BS: How shall we use the first time machine

Subject: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 09:39 PM

Like a twist on the genie's 3 wishes, how should we use the first time machine.

Here's the rub, some theorize that the time machine can never go to a time before its creation. Others say that it may be possible to go back father than first thought.
So lets assume that going backwards will work as well as going forwards but it can only be used 3 times.

I am blocked and can not come up with 3 meaningful or even funny missions.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 09:44 PM

3 times only? *tsk*...

I'd say go back and clear up a few things about certain religious beliefs, but I doubt that it would make any difference if we got VIDEO of the truth in detail....folks would just claim it was faked- one way or the other.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 09:55 PM

Hey you may be on to something. Go back and get Jesus take him to Mohammed and then take both of them to see Bhudda.


Yeah the 3 times only thing gets in the way but the time machine probably has a windows operating system.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 10:01 PM

Are those three round trips? Or one way? Or like one trip with three stops: there, there, and back.

There's a lot I'd like to know besides the Big Things. Stuff like Amy Robsart and Jack the Ripper and Spring-Heeled Jack and Christopher Marlowe's death and was Mary REALLY behind the explosion that killed her husband and was Seward part of a plot to bump off Lincoln and what REALLY happened that day in Dallas and who killed Hitler's niece and that's just touching on the past.

As for the future, if there is one....

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 10:03 PM

Exactly, Bill. That's what they do with all the UFO videos... ;-)

Definitely, I would go back and see Jesus, and Buddha. For number three....I think I'd take a look at the fairly near future so I could see what's going to happen in the 21st century.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 10:14 PM

(I suppose ONE trip ahead to see the stock exchange results for a year might be interesting)

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 10:45 PM

On the vengeful side I would like to send the global warming denyers to 3000 AD
Send the holocaust denyers to Treblinka at its worst.
And send George Bush to Baghdad today (without a time machine)

Yeah round trips sound fine, except for George.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 10:57 PM

Rapaire, what I learned of Seward's injuries as well as those of his son on that fateful night were horrendous. Then his wife died soon after. That new Lincoln book by that Boston lady is great.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 11:18 PM

Go back to when they were building the Lloyds Building in London and tell them they've got the plans inside out.

Go back to when they were building the British Library with a decent architect who has some taste and doesn't just want to make a name for themselves.

Go back to Bosworth Field and give Henry Tudor a good thrashing.

But then, I'm weird.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bert
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 11:59 PM

...On the vengeful side I would like to send the global warming denyers to 3000 AD...

Yes Donuel, then I'd take them back to 1950 and give them the task of telling everybody what they saw and make them believe it.

Or better than that Squeaks, go back to 1066 and tell Harold NOT to chase them down the hill.

Then I'd go back and meet Tree when she was about nineteen.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 02:36 AM

We already have a time machine of sorts....think of your car /van/wagon in a new light. Get in it at one time..spend however long in it and get out at a different place (or the same one if you so chose) at a different time.
How much of your journey actually sinks in? Can you always remember your travelling time or does it become lost in 'second nature' driving?

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: gnu
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 04:42 AM

I (will) have $100,000 to pay to go back to December 31, 1985 at 11:45 AM in Family Court Chamber A. I only need to be there a few seconds.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST,Bainbo at work
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:05 AM

I'm not sure that getting Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed together would make much difference. They only ever had the same basic message anyway: "We're all in this together, so we'd better all get on with one another." So I can't see that having them say it together, rather than individually, would change the way fundamentalists have interpreted it.

Well, I don't think there are any Bhuddist fundamentalists, but you know what I mean.

My three journeys back in time would be:
*Make sure the plot to assassinate Hitler was better equipped and informed;
*Petition the League of Nations not to let Britain force warring tribes to live under one rule, in the artificially constructed Iraq;
*Buy some shares in Microsoft.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:41 AM

Shoot the prophet mohammed before he has a chance to spread his poison.
Shoot Karl Marx for the same reason.
Make sure Adolf Hitler has a fatal accident on the way to school.
There you go. The world is a better place already.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Crane Driver
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:45 AM

We would probably have to use the first trip to go forward in time, to find out how to make a time machine . . .

Andrew

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST, Grimmy
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 06:50 AM

I'm not sure that getting Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed together would be a good idea - they'd probably end up fighting.

I'd go back to 1 second before the Big Bang - what a show!

I'd also quite like to see myself being born, though I'm slightly worried about why I want to do that.

Then I'd go forward to day the world ends - man, what a party!

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: *daylia*
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 07:04 AM

Go back and get Jesus take him to Mohammed and then take both of them to see Bhudda.

How would you feel if you went to all that trouble only to discover "They" are really One and The Same?

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: jacqui.c
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 07:41 AM

Problem is, goimg back in time and changing things would result in a totally different world to the one we have today and it might not be a change for the better.

Most of the unpleasantness that has been wreaked on the world has been as a result of human nature. Get rid of one oppressor and another is likely to come up in their place - most of them are the result of the conditions of their time. No Hitler? One of his gang would have filled the gap, most likely. Possibly that person might have made a better job of it and that could have led to the 3rd Reich truly coming into existence.

Personally, I have no desire to know what will happen in the future and am finding it hard to come up with anything that I would really want to go and see in the past. Maybe with some thought...

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 08:08 AM

I want to observe, not change. Well, maybe have W denied admission to the Texas Air Guard so that he'd be drafted instead....

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 10:42 AM

1. Go forward a few weeks
2. Get a newspaper with stock quotes
3. Bring it back
4. Make a fortune
5. Build lots more time machines, each of which has only 3 trips...

Then we can do everything.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 10:45 AM

I would like to know who killed the Princes in the Tower, Who Built Stonehenge and how. I would really like to spend a day with Virginia Woolf.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 10:50 AM

"Who Built Stonehenge and how"

Might well take several lifetimes, or multiple trips...

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Scrump
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 11:57 AM

1. Go forward a week to get next week's lottery results.

2. Come back a day, buy a lottery ticket with the winning numbers. Wait for the result and claim you winnings.

3. Go back to the 1960s, and you will be able to live a life of luxury. You could also write a few hit songs before the Beatles think of them, and have a bit of fun taking them to court for plagiarism.

(OK, not entirely original, but I can't think of a better way to use it!)

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:12 PM

How shall we use the first time machine

Haven't read the whole thread-- mea culpa-- but first thought?

To fight over it and how to use it, while it rusts and blows away of course! Fight over "who is 'we'?" and go from there!

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Grimmy
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:19 PM

Scrump, beware! Make sure the money is legal tender. If you're in the UK you'll end up in the pre-decimalisation 60's with a wad of useless cash.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Mooh
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:24 PM

First...before my last beer, over 5 years ago.

Second...before white man came and soiled the Americas, the fishing would be fantastic.

Third...the first Christmas and various times in the life of Christ.

Fourth...to fast forward through evolution and see it all.

Etc...to watch great tribal chiefs from all over the world, look over the shoulder of great artists, listen to great composers at work...

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:28 PM

I would think that a trip to the Library at Alexandria, before it was burned, with some method to copy all the works that we know have been lost ( by the references in later/other works)would be of some use.

How about going back and bringing forward a number of dodo eggs?

One has to wonder what they taste like...

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:33 PM

oh, sort of between Great Auk eggs and Passenger Pigeon eggs.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Wolfgang
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:33 PM

Jesus would be very tough for a time machine. Going back to when? 33 AD? 27 AD? You see the problem?

And then, even with a year's stay in Palestine, how would you find out who of the many preachers of that time you meet during that year would later be remembered by some as the Messias?

Would you recognise any of the events described in the NT? Modern research thinks that most of the wonder stories in the NT are later embellishments. Would a sermon on a mountain have any similarity with the report about it that is close enough for the visitor to be sure that that it is actually the event told in the NT?

The narratives about the same event in Jesus' life are so different in detail that the historic truth may be far from any of the narratives.

I'd love to go back to Jesus but I'd expect to meet a simple preacher with a lot of charisma and personal warmth but a bit too irrational for my taste.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:38 PM

Bill, I was actually thinking of the dodo itself- they were wiped out by a combination of sailors eating the adults, and man-introduced animals ( dogs? pigs?) eating their eggs.

But then, we COULD clone them ( and passanger pigeons): We have a number of skin fragments and feathers.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:39 PM

I read the title as 'How shall we use First Time machine', and was thinking what on earth is a first time machine....


But seriously. I'd go to the future, and borrow some genetic engineering techniques to make people live for several hundred years, and to dramatically lower the birth rate, and drop that into the population at the end of the last Glacial. People might be less inclined to make such a mess of things if they were going to be stuck with them for a few centuries.

Then I'd find a passing god or planetary engineer, and have them remove an area roughly bounded by the Causacus Mountains, Black sea, Zagros mountain and the Sinai. Not destroy the Middle east, just ensure it never existed in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:46 PM

If it's your 'first time' and you must resort to a machine, even with two perfectly good hands, you are in sorrier shape than I thought!!!!!

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:52 PM

Use the time machine to go observe the Aliens who in the future observe the Earth and its cultures.

Use the machine to sedate and then give a vasectomy to airman GHW Bush.

Use the time machine to do the same to Grandpa bin Laden.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 01:40 PM

"Not destroy the Middle east, just ensure it never existed in the first place. " Bunnahabhain

Nothing personal, B, but right there is the crux of this world's problem. If we didn't have the situation in the Middle East, there is little doubt but that we'd create and exacerbate difficulties in another area of the world.

As for me and a time machine- what I would do would all depend on whether I could take along my current consciousness.

There wouldn't be much point in visiting America's Old West or Jesus's time in the Middle East or Greece or Rome in all their glory if I were only one among many women who were oppressed or enslaved or otherwise powerless.

But I sure would like to know if - and where and when - I have lived before...

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 02:19 PM

My preferred way of visiting past or future situations would be as a disembodied spirit, not as a physical person. A spirit can observe what's happening without getting physically involved in the situation, and I think that would be the wise way to go if it could be arranged.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 03:58 PM

I would advise you to go as a mouse LH, but if somebody trapped you, you might blame me. And with you having a time machine, you might land on my front stoop.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 04:40 PM

I don't think going as a mouse is such a great idea. They are one of nature's most popular fast food items.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: John Hardly
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 04:55 PM

I would find a cave that nobody had been in for over 75 years. Then I would go back to 1937-39 and beg, borrow, steal every D28 and J-45 I can lay my hands on and put them in that cave for safe-keeping until I can come back the present to retrieve them all.

Ditto the 1920s and Lloyd Loar mandolins.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: John Hardly
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:00 PM

I'd go back in time to give teenage me guitar lessons.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:49 PM

"Then I would go back to 1937-39 and beg, borrow, steal every D28 and J-45 I can lay my hands on and put them in that cave for safe-keeping until I can come back the present to retrieve them all.

Ditto the 1920s and Lloyd Loar mandolins."

(Nothing at all greedy about you, JH. :) Just think: That dampness in that cave has been saturating those instruments all these years... Poor guy.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: bobad
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 06:18 PM

"My preferred way of visiting past or future situations would be as a disembodied spirit, not as a physical person."

What, you don't do astral travelling? I'm shocked!

Get you to this site http://www.psychics.co.uk/astraltravel/ and get disembodied and don't forget to pack your toothbrush.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 06:52 PM

Well, I'm sure I do astral travel sometimes while dreaming...the trouble is I'm not aware that I'm dreaming while it's happening, so it usually results in pretty mundane stuff or else stuff that I don't remember afterwards. I need to figure out how to astral travel in a controlled manner while awake. I hear it's not an easy thing to master.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: The Walrus
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 08:22 PM

One quick question:

To all those who wish to visit the Holy Land in the New Testament period - How's your Aramaic? (also add Hebrew, Latin and Greek etc as required).

W

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 09:17 PM

Well, I tried it and ended up here. It's better than where I came from but it's not quite what was advertised on screen.

No, I don't have the option of going back even if I had the guts to do it. And if I did get back there is no certainty it would be the same place.

Whatever!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Bee
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 09:42 PM

Good Lord, Charley - you haven't fathered or grandfathered yerself, have you? That could lead you into an awful loop.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: leeneia
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 12:05 AM

I would like to go back in time and see the dinosaurs.

Recently I passed a modest house with a huge tree in its front yard, a tree perhaps 50 feet high and beautifully shaped. I wonder if, in the distant future, the big trees will all be gone and people will marvel that a plant could have been that big.

It makes me appreciate trees more.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: fat B****rd
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:46 AM

I'd tell Lord Cardigan "WRONG VALLEY !!"
I'd watch John L. Sullivan fight Jake Kilrain
I'd have 11 year old Charlie Stenger start to do much better atschool.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Scrump
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 09:43 AM

Scrump, beware! Make sure the money is legal tender. If you're in the UK you'll end up in the pre-decimalisation 60's with a wad of useless cash.

Good point - better change it all into gold. Might weigh a bit though...

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 09:56 AM

I'd like to see if Velikovsky was right and if a planet did destroy Mars with such a close near miss that oceans were pulled into space and the difference in electrical charge sent a cosmicly huge lightning bolt across the equator of Mars leaving an explosively 17 mile deep and 3100 mile long scar we now call the Mars rift valley.

Imagine the oceans turning to ice and illuminated by the hot lightning bolt as they are pulled into space. Imagine the theorized planet Oberon that whose orbit was just beyond Mars being totally destroyed and is now a ring of asteroid belt debris.

That would be a nearby show worth watching.

Subject: RE: BS: How shall we use the first time machine
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 10:06 AM

The other hypothesis for the scar on Mars is that it is plate techtonics that never moved...
http://www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/Mars/MarsThePlanet/MarsRiftValley.html