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21 Oct 01 - 10:09 AM (#576725) Subject: Words of ? in Dixie From: GUEST,Ben I checked the older messages that seemed pertinent but didn't find anything about this particular aspect of the song "Dixie". In the last verse there is reference to "ingen batter" and to "scratch the grabble". Any one with insights on what these two things are. I realize that this is old slang and would like to know what it is in reference to. Thanks. Ben |
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21 Oct 01 - 11:37 AM (#576750) Subject: RE: Words of ? in Dixie From: Sorcha I belive your "ingen batter" is a typo--should be "Injun batter". Probably something like a cornmeal batter to be deep fried or baked. No idea about "scratch your grabble". I know what scrapple is, but you eat it, not scratch it............... |
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21 Oct 01 - 02:29 PM (#576819) Subject: RE: Words of ? in Dixie From: GUEST,Ben Thanks Sorcha! The more I look at it the more I suspect "grabble" may be "gravel" since it is in the previous line above about "trabble" or "travel" to Dixie. Thank you! Ben |
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21 Oct 01 - 03:10 PM (#576840) Subject: RE: Words of ? in Dixie From: catspaw49 One of the best Injun Batters of all time was Rocky Colavito til they traded him to Detroit in one of the worst Injun trades of all time. Broke my 10 year old heart.......... Spaw |
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21 Oct 01 - 05:27 PM (#576921) Subject: RE: Words of ? in Dixie From: DougR "Scratch your grabble?" Sounds pretty ominus to me. |
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21 Oct 01 - 06:32 PM (#576969) Subject: RE: Words of ? in Dixie From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) See thread Help- Dixie (about 3 days ago) All explained there. The song title is Dixie's Land. Grabble = gravel. Injun batter is fine corn meal. There is still a brand on the market with an Indian on the label. |
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21 Oct 01 - 08:23 PM (#577067) Subject: RE: Words of ? in Dixie From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Help: Dixie |
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09 Mar 04 - 09:35 PM (#1132670) Subject: Lyr Req: Meaning of the words in DIXIE From: GUEST,Macums@aol.com hi, I am doing a project for my History class, and I have to find out the meaning of the words to Dixie. I don't have any idea what "den hoe it down and scratch your grabble" means or "forty pounder" or "ingen batter". I have looked on a lot of different web sites and in my library, but I can't find anything. Someone I emailed told me to check with all of you here to see if anyone knew. Thanks, Marshall |
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09 Mar 04 - 10:07 PM (#1132692) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: Joe Offer Hi, Marshall - I moved your message over to this thread, which should answer at least some of your questions. Be sure to check the crosslinks up top for other threads on the song. If you still have more questions, come back and post them in this thread. For reference, you can Click here for the original lyrics ("Dixie's Land")in our Digital Tradition database. good luck. -Joe Offer- (e-mail sent) |
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09 Mar 04 - 10:30 PM (#1132704) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: Q (Frank Staplin) A "forty pounder" was a field gun. Mighty "fierce" smile, that! Hoe it down and scratch your grabble sounds like farm work, but I suspect that when the minstrel's performed it, one of them did a little dance, perhaps even imitating a chicken scratching gravel (The minstrel song is not the way it would be sung a couple of years later by a patriotic Confederate). Injun (the minstrels spelled it various ways in their parody of Black speech) Batter is explained above- a batter made with fine corn meal; corn, of course being developed in America by Indians. |
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10 Mar 04 - 05:19 AM (#1132829) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: Brian Hoskin I assumed 'scratching gravel' referred to heading off down the road (a gravelled surface) - the same expression is used in some versions of Blue Ridge Mountain Blues. |
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10 Mar 04 - 11:07 AM (#1133075) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: GLoux Not exactly on topic, but there's a wonderful book, "Way Up North In Dixie" by Howard and Judy Sacks published by Smithsonian that delves into whether Dan Emmett actually wrote "Dixie's Land" or if a black family, the Snowden's, taught it to Emmett. -Greg |
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10 Mar 04 - 11:33 AM (#1133092) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: Q (Frank Staplin) Brian, you may be right! |
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10 Mar 04 - 04:21 PM (#1133303) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: GUEST Thank you all for your help. If anyone else knows anything more about this, please add! Thanks again, Marshall |
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11 Mar 04 - 12:30 PM (#1133973) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: Coyote Breath Doesn't any see the irony in Dixie? It was written by a Northern black-face minstrel, the tune was adopted by the confederacy whose words were completely different, calling loyal southerners to arms against the "Northern Agression" I remember marching in a protest to the Hunstville, Alabama, Board of Education, demanding that Dixie no longer be played at half-time. This was back in 1970. The song is more of an insult to blacks than a "in-your-face" reminder of the Civil War, due to it's terribly racist mockery of black speech. Our black high school students wanted the tune (a lively march) removed from the Huntsville High School band's repetoire because of it's connection to the confederacy, almost none of my Alabama A&M students knew any but the first few words and no one in Hunstville (to my knowledge) knew the confederate words. (We marched in sympathy with the HHS students.) I don't know if the confederate words are in the DT but they can be found in the Mel Bay publication: "Ballads and Songs of the Civil War" by Jerry Silverman. Of course the words to "Year of Jublio" are at least as insulting due to the "dialect" purporting to be black speech, though the sentiment is more appropriate. CB |
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11 Mar 04 - 02:54 PM (#1134068) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: Billy Weeks With all its faults, one version of Dixie contains two line of real poetry: I wish I was in the land of cotton, Cinnamon sea and a sandy bottom... The sound is more important than the meaning. Come to think of it, what does it mean? |
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11 Mar 04 - 03:02 PM (#1134076) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: Q (Frank Staplin) For the student, it is important that songs of the Civil War and the 19th century be put in proper perspective. The speech of the average white southerner (and westerner) who did not belong to the upper classes was at least as dialect-full as that of the blacks of the time. It is most apparent in attempts to capture the speech of "hillbillies" and "white trash." Henry Clay Work, who wrote "Kingdom Coming" (aka Year of Jubilo), and "Marching Through Georgia," was an abolitionist and printer as well as a composer, whose father had been sentenced to 12 years in a Missouri jail in 1841 for assisting fugitive slaves. When he was freed, he moved to Illinois, a "free" state. The biting sarcasm in his songs was apparent to the blacks of his time and much appreciated by them; versions appear in collections of Negro folk songs collected from blacks (see especially the work of the black educator, Thomas W. Talley, "Negro Folk Rhymes"). Another of his songs, "Babylon is Fallen," mentions the 'forty-pounder' that appeared in the minstrel song "Dixie." "Babylon..." celebrates the blacks who joined the Union army. Two verses- Don't you see the lightnin' Flashin' in the cane brake, Like as if we's gwine to hab a storm? No! You is mistaken, 'Tis darkies bay'nets, An' de buttons on dar uniform. Way up in the cornfield, Whar you hear de tunder, Dat is our ole forty-pounder gun; When the shells are missin', Den we load wit punkins, All the same to make the cowards run. We will be the Massa, He will be the sarvant.... These songs will once again be understood and regain their historical perspective after another generation, when the emotions and hate of the struggle for equality of the post-WW2 period have abated. |
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12 Mar 04 - 02:52 AM (#1134497) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: Wilfried Schaum I assumed 'scratching gravel' referred to heading off down the road (a gravelled surface) - an interesting parallel we have in German: colloquial Kratz die Kurve = scratch the bend when somebody is urged to leave of immediately. Wilfried |
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02 Jan 12 - 07:01 AM (#3283326) Subject: Scratchin' gravel From: GUEST,clay Hi, I agree with Greg. The line in Blueridge Mountain Blues: My grip is packed to travel, soon I'll be scratchin' gravel for that Blueridge far away. Meaning: My bag is packed and I'll be heading home to the Blueridge Mountains. Sorta like spinning tires, it seems. Best, Clay |
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04 Jun 14 - 09:12 AM (#3630241) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: GUEST,Mike Dallwitz Another example: Grab Your Saddle Horn and Blow (Bob Nolan) When I feel the urge I got to travel Anywhere the tumbleweeds grow. Happy when my feet are scratchin' gravel, I grab my saddle horn and blow. |
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23 Feb 15 - 05:35 PM (#3689230) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: GUEST,Phil Q: "Hoe it down and scratch your grabble sounds like farm work, but I suspect that when the minstrel's performed it, one of them did a little dance, perhaps even imitating a chicken scratching gravel" This one got lost in the crash and I couldn't find anything in cache so... for Q, who was sooo close and undoubtedly knew the answer all along... otra vez... "So hoe it down..." take out the "it" and you have a "hoedown" or "a type of American folk dance or square dance in duple meter, and also the musical form associated with it." (wiki.) Aaron Copeland's is probably the widest circulated in the mainstream but Sons of the Pioneers – Wagner Hoedown was always favoritest in our house. "... and scratch your grabble." (or gravel) is the competitive form of the dance (think Soul Train Dance Line) where southereners "bring it on" as it were. "There's buckwheat cakes and Injun batter" is a breakfast of buckwheat pancakes and hushpuppies. Fat or fatter indeed! |
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24 Feb 15 - 05:20 PM (#3689555) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: wysiwyg Phil, Q has passed away as per a recent thread. ~Susa |
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24 Feb 15 - 06:31 PM (#3689581) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: olddude And very sadly missed, my old watch friend |
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24 Feb 15 - 06:32 PM (#3689582) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: olddude And so did spaw and sorcha |
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24 Feb 15 - 09:35 PM (#3689616) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: GUEST,Phil The post that got lost in the crash I dedicated to the memory of both Q and Sorcha. Sorry to have gotten here too late but their old posts are a joy. Bittersweet is the word. |
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19 Feb 17 - 09:12 PM (#3840039) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: GUEST Hoe it down = gobble it up. injun batter = brown gravy. scratch your gravel = pat or rub your belly. |
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20 Feb 17 - 02:43 AM (#3840057) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch Where do you guys get this stuff from? To expand on my previous, it's American minstrelsy: Hoe it down = is to hoedown Scratch your gravel = to dance, as popularized by American minstrels Jake Wallace and Charlotte Mignon "Lotta" Crabtree, et al: "2. Trike he toe an heel—cut de pigeon wing, Scratch gravel, slap de foot—dat's just de ting." [Sich a Gittin' Up Stairs, c.1848] Injun batter = is deep fry corn meal batter made with native maize. Throw it straight in hot oil and it's a hushpuppy; add bacon drippings, egg and water it's sloosh. |
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20 Feb 17 - 05:48 AM (#3840081) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: GUEST I've heard "River" pronounced as "Ribber". (Possibly in a derogatory way?). Maybe "Gravel" could have been changed to "Grabel (or grabble)" in the same way? |
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20 Feb 17 - 06:12 AM (#3840091) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: Mr Red I've said it before in a thread on Ike Ike Onay (spelling?): When the writer writes the lyrics it is not a given that there is one meaning, ambiguity is the lifeblood of creative people. Two or more meaning give the lyric more substance, more worth, more interest. Particularly for the composer, but also for potential audience who cherry-pick their understood meanings. Throw in aural (or even oral) tradition with the Folk Process and it confuses and sets some of those interpretations. At the end of the day I guarantee one (or more) of the conflicting meanings above apply equally. The problem is which is which. Sometimes the composer explains it - eventually! Don Maclean on "American Pie" and he clearly states he was after ambiguity. I think we can all agree, he achieved it. |
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20 Feb 17 - 10:52 AM (#3840159) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch Me: ...it's American minstrelsy Red: ... in aural (or even oral) tradition with the Folk Process... Pick one. The corkface glossary isn't the least ambiguous in Dixie. Claim 'folk process' for any of it on an American university campus today, have your running shoes laced up tight beforehand. |
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20 Feb 17 - 11:03 AM (#3840160) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: meaning of the words in DIXIE From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch Now that I think of it, Sich a Gittin' Up Stairs was once quite popular with the Bahamian Mummer and Morris crowd (long gone) Wouldn't shock me to hear it crop up in the ongoing UK debates. |