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BS: What are you, really? (really)

01 Apr 01 - 05:55 PM (#430798)
Subject: What are you, really? (really)
From: CarolC

Subject: What are you, really?

From: Bartholomew

Date: 28-Mar-01 - 09:52 AM

Everyone wears many hats in life. Some you take on, some are placed upon you. Very few of us get to fill the role in life which we consider to be our own.

Many of us would prefer a life centered around the music; that's why we come here to the Mudcat. I would be willing to wager that very few of us actually work as musicians, composers, conductors, recording engineers or any of the myriad professions connected with music in this age.

So my question is simple: Regardless of what you do for a living, in your heart of hearts, what do you consider yourself to be?

I am a musician and philosopher (note that I didn't say you had to be good at the thing you consider yourself to be). I pay my way as a software trainer, but my passion lies in exploring how the world works, through music. When faced with a serious life choice, everything else must allow for that.

There, I have confessed. I will never be as committed to software training as I am to the music. Now it's your turn.

What are you, really?

Part One


01 Apr 01 - 05:56 PM (#430800)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: CarolC

Extruded, not stamped.


01 Apr 01 - 06:07 PM (#430814)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Greyeyes

Tired and emotional - goodnight.


01 Apr 01 - 06:09 PM (#430815)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Uncle_DaveO

Besides being, as reported in the previous thread, "A gentleman and a scholar--and a lover", I am a court reporter. That is, I'm a high-speed machine-shorthand writer. I worked for the US District Court for the Southern District of Indiana for 36 years. The idea was to write down everything that was said, and when necessary produce verbatim transcript.

I'm semiretired now, and work on a freelance basis, taking depositions, state regulatory hearings, board of directors' meetings, labor negotiations, and you name it.

This is highly specialized work. Of one hundred students who start school to be a court reporter, maybe three--that's right, three--will actually become a working court reporter. About a third of those hundred students drop out in the first two months, and another third in the following four or five months. After that, the rate of reduction slows down some. But maybe three survive.

It's fascinating and remunerative work for those who qualify, though.

Dave Oesterreich


01 Apr 01 - 06:13 PM (#430819)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Peg

I enjoyed readng the other thread. But did not contribute...

so....

I am a woman, but not married, no kids. I have my kitties and my dear friends and feel very blessed to have them in my life. Many of my friends share my worldview and this seems like a great gift.

I am a pagan. I am so in awe at the beauty of the natural world that it quite literally makes me speechless at times. I get strength from nature I can get nowhere else.

I am a singer. I love instruments and hope to get better at some of them but my voice will always be my best one. I did not really find it until I started singing traditional music; it was like coming home.

I am a witch. I believe in some stuff many would find odd or at least amusing. The unseen world fascinates me and I think life is far more magical now than I used to as a child, even...but far more terrible at times, too.

I am a writer. I make money at this but not always on my own terms.

well, that's enough for now perhaps...

Peg


01 Apr 01 - 06:21 PM (#430822)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Hyla

By day, I am a Farmland Preservation Specialist, trying to keep some of the remaining farm fields in the Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania available for growing food instead of growing "huge" fancy new houses. I do this using agricultural conservation easments (aka, the purchase of development rights) as my tool. I feel lucky to have a job that I truly love and enjoy!

By night I am a guitar player, singer and lover of music!!

Jeff


01 Apr 01 - 06:42 PM (#430833)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Sorcha

By default: A mother and a Cook. I run Mother Mary's Hash and HalfWay House.......laundry facilities included.(lol)
By choice: An entertainer.


01 Apr 01 - 07:15 PM (#430850)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: gnu

Woman... singer... writer... pagan... witch... How does the music relate to the religion ? Or is that too personal ? I am a Catholic by birth, but not by practice. I believe in the religion of a hard day's work for a good day's pay, the respect of others and being a contributing member of society... just a good old boy. As George Carlin put it, I just want to be a cool guy.

The pagans around here get some air time around Halloween in the local paper. They are mostly of Celtic religions ( mostly Wickan ) and seem to be "cool" people from what I read in the newspaper - unless you talk to the baptists, but that's another story, IF you can talk to the baptists.

Anyway, maybe that's a discussion "Too Far" for some. But might the music tell otherwise ? Will you share the music side with us ? and, if you care, how it relates to the religion ? any history insights ?

intriguedgnu


01 Apr 01 - 07:16 PM (#430851)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Little Hawk

I'm an eternal individualized soul, presently incarnated in a rather thin and apparently mortal body. My essential self is a non-physical energy being (a soul, you could call it) with self-awareness and awareness of what is around it. For some reason that non-physical energy being decided to build itself a physical body here in this time and then go through a whole lot of stuff here, much of it painful, and some of it quite beautiful and inspiring.

I think the reason may have been that you can only actualize certain experiences by being physical, and the soul has an interest in doing that.

My corporeal self is considerably less aware of what is going on around it, I think, than my soul, though it's still aware of quite a bit. The trouble with a corporeal self is that it appears very vulnerable to a host of dangers (physical, healthwise, financial, etc.), and that tends to wear down the conscious feeling of well-being and produce stress, fear, anxiety, and so on.

I used to feel at heart that I was a musician, singer, and philosopher...and a lover, I suppose, in the romantic sense. Those things first and foremost. I've never made a "living" at those things. I've made a living doing any number of things that I had little or no real interest in, but they just happened to be there at the time. Most of them were still useful experiences, however, in one way or another. And they were better than doing nothing at all.

Right now, though, I'm not sure what I am, aside from an eternal soul that's on a temporary journey here.

I sure wish I knew what for.

That basically covers it.

- LH


01 Apr 01 - 07:18 PM (#430855)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Justa Picker

An enigma wrapped in a riddle.


01 Apr 01 - 08:46 PM (#430878)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: kendall

A one of a kind, unhappy pain in the ass...


01 Apr 01 - 10:49 PM (#430901)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: GUEST,Cleigh O'Possum

I am a small, ass-blown, clay possum. Cleigh O'Possum


02 Apr 01 - 01:33 AM (#430963)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Amergin

Well, let's see....I'm a computer geek....I answer the telephone and help folks with their computer "issues"......I am a mediocre poet/lyricist.....mediocre singer....but I enjoy it.....and godless....


02 Apr 01 - 01:38 AM (#430965)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: wdyat12

I climb cranes in the shipyard for a living. There's a pretty good view from up there and I see many things as I work in the air. Although there is much activity below, I see the crippled postures of so many of my union brothers and sisters beaten by our last strike against General Dynamics this past summer.

I became a union activist during the Strike of 2000. I worked for $100 a week for two months as a provider of hot meals and hot music on the strike line at the Harding Plant and outliers. I made sure that every picketline saw me driving by in a gorilla suit to remind them of what the company thinks of their talents and expertise. "Any ape can weld," said by one foreman. He's toast now.

We'll be out on strike again in 2004, you can bet your toolbox on that. If anything was gained for me in this last strike, it was a deep sense of compassion for the lives of my fellow workers here. I got to know many people I have worked with for 20 years, finally, on personal level in a consolidated effort. Too bad GD couldn't harness this force with better benefits, pay, and respect.

I see so many things as I work in the air. There is a song for everyone of my union brothers and sisters.

wdyat12


02 Apr 01 - 01:51 AM (#430973)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: GUEST,khandu

I am Eternal; if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. He is in me and I am in Him. My Father and I are one.

I also am a Friend, a Dad, a Husband, a musician, and a poet.

khandu


02 Apr 01 - 06:28 AM (#431048)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Naemanson

Just so you know, when Woody say he has a good view from the top of the cranes he means it. One of the cranes he works on is the lagest of its type on the east coast if not the world.

I am a minor bureaucrat. I buy design, construction and maintenance services for the last Naval air station that provides antisubmarine protection on the east coast. That means I hire an architect to design a building, a construction firm to build the building, and a janitor to clean the building. You (in the USA) pay in your taxes and I use the money.

I pledge to you that I do my best to spend it wisely and carefully.

I am also a round peg in a very square hole. My coworkers and bosses are short hair, uniformed, gung ho addicts of conformance and deference. I, on the other hand, belief and act on a more egalitarian principle and since I run my part of the office, and carry most of the responsibility, I can get away with it. My goal in life is to make sure that the customer is served and that the customers are treated fairly and equally whether s/he is a seaman or a captain. (And I get great satisfaction telling a captain he cannot have what he wants just because he is a captain. He needs a reason just like anyone else.)


02 Apr 01 - 06:32 AM (#431052)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Amergin

Wdyat, then get busy writing....


02 Apr 01 - 09:28 AM (#431140)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Peg

gnu;

well this is a complex question (or three!) you have asked...

When many pagans find out there is a name for what they believe, they often describe recognition and great relief, like "coming home." This was true for me. It is also true that when I first discovered traditional Celtic music as a singer, it was like coming home. Interestingly, it was while I was singing in a pagan choral group that this experience with the music occurred...

I like to sing songs with some sort of mystical bent, whether they are actually about witches or what have you. I also feel a deeply spiritual connection to songs from the Celtic countries (which eventualy led me to study Irish and Gaelic langauge to further this connection). It is hard to describe, but when I am perfroming I often manage to place myself in the world of the song: historically, the character, the language, the story etc. For me perfroming is a "magical" experience in that I enter the same sort of space I would while working magic in circle.

Anyone here who has see/heard me sing may have noticed I almost always have my eyes closed the whole time when singing anything traditional. I also sing many sad songs, and to truly enter the emotional state of the song, closing my eyes allows that journey to occur...

Again this is hard to explain; but I honestly believe my spiritual beliefs have made me into a far better singer now that I would have been if I had never found paganism; some people have said they "get chills" and what not when I sing certain songs and I know this is because of something that is neither in me or even the song but an alchemical process hapening in the moment..."magic" if you will. All the more so if the song is an ancient one, or is about the ancient world; it is almost akin to channelling past lives on some level, I imagine...

Of course non-pagan performers have this same experience and would call it something else entirely....

Anyway does any of that make sense?

Peg


02 Apr 01 - 10:39 AM (#431178)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Jimmy C

I am a retired systems analyst and entertainer. During 30 years of working I was 5 days in clean office and 6 nights in a smokey club. Now I am no longer in an office nor a club but I do perform regularly at old peoples homes,day care centres, country fairs and church functions. I am currently tracing my family tree, cataloguing all the songs and tunes I have on hand and doing a bit of travelling. Next month (May) I am off home to Ireland for 2 weeks, then to Quebec for 1 week, I had planned another extended trip through the states but that is on hold as I will be going back to Ireland next May also and being retired I only have so much money. I am a catholic by birth and by practice but very tolerant of others views. Basically I am just a regular guy who loves music, travelling and having good times with friends and family, especially my new grandaughter.


02 Apr 01 - 10:41 AM (#431179)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Kim C

Long-haired tattooed woman who likes cigars,Irish whiskey, and fuzzy animals. By day I push papers as an administrative assistant; by night I either 1)knit socks for other reenactors or 2)fiddle around (literally).


02 Apr 01 - 10:50 AM (#431186)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: English Jon

My day job: Sound Engineer.

Spiritualy I am a musician. There is nothing else.

I enjoy talking to cats.

English Jon


02 Apr 01 - 11:05 AM (#431194)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Kim C

I forgot to mention I am also SvetXena, Warrior Cowgirl.


02 Apr 01 - 11:12 AM (#431199)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Midchuck

In declining order of importance to me:

An essentially supportive (I hope), although often obnoxious, husband (and father, but that's no longer as important since my kids are grown and out, and most of the time the best thing I can do for them is to stay out from underfoot).

A citizen of my town, my state and my Country. (I put them in that order because as the political subdivisions grow larger, my ability to have any meaningful effect grows less.)

A folkie musician.

A voracious reader, mostly of Sci-fi and fantasy, although the average quality of that stuff seems to decline as I get older, with some important exceptions.

A cross-country skiier when there's snow, and hiker when there isn't.

An internet addict.

A lover of fine beer and ale.

A barely controlled glutton.

To support all of the above, I practice law (mostly real estate law) solo, in a small Vermont town; earning less than most people would believe any lawyer in active, nominally full-time, practice earns. But I'm healthy as far as I know. Watch this space.

Peter.


02 Apr 01 - 11:41 AM (#431219)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Naemanson

"A voracious reader, mostly of Sci-fi and fantasy, although the average quality of that stuff seems to decline as I get older, with some important exceptions."

Unfortunately Peter the quality is going down hill. I have pretty much given up on that genre because of it. If my daughters, or friends, rave about something I will read it but not till then.


02 Apr 01 - 04:21 PM (#431447)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Little Hawk

Nice post, Khandu. And plenty of other good stuff here as well.

- LH


02 Apr 01 - 05:31 PM (#431505)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: GUEST,Roll&Go-C

I am a figment of my imagination and that of my friends around me.


02 Apr 01 - 05:45 PM (#431519)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Naemanson

Sooo, Charlie, if we decide to disbelieve you would vanish? Then I'd be real careful playing that concertina again!


02 Apr 01 - 06:05 PM (#431540)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: nutty

I'm a retired (ill health) special needs teacher who now spends her time doing the things she really enjoys

Working and walking with my 2 dogs - both from rescue shelters - who are now a joy

Writing poems and songs

Doing manager/secretary duties for the group I sing with - 4 part raw natural harmonies that I love to hear and be part of. Also travelling up and down the country to group practices and bookings.(the dogs come too in the camper)

Gardening and helping things to grow

Talking to people on the Internet eg. Mudcat - Paltalk

Anything else except housework


02 Apr 01 - 09:19 PM (#431652)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: GUEST,psycodelek

i ams what i ams&i aints what i aints really(really)a father,husband,fellow traveler&a practicing christian also a friend of woody who is a kindred soul&a hell of a guy in real life


02 Apr 01 - 09:32 PM (#431665)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Tone d' F

What am I ....

Lion tamer, bon viveur, entrepeneur, diplomat, finacial wizard, insomniac, humourist and in my spare time I organise conventions and re-enactments in the English countryside where I then sell mead


02 Apr 01 - 10:35 PM (#431687)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: CarolC

Lion tamer, bon viveur, entrepeneur, diplomat, finacial wizard, insomniac, humourist and in my spare time I organise conventions and re-enactments in the English countryside where I then sell mead

Wow! And can you juggle?


02 Apr 01 - 11:16 PM (#431705)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: GutBucketeer

I just read this for the first time. I will have to go back and read the other thread.

I am a POST-NERD that did not realize that I was one.

Somehow when I wasn't looking I became a grownup. A DAD. A Husband..... A Scout Leader. I mean I have a house, cars, pets, A JOB, payments. I go to parent teacher conferences. I join committees. (Once I even played the Easter Bunny in the Neighborhood Easter Egg hunt dressed in a Bugs Bunny Costume. I traumatized a little girl and my for life as a result. I knocked her over with my feet while turning around to see who wanted an Easter Egg. My son thought the Easter Bunny had ate his daddy when he heard my voice coming from the costume..

I am an APPTENTICE ECCENTRIC (I like what I like, and if it means wearing my old green cap and other comfortable clothes, singing in the halls, and NOT choosing to own a cell phone, then so be it. I will be a full blown eccentric if I ever win the lottery and have enough money for people to notice, or get old enough to putter full time). My DAD is a retired professor that is quickly attaining that lofty status.

I am a perennial beginning musician and banjoist. I love music in all of it's forms and styles. Yet the only instrument that I have ever mastered is my Washtub Bass.

and Oh by day

I play at being a Prognosticator and Soothsayer Extrodinaire proficient at peering into the mists of time using modern Difference Engines to fathom the future meanderings of our children's children at they scurry hither and thither in response to the stimuli of life. I also attempt to fathom how extending the eyes, ears, and "intelligence" of these new golems of the modern world can help each of us to minimize the impact of our scurrying on others.

(I forecast future land use and travel patterns, and also pretend to be a "intelligent transportation system" and planning expert.

GutBucket (JAB)


03 Apr 01 - 05:44 AM (#431830)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: gnu

Peg.... Yeah, it does. I always wondered what magic was. An alchemical process. I close my eyes when I'm really into the tunes, too, but as for the spiritual connection to the tunes, Irish Trad and Trouble tunes, I find a few ales put me there... more of a chemical process. Guess I'm just too shallow, spiritually.

gnu


03 Apr 01 - 05:57 AM (#431838)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: sledge

I am an oilfield medic for the oil and gas industry.

Confused


03 Apr 01 - 06:02 AM (#431843)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: gnu

JAB said.... I play at being a Prognosticator and Soothsayer Extrodinaire proficient.....

Priceless !!!!! I did a Master's in Trans Planning & Engineering at UNB, but, alas, find myself doing other things some tewnty years later. Mind if I send this job description to some of my old Profs ? I am sure they would get a kick out of it. I would send it with no credit... the ITE might laugh OR CRY... you never know.

gnu


03 Apr 01 - 06:16 AM (#431846)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: wdyat12

sledge,

I just PMed you about another thread twice 'cause I screwed up the first one. Waiting for your reply. It's early/late here in Maine. The sun is coming up. Oh My! I'll try to hang in here for a while longer.

wdyat12


04 Apr 01 - 03:18 AM (#432805)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Tone d' F

Carol C only my accounts


04 Apr 01 - 03:22 AM (#432809)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Tone d' F

I missed out, stopper of wars, starter of wars, philanthropist, humanitarian and general nice chap.

I then wake up and get out of bed


04 Apr 01 - 05:47 AM (#432844)
Subject: RE: BS: What are you, really? (really)
From: Ella who is Sooze

I'm a graphic designer by day...

a musician by night (would love to do that all the time)

a livewire

A traveller, when I get the chance...

active, voracious, mad, happy friendly etc...

and like Jon I also like talking to my cats....

purrrroooowwwwwwwllll engwishc jons cat frrrrroooooom Monty Mwrooo Ella's cat....

Ella