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30 Dec 02 - 11:49 PM (#855756) Subject: Latin Query From: InOBU Hi Folks... I need a wee Latin translation for a work in progress... how does one say in Latin... "Pretentious, ME!?" Gratius... Larry |
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31 Dec 02 - 12:19 AM (#855763) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: Haruo Cras, Laurenti... Haruo |
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31 Dec 02 - 12:40 AM (#855773) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: Amos Deda teaches the stuff -- PM her for a sure bet if no answer appears here. A |
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31 Dec 02 - 01:06 AM (#855779) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: GUEST,Marcus Didius Falco Gloriosus sum. |
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31 Dec 02 - 01:35 AM (#855782) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: mack/misophist Falco: Your Mother wants you home at once. Your wife is there too. |
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31 Dec 02 - 05:46 AM (#855819) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: InOBU I believe Marcus has the likely sounding answer! THanks, Larry |
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31 Dec 02 - 09:03 AM (#855881) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: Amos The irony of the line -- "Pretentious---MOI???" is lost in the simple statement "I am vainglorious". Guess it depends on how precise you need it! A |
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31 Dec 02 - 11:15 AM (#855959) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: Hippie Chick simulo, simulare simulavi simulatum - to make like; to imitate, copy represent; to pretend, feign, counterfeit, simulate, assume the appearance of. Langenscheid's Pocket Latin Dictionary |
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31 Dec 02 - 12:09 PM (#855994) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: Amos Quod -- me simularens? LOL! A |
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31 Dec 02 - 12:37 PM (#856025) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: SINSULL How about: Simularens...ego? Although simularens just doesn't do it. And my dictionaries are packed...STILL! |
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31 Dec 02 - 12:41 PM (#856029) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: GUEST,Marcus Didius Falco Amos, you are close to what Lorcan wants, but the problem is that the Romans didn't seem to have that type of reflexive humor. Questioning a man's image of himself would end with knives in the alley, wielded by hired bully boys. Not that 99 44/100 of the audience would know that. Simulo has more the meaning of pretend. (Falco is the name of an informer-private eye in a series of humorous mysteries set in ancient Rome, written by Lindsey Davis) |
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31 Dec 02 - 12:44 PM (#856033) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: Amos Thanks, Diddlus! Falco I know -- love the books. P'raps the expostulation should just be "Simulo??!!!!!" -- (you say I am pretending?). Close as it's gonna get unless little sister has some deeper wisdom about it. A |
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31 Dec 02 - 01:51 PM (#856091) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: McGrath of Harlow I have no doubt that irony was as prevalant then as it is now, esopecially among subject peoples. Most people speaking Latin weren't Romans. (Now why does that thought sound familiar?) Classical Latin used to go in for signalling the expected answer when asking questions. On the face of it this would seen to mark a rejection of irony - but no doubt this very factor would have been exlpoited by someone with an ironical intent. "Am I not Modest?" - "Nonne impudicus sum?" (Expecting the answer "Yes".) "Surely I am not pretentious?" "Num adrogans sum?" (Expecting the answer No.) |
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31 Dec 02 - 02:24 PM (#856108) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: Deda The participle for simulo should be simulans, with an "a", first conjugation. Here are possibilities. Ne simulo quidem. -- I don't even pretend. Humilior equidem sum -- surely I'm too modest. I think this conveys some of the sarcasm that's wanted. Cicero could be incredibly sardonic and ironic, and extremely witty and fast, but it would take a much greater scholar than I am to guess how he would put this. What I don't hink they did was ask a question (me?) as a way of sarcastically conveying "never!". Alii simulant, certe -- ego, numquam. Some people pretend, sure. Me, never. Then you can plug in other adjectives or verbs -- alii ostentationem agunt, certe -- ego numquam. Some people show off (display ostentation), sure -- me, never. |
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31 Dec 02 - 02:27 PM (#856111) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: Cluin "Etentiouspray, EMAY!?" |
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31 Dec 02 - 02:46 PM (#856119) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: InOBU Actually, here is the context... I recieved a rather pretentious note, wherein the writer peppered his letter with Latin (being that the writer was my brother who remembered my poor latin marks fourty some years back... well... ) anyway there was the old joke from Faulty Towers... where the punchline was the fellow said, Pretentious, MOI?... so my reply to my brother's latin pretentiousness (he speaks 18 languages...) was to say that when one makes a point by peppering one's writing with Latin phrases, one should be ready to say, "Pretentious? SUM?!" Thanks to all, Pax et solis Larry |
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31 Dec 02 - 03:31 PM (#856165) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: fat B****rd Outstanding, Cluin...outstanding. Igpay atinlay ulesray. |
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31 Dec 02 - 03:33 PM (#856167) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: fat B****rd PS Appyhay oonay earyay omfre Atfay Astardbay |
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02 Jan 03 - 12:31 AM (#857030) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: Haruo Sermo porculorum regit! Sorry I didn't get back to you as promised, Larry, but it looks like others took up the slack. Happy New Year Haruo |
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02 Jan 03 - 04:09 AM (#857072) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: Jeremiah McCaw I must confess to great curiosity: how would you fine Latin scholars translate the phrase/motto: "The truth - wherever it may lead"? |
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03 Jan 03 - 03:35 PM (#857942) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: Deda Veritas -- quocumque ducit. |
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03 Jan 03 - 03:40 PM (#857947) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: jeffp Can anyone give me the English for "Sub pondere sursum"? I ran across it as supposedly our family motto. Thanks in advance! Jeffp |
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03 Jan 03 - 04:03 PM (#857960) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: GUEST,Q Taking a guess, just to see if I remember anything- Onward, after consideration. |
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03 Jan 03 - 04:38 PM (#857977) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: Willa Onwards, beneath oppression. |
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03 Jan 03 - 04:39 PM (#857979) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: Willa Sorry; sursum is upwards, so Upwards, under oppression |
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03 Jan 03 - 05:02 PM (#857996) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: GUEST,Q pondus, ponderis: weight (real or opressive) pondero-are: consider, weigh sursum: up, upwards, (onward). Easy to go wrong on these mottos when your Latin training was over 50 years ago. The first is a noun, the second a verb. Willa is right. |
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03 Jan 03 - 05:28 PM (#858019) Subject: RE: Latin Query From: Richard Bridge Anyone remember Mad magazine? Quid me anxius sum? (Alfred E. Neuman) |
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05 Jan 03 - 09:48 AM (#859139) Subject: RE: BS: Latin Query From: Wilfried Schaum The original question: Pretentious? As Larry points out, his friend shows off his learning in using Latin quotations. There is a fine classical verb for it, viz. ostentare, and such a person is an ostentator, in English: ostentatious. My solution: Ostentator? Num ego? The Alfred E. Newman question: Quid? Num me sollicitum? or Num me dolorem capere? The auxiliary esse is mostly left out in classical use. Here the a.c.i. is chosen, dependent on an omitted putes (potential conjunctive). Wilfried |
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06 Jan 03 - 09:18 AM (#859722) Subject: RE: BS: Latin Query From: jeffp Thanks a bunch, folks. "Upwards, under oppression" I like it. |
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06 Jan 03 - 06:48 PM (#860169) Subject: RE: BS: Latin Query From: Richard Bridge Mad Magazine actually had a cover with their chosen Latin version - as I quoted it. I think it maybe makes the point that in polemic what is understood may be more important than what is said - but InOBU's question is not affected by this and he needs a grammatically and linguistically precise text to rebuke his "learned" relative. |