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22 Feb 98 - 06:34 PM (#21999) Subject: CORNISH SONGS From: I've posted a couple of Cornish songs recently Jan Knuckey and the Bellringer and have quite a few more. While they may not all be Cornish they are versions sung here and like all races we do claim them. But the point of my message is, is there an interest out there for these songs and tunes?
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23 Feb 98 - 12:32 AM (#22021) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Alice yes. |
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23 Feb 98 - 07:00 AM (#22033) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Wolfgang yes |
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23 Feb 98 - 11:05 AM (#22049) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Jon W. Absolutly. |
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23 Feb 98 - 04:12 PM (#22071) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Joe Offer Well, everybody around here knows how much I like corny songs. What's that you say? Cornish? Well, that, too. Seriously, Baz, we'd sure like to see them. -Joe Offer- |
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23 Feb 98 - 09:45 PM (#22088) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Cliff Yes Please! And thank You. Also try a singer by the name of Jim Wearne who sings Cornish material only and has a couple of cassettes available. His webpage can be found at: http://www.chaven.com/users/coram/default.html |
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06 Dec 99 - 08:11 PM (#145738) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: John in Brisbane Well there are a number of songs in the DT that are missing their tunes that are claimed to be Cornish in Peter Kennedy's Folksongs of Ireland and England. With assistance from Alison they'll be at MUDI in a little while.
Cambourne Hill
I'll do some work on:
The other Cornish songs in the DT c/w lyrics and tune are:
Regards, John
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06 Dec 99 - 10:24 PM (#145800) Subject: Lyr Add: TRELAWNY (in Cornish and English) From: John in Brisbane Here's Trelawny in both languages. With Alison's help the tune will be at MUDI in due course. Regards, John TRELAWNY 1 Gans cledha da yn dorn yu lei Gwyr, lowen an golon Yth aswon Myghtern Jamys fel Pandr' wrello Kernewon Yu ordnys Ie ha prys ancow? Trelawny dos dh'y fyn? Mes ugans myl an dus Kernow Gothfos an praga 'vyn A vew Trelawny bras? 'Verow Trelawny bras? Otomma ugans myl Kernow A woffyth oil an cos 2 Yn meth an Capten, bew y wos Gwas jolyf yn mysk cans Tour Loundres kyn fe Carrek Los Y'n dylerfsen dewhans Ny a dres Tamar, tyr dhe dyr By 'ny vyth Havren let Ha scoth ryp scoth, cowetha gwyr Pyu orthyn-ny a set? 3 Devedhys bys yn Fos Loundres Gwel dek dhyn, ny a gry Deugh mes, ownegyon oil, deugh mes Gwell on. agesough-why Trelawny yu avel felon Fast yn cargharow tyn Mes ugans myl a Gernewon Gothfos an ken a vyn 1 A good sword and a trusty hand A merry heart and true King James's men shall understand What Cornish men can do And have they fixed the where and when? And shall Trelawny die? Here's twenty thousand Cornishmen Will know the reason why And shall Trelawny live? Or shall Trelawny die? Here's twenty thousand Cornishmen Will know the reason why 2 Out spake the captain brave and bold A merry wight was he Though London Tower were Michael's hold We'll set Trelawny free We'll cross the Tamar, land to land The Severn is no stay Then one and all and hand in hand And who shall bid us nay? 3 And when we come to London wall A pleasant sight to view Come forth, come forth, ye cowards all Here are better men than you Trelawny he's in keep in hold Trelawny he may die But twenty thousand Cornish bold Will know the reason why |
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07 Dec 99 - 02:36 AM (#145898) Subject: Tunes add: CORNISH SONGS From: alison Hi, Most of the above tunes(thanks to John's MIDIs) are now available at Mudcat MIDIs I have decided just to post them as MIDIs, not as MIDItxt.... if anyone really wants ABC for any tunes I post let me know and I'll post it. slainte alison |
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07 Dec 99 - 09:01 AM (#145961) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Mountain Dog Dear Baz: Thanks very much for the Cornish tunes! My wife and I have just returned from a seven and a half month sojourn in Cornwall (doing research for a variety of freelance writing projects on the subject of Sacred Beauty in Nature) and heartily enjoyed our stay. Most of all, we fell in love with the land and the Cornish people. We had the pleasure of hearing concerts by an outstanding Cornish male voice choir as well as catching a wide variety of solo and ensemble folk artists in pub venues throughout the county. So, the more Cornish music you can share with us, the better, in my book! Many thanks for your contributions. |
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07 Dec 99 - 12:07 PM (#146021) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Margaret\W There's a Cornish Christmas carol, set by Peter Warlock earlier this century; I have a recording but no words/dots. It's worth checking out if anyone's keen. Margaret |
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08 Dec 99 - 11:47 AM (#146564) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Wotcha BAZ, You know I like them all ! Cheers, Brian |
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06 Jan 01 - 01:02 PM (#369765) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,ianmarshall@sparticus.net Hi! Checked your site today - bravo! Please tell everyone I am producing a CD this month called "21 SONGS OF CORNWALL!" It`s a comprehensive collection of real TRADITIONAL stuff, none of yer Celtic revival mush, and as I`m the only singer actually IN Cornwall who`s seriously recorded this kind of material, I`d love everyone to know about it - and buy it!? It would be nice to chat to anyone - yourself included - via e-mail as above (ianmarshall@sparticus.net OR cornwallsong@supanet.com.) I can tell them when the CD is finally issued, and how to order. ALSO visit my temporary website for more detail: www.cornwallsong.supanet.com Great to meet you! Love to all. Kernow bys vyken. Ian Marshall (24, Trevecca, Liskeard, Cornwall PL14 6RH)
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06 Jan 01 - 02:56 PM (#369821) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Mark. West Sussex. UK Peter Kennedy's "Folk Songs of Britain and Ireland" has about 12 Cornish Songs with music and translation. Also Scottish Gaelic, Irish Gaelic, Welsh, Manx, Channel Islands and Romany. Also about 500 pages of songs in English. Weighs a ton, costs a bomb but is totally fascinating and an obvious labour of love. ISBN 0.7119.0283.6 |
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06 Jan 01 - 10:38 PM (#370132) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Wotcha Gee Ian, BAZ is in Cornwall too ... Is he still about? Cheers, Brian |
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07 Jan 01 - 02:15 PM (#370401) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: John Wood Of course Baz is still around. I bumped into him first at the Cadgwith one-day festival,then at St.Ives folk club, and a couple of weeks later at the Wadebridge folk festival.< Greetings John(from Norway). |
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07 Jan 01 - 04:49 PM (#370441) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Greyeyes Ian, I'll pass this info on to the Music Librarian at Plymouth Central Library, where I work, and try and persuade him to order a copy for the Library (even though it's from the other side of the bridge):) Have you thought of joining The Mudcat? It's free, it could be very useful to you, and perhaps more importantly, you could be very useful to the Mudcat. Thanks for the info, Paul |
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07 Jan 01 - 10:16 PM (#370652) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: paddymac Ian - along with joining the Mudcat Family, you might consider donating a copy of the CD to the Mudcat auction. It would help the 'cat, and might generate a little publicity for the CD. |
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08 Jan 01 - 11:13 AM (#370851) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,leeneia Ian Marshall, would you offer a few insights into how traditional Cornish music differs from "Celtic mush"? I have connections to a local Cornish society and an sincerely interested. |
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08 Jan 01 - 03:49 PM (#371049) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Malcolm Douglas A couple more sets of Cornish language lyrics in the Forum: Hal An Tow Translation into Cornish by Talek and Ylewyth. http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=26224#314213>Ma Grün War 'n Gelynen -The Holly Bears a Berry (Sans Day Carol); translation into Cornish by Tyrvab (W. Daniel Watson). In both cases, English text and tunes are already available in the DT. Malcolm |
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08 Jan 01 - 06:11 PM (#371154) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST Sorry, don't know how to do blue jobs but these URL's will take you to threads with Songs in Cornish plus translations and tunes.
Lyr/Tune Add: JAN KNUCKEY
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09 Jan 01 - 05:49 PM (#371758) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Kernow Jon Ian It's good to here from you but I would take issue with your claim to be the only singer IN Cornwall to be recording traditional stuff. Hilary Coleman and Neil Davey have recorded some pretty good stuff with Sowena. Harry Glasson from Goldsithney( due in Winsconsin next month) has also recorded many traditional Cornish songs, he has also written some new material about life in Cornwall and Penwith in particular. But good luck with the album, if there are any copies at Lowender Perran this year I'll maybe buy one. Regards KJ |
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09 Jan 01 - 05:51 PM (#371759) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Kernow Jon Sorry about the proof reading but you'll get the gist! KJ |
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09 Jan 01 - 08:03 PM (#371876) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Jim Dixon I did some research on Cornish music a while ago for a friend. Here are some of the web sites I found then. Maybe you will find them useful:
Cornish Links Directory |
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10 Jan 01 - 09:36 AM (#372134) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,leeneia I see that there are no replies so far from Ian. Maybe he just dropped by here to plug his stuff. |
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13 Jun 04 - 04:28 AM (#1206078) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Dexter Does anyone have the words - IN CORNISH - to 'Ilove the White Rose in it's splendour...............' ?? |
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13 Jun 04 - 04:51 AM (#1206083) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: John MacKenzie Jack and Margaret King used to do a song called Cor Bugger Jagger, [not as rude as it sounds] which is definitely west country, but I don't know if it's as far west as Kernow. Anybody know anything about this song? Giok |
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13 Jun 04 - 05:50 AM (#1206093) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Big Al Whittle Rosie Hardman wrote a song called the Road to Marazion |
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13 Jun 04 - 06:24 AM (#1206098) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Herga Kitty Giok Greg Stephens posted some of the words for Cor, Bugger Jagger on a thread about Cornish pasties last year.... Half a pound of flour and marge Makes a lovely clagger Just enough for you and me Cor bugger jagger Chorus: O how happy us'll be When us gets to the west country Where the oggies grow on trees Cor bugger jagger I seem to remember another verse starting "You make fast, I'll make fast, Make fast the dinghy You make fast, kiss my arse Make fast the dinghy" And the chorus ending And we'll all go back to Oggie land.... Kitty |
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13 Jun 04 - 06:30 AM (#1206099) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: John MacKenzie That's the one Kitty, how lovely to see the words after all these years. I think I last heard it in The Cellar at CSH about 1965, but can only remember the tune to the 'We'll all go back to Oggieland' bit. I will look for the full set of words, and hopefully the tune too. Thanks Giok |
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13 Jun 04 - 09:01 AM (#1206151) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Marion in Cornwall Here you go Dexter, These are the words as per Henegan (I think by Merv Davy). As far as I can tell no-one seems to know of the origin of the song but these words were collected from Neil Plummer of St Stythyans, so the book says. All the best Marion An Rosen Wyn (The White Rose) My agaran rosen wyn mar whek mar dek del dyfhy An rosen whyn mar splan mar vryntyn a dhre dha gof amma dhevy. Kensa pan whelys ow whek oll, yth esta mar dek avel ros; Mes lemmyn mar dhys lyw dha vejeth, mar wyn avel rosen mayth os My agaran rosen wyn, mar whek mar dek del dyfhy An rosen wyn mar splan mar vryntyn a dhre dha gof omma dhevy |
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13 Jun 04 - 09:10 AM (#1206154) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Richard "The Cadgwith Anthem" "The Floral Dance" |
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13 Jun 04 - 11:56 AM (#1206234) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Mary Humphreys Have you heard Mo Keast,who goes to Bodmin Folk Club sing in Cornish? She has quite a few songs. I don't think she is a Mudcatter, but some of the Bodmin folkies may be. She won the National Folk Music Festival Singer's Competition some years ago. A great singer and a very lovely person. |
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13 Jun 04 - 12:56 PM (#1206286) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Herga Kitty Giok I can't do the notation, but try, E, G, G, E, G, G, E, E, D, D,C....... Kitty |
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13 Jun 04 - 01:03 PM (#1206287) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Herga Kitty And for the chorus, top C, C, C, G, A, A, G..... Kitty PS i sang in an event with Mo Keast at the National last year, and endorse Mary's comments! |
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13 Jun 04 - 06:40 PM (#1206468) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Joybell Thank you all. I'm a member of the Cornish Association here in Victoria Australia. We do have a large collection of songs already but I'll pass these on to the other musical members of the group. Here we include Stephen Foster's songs, along with the "traditional" songs, in any musical happening because they were the popular songs at the time of the large migration of Cornish people to Central Victoria - 1850s on. Of course Cyril Tawney's work is also included - especially "The Oggie Man" Joy |
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14 Jun 04 - 10:05 AM (#1206894) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Mingulay On the subject of Cornish songs, does anyone have the words to "In a Cornish Kitchen". The only person I have heard sing it is Geoff Boughton whose whereabouts are at present unknown. More than likely not trad, but I like it anyway Cheers Pete |
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14 Jun 04 - 12:26 PM (#1207003) Subject: Lyr Add: CORNISH KITCHEN From: Marion in Cornwall Pete, I think this might be the song you mentioned. I can put in an abc of the tune if anyone is interested. Regards Marion CORNISH KITCHEN Why bless 'ee you knows all about it, Avore I do tell 'ee a word 'Tis a boy and a maid, and a country glade A story you've often heard, How the boy lost his heart to the maid Well the how of it's always the same; 'Tis where I met Nellie, that I wants to tell 'ee She was tending the butter and craime. In a Cornish Kitchen, with the log fire glow on the wall; And the nickety nock o' the grandfather clock The blue and white china and all: The floor clean sanded, the table for supper was laid; Her mother said stay, well what could I say So I sat beside Jan's little maid. Old Jan farmed about forty acres, And I was his better most man; So twas easy for me, to be seein' of she, And that's how the courtin' began: On Easter Day just a year after, We marched off to church prinkly dressed; I gived her the ring and all that sort of thing And the parson chap he did the rest. We've a Cornish Kitchen, with the log fire glow on the wall; And the nickety nock o' the grandfather clock The blue and white china and all: There's the squab pie steamin', the table for two neatly laid A chair for me and another for she What was once farmer Jan's little maid. I've seen chaps look wish't as a winnard What you call scared out of their life; P'raps starved as a baby or poor lived maybe But'tis most times a troublesome wife: Of course all the maids ain't like my maid, What a joy of the world it would be, If such maids could be found, to have one each all round An' all be as happy as we. We've a Cornwish Kitchen, with the log fire glow on the wall; And the nickety nock o' the grandfather clock The blue and white china and all: We've a brave fire burning, the table for three is laid, That's Nellie and me and the other you see, Is our own dear little maid. Prinky dressed – all dressed up Squab pie – pigeon pie Wish't as a winnard – a winnard is a redwing. They stop off in Cornwall for a rest on their way through and usually look pretty 'wished' when they arrive. These words are from Henegan where the author states that it was written in the 1920's by Frederick Dale and sung by Edith Serpell & Charles Saunders. The publishers were Larway & Co. but the present owners of this firm have no record of the song. |
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14 Jun 04 - 12:52 PM (#1207026) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: MikeofNorthumbria Greetings to all, especially Giok and Kitty, Here is a fuller set of words for the notorious Oggie song: "Where be goin' to Jagger?" "I be goin' to Looe!" "Gor, b****r Jagger, I be goin' there too!" Oh how happy us will be, When us gets to the west country Where the oggies grow on trees, Gor, b****r Jagger! Half a pound of flour and marge makes a lovely clagger – Just enough for you and me - Gor, b****r Jagger! Oh how happy us will be …etc. Up the Camborne hill we go, down to Helston Ferry. Come on Jagger, don't be slow, come on Jagger, hurry! Oh how happy us will be …etc. You make fast, I'll make fast, make fast the dinghy. You make fast, kiss my a**e, make fast the dinghy! And we'll all go back to oggie-land, To oggie-land, sweet oggie-land! And we'll all go back to oggie-land, Where they don't know sugar from … Tissu paper, tissue paper, marmalade and jam …Oi! Oi! Oggie, oggie, oggie! …..Oi! Oi! Oi! Cornish Crib-sheet: Jagger = Mate; buddy (compare "Whacker" in Scouse, or "Acker" in Somerset) Clagger = Pastry Oggie = a Cornish pasty The identity of the author is unknown to me: presumably it was someone Cornish and nautical. I learned it from Cyril Tawney in the summer of 1962. Note for Kitty - Greg Stephens was a freshman in the Autumn term of 1962, when I introduced the Oggie song to Heritage, so he may have learned it there. (Though Greg does have Cornish roots, and may have learned it independently.) Note for Giok - Like yourself, I used to be a regular attender at Jack and Margaret King's 's Saturday night sessions in the Cellar, C# House and may well have mangled the Oggie song at one of them in 1965. We may even have met: were you one of those who sneaked out to The Engineer for a pint during the interval? And did you dash on down to the Student Prince afterwards for Curly's All-Nighter, and catch the first train home on Sunday morning? Happy Days! Wassail! |
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14 Jun 04 - 02:36 PM (#1207095) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Herga Kitty Thanks for the full version, Mike - I've been trying to remember where I first heard it. I suspect it was the Beach Store in Sidmouth (although I went on to Cornwall, with a couple of Herga friends who were subsequently Presidents of Heritage, after my first Sidmouth in 1968, and we went to a pub session in Cadgwith). Kitty |
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14 Jun 04 - 03:47 PM (#1207146) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Jeanie Lots of tunes and songs in Cornish dialect and in Cornish to be found on the An Daras website ("The Doorway to Cornish Folk Arts"). Marion - it's good to see Merv Davey's name mentioned. I used to sing with him in the resident group at Falmouth folk club way back in the Dark Ages ! - jeanie |
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14 Jun 04 - 06:43 PM (#1207260) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Big Al Whittle mainly traditional songs being mentioned but many great contemporary singers like Nigel Mazlyn Jones , Ralph McTell and Clive Palmer have Cornish connections - not to mention Noel Murphy. Hard to believe these guys haven't written something Cornish during their long sojourn so far away from the rest of us. |
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15 Jun 04 - 04:38 AM (#1207524) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Cats at Work It's worth noting that Cornwall Songwriters who include in their number Mike O'Connor, Jon Heslop, Lucy Burrows, Roger Bryant, Tony Truscott, Kathy Wallis, Ron Openshaw et al, all have in their repetoire, traditional Cornish songs. They don't just write new songs. Mike has a vast collection of traditional songs and music which have been published, Kathy sings traditional cornish songs which have been recorded, Tony Truscott won a competition at Pan Celtic for his songs in Cornish and both Tony and Mike have been made Bards of the Cornish Gorseth for their contribution to music in Cornwall. Contact any of them and they'll all be pleased to help in whatever way they can. |
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15 Jun 04 - 08:35 AM (#1207637) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Mingulay Many thanks Marion, this is exactly what I was looking for. As for the tune the one I remember fits to these words. As I thought it is not "trad" but I still like it. Cheers Pete |
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29 Jan 05 - 08:45 PM (#1392809) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,kevin in northumberland I'v been looking for a site like this for ages. Just what us ex pat cornish need. keep it up kevin |
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29 Jan 05 - 10:40 PM (#1392873) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: LadyJean "I saw a snail drive a nail fye man fye I saw a snail drive a nail, Who's the fool now I saw a snail drive a nail from Penzance up to Hale." Thou hast well drunken man, who's the fool now." Penzance and Hale are both Cornish towns, I know because I've stayed in one, and passed through the other. Yes there are pirates in Penzance, they run shell shops, and assorted other tourist traps. But I did love Cornwall, and the people were so nice! |
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29 Jan 05 - 11:02 PM (#1392895) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: hilda fish Rob Strike, does traditional cornish melodies, Pyba , Dalla, Jim Wearne, Bagas Degol, Ånao Åtao, Bolingey Troyl Band, Aveldenn, Graham Ellaby, Mike O'Connor, and ross keltek all do traditional Çornish and are featured on CD Mammyk Ker, Kernow, Åll the ?est of Çornwall, more info www.kesson.com In Australia the Çornish Åssociation, or singer/songwriter Çarrl Myriad (google it) are very useful re words and music of trad Cornish |
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30 Jan 05 - 06:04 AM (#1393026) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Keith A of Hertford My cousin in Allet does The Cornish Alphabet. He is no folkie, and it is a monologue rather than a song. Anyone else know it? If not I will get it from him, and post it drekly. Keith. |
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30 Jan 05 - 08:38 AM (#1393129) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: John P I have an old vinyl LP called "The Hole In the Piper's Head" by a group called Bucca. I'm afraid it's my only exposure to Cornish music. It has a song on it called "An Lader" which I know from other sources as "The Robber", an English song. Does anyone know if it started in Cornwall and got translated to English, or the other way around? John Peekstok |
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30 Jan 05 - 09:23 AM (#1393162) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Guest Hilda Fish gives a long list of singers in Cornish, but it omits Mo Keast (who was mentioned earlier in this thread by Mary Humphreys and Herga Kitty). Mo was born in Padstow, and is a cousin of Charlie Bate's. She has sung at Bodmin club for many years. She "learned her trade" under the tutelage of Charlie and Mervyn Vincent, and is now the repository of many of Charlie's songs. She also sings many songs in the Cornish language, and is a Bard of the Cornish Gorsedd; a very staunch and strong supporter of Cornwall and all things Cornish! |
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30 Jan 05 - 10:12 AM (#1393202) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Flash Company I had, and may still have somewhere, a book of Cornish songs which included 'One and All' and a version of 'The Tithe Pig'. I'll hava a look up the cupboard and see if it's still there. FC |
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30 Jan 05 - 11:44 AM (#1393289) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: breezy Cornish Dialect and Folk Songs by Ralph Dunston could well have used by Mr Penna, former teacher at Padstow Primary, Organist at St Petroc. He taught the kids 12 songs from it and they performed it publicly in 1990. My daughter was in the chorus, aged 10-11. I was given a copy by chance by another source shortly after and I was able to learn and perform The Tinners and once did Truro Agricultural Show R D also was editor of the Cornish Song Book Mo Keist ' Little Mo' to us sings Cornish Kitchen Cornish lads By Roger B is becoming more widely sung out of county. A new song to emerge is a song of Transportation to Slavery in Virginia by Ray Delf of Padstow Does Larry Mac's Queen of the May deserve inclusion, and also how about Steve Knightley's Cousin Jack? |
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30 Jan 05 - 11:51 AM (#1393300) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker just quickly while i get 10 mins on the internet.. my memory has been jogged about seeing Brenda Wooton live in the mid 70's when i was a teenager. I cant remembe why i liked her or even what her music sounded like [solo.. band.. ???] i'm fairly certain she had a regular tv spot at the time [fred wedlock show.. her own show..???] and was prominent for singing in cornish, maybe one of the last remaining fluent cornish speakers back then..? i've not been able to find any useful info on internet, so any info and links to sound files would be appreciated.. thanks.... |
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30 Jan 05 - 12:49 PM (#1393358) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Mr Happy Does anyone have dots or tab for 'Song of the Western Men/ Trelawney'? |
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30 Jan 05 - 07:58 PM (#1393753) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: hilda fish Bucca had Neil Davey and his wife Hilary. Ån Lader is Cornish translated into English. |
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30 Jan 05 - 08:39 PM (#1393795) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Malcolm Douglas Any further information about Ån Lader/The Robber? I can't be sure what song you mean just from those titles. A version of Newlyn (Newry) Town/Wild and Wicked Youth? I've come across a modern translation into Cornish of a Sovay text, set to a Robber tune, but presumably that isn't what was meant here? |
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30 Jan 05 - 09:30 PM (#1393833) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Mick Tems The late, great Bucca - not just Neil Davey but Merv Davey. Merv and his wife Alison form the duo Pyba (bagpipes and drum) and are the proud parents of the duo Scoot, who appeared at Cwlwm Celtaidd (the Welsh Celtic festival) at Porthcawl this year. Merv and Alison evolved the Perranporth festival, the lovely, magic Lowender Peran - would that I could go back there, I miss it so much. The Daveys live at the Cornish village of Withiel. |
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31 Jan 05 - 12:41 AM (#1393929) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: hilda fish Dr. Price are you Cornish/from Cornwall? Neil is a great personal friend along with his partner, Hilary. Sterenn, Merv & Ålison's daughter was staying with me while she was studying at Sydney Uni as an exchange student from Exeter. Neil lives at Carn ?rae near Redruth. Thus the question, are you Cornish? I've had severe exposure to Cornish music through many friends who are determined to revive both the language and the culture of this Celtic nation. The music and the dancing is an essential part of this cultural revival and the Davey's have been a very important part of that. |
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31 Jan 05 - 04:11 AM (#1394011) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Mingulay at work To Guest punkfolkrocker, Brenda Wooton appeared with a guitarist called John the Fish in the 60's/70's. A large lady with an even bigger personality and voice to match. My vinyl heap used to contain an LP, must check it out. She was very Cornish my handsome. |
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31 Jan 05 - 08:09 AM (#1394147) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: robinia I'd like to add my appreciation of "Trelawney" as a great song, with great historical roots. I first saw a slight modification of the chorus (i.e. "and shall Trelawney die and shall Trelawney die, then twenty thousand Cornishmen will know the reason why") printed in a history book as the reputed "marching cry" for the "men of the west" when James II imprisoned and threatened to behead six bishops (including Trelawney, from Cornwall) for refusing to read from the pulpit a Declaration of Indulgence (it would have allowed Catholics to hold public office!). This uprising did not in fact occur; it didn't have to, as the six bishops, tried for seditious libel, were acquitted "amid great popular enthusiasm"; and shortly thereafter, in the "Glorious revolution" of 1688 James fled the country. Anyway, reading all this I remember thinking what a great song that "marching cry" would make -- only to discover, when I got to Cornwall that (along with "the White Rose") it was practically the Cornish "national anthem"! Nobody remembered just what the song was about ("the closing of the tin mines?") but they loved its spirit. I guess you could call it Cornish chauvinism. There's also local pride (Cornwall versus neighboring Devon!) in another Cornish song with a great chorus: "For it's fish and tin and copper, boys, and tree and pol and pen, and one and all we may rejoice that we are Cornishmen" (which evidently includes the knife-wielding Cornish lass who sends "young Nicholas" fleeing back across the Tamar). That 's on a "Cornish Folk Song" cassette (Sue White and Gareth Hedges), along with the "Cadgwith Anthem" (sp?), "Lamorna," "Egloshalyle Ringers," the "Truro Agricultural Show," "Camborne Hill" . . . .Anyone know if those two are still singing? |
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31 Jan 05 - 10:50 AM (#1394307) Subject: Lyr Add: FISH AND TIN AND COPPER From: Bat Goddess Been meaning to learn this one for the past few years -- FISH AND TIN AND COPPER Old Nick as he was wont to do Went wanderin' up and down To see what mischief he could brew And made for Launceston-town. Chorus: For 'tis fish and tin and copper, boys, By Tre- and Pol- and Pen- And one and all, we may rejoice That we are Cornishmen. Across the Tamar he had come. Now you might think it strange. For having left his Devon home, Tried Cornwall for a change. Chorus Now when to Launceston he drew near A-skippin' o'er the sod, He spied a rustic cottage there With windows all a-broad. Chorus And in the kitchen might be seen A dame with knife in hand To cut and slash and chop I ween To make a pasty grand. Chorus "Good Mornin', Missus, what is that?" "Of all sorts, it is daub. 'Tis beef and mutton, pork and fat, Potatoes, leeks, and squab." Chorus "A Cornish pasty, sure", says she, "And if thou doesn't mind, I soon shall start to cut up thee And put ye in, you'll find!" Chorus In fear he turned and straight did flee Across the Tamar green And since that day in Cornwall He has never more been seen! Chorus |
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31 Jan 05 - 11:26 AM (#1394338) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,MMario yes - that is one I've been working on as well. |
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31 Jan 05 - 12:04 PM (#1394373) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Cats Last heard of Sue was living in Devon, making the occasional foray into our homeland, Cornwall, and Gareth was playing blues in USA. As far as I know they haven't played together for years. |
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31 Jan 05 - 12:10 PM (#1394381) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Bob Coltman I'm surprised no one has mentioned the gorgeous West Cornwall pub song, "Lamorna" ("Away Down to Lamorna"). I was stunned when I first heard the recording of this by an uncredited singer--it's the late great Cornish singer Brenda Wootton--on the following site. http://www.trelawnys-army.org.uk/ta/tasongs.html While the song is originally an English music hall number, there is a Cornish-language version. See discussion thread in the archive...I won't attempt to summon it as I'm afraid of losing this message. (Not real adept at making links I fear) Bob |
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31 Jan 05 - 07:33 PM (#1394986) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Snuffy Is that the Sue White who's now a stalwart of Bideford Folk Club, and is also into Border Morris dancing? "Lamorna" is originally an English music hall number about the Pomona pleasure gardens in Manchester and had bugger all to do with Cornwall until some deaf idots misheard the name, in the same way as Country & Western became "some c*** from Weston". |
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01 Feb 05 - 01:03 AM (#1395285) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: robinia Yes, "Lamorna" is obviously of English music hall origin and a great chorus (pub) song -- high time I learned it, if only to teach Americans to clap along with the "wet, wet, wet" in the chorus here: Twa-a-a-a-s [lo-o-o-ong lead-in] down in Albert Square, I never shall forget Her eyes they shone like diamonds And the evening it was wet, wet, wet; Her hair hung down in curls She was a charming rover And we ro'ed all night in the pale moonlight Away down to Lamorna Maybe someone else will post the verses? (about picking up a woman who turns out to be your wife -- the song manages to be both naughty and moral, very English somehow, so I almost forgot it was on my "Cornish" cassette). |
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01 Feb 05 - 04:10 AM (#1395363) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Marion in Cornwall Hi robinia, Lamorna has already been posted, along with a midi-file, just click on the link below (I hope!). Regards Marion Lamorna |
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01 Feb 05 - 08:55 AM (#1395535) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Snuffy Here's an older broadside version Lyr Add: DOWN TO POMONA |
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01 Feb 05 - 05:09 PM (#1396072) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Bob Coltman Thanks Snuffy for the Pomona post. Must say I've learned to tread carefully in traditional-music turf wars. Thus when I suggested the song "Lamorna" on 31 January I was careful to say it was of English music hall origin. I was then, and am now, aware of everything that's been said on the forum concerning its origin, pretty definitively, in the Manchester music hall, with Pomona Gardens, and a possible London stage career as well. In short, I was aware that "Lamorna" did not originate in Cornwall, and maybe should have been a little more expansive on the point. But I didn't think I needed to; it had all been said already. But this isn't the first time I've run into "song rage" over whom this song in particular "belongs to." So I want to ask what the problem is. Is there a Manchester contingent feeling cheated of its song? I doubt it. Nobody seems to argue over competing variants of other songs going native in other places...say, Streets of Laredo being more or less valid than "The Bad Girl." Would anybody much mind if a version turned up called "Streets of Nogales," or attempt to argue that it has "bugger all" to do with either? I guess this goes to the heart of what the folk process is about... Help, help, I hope we're not about to slap a lid on creative change, because folks, when you do that, you just left the world of traditional song. Must say I was surprised by the comeback, and hope we can be a touch more gentle with each other. But maybe that's me. Confrontation suits some folks' style, but I for one would rather endlessly repeat for the benefit of those who don't know than slam a newcomer making a contribution however uninformed. Pomona? Lamorna? I happen to sing the less original Lamorna version because, all honors to Manchester and Pomona, I like Lamorna better. I don't really think I need a better reason, where two competing versions, each equally traditional, are available. The DT and Forum were built on the spirit of inquiry and gently helpful interchange...and for the most part that still happens. Those of you interested in the topic may want to sample the Jerry Rasmussen-originated (hi Jerry) "Has the Folk Community Changed" thread. Bob Bob |
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01 Feb 05 - 07:40 PM (#1396273) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Snuffy Sorry if you found my contributions confrontational, Bob: they were not meant to be. If you look in the other thread, you'll find I say that whatever it's origins may have been, Lamorna now is a Cornish song. The fact that it has achieved Cornishness by naturalisation rather than by birth may well be known to both you and me, and has been said already in the other thread. You say I for one would rather endlessly repeat for the benefit of those who don't know slam a newcomer making a contribution however uninformed - that was my intention here, to repeat, not to slam. And like you, I think a century of folk processing has produced an improvement on the original. But the original is still the original. |
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02 Feb 05 - 10:20 AM (#1396763) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Padstow Pete I love unite and unite cos lots of folk get the tune wrong |
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02 Feb 05 - 04:34 PM (#1397049) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Cats Except those of us who only sing it in Padstow on May Day. 'Oss 'Oss |
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02 Feb 05 - 07:43 PM (#1397263) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Com Seangan Nothing further to say but that I am delighted that the old Cornish songs in their nown Celtic language still survives. Their language "P" Celtic belongs to the Welsh family rather than the "Q" variety of the Scots and Irish. |
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02 Feb 05 - 08:18 PM (#1397285) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Hawker If you want Cornish tunes, as well as those mentioned by Cats, try Fooch! Favourite Cornish Session and dance tunes Vol1 chosen and played by Neil Davey. Excellent - it comes with an accompanying CD which plays the tune at a slower speed first then at session speed! Great for musical novices like myself. Songs - Well! My wounderful husband Kevin Burrow has been singing Cornish songs since he could sing. He knows lots of them. He learned in the oral tradition and so his original was the person what he learned it off (whose original was probably who they learned it off etc. so what was the original.... or did you mean the taken down version snuffy?) Sorry to be a bit picky about that Snuffy darling, but I do feel quite strongly that as a living tradition, we must accept each persons interpretation.... so long as it bears semblance of the original - no matter which we prefer! Hope to see you at Miskin. perhaps we can have a Cornish singaround and see who runs out first ...... That'll be me I guess, being an emmet. There is a song penned by myself about NOT being Cornish and living in Cornwall called The Emmet Song. I am a little concerned that Ian Marshall thinks he is the only person in Cornwall taking Cornish song singing seriously - although we tend not to be too serious when we are singing! Perhaps he ought to get out a little ;0) I also agree that Moe Keast doesnt get the credit she deserves, then there is Vic and Viv Legg, Thorn & Roses / Sylvia & Rowena, All of the Cornwall Songwriters, and a huge amount of other people all very very proud not just of the songs but that they are able to sing them. Cheers, Lucy |
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02 Feb 05 - 11:53 PM (#1397446) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Padstow Pete Yes "Cats" very true, though I don't mind the visitors gettin the tune wrong as long as they bloody well try it and not just gawk. Wee 'Oss. |
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03 Feb 05 - 08:41 AM (#1397759) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Snuffy Lucy, It looks to me that people are getting on their high horses and reading into my posts things that just aren't there. Nowhere do I express any opinion whatsoever on what people should or should not sing - I restricted myself to factual matters about where the song came from. My point was merely that, in a discussion on Cornish Songs it was relevant to point out that this song started off without the slightest trace of Cornishness, and only acquired it by the accidental or deliberate change of Pomona to Lamorna. By this change it has come to be perceived by both Cornish people and the world at large as a Cornish song Once a song enters the tradition it can develop in surprising ways, and only a fool would try to proscribe this development on grounds of purity: let a thousand flowers bloom. By the original I referred to the song as the writer made it, whether in 1594, 1894 or 1994 - in the state it was at the very start of the chain, not at any other stage in its transmission. I do not, and probably never will, sing the Pomona version. However, I have for years sung Lamorna and intend to continue doing so for many years to come. But I also reserve the right to point out when I sing it that it is only Cornish by adoption and used to come from much further north! See you at Miskin, if not before - I'm down for breakfast kitchen skivvy again. Who knows, I might get promoted to plongeur |
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03 Feb 05 - 12:22 PM (#1398025) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Hawker Snuffs, stop getting sniffy, you know I'm always a little tongue in cheek, not having a go at all, and if I hadn't said it you can guarantee somebody else would - just like your comment about Pomona - I just enjoy singing and you do sing 'em well! You can dry my dishes and I'll dry yours - perhaps we can write that dishwashing shanty we all kept on about all weekendsee you soon, Cheers, Lucy |
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04 Feb 05 - 08:17 AM (#1398826) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Snuffy You mean yellow marigolds instead of blood red roses? And we can compare our Cornish versions of oxen ploughing. |
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04 Feb 05 - 02:46 PM (#1399210) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Tradsinger One of my favourite Cornish songs is "Maggie May", not the sea-shanty one but the sentimental one "My darling witchy Maggie". Lovely song. I also love the singing style in Cornwall, i.e. unaccompanied part singing, plus the way they bring in new songs and make them sound Cornish, such as "Da doo ron ron" and "Sloop John B". I heard a great rendition of "The Rose" in the London Inn last Padstow - unaccompanied and sung in parts of course. There are also the great songs that Larry McLoughlin of Padstow is writing, especially "Queen of the May" which has entered into oral tradition in Padstow. Gwilym |
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04 Feb 05 - 04:13 PM (#1399316) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Onlooker Someone asked what had happened to Sue White - as far as I know she is still around and singing, although the last I heard she was intending to live abroad -whether this is now the case I know not. She does, however, have a website which might give more info. At present can't remember what the address is, but the words Cornishsinger will probably find it on Google! |
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07 Feb 05 - 05:19 AM (#1401431) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Colin Roberts I'm a Cornishman now living in Australia. I'm looking for words and music to a range of Cornish folk songs I can sing and play on guitar. Can anyone help? Colin |
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07 Feb 05 - 05:41 PM (#1401924) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Mary Humphreys The best version of Maggie May that I have heard is sung by Moe Keast, who can be heard at Bodmin Folk Club most Fridays. She also sings in Cornish. I don't know if she has ever recorded her songs. Mary |
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08 Feb 05 - 02:19 PM (#1402745) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: BB Moe got her version from Charlie Bate. Barbara |
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08 Feb 05 - 06:20 PM (#1403041) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Cats Mo has recorded some of her songs, Mike O'Connor put them down for her at Lyngham House Music. Colin - I suggest you log on to the Lyngham House website where you will find lists of books which Mike has collated and published as well as his own work and that of Cornwall Songwriters. You'll find plenty there. |
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15 Feb 05 - 07:23 PM (#1411167) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST i THINK you mean janner not jagger. We still say Janner to mean farmer od in the RN to mean Cornishman. I've nevder hear anyone say Jagger in 24 years but we still refer to farmers as bring 'bleddy janner's" |
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28 May 05 - 03:20 PM (#1495088) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Rene Fascinating page. Enjoyed all the argy-bargy, but learned a lot. Why does Richard Guest suddenly post `Cadgwith Anthem` and `Floral Dance?` I couldn`t see relevance to earlier posts. I`ll wait patiently for a reply, as the site seems to come alive only every few months. X |
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31 May 05 - 06:12 PM (#1496935) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Sue the Borderer Just came across this thread and read Snuffy's question of 31st Jan about 'Sue White'. No - there are two of us. I'm the Bideford one and into Border Morris. The 'other one' was on the scene long before me. It took me a while - and some very blank looks on my part when I got asked strange questions - to discover there were 'two of us'. Sue White |
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27 Jan 06 - 02:43 PM (#1656618) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,cornish man ooooaaaarrrrr does anyone know the lyrics to truro agiricultral show |
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27 Jan 06 - 03:00 PM (#1656630) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Cats If you go to www.an-daras.com/music you will find it along with the historical background and the dots. This is a good source for cornish songs. |
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27 Jan 06 - 07:33 PM (#1656747) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: breezy yes, and its on my 4th Volume made in 1989 along with the Tinner Boys 'So its off to Truro we must go to se the agericultural show' that one Sunday St Albans at the Comfort Hotel. Windward folk Club. main attraction the delightful Liz Somcock down boys |
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27 Jan 06 - 07:34 PM (#1656748) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: breezy Ahem Liz Simcock thank you |
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27 Jan 06 - 07:42 PM (#1656753) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: breezy its the cornish in me ever had any in you? |
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28 Jan 06 - 07:41 AM (#1657003) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: Lady Nancy What about "the Ascott of Tetcott" which is a hunting song wherein the fox gets his revenge.... And it mentions places like Whitstone, Poundstock, St Ghennys (apologies for spelling if wrong) Ive got the words and the tune, but am actually missing two lines.... Used to sing it in the late '70s in a harmony group. Good song. But is it the right county? Lady Nancy x |
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28 Jan 06 - 01:14 PM (#1657128) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: BB Great song, even if it is 'ARscott of Tetcott', rather than 'Ascott'. Tetcott is actually just in Devon, but Whitstone, Poundstock and St. Gennys are just over the border in Cornwall. Jim Causley has recorded it, and sings it really well. (Wish we'd got there first!) There's also a song called 'The St. Gennys Hunt', although I can't remember the details just now. Barbara |
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25 Mar 08 - 08:32 AM (#2297146) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Jim I lived in Cornwall for some 7 years but, long before that, my misspent youth included regular Saturday evening visits to Cecil Sharpe House where I also heard Jack and Margaret King's rendition of "Gor Bugger Jagger". On the subject of "The Oggie Man", I have often wondered at the several interesting similarities between that song and "Die Leiermann" from "Die Winterreisse". |
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25 Mar 08 - 09:00 AM (#2297170) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: GUEST,Phil Beer The aforementioned Cornish song book, although not really containing a vast amount of 'traditional' material is still a great place to go. I was born in Devon in 1953 but my mun is a Tonkin from Falmouth and we spent a large amount of our early years in Cornwall. My family are also Methodists and very musical and we actually did used to spend time around the piano as a family singing songs from the book. I recently was in Falmouth clearing out my aged Aunts house and found her copy which is in far better condition than mine. We also took charge of the fine old broadwood upright which now resides in my sisters house for another generation of of kids to learn music on. I've just been working with Exeter singer Dave Lowrey who aslo has a great affection for the book and has recorded 'The Cornish Smuggler' from it. In conversation with Cyril Tawney before he passed away, he also indicated a similar early exposure to music in precisely same way. There are plenty of copies still to be found if you search the old bookshops. Might base an album around it one day--- |
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25 Mar 08 - 09:13 AM (#2297179) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: kimsky if you visit the Elowen myspace page, you'll find 2 contemporary Cornish songs - Oll an Gerriow/Noze Looan is widely played (not so widely sung) enjoy http://www.myspace.com/elowenfolk I know - shameless self-promotion! |
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25 Mar 08 - 10:16 AM (#2297226) Subject: RE: CORNISH SONGS From: thimblerigg Having spent several years researching the songs collected by the Rev Sabine Baring-Gould, I have followed a Cornish thread that has led me to songs that as far as I know are not shall we say in common usage at present. These are being added to a growing pile that I am convinced are unique to Cornwall. The folk site www.wovenwheatwhispers.co.uk published an article I wrote titled 'Songs Unique to Cornwall'. Since writing the aricle which was based around the songs from my CD 'By Chance it Was', I am this year starting to perform the newly found songs here in Cornwall. I am convinced there must be other sources, as Phil Beer says check out the book shops somewhere there must be some unsung gems waiting for an airing |
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25 Mar 08 - 04:28 PM (#2297541) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: Celtaddict On our side of the Pond, Jim Wearne is still going strong, is a Bard of the Cornish Gorseth, and has a new website address Jim Wearne's Cornish Page |
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25 Mar 08 - 04:33 PM (#2297544) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: Leadfingers 100 ?? |
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25 Mar 08 - 08:30 PM (#2297660) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: Hawker Just spent the evening singing NEW Cornish songs - rehearsing for the NEW Cornwall songwriters show 'Cornish Lads' which goes on the road at the end of May 2008. Bookings being taken now! Click this image to find out more! Cheers, Lucy |
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05 Sep 08 - 11:26 AM (#2431890) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST,Jo W I saw the new cornwall songwriters show ' cornish lads' at Bideford and they were brilliant! |
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05 Sep 08 - 07:22 PM (#2432270) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: Hawker Thank you Jo, It was a great show for us too, with such a receptive and responsive audience! We did it at Looe last night for Dehwelans (Cornish for Homecoming) and it rained and rained, we go home without having to swim, but there were some BIG puddles! Cheers, Lucy (Bal maiden!) |
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06 Sep 08 - 04:21 AM (#2432445) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: Crowdercref W is water the bane of the mine... oops sorry, wrong thread. |
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21 Nov 08 - 01:03 PM (#2499422) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST,frank Can anyone help me ? I am seeking the words and music to the song "proper job", sung by the Holman Climax choir, thanks |
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21 Nov 08 - 11:12 PM (#2499788) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: Cats I've e mailed the secretary for you to find out. |
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22 Nov 08 - 05:40 PM (#2500306) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST,dizzyLisa I've posted a video on youTube of Mike Nicholson singing Roger Bryant's beautiful Cornish Lads with Hartley Morris Men http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BUkAxP5GysM I don't think the hyperlink works tho ! |
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22 Nov 08 - 10:27 PM (#2500474) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST,David Jones, Guest Does anyone have the words to Crantock Games? I think it is a Cornish song. David Jones |
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23 Nov 08 - 03:27 AM (#2500529) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: alanabit Always one to be a bit of a spoilsport, I would like to make one or two comments about "The Song of the Western Men" or "Trelawney", as it is better known. It is indeed very popular in Cornwall - especially with male voice choirs. However, although it is about events in 1688, it was not written until 1824, by Robert Hawker, whom I believe, was Devonian clergyman. It has got a great tune and a rousing chorus. Undoubtedly it has been adopted with some relish by the Cornish. Now I'm not saying it is not Cornish now, but its ethnic roots could be called into question... |
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23 Nov 08 - 01:18 PM (#2500619) Subject: Lyr Add: PROPER JOB From: Cats Frank I have the words for you from the secretary of the choir. Proper Job Is there a land where cream is cream and where a man has time to dream? Is there a place where peace is peace and where the race for change can cease? Is there a coast where cliffs are cliffs folk never talk in buts and ifs? Can I escape this crazy stress? Hear the Cornish answer, 'Yes!' Proper job! First you cross the Tamar Proper job! Sea breeze in your face! Devon may be touchy Cornwall is a Duchy Proper job! Kernow is the place Proper job! When the Lord made Cornwall Proper job! Granite built with grace Charm in every corner Launceston to Lamorna! Proper job! Kernow is the place. Shades of miners Tough hand liners mighty man born There in Camborne Made an engine fine and fitty 'n if you must, then down in Truro town - There's a city Proper job! Take a stroll up Fore Street Proper job! Pasty in your hand Saffron sweet and spicy have a bit of nicey! Proper job! Kernow is the land. It is credited to Richards and Dearlove |
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23 Nov 08 - 07:29 PM (#2500768) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: Hawker Alanabit, Now I am sure you are not trying to mke ripples on the waters of fair Cornwall ;0) Yes Devonian Rev Hawker was, but I believe that a person is said to be Cornish if Born there, well if this were true for songs, the song was penned in the county of Cornwall - granted the father (writer) was a devonian, but definately a song of cornish inspiration! LOL Cheers, Lucy |
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25 Nov 08 - 09:52 AM (#2501165) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST,John from Elsie`s Band Davy Jones Guest, "Crantock Games" is one of the songs from our repertoire and I have an mp3 recording on the computer of Tony and Iris doing it. If you could tell me in words of one syllable how to do it I will willingly put it in this thread. |
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09 Jan 09 - 11:48 AM (#2536112) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST,Cornish I am terribly sorry to have to correct you but that would be Cornish not English |
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09 Jan 09 - 12:26 PM (#2536149) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: greg stephens ??? |
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09 Jan 09 - 01:36 PM (#2536248) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: breezy there'll be a Breeze in yer face alright |
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25 Jan 09 - 07:17 AM (#2548599) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST,frank Dear alanabit, I`m sure you are right about the reverend Walker, but the words of the song ar "Theres twenty thousand CORNISHMEN will know the reason why", I think he meant it to be a cornish song, don`t you? |
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25 Jan 09 - 07:21 AM (#2548604) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST,doc.tom Or even CORNISH BOLD - depends which choir! |
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01 Mar 09 - 10:44 AM (#2578553) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST Actually Hawker did NOT write the original: "Except for the refrain, the exact original words of the song are lost. Those given here are based on a 'restoration' written (c.1835) by the Rev. R.S. Hawker, of Whitstone, near Stratton, who died in 1875. In 1688, the Trelawney Song is said to have resounded in every house, in every highway, and in every street in Cornwall." This comes from the Cornish Song Book, 1929, along with three versions of the song, one in Cornish language written by Henry Jenner. |
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17 Dec 09 - 03:37 PM (#2790635) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST Cornish Alfabet was song by Brenda Wootton on one of her LP's lovely lady I had the pleasure of knowing sadly missed gerry |
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18 Dec 09 - 12:49 PM (#2791339) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: open mike I caught this t.v. show on PBS recently. apparently filmed in 2004 it is of a Cornish choir, descendants of miners who worked the gold mines in California. Huell Howser is a t.v. reporter who has a series on california http://www.calgold.com/calgold/Default.asp?Series=Specials&Show=788 CORNISH CHRISTMAS In this holiday special, Huell celebrates the holidays with the descendants of the original Cornish Carol Choir of Grass Valley. Join them as they reenact their 1940 concert of traditional Cornish Christmas Carols, which took place 2,000 feet below ground in a gold mine, and was broadcast nationally on network radio. |
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26 Sep 10 - 11:18 AM (#2993960) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST,Sue White Hi folks! I am alive and well and still singing! Lots of Cornish songs, as well as Irish and Scottish. Music available from www.kesson.com + new website, http://sites.google.com/site/suewhittonytaylor Old website:- www.cornishsinger.com |
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26 Sep 10 - 12:29 PM (#2993991) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST,Sue White Sorry! Can't type on my i-phone. New website is http://sites.google.com/site/suewhitetonytaylor Regards, everyone. |
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26 Sep 10 - 12:42 PM (#2993996) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST,Sue White I have just read through this thread, and have really enjoyed it all. I have used the Baring Gould Book "Songs of the West" - and another book given to me by Jack Spurr, a Cornishman from Calstock way, "Cornish Ditties" I think it was called - for years, and based many of the songs on my CD "Best of Cornish Folksongs" from material in that book. Like Phil Beer I have used song books like that to sing from, since childhood. In my childhood it was family gatherings on a Friday night, and always with guitars, whistles and lots of humour (I was born in 1953 too Phil!)- in my native county of Essex. Arscot of Tetcott was a song I found in "The Songs of the West", and which I also recorded and put on CD in the early 90s. So I did it a while before Jim C. (but a very modern take on it - not very folkie) Another source for me was the singing of the Male Voice Choirs. Those lads are a mine of information on all songs Cornish. I loved my time living in Cornwall (from 1978 until 1996) and am still trying to escape Devon and get back! |
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27 Sep 10 - 06:20 AM (#2994348) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: I don't know Just seen this thread & was pleased to see people asking about Brenda Wooton. A lovely lady who sung not only with John the Fish but with Mike Silver. I saw her with Mike in 1976 at the Applegate folk club in Castle Hedingham. Essex. Only my second folk night. My husband had been to her home in Cornwall when Jasper Carrot had been at a club night & they all went back for supper, he said Jasper never spoke a word except please & thank you & didn't even join in the sing a round. The only album we have of hers is Cornish songs of the sea. If there are others may be someone can let us know & we can maybe get copies. |
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17 Oct 10 - 07:10 PM (#3009462) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST,Ian Cook @ Sue White Did the Jack Spurr who gave you the book used to run a guest house in Wadebridge? |
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18 Oct 10 - 11:10 AM (#3009837) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: Desert Dancer There's a Wikipedia page for Brenda Wootton, with this discography: * Piper's Folk with John the Fish & Piper's Folk, (Private pressing, produced & distributed by Piper's Folk), 1968 * Pasties & Cream with John the Fish, Sentinel Records, SENS 1006, 1971 * Way Down to Lamorna, Sentinel, SENS 1056, 1972 * Crowdy Crawn with Richard Gendall, Sentinel, SENS 1016, 1973 * Pamplemousse, with Robert Bartlett, Barclay (French label), 1973 * No Song To Sing, with Robert Bartlett and "guest" Alex Atterson on piano - Sentinel, SENS 1021, 1974 * Tin In The Stream, with Robert Bartlett, Stockfisch (German label), 1974 (voted West Germany's folk album of the year) * Starry Gazey Pie, with Robert Bartlett, Sentinel, SENS 1031, 1975 * Children Singing, with Richard Gendall, Sentinel, SENS 1036, 1976 * Carillon, Transatlantic Records, TRA 360, 1979 * Boy Jan ... Cornishman, with David Penhale (voice, guitar & bouzouki) and Richard Gendall (composer), Burlington Records, BURL 005, 1980[3] * La Grande Cornouaillaise, Burlington Records, BURL 007, 1980 * Gwavas Lake, with The Four Lanes Male Choir, Burlington Records, BURL 008, 1980 * Lyonesse, RCA, PL 70299, 1982 * My Land, RCA, PL 70234, 1983 * B Comme Brenda, Disc'AZ (French label), AZ 494, 1985 * The Voice of Cornwall, Keltia Music KMCD67, 1996 ~ Becky in Tucson |
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18 Oct 10 - 01:58 PM (#3009969) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: John Foxen The wonderful Brenda Wootton used to sing a song about a nasty character who got his comeuppance. It had a chorus that I remember (probably badly) as: "Serve you right you wicked old man - the devil catch you if he can." Can anyone come up with the title/lyrics/tune? |
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25 Feb 11 - 12:16 AM (#3102386) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST,Frank Siegle Does anyone have "Three Knights" ("Tri Marghack") with Cornish lyrics. Or does anyone know where it might be attained. I have the English, but I also sing in Cornish (and the other Celtic languages) and would very much like to sing the song in Cornish. Thanks. |
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25 Feb 11 - 05:28 AM (#3102474) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: scouse A great Cornish Song..... Egloshale Ringers. Come all you ringers good and bold,come listen to my peel, I'll tell you of five Ringers brave that lived in Egloshale, They bear the sway in any array,where ever they chance to go, Good music of melodious Bells is their delight to show. The foreman gives the signal,he steps along with toe, He casts his eye about them all and gives them sign to go, Away they pull with courage full,the heart it doth revive, To hear them swing and music bring,one,two three,four and five. Theirs Craddock the Corwainer first that rings the treble Bell, The second is John Ellery and none may him excel, The third is Thomas Carpenter,the forth is Thomas Cleave, Goodfellow is the tenorman that rings them round so brave. They went up to Lanlivery they brought away the prize, And then they went to San Turdy and there they did likewise, There's Stattenmen,Saint Maybenmen,Saint Issy and Saint Kew, But the five lads of Egloshale did all the rest outdo. Now to conclude my merry task,the Sovereigns health we'll join, Stand every man I'll pass the flask and drink his health in wine, And here's to Craddock,Ellery and here's to Thomas Cleave, To Pollack and the Tenorman that rings them round so brave. As Aye, Phil. |
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25 Feb 11 - 09:05 AM (#3102574) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: Cats St Tudy not San Turdy St Mabyn Men not Saint Maybeenmen Stratton Men not Stattenmen and lastly it's Egloshayle Hope this helps |
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25 Feb 11 - 10:20 AM (#3102612) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: Hawker LOVE IT!!!!! San TURDY!!!! ROFL |
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21 Nov 11 - 12:22 PM (#3260966) Subject: Recording Cornish Songs From: GUEST,Lanreath Film and Recording Studio Hi all, I'm not Cornish, but have lived in Cornwall for five years now. Sang folk all my life, and now sing Cornish folk songs and love them. Having recently retired as an International Filmmaker I now have a small and private film and recording studio at my home near Looe. Anyone wanting to record folk songs, or any other songs for that matter, check out my website and get in touch - www.lanreathstudio.co.uk |
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05 Sep 19 - 04:39 AM (#4007417) Subject: RE: Corniish Kitchen From: GUEST,Terry To Marion, You posted a note to Pete on 14th June 04 saying you could put the abc of the tune if anyone’s interested, I am part of a group that meets and sings traditional Cornish songs and would very much like to get the tune Many Thanks Terry |
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06 Sep 19 - 04:55 AM (#4007531) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: Telvis Does anyone have the tune to In a Cornish Kitchen, I believe Marion in Cornwall may have it from a post dated 14 June 04 |
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18 Sep 19 - 07:17 AM (#4009411) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: Telvis Hi Marion, Do you have the music for ‘Cornish Kitchen |
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21 Jan 22 - 05:48 PM (#4133201) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST,Denzil John Asche I was told it had been translated into Cornish from Breton. |
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22 Jan 22 - 12:15 PM (#4133296) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: GUEST Shining down on Sennen (Martyn Wyndham-Read & Iris Bishop) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUdf3qCdC8A |
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24 Jan 22 - 01:09 PM (#4133637) Subject: RE: Cornish Songs From: Lurcherman Hi, for those who are interested in Cornish songs it’s worth looking for the songs of Harry Glasson which includes Cornwall my Home, sung at every gathering of Cornish folk and pub session. |