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14 Apr 02 - 06:22 PM (#690023) Subject: Doc Watson and Sea Shanties?? From: Morticia What's the deal between the Doc's "Hold the Woodpile Down" ( On the Legacy album) and this "Roll the Woodpile Down" .... right here Was he a shantyman in a previous existence? |
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14 Apr 02 - 11:44 PM (#690183) Subject: RE: BS: Doc Watson and Sea Shanties?? From: Marc I'm not familiar with the recording, but the thread title sure caught my eye. This question certainly deserves to be at the top of the list again. |
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15 Apr 02 - 12:26 AM (#690199) Subject: RE: BS: Doc Watson and Sea Shanties?? From: Amos Is that actually a shanty song? It has the rhythm for it, but it could be about several other things, as well -- the lyrics are kind of ambiguous, to me. A |
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15 Apr 02 - 01:03 AM (#690210) Subject: RE: BS: Doc Watson and Sea Shanties?? From: Les B I think Uncle Dave Macon did "Hold the Woodpile Down" way before Doc - back in the late 1920's. As a kid, Uncle Dave lived in a boarding house which catered to vaudeville people. That's supposedly where he got his minstrel oriented material. Doc has covered a lot of the great old tunes from Uncle Dave, Charlie Poole, etc. You could probably ask a similar question about "Shenandoah" (The Wide Missouri)with its combination of middle-American indian maidens, trappers, and then the odd seaman type verses. Folk songs move, who knows which way - sea to land, or land to sea ?? |
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15 Apr 02 - 03:29 AM (#690234) Subject: RE: BS: Doc Watson and Sea Shanties?? From: Peter Kasin Stan Hugill has Roll The Woodpile Down as a capstan chantey, a seagoing variant of the African American song Haul The Woodpile Down. Hold The Woodpile Down could well be a variant of Haul, etc. chanteyranger |
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15 Apr 02 - 04:22 AM (#690242) Subject: RE: BS: Doc Watson and Sea Shanties?? From: masato sakurai Posted & discussed in previous threads too.
Lyr Add: Hold the Woodpile Down
Chords: Roll the Woodpile Down? ~Masato |
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15 Apr 02 - 07:45 AM (#690328) Subject: RE: BS: Doc Watson and Sea Shanties?? From: BanjoRay Another classic example is Hogeye Man - a well known sea chanty and an equally well known Appalachian song from about as far from the sea as you'd want to get. My feeling is that both traditions got some of their raw materials from the touring minstrels in the earlyish 19th century. Cheers |
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15 Apr 02 - 01:11 PM (#690591) Subject: RE: BS: Doc Watson and Sea Shanties?? From: GUEST Nice notes! |
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15 Apr 02 - 09:15 PM (#690877) Subject: RE: BS: Doc Watson and Sea Shanties?? From: Rick Fielding Read from an old Sing-Out today about Woody Guthrie's recording of "What Does The Deep Sea Say". They said he must have learned it from his Merchant Marine overseas excursions! Pretty funny. If he didn't learn it from the very popular Monroe Brothers recording (he listened to tons of Monroes, Jimmy Rogers, and Carter Family) I'd be pretty surprised. Cheers Rick |
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16 Apr 02 - 05:51 AM (#691104) Subject: RE: BS: Doc Watson and Sea Shanties?? From: Hrothgar Why shouldn't Doc Watson do shanties? He had the voice for it. Dunno if the guitar would always be necessary, though. |