauds from finding it.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Peace
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 04:29 PM

The International Psychics are holding their every-other-year convention this year, but they're not telling anyone where it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Cruiser
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 03:44 PM

From John's link:

"The extrasensory perception lab at Princeton University will be shuttered at the end of the month. *Maybe you already knew that*.

The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research laboratory will close after 28 years of studying ESP and telekinesis, research that embarrassed university officials and outraged the scientific community."

I added the ** to highlight the sentence above.

I thought it was an obvious waste of money. However, with the current TV shows regarding "palm readers", "mediums" and people able to see spirits in the "other world" that have "crossed over", some people will be upset.

But they should have predicted it, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 10:22 AM

Doris's smarter nephew - que sera...

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 09:35 AM

Celebrate this day by abandoning superstition, belief in invisible friends, and other dehumanizing nonsense. Understand that the fact of evolution and its primary mechanism, natural selection, doesn't disprove the existence of deity, it just renders the concept completely unnecessary.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Feb 07 - 03:19 AM


Prediction: Princeton ESP lab to close

...seems somewhat relevant to the fairies in the garden?

John

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Peace
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 06:49 PM

Keriste, Bobad, I had a cocker spaniel who'd been dead for twelve years. I dug her up and she was more evolved than Stockwell.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: bobad
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 06:37 PM

"Who is Darwin Day"

Stockwell's more evolved brother?

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 06:34 PM

Yes, Crazyhorse, you are quite right that a lot of people in the USA act religious in public because they have to. This is specially true of the politicians.

It's not that way at all in Canada or in most of Europe either from what I hear. It is that way in Iran.

Ironical, isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Peace
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 06:30 PM

Who is Darwin Day and why are we celebrating him?

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 06:08 PM

And here I thought someone was alerting us to the time when Darwin got bombed.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 04:19 PM

Well there is no doubt about the roman catholic church is there. They don't deny it. What was the list of forbidden books all about.

I guess many catholics are not anti-science but alot of people, especially in the states, are religious in public because they have to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 04:08 PM

I don't know. I guess it depends on which particular church and which people in that church you are talking about, doesn't it? I regard mainstream Catholic doctrine as being anti-scientific in a number of respects, but I've met any number of individual Catholics who are not anti-scientific, so I don't think they're all buying it by any means.

Do you think that everything you believe at a deep level is totally rational?

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 04:03 PM

LH, do you deny that the christian church is anti-science?

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 04:02 PM

There are many people of faith who's power of reasoning is formidable - except when it comes to their religion when all of a sudden the norms of inquiry are thrown out of the window.

"There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

Dawkins

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 04:01 PM

There's no armour like ignorance.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 03:50 PM

To think that intelligent people cannot span both faith AND reason is itself a sign of limited thinking.

(I'm saying that simply, in straight type because there isn't an HTML code I know for the size type it would take to represent it better. Thus I choose understatement, for emphasis.)

If human life is that limited, might as well take out either everyone's left brain, or their right brain. Or take out either the eyes, or the nose. Or say, "You may have fingers to turn pages, but no toes to feel warm sand when you walk."

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Peace
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 03:46 PM

Is this the exodus part of the thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 03:43 PM

You're right, I don't. But any of them that are supernatural (all of them?) are anti-rational, certainly any type of christianity is anti-science and anti-rational, it's well enough documented as I'm sure you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 03:39 PM

You just don't know them very well.

Subject: RE: BS: Celebrate Darwin Day
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 11 Feb 07 - 03:27 PM

No, actually pretty much the whole lot.