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25 Jul 02 - 07:44 AM (#754318) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors From: GUEST,Philippa Lagan Love - lyrics by Joseph Campbell - two sets of lyrics in the 2002 Digital Tradition, one unattributed. ♪Mo Ghile Mear - original Irish Gaelic was by Seán Clárach Mac Domhnaill [the DT transcription is badly mangled] NOT Corrected in 2002 Digital Tradition -Joe Offer- The Transit Van - Seán Mone http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=7066 My Son in Amerikay - Alf Mac Lochlainn (in DT as "Son in Americay") NONE Corrected in 2002 Digital Tradition -Joe Offer-^^ |
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25 Jul 02 - 05:41 PM (#754603) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Strange Fruit," see current thread, should be attributed to Abel Meeropol aka Lewis Allen solely. Also original lyrics should be checked- this could be someone's revision. NOT Corrected in 2002 Digital Tradition - DT attributes it to Billie Holliday and Lewis Allen, which I consider plausible. -Joe Offer- Since this does not seem to be resolved, I am leaving it alone. SOF |
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25 Jul 02 - 05:46 PM (#754607) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Waltzing Matilda- lyrics correctly attributed to Banjo Patterson, but music is by Christina MacPherson. Thread #49846 Message #754630 Posted By: GUEST 25-Jul-02 - 06:35 PM Thread Name: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors
Dicho - what is your published authority for your statement? Looks like there's a need for discussion on this one. Continue discussion in this thread (click). If we come up with conclusive information, I'll make sure it gets posted here. |
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25 Jul 02 - 06:35 PM (#754630) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors From: GUEST Dicho - what is your published authority for your statement? |
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25 Jul 02 - 08:19 PM (#754684) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Waltzing Matilda discussion posted at Joe's link above, as requested. |
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25 Jul 02 - 09:24 PM (#754710) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas It may well be that many of the missing attributions have been added to the new version of the DT, which we have not yet seen; and I have been adding missing attributions to the "Missing Tunes" thread, too; however, it may well be useful to have a list in one place; not to nag, I hope, but to provide a helpful resource. Here are a few more; I think they're all accurate. Some have been mentioned quite regularly over several years.
FAIR ELIZA Robert Burns, 1792.
"Wae's me for Prince Charlie" is in Hogg's Jacobite Relics, II, #99, 1821. In the notes he notes that it was said to be by Willam Glen. Hogg gives the tune, and in the notes mentions that it is "The Gypsie Laddie". Hogg has a further (last) verse to the song as follows. Only one of the above corrected in 2002 Digital Tradition -Joe Offer- |
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25 Jul 02 - 10:12 PM (#754723) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Philippa MO Ri GEAL DILEAS should be Mo Rún Geal ... same problem with diacriticals in this DT item as with Mo Ghile Mear, though this is not what I meant by "attribution", of course. I'll send Dick a correction when I can. |
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25 Jul 02 - 11:22 PM (#754747) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas Well, yes; I know that. Many of those problems seem to be the result of people copy-and-pasting accent marks instead of using the correct html codes; there isn't much point in complaining later on when they stop working, which is pretty well guaranteed to happen. Fortunately, Gaelic uses fewer diacriticals than the majority of European languages. Proper attributions are, I think, more important, though I certainly share your concern for accuracy. In the past, it does seem that the DT has placed more weight on quantity than quality; maybe this thread will help to redress the balance. |
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26 Jul 02 - 02:03 PM (#755051) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: MMario Tibbie Dunbar First verse and Chorus Robert Burns - 2nd and third verses Jim McLean (dt songfile TBiednbr 2002 Digital Tradition has Burns verse and chorus only. -Joe Offer- |
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26 Jul 02 - 02:21 PM (#755059) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas In the thread, yes; the DT text doesn't include the modern verses, and is correctly attributed to Burns: TIBBIE DUNBAR^^ |
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26 Jul 02 - 09:26 PM (#755257) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer In this thread (click), Bryan bowers says that Hot Buttered Rum was written by Tommy Thompson of the Red Clay Ramblers. The DT is uncertain, but says it may have been written by Bowers. Bowers strongly denied that. -Joe Offer- Corrected in 2002 Digital Tradition -Joe Offer- |
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26 Jul 02 - 11:06 PM (#755290) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST "Wae's me for Prince Charlie" is in Hogg's Jacobite Relics, II, #99, 1821. In the notes he notes that it was said to be by Willam Glen. Hogg gives the tune, and in the notes mentions that it is "The Gypsie Laddie". Hogg has a further (last) verse to the song as follows. But now the bird saw some redcoats, ^^
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27 Jul 02 - 06:11 PM (#755617) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca According to Peace In the Valley was written by Tommy Dorsey Thread #49846 Message #755870 Posted By: greg stephens 28-Jul-02 - 07:24 AM Thread Name: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
Thomas A Dorsey that should be, I think. He was quite a stickler for it, and there is another famous musician called Tommy Dorsey. Peace in the Valley Words and Music by Thomas A. Dorsey. Copyright Thomas A. Dorsey, 1936 -Joe Offer- Unattributed in 2002 Digital Tradition ^^ |
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28 Jul 02 - 07:24 AM (#755870) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: greg stephens Thomas A Dorsey that should be, I think. He was quite a stickler for it, and there is another famous musician called Tommy Dorsey. |
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29 Jul 02 - 08:05 PM (#756650) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer I did a search for songs by Joe Hill, and didn't come up with Preacher and the Slave. I figured out the reason - the DT lists the songwriter as "Joe HilI." -Joe Offer- Corrected in 2002 DT |
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29 Jul 02 - 08:40 PM (#756668) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Malcolm Douglas Ah, the old OCR problem. MRS. ADLAM'S ANGELS The DT file tentatively credits this song to Brian Bowers, which is wrong; Ralph McTell wrote it. There are mis-hearings in the transcription, too, which I'll correct in the current Tunes Wanted thread when I get a midi sorted out. NOT corrected in 2002 DT ^^ |
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29 Jul 02 - 08:55 PM (#756674) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer I KNOW we came up with the name of the songwriter of "Key of R," and Bill Day denies responsibility. Whodunit? Not corrected in 2002 DT - how can we "correct it" when there is no answer yet as to who wrote it? January, 2004: Elizabeth W. "Libbie" Anthony of the group "Women, Women, and Song" wrote the "Key of R." Note that the US has "amber waves of grain." See thread. -Joe Offer- |
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05 Sep 02 - 01:00 PM (#777549) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim McLean As advised by Joe,I'm addaing this note. My song 'The Massacre of Glencoe' appears under many different titles. here are a few: Glencoe, The Rape of Glencoe, The Ballad of Glencoe, The Battle of Glencoe, The Sad Glen (This was a blatant attempt at ripping me off!!') My song 'Smile in your Sleep' also appears under various titles: Don't Cry in your Sleep, Hush hush, Highland Lullaby,They came in a Blizzard. And quite often under 'Traditional' Thanks, Jim Mclean |
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05 Sep 02 - 01:00 PM (#777550) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim McLean As advised by Joe,I'm adding this note. My song 'The Massacre of Glencoe' appears under many different titles. here are a few: Glencoe, The Rape of Glencoe, The Ballad of Glencoe, The Battle of Glencoe, The Sad Glen (This was a blatant attempt at ripping me off!!') My song 'Smile in your Sleep' also appears under various titles: Don't Cry in your Sleep, Hush hush, Highland Lullaby,They came in a Blizzard. And quite often under 'Traditional' Thanks, Jim Mclean |
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05 Sep 02 - 08:47 PM (#777814) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer I compared the attributions above with the 2002 Digital Tradition. Very few of the corrections made it into the 2002 DT, but this list was started after Dick Greenhaus had finished compiling the database. -Joe Offer- |
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12 Sep 02 - 10:34 PM (#782665) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,guest LORENA, the popular Civil War song, published in 1857. Words (poetry) by Rev. H. D. L. Webster. Music by J. P. Webster. Not attributed in the DT. ^^ See thread 14713: Lorena with references to sheet music by Masato Sakurai and others. File name and tune file given as Lorenna; should be Lorena. filenames are NOT words that appear in the song - purposely misspelled to be different. |
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13 Sep 02 - 09:11 AM (#782938) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy Joe - If you read the thread on Strange Fruit, there is no way you can find the DT attribution plausible - Billie Holiday and others who were there all say that Lewis Allen wrote 'Strange Fruit' that is the only correct attribution, and why are you the sole arbiter here?
I think that Allan/Meeropol would have reason for complaint if his name were not mentioned at all - but it was. Please note that this "attributions" thread was started after the 2002 edition of the database was completed. Nothing that has been posted here will appear in the 2002 database, unless Dick Greenhaus had already received corrected information from other sources. -Joe Offer- |
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13 Sep 02 - 09:32 AM (#782948) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: IanC Joe re: Waltzing Matilda's tune, I recently gave some information but not in that thread. Unfortunately, AS USUAL, I can't find it. I'll keep trying.
:-) Here it is ... in fact the whole Waltzing Matilda music is well documented in This Thread.
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13 Sep 02 - 09:42 AM (#782955) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: IanC Here it is ... in fact the whole Waltzing Matilda music is well documented in This Thread.
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13 Sep 02 - 11:13 AM (#783042) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Dave Bryant "It's a long way to Tipperary" was written by JACK JUDGE. Bill Caddick even wrote a song about it for his show "Sunny Memories". Harry Williams is often included in the credits, but that was only because he'd been a good friend of Jack's who'd often lent him money when trade was poor, and Jack promised in return that is he ever wrote a best-selling song, he would put Harry's name on it. See this thread (click) for details. -Joe Offer- ^^ |
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16 Sep 02 - 10:31 PM (#785686) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Beer Barrel Polka (Roll Out the Barrel) was a popular Czech song, music by Jaromir Vejvoda. English lyrics by Lew Brown were published in 1934. Source: American Popular Songs, by David Ewen. -Joe Offer, former Milwaukeean- ^^ |
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17 Sep 02 - 03:34 PM (#786069) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer I think we've established that Rare Ould Times was written by Pete St. John. Big Mick has found his St. John songbook that somebody borrowed from him, and will come up with the goods on this one for us. -Joe Offer- ^^ |
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22 Sep 02 - 04:08 PM (#789131) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Dean Cadalan Samhach was written by John MacRae, the Kintail Bard. He had emigrated to North Carolina in 1774, where the song was written a few years later. Some contend that due to the subject matter it was actually written by his wife. Except for the speculation about his wife, the information was found in the Emigrant Experience by Sister Margaret MacDonnell of St. FX University. ^^ |
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22 Sep 02 - 10:26 PM (#789311) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Also not in the 2002 DT is the information on Mairi's Wedding. Written by Johnny Bannerman in 1938 and translated by Sir Hugh Robertson a year later into English. |
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24 Sep 02 - 01:46 AM (#790068) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Candy Man 2 - 1971 pop song by Leslie Briscusse and Anthony Newley, from the movie Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. #1 hit for Sammy Davis, Jr. ^^ |
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24 Sep 02 - 06:53 AM (#790154) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Dave Bryant The Bolinder Song was written by Dave Blagrove of Stoke Bruerne. ^^ |
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24 Sep 02 - 07:11 AM (#790162) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Dave Bryant "In my Liverpool Home" was written by Stan Kelly (real name Stan Bootle). ^^ Malcolm says below: Stan Kelly (Bootle) wrote "I Wish I Was Back in Liverpool," and others (see his website at Stan Kelly-Bootle), but never claimed to have written In My Liverpool Home. Pete McGovern is usually blamed for it! -Joe Offer- |
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24 Sep 02 - 06:20 PM (#790577) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Susanne (skw) Additional (and conflicting) info on 'Michael Blann's Drinking Song' above: [1976:] Michael Blann was a shepherd, singer and whistle player who lived near Shoreham in Sussex, until about 1930. He wrote out a book of his songs in the 1880s and the book, including this song, is preserved in Worthing Museum. But Blann did not write the song, and its history is more complex still. It was written by John Hollamby, a grinder at Hailsham windmill, who in 1827 published the words in an anthology called 'The Unlettered Muse'. There it was called Gooch's Strong Beer. Blann, I think, adapted these words and added the chorus. The tune is, of course, Yankee Doodle. (Vic Gammon, notes 'The Tale of Ale') ^^ Could this mean it wasn't Blann, but his sister who adapted the words from John Hollamby's song? The Jeelie Piece Song is attributed to Adam MacNaughton in the DT. This should be MacNaughtan. ^^ And in Bells of Rhymney, the town of Neathe should be spelled Neath. ^^ Am I being too pedantic? |
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24 Sep 02 - 10:17 PM (#790697) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas It was probably Michael Blann's sister Harriet who re-wrote the song. She called it Blann's Beer; it was never called Michael Blann's Drinking Song until recorded by Revival performers. |
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25 Sep 02 - 06:04 PM (#791299) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Susanne (skw) That's what I gathered, Malcolm, but have we got any proof? Where does the info come from that it was 'probably' his sister who re-wrote the song, not himself? |
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25 Sep 02 - 08:32 PM (#791398) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas I quote from the book Shepherd of the Downs,ed. Colin Andrews, 1979: "The song is written in a different hand on a loose sheet of paper, pencil lined. The sheet is inscribed: this Song is for You my Making H. Blann." |
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26 Sep 02 - 09:53 AM (#791709) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Dave Bryant Rise up Jock was written by Dave & Carole Pegg. ^^ |
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26 Sep 02 - 10:17 AM (#791721) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Dave Bryant Sorry, meant to type Bob & Carole Pegg. |
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26 Sep 02 - 10:45 AM (#791743) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas That's in my earlier list, but I only mentioned Bob. Was it a dual credit, then? The record label just says PEGG. Here's another: SONG OF THE SEALS was written, as Song To the Seals, by Harold Boulton (words) and Granville Bantock (music). As Bantock died in 1946, it should be assumed still to be in copyright. |
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26 Sep 02 - 07:38 PM (#792071) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Susanne (skw) Thanks for the info on Harriet Blann, Malcolm. I'll have to look the book up when I get to Britain next year. (Now, if every Mudcatter contributed one digitalised book a year to the Gutenberg Project, what a marvellous library we'd have by Hogmanay 2003! :-)) |
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05 Oct 02 - 04:50 AM (#797264) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Take Your Time was by Peter Mundey, not Loudon Wainwright. Link leads to thread with lyrics and songwriter correction. ^^ -Joe Offer- |
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05 Oct 02 - 05:46 AM (#797281) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Philippa Farewell to Fiunary (spelled Funery in the DT) was written by Rev Tormod Mac Leòid [Norman McLeod]. ^^There are several errors in the DT; a better version is at www.tannahillweavers.com Also Alice made corrections at the thread Slan le Fionnairigh. broken link We don't know whether or not the lyrics sung by Kist O' Deil and Tannahill Weavers areMcLeod's original - there is some doubt - The song has become best known in the Gaelic translation by Archibald Sinclair and some people have re-translated the Gaelic into English! |
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05 Oct 02 - 06:47 AM (#797294) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: ard mhacha Master McGrath, second verse not included in DT, also the song was written by Henry McCusker of Silverwood Lurgan to mark the second victory in 1869 0f Lord Lurgan`s famous greyhound in the Waterloo Cup. On the twelfth of December that day of renown, McGrath and his keeper they left Lurgan Town A gale on the Channell soon blew them oe`r, On the thirteenth they landed on fair England`s shore. ^^ Ard Mhacha. |
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05 Oct 02 - 12:29 PM (#797438) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Drifting Too Far From Shore, by Charles E. (Ernest) Moody of the Georgia Yellow Hammers, 1923. First appeared in a Stamps-Baxter Songbook, which is where the Monroe Bros. "probably learned it." See thread. -Joe Offer-^^ |
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07 Oct 02 - 02:23 PM (#798395) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Alice ISLE OF INNISFREE not attributed in the DT was written by Richard Farrelly. Richard's son Gerard gives correction of the lyrics and history in this thread: ^^ http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=4131 The error of confusing the song "Isle of Innisfree" with the melody of the Dream of Alwyn is explained by Barry Taylor (also in thread link above). "Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Barry T - PM Date: 03 Oct 02 - 08:31 PM The association of Alwyn with this song is a common phenomenon on the web... the evolution of threaded discussion into substantiated fact. We witnessed the same thing happen to another popular song... Pete St. John's Fields of Athenry, whose lyrics for a time were erroneously tagged to a non-existent traditional tune. By having sequenced a midi of The Isle of Innisfree I am embarrassed to have been partly responsible for this musical fiction, as my midi spread across the web as some kind of authenticated proof of the traditional tune." |
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12 Oct 02 - 03:11 PM (#801858) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer As Time Goes By, words and music by Herman Hupfield, 1931 (see thread). As the thread explains, people often think this song was written by Hoagy Carmichael. ^^ -Joe Offer- |
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13 Oct 02 - 03:48 AM (#802108) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Bread and Roses - DT correctly shows that lyrics were written by James Oppenheim (in 1914). the tune that's in the DT is variously attributed to Martha Coleman or Caroline Kohlsaat (Edith Fowke & Joe Glazer & Sandy Paton say it's by Kohlsaat (click for discussion)). The more recent tune by Mimi Farina is in Mudcat MIDIs. ^^ -Joe Offer- |
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17 Oct 02 - 09:28 PM (#805742) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer I'll Fly Away - Albert E. Brumley, 1932. ^^ The tune doesn't sound right to me, either. I think what we have is the harmony line. Can anybody submit a MIDI with the melody? -Joe Offer- |
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06 Nov 02 - 01:14 PM (#820079) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Desert Dancer Noticed these in recent threads: Fanny Power -- should be Song of the Ghost, NOT by Yeats and Carolan, but by Alfred Percival Graves and trad.. Correct lyrics are there, too. (Info from Malcolm Douglas.) ^^ "Touch of the Master's Hand - mentioned above and in the database with no attribution - is a poem written by Myra Brook Welch ca 1927, ^^ It was published in "The Messenger" and reprinted in "Good Old Days". Sally Rogers saw it, liked it, and set it to music. (This is from an old Prairie Home Companion tape featuring Sally Rogers.)" -- Contributed by an anon. Guest here. Whoops, that "anon. Guest" who posted about "Touch of the Master's Hand" named himself in the next post in that thread: it's Walter Corey. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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06 Nov 02 - 01:28 PM (#820088) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Desert Dancer Whoops, that "anon. Guest" who posted about "Touch of the Master's Hand" named himself in the next post in that thread: it's Walter Corey. ~ B in T |
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10 Nov 02 - 06:32 PM (#822919) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer The Rose of York was cowritten by Mr. Lesley Hale and Mr. Ken Thomson. The lyrics in the Digital Tradition aren't quite correct - I've put out a request for corrected lyrics and copyright information to be posted in this thread. ^^ -Joe Offer- |
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11 Nov 02 - 10:48 AM (#823346) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer I Had An Coat should be "I Had an Old Coat." On her recording of the song, Sally Rogers says it was by Paul Kaplan, written in 1985. He published the song himself as Paul Kaplan Music, his address is 203 Heatherstone Rd, Amherst, MA 01002 - http://www.filbert.com/pvfs/kaplan/default.htm. With Mudcatter Dan Milner (Liam's Brother), Paul is co-author of A Bonnie Bunch of Roses -- Traditional Songs of England, Ireland and Scotland. -Joe Offer- |
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11 Nov 02 - 11:47 AM (#823403) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Hi, Susan - in the Attribution PermaThread, how about if we do this: When you've collected the information, you put harvesting marks after the entry for each song. When the next DT comes out, I'll double-check. If the entry had been corrected, I'll delete the information from the PermaThread. That way, the information will be available to everybody until it's corrected in the database. Thanks. -Joe- |
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12 Nov 02 - 07:58 AM (#824069) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: LDH Hi Joe, Well, you got the names right but not the sex! I'm a lady - you better believe it! Lesley Hale |
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12 Nov 02 - 12:21 PM (#824256) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Red Rose Cafe has songwriter names spelled wrong up top, on the line under the title. Full names of the songwriters are Kartner/Donald Black. And Lesley, I beg a thousand pardons. I corrected the honorific on your name above, and I promise I will never, ever again forget that you are a female. The Digital Tradition attributes If You Love Me to Rosalie Sorrels, but I'm 99.385 % sure it's Malvina Reynolds who wrote it. Copyright 1974, Schroder Music Co., Berkeley, CA (ASCAP) -Joe Offer-
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12 Nov 02 - 01:07 PM (#824306) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Desert Dancer From Origins: All Around My Hat, a post by Malcolm Douglas: The other set in the DT, All Around my Hat (I will wear the Green Willow), although it says "recorded by Steeleye Span", is completely different. No source is acknowledged, but it's actually the set recorded by Peter Kennedy from Harry Westaway at Belstone, Devon, in 1951, and published in Kennedy's Folksongs of Britain and Ireland. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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22 Nov 02 - 01:11 AM (#832220) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas TRELAWNY (Cornish Gaelic): Please note that there is no such thing as Cornish Gaelic!!! (My goodness, you're lucky that I spotted this before Phillippa...) Cornish is a Brythonic, not Goidelic, language,and is closely related to Welsh and Breton; it is related to Gaelic in roughly the same degree as English is related to Dutch. The Cornish text in the DT is uncredited, but it is a 20th century translation into that language from the original English, and was made by "Talek" (real name Ernest George Retallack Hooper), 3rd. Grand Bard of the Cornish Gorsedd (1959-1965). Although he based it in part upon earlier (but also 20th century) translations, it would presumably still be in copyright. The English and Cornish texts in the DT were both copied from Peter Kennedy's Folksongs of Britain and Ireland (1975). |
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23 Nov 02 - 12:29 AM (#833224) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Al Guest Philippa, are you by any chance Philippa Robinson? |
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29 Nov 02 - 10:50 PM (#837549) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Strike the Bell, Landlord - Words written by Ron Shuttleworth of Coventry, England. -Joe Offer (per Radriano, who knows these things)- |
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05 Dec 02 - 12:02 AM (#841092) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Barry cookieless for the moment If you can (whoever's doing this) would put copyright 1998 words by Barry Finn for Ida Lewis in the DT. I think I'd be thanking you Joe? Thanks. Barry
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07 Dec 02 - 05:11 PM (#843203) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Susanne (skw) Two queries: On 24 Sep Dave Bryant claims 'In My Liverpool Home' was written by Stan Kelly. My Spinners LP attributes it to Pete McGovern: [1970:] The best known song of Pete McGovern, who has written a number of Scouser songs. (Notes 'Spotlight On The Spinners')^^ On 5 Oct ard mhacha claims Master McGrath was written by Henry McCusker. In this thread last year he claimed the first name was James. Which is the correct one, please? I see Susan of DT has put harvesting marks on the incorrect entry. - I'll let her know about it. -Joe Offer- SO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE?? |
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07 Dec 02 - 05:31 PM (#843211) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas Stan Kelly (Bootle) wrote I Wish I Was Back in Liverpool, |
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07 Dec 02 - 06:17 PM (#843226) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Susanne (skw) Thanks, Malcolm, for setting my mind at rest. I hope the first info doesn't make it into the DT by accident. Which leaves my second question. Ard mhacha, where are you when we need you? |
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13 Dec 02 - 10:31 PM (#847122) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: masato sakurai "The Wreck of the Huron" (the original) was written by Geo. A. Cragg in 1878. See The wreck of the Huron. |
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14 Dec 02 - 05:19 PM (#847466) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Carroll County Accident - Several web-sites claim authorship to a Bob Ferguson. |
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07 Jan 03 - 04:28 AM (#860488) Subject: Chivalrous Shark From: Joe Offer There's one line missing from Chivalrous Shark. Here 'tis: Then he proffered his fin and she took it-Source: Song Fest -Joe Offer- See this thread for full corrected text. |
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08 Jan 03 - 05:04 AM (#861428) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Dave Bryant Appologies for the mis-attribution of "In My Liverpool Home" - I first heard Stan sing it in the 60's and always assumed that it was one of his. Incidently, Stan was working with computers (EDSAC 1) in 1953 and that's nearly ten years before I wrote my first program for an IBM 1401. |
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16 Jan 03 - 12:09 AM (#868008) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Black Freighter/Wife of a Soldier has a wrong title. Should be just "Wife of a Soldier." (Black Freighter is an alternate title for "Pirate Jenny," which is not yet in the DT) -Joe Offer- Another one: The DT calls it Folkie, but the title is "The Folker," written by Fred Wedlock. |
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05 Feb 03 - 09:45 PM (#883647) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Q Who Threw the Overalls in Mistress Murphy's Chowder" was written by George L. Geifer, 1898. See Levy site for sheet music. |
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05 Feb 03 - 09:50 PM (#883654) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Q Who Threw the Overalls in Mistress Murphy's Chowder" was written by George L. Geifer, 1898. See Levy site for sheet music My error on the date of "Who Threw the Overalls in Mistress Murphy's Chowder"- The Levy site dates it 1937. I had 1898 in my notebook, which is probably wrong. The author is George L. Geifer, however. I think the Levy site is misleading on this one, Q. I have a Dover book called Favorite Songs of the Nineties. It has a copy of the cover of the sheet music, which lists the songwriter as George L. Giefer, publication date 1898. Other sources I have show 1898 and 1899 as the publication date. Some spell the name "Geifer" but the sheet music spells it "Giefer." |
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09 Feb 03 - 06:27 PM (#886382) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Felipa http://www.themediadrome.com/content/poetry/churchill_dream_angus.htm attributes to George Churchill others say the song is traditional If you have further information, please add it here (If you have info. other than regarding the author, there's a thread for Dream Angus) |
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23 Feb 03 - 11:12 PM (#897068) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer What Does the Deep Sea Say? - songwriter is a feller named Woody GUTHRIE - note spelling of his name, so it will come up in searches. I suppose it can be attributed to Woody, but it seems there are many versions - so the sonng might be better termed "traditional." -Joe Offer- |
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24 Feb 03 - 01:48 AM (#897136) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Q Who threw the overalls- Re-reading the notes at the Levy site, the 1937 copy was published by the Calumet Music Co. I have an idea that the copy is a late printing. My notes (1898) were probably correct; did the Calumet Co. go back that far? |
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11 Mar 03 - 05:56 PM (#907737) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Looks like we have two entries for Richard Thompson's "Dimming of the Day." The second is spelled "Dinning of the Day." -Joe Offer- Also, please note the corrections from Malcolm that were posted along with the MIDI for Woman's Rights |
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12 Mar 03 - 06:06 PM (#908542) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Stewie Meade et alia 'Country Music Sources' give 1899 as the date for 'Who Threw the Overalls ...' --Stewie. |
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05 Apr 03 - 01:38 AM (#926541) Subject: RE: Attribution added: Irving the Rover From: Desert Dancer From Martin Grosswendt via his sister Tina Dodd when asked about "Irving the Rover" (unattributed in the DT): "Irving the Rover was written by John O'Donnell and Truck Croteau VERY early one morning before we all left on a trip to Helen's (Schneyer) house for Thanksgiving in the blue Volkswagen squareback." Tina says that was 1969. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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17 Apr 03 - 09:19 PM (#935735) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Weight - should be "the Weight," by Jaime (Robbie) Robertson of The Band, 1968. I didn't know the name until today - I always thought it was "Take a Load Off (Your) Fanny" - and I have no idea what it means. -Joe Mondegreen- |
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17 Apr 03 - 09:39 PM (#935744) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas THE WATERFORD BOYS Wrestling With Rats (The Waterford Boys): Harry Clifton (1832-1872). See sheet music at Levy: The Waterford Boys Discussion here: The Waterford Boys What did you want changed, Malcolm? |
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27 May 03 - 01:53 PM (#959875) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Not exactly an attribution problem, but we have the same song twice: Mickey's Mouseketeers Mickey's Mousketeers |
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20 Jun 03 - 10:04 PM (#970013) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon There's a song that's identified in the database as "GLOBAL VIEW (Monty Python); This is the way the same song is described in the soundtrack listing for "Monty Python's The Meaning of Life" (1983) at IMDb: "Galaxy Song" Lyrics Eric Idle Music by Eric Idle & John Du Prez At AMG it is described thus: The Galaxy Song (Duprez/Idle) Eric Idle, of course, is a member of the comedy team called Monty Python. |
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22 Jun 03 - 02:40 PM (#970471) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon There is a song in the DT called SOME LITTLE BUG. The Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music gives this info (and somewhat different lyrics): SOME LITTLE BUG IS GOING TO FIND YOU Words by Benjamin Hapgood Burt and Roy Atwell. Music by Silvio Hein. Copyright 1915 by T. B. Harms and Francis, Day & Hunter, New York. A complete transcription is in the thread called Songs about a hospital (for school program). |
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22 Jun 03 - 05:40 PM (#970560) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Please check the thread on Gordon Bok's Cape Ann. Despite the extraordinary amount of verbal abuse I endured in the thead, I think I'm right. I transcribed the lyrics from the Bok CD booklet, and they're the same as in the Bok Time and the Flying Snow songbook. The DT lyrics aren't off much, but there are differences (the tune seems OK). But at the very least, the DT title should be changed so it's spelled Cape Ann (the DT spells it "Anne" - you could be run out of Gloucester for that). Actually, I have to admit I enjoy the abuse... -Joe Offer- |
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25 Jun 03 - 03:42 PM (#972288) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: OldPossum Walk Awhile, filename[ WALKWHIL has Words and Music by D. Swarbrick and R. Thompson, according to the songbook Fairport (Fairport Convention On Tour) 1976. |
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02 Jul 03 - 11:56 AM (#975207) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Peterr Dublin Lady, attributed to John Connolly, I believe was originally written by Patrick Carroll, tune by Andy Irvine. |
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09 Jul 03 - 02:11 AM (#979538) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer I'm confused about The Miller's Will (2) and Locks and Bolts. Both have DT #328, and they don't seem to be related. I believe the three "Millers' Will" songs should have DT #348 Thanks. ^^ -Joe Offer- |
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02 Aug 03 - 12:32 PM (#995579) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer We have "Greenback Dollar" (Hoyt Axton and Ken Ramsey) twice: filename[ GRENDOLR and filename[ GRENBACK - titled "Greenback Dollar 2" The second rendition is probably the better one, although I could do without affectations like "greenback-a dollar." -Joe Offer |
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15 Aug 03 - 10:01 AM (#1002666) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon The name of Bernard Cribbins is misspelled in the notes for RIGHT SAID FRED (CUP OF TEA). (He is correctly identified as a performer, not the author.) |
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22 Aug 03 - 05:28 AM (#1006354) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Wolfgang The 'New Morning Dew' in the DT is correctly titled THE WHOLE WORLD'S TURNING PADDY and is by Pat Cooksey Wolfgang |
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13 Sep 03 - 01:26 PM (#1018186) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Hi, Susan - On Okie From Muskogee, please correct the spelling of the title and note that the song is by Merle Haggard and Roy Edward Burris. Copyright 1969, by Tree Publishing Company. Source: Sing Your Heart Out, Country Boy. The lyrics seem OK, although the chorus isn't sung until after the second verse. Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
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12 Oct 03 - 04:49 AM (#1034017) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Susanne (skw) I've just found that the great song 'The Yew Tree' is in the DT, complete with extensive notes, but no attribution to its author Brian McNeill. I'd be grateful if this could be added soon. |
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13 Oct 03 - 11:12 PM (#1035051) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Note misspelled title of Lydia, the Tattooed Lady. Words by E.Y. Harburg, music by Harold Arlen. -Joe Offer- |
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18 Oct 03 - 10:45 PM (#1037875) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Correct attribution for THE FATAL WEDDING : Words, W. H Windom. Music, Gussie L. Davis. Copyright 1893. This is based on the sheet music at The Lester S. Levy Collection. I have posted a new set of lyrics, with minor corrections, in this thread. |
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23 Oct 03 - 03:53 PM (#1040590) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Note extra words in the first line of The Lumber Camp Song. |
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28 Oct 03 - 03:21 PM (#1043332) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Uneasy Rider, words and music by Charlie Daniels, 1973. |
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28 Oct 03 - 03:45 PM (#1043359) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas SALLY WHEATLEY The DT credits this to Alex Glasgow, though the entry includes "differing opinions" which identify the real writer of the song, Joe Wilson of Newcastle (c.1840-1874). There is plenty of documentation available, and attribution is not in doubt. Glasgow provided the tune generally used nowadays for the song, which was originally sung to The Happy Land of Air-in (i.e. The Happy Land of Erin, itself based on the American song The Happy Land of Canaan). Details at Tune Req: Sally Wheatley. So far as is known, Glasgow wrote the new tune himself, either because he was unable to identify the original one, or didn't like it; but he did not write the lyric. |
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02 Nov 03 - 02:00 PM (#1046298) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon I've been checking spellings. This list is probably not complete. BALLAD OF HARRY POLLITT - should be Limeliters, not Limelighters BY THE BANKS OF THE REEDY LAGOON – should be Wyndham-Read, not Wyndom-Read CONSTANT LOVERS – should be Wyndham-Read, not Wyndham Read CRUEL SHIP'S CAPTAIN - should be MacColl, not McColl DIAMOND JOE – should be Ramblin' (with an apostrophe) and Elliott, not Elliot DIAMOND JOE (2) – should be Elliott, not Elliot DIAMOND JOE (3) – should be Elliott, not Elliot DIE GEDANKEN SIND FREI - should be Limeliters, not Limelighters EDELWEISS - should be Rodgers, not Rogers GAOL SONG - should be Wrigley, not Wriggly GENTLE ANNIE 2 – should be Wyndham-Read, not Wyndham-Road HOBO BILL'S LAST RIDE - should be Rodgers, not Rogers HOW FAR IS HEAVEN - at the bottom of the page, should be Jimmie, not Jimmy MAID OF AUSTRALIA – should be Wyndham-Read, not Wyndham-Reed MOTHER, THE QUEEN OF MY HEART - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy MRS. ADLAM'S ANGELS - should be Ralph McTell, not Brian Bower (which is misspelled anyway) MY ROUGH AND ROWDY WAYS - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy PEACH PICKING TIME IN GEORGIA - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy RED ROSE CAFÉ – should be Fureys' not Furey's RIGHT SAID FRED (CUP OF TEA) - should be Cribbins not Cribbens SHAPE OF MY LOVE - should be Limeliters, not Limelighters SISTER JOSEPHINE – should be Thackray, not Thackeray TORN A' MA GOON - should be MacBeath not McBeath TWIN BALLOTS – should be Vance Randolph, not simply Vance VERY UNFORTUNATE MAN - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy WHY SHOULD I BE LONELY - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy YOU ARE MY SUNSHINE - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy |
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08 Nov 03 - 07:20 PM (#1050309) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon THEY DON'T WRITE THEM LIKE THAT ANY MORE was written by Pete Betts, as explained in this thread where Pete himself posted some lyric corrections and explanations. |
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08 Nov 03 - 09:56 PM (#1050414) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Alaska Mike The song "First Kill" in the DT was written by me (Mike Campbell) in 1993 and recorded on my first CD "The Sculptor". |
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13 Nov 03 - 05:55 PM (#1053356) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Add author attribution: "Wal, I Swan," by Benjamin Hapgood Burt, 1907, sheet music pub. by Witmark and Sons, from the play, "The Yankee Tourist." (AKA Ebenezer Frye (on sheet music as subtitle) and Git Up, Napoleon). Sheet music in Levy Coll. but not shown. |
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25 Nov 03 - 01:17 AM (#1060379) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Looks like we have the "Ballad of John Williams" twice: 5802 and 447. Attribution to Johnny McEvoy is correct, says Martin Ryan. We also have A Memory of You and Memory of You - same song, except that the latter song does not seem to have any grammatical errors (there shouldn't be an apostrophe in the possessive "its"). No attribution or tune for "Memory" - where did it come from? -Joe Offer- More Duplicates: 1175 CHRTRAV CHRIST WAS A TRAVELER 9250 CHRITRAV CHRIST WAS A WAYWORN TRAVELER More: 8863 The Hash My Father Scored (Micca) 8864 Hash My Father Scored (Micca)
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25 Nov 03 - 01:43 AM (#1060383) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Bells of Rhymney - tune from Pete Seeger. Lyrics by Welsh poet Idris Davies, who lived in Tonypandy in the Rhondda Valley the heart of the coalfields of South Wales. I see the lyrics are goofed up a bit. Here's a complete, corrected transcription: BELLS OF RHYMNEY (Idris Davies & Pete Seeger) Oh what will you give me? Say the sad bells of Rhymney Is there hope for the future? Cry the brown bells of Merthyr. Who made the mine owner? Say the black bells of Rhondda. And who robbed the miner? Cry the grim bells of Blaina. They will plunder willy-nilly, Cry the bells of Caerphilly. They have fangs, they have teeth, Say the loud bells of Neath. Even God is uneasy, Say the moist bells of Swansea. And what will you give me? Say the sad bells of Rhymney Put the vandals in court Say the bells of Newport. All would be well if, if, if, Cry the green bells of Cardiff. Why so worried, sisters, why? Sang the silver bells of Wye. And what will you give me? Say the sad bells of Rhymney. Lyrics from "Gwalia Deserta" by Welsh poet Idris Davies, who lived in Tonypandy in the Rhondda Valley the heart of the coalfields of South Wales. The poem was written in about 1927, and published in 1938. Tune by Pete Seeger, 1959. Copyright Ludlow Music, 1959. Source: "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?" - a book by Pete Seeger.
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25 Nov 03 - 04:43 AM (#1060422) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Martin Ryan Joe BTW, the Johnny McEvoy attribution is correct - I wasn't sure when I first posted the song. Regards |
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10 Dec 03 - 01:13 AM (#1069016) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon As explained in this thread, the song called GOOD FISH CHOWDER was originally a poem called JERRY MULLIGAN by John Ciardi set to the traditional tune THE WINNIPEG WHORE. It was Greg Hildebrand who first got the idea to combine them, and Joe Hickerson who first recorded it. |
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11 Dec 03 - 11:53 PM (#1070731) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon According to several sites such as this one, SWEET VIOLETS [2] was written by Cy Coben and Charles Grean, copyright 1951. (But that might not be the oldest version.) |
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23 Dec 03 - 12:22 AM (#1078195) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon SILVER BELL Words, Edward Madden. Music, Percy Wenrich. 1910. (Information from The Levy Collection.) The lyrics here are more accurate. |
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24 Dec 03 - 06:04 PM (#1079389) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon THE JEELIE PIECE SONG (SKYSCRAPER WEAN) Spelling should be McNaughtan, not MacNaughton. (McNaughtan is how his name is spelled at Greentrax, his record company.) |
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22 Jan 04 - 09:50 PM (#1099265) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon According to Malcolm Douglas, the song in the DT called FALL DEE RAY should actually be called THE VILLAGE PIMP, as it is a parody by the Kipper Family of THE VILLAGE PUMP. |
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22 Jan 04 - 11:20 PM (#1099315) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas But mostly because that's what the song's writers, Dick Nudds and Chris Sugden (uncredited in the DT file), called it. |
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23 Jan 04 - 12:19 AM (#1099338) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Cuilionn I posted this elsewhere, but might as well say it here. Mary Litchfield Tuel, past member of the group "Women, Women & Song", sent the following to me via e-mail: "Libbie (or as she prefers to be known professionally, Elizabeth W. Anthony) wrote the Key of R and I told her at the time it was a work of comic genius and it still is and I still think so but it never hurts for other people to tell her so. It has been passed around quite a bit, and I have heard it attributed to me, but I didn't write it, Libbie did, and it would grieve us both for people to get that wrong..." SO.... please change attribution for "Key of R" to credit Elizabeth W. Anthony. Moran Taing/Muckle Thanks, --Cuilionn (and yes, I will get around to re-registering one of these days!) |
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23 Jan 04 - 01:41 AM (#1099367) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Mary Dear - Words by Andrew B. Sterling, music by Harry von Tilzer, 1902. Recorded by Gene Autry & Charlie Poole |
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26 Jan 04 - 07:45 AM (#1101605) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Laura Lee in the DT, compared with Laura Lea in the sheet music at the Levy collection, has the title misspelled, the names of the lyricist and composer reversed, the chorus missing (although the chorus is only a repetition of the last 2 lines of the first verse), and a few small differences in the words. A better copy is posted here.
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05 Feb 04 - 10:13 PM (#1110412) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon The name of the author of ONLY OUR RIVERS RUN FREE is actually MacConnell, not McConnell, and though Michael may be his birth name, he seems to always use the name Mickey on his albums and at his official website. (He also uses the name Chordstrangler at Mudcat. Click here.) There are also a few errors in the lyrics. Compare with the text at the official website. |
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06 Feb 04 - 09:31 PM (#1111120) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon As pointed out by Alan Ackerman in this message, IT'S A PLEASURE TO KNOW YOU was actually written by Karl Williams (not Carl) and the last line should be "But friendship's a diamond, and trouble's the diamond mine." Also, you might want to add the following note: [Sung by Karl Williams on his album, "Living at the End of Time." Also sung by Sally Rogers on "When Howie Met Sally," and by Faith Petric on "Faith's Favorites."] |
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10 Feb 04 - 08:10 PM (#1113673) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Sierry Petes (click), a poor version in the DT as Tying Knots in the Devil's Tail (title by a plagiarist named Jack Lee), has not yet been credited to the author, Gail Gardner. Someone may have posted this before, but this thread takes too long to sort, let alone find.
I know this page is long, but you can use [CTRL-F] to FIND a keyword on large pages. I have asked Susan to leave corrections requests here on the thread and mark them with the harvesting birdie ^^ so we don't duplicate corrections that have already been posted and noted. -Joe Offer- |
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10 Feb 04 - 08:41 PM (#1113687) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Bob Bolton G'day, This is a correction of what looks like an accidental ommission of a name in the notes to DigiTrad's: BOLD JACK DONOHUE (2), (the version collected by Alan Scott from Mr H. Beatty of Hawthorne Qld). If you look at the second sentence, you will see that it is incomplete. I suspect the original poster was checking the name / spelling ... and then posted without any name at all. This causes confusion, as Alan Scott did not bring out the book - his friend John Meredith did. (Meredith, John, The Donahoe Ballads, Red Rooster Press, Ascot Vale, Victoria, Australia, 1982). The first sentences of the note should be as below (I have bolded the name that was missed out(: This version collected by Alan Scott from Mr H. Beatty of Hawthorne Qld. In his booklet The Donahoe Ballads John Meredith gives some 16 tunes that have been collected. ... Regards, Bob Bolton |
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15 Feb 04 - 05:27 PM (#1116547) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon PUT ANOTHER LOG ON THE FIRE was actually written by Shel Silverstein, though recorded by Tompall Glaser. |
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19 Feb 04 - 08:23 AM (#1119052) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon From The Library of Congress American Memory Collection: I DIDN'T RAISE MY BOY TO BE A SOLDIER (Words, Alfred Bryan. Music, Al Piantadosi. 1915) |
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19 Feb 04 - 11:51 PM (#1119790) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon ASCAP attributes ROCKING ALONE IN AN OLD ROCKING CHAIR to Bob Miller. |
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21 Feb 04 - 04:56 PM (#1120645) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon SWING ON A STAR should actually be called SWINGING ON A STAR. It was written by Johnny Burke and Jimmy Van Heusen in 1944. |
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21 Feb 04 - 05:23 PM (#1120655) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon THE ROSE OF TRALEE was written by G. F. Francis in 1850, according to sheet music at The Library of Congress American Memory Collection. Thread #49846 Message #1121618 Posted By: IanC 23-Feb-04 - 04:54 AM Thread Name: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
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23 Feb 04 - 03:27 AM (#1121583) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon THE OLD APPLE TREE (IN THE ORCHARD) (not to be confused with IN THE SHADE OF THE OLD APPLE TREE) Words, Jack Scholl. Music, M. K. Jerome. 1938. Written for the Humphrey Bogart movie, "Swing Your Lady" (1938), and the tune was subsequently featured as background music to several Warner Brothers cartoons. |
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23 Feb 04 - 04:54 AM (#1121618) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: IanC Jim It's wise to be VERY VERY careful about making attributions based on sheet music. Firstly, the publishers are often only claiming copyright over the particular arrangement and second, they frequently lie about the copyright. In the case of "The Rose of Tralee", most authorities seem to agree that the lyrics are by C. Mordaunt Spencer, published in London in 1845 and th music is by Charles W. Glover. :-) |
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04 Mar 04 - 01:56 AM (#1128877) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Looks like we have it well-established that the title of the Tom Paxton song should be Goodman and Schwerner and Chaney. The DT has it as "Goodwin" in both the title and the lyrics. -Joe Offer- |
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08 Mar 04 - 10:45 PM (#1131944) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon According to the sheet music at The Library of Congress American Memory Collection, MISS FOGARTY'S CHRISTMAS CAKE was written by C. Frank Horn in 1883. Lyrics more faithful to the sheet music are posted here. |
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21 Mar 04 - 07:37 PM (#1142537) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) "Steamboat Bill." Words by Ren Shields, music by Leighton Bros. Copyright 1910, Pub. Leighton Bros., at F. A. Mills, NYC. Sheet music at Levy Sheet music. |
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24 Mar 04 - 10:27 AM (#1144839) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon According to the sheet music at The Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music, TOO-RA-LOO-RA-LOO-RAL THAT'S AN IRISH LULLABY was written by J. R. Shannon in 1913. Other sources say that's James Royce Shannon (1881-1946). It's usually listed as TOO-RA-LOO-RA-LOO-RAL (THAT'S AN IRISH LULLABY) but the original sheet music lacks parentheses in the title. The lyrics in the sheet music are identical to TOO-A-LOO-RA-LOO-RAL That's An Irish Lullaby in the DT but note the misspelling of the title and of "I'd" in line 7. |
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21 Apr 04 - 10:06 PM (#1167482) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon The song that is called CAMP GRENADA in the DT should actually be called HELLO MUDDAH, HELLO FADDUH! (A LETTER FROM CAMP). It was written by Allan Sherman and Lou Busch. Some sources say "Words, Allan Sherman. Music, Lou Busch" or "... arr. Lou Busch." The music is actually an adaptation of Ponchielli's 1876 composition "Dance of the Hours." |
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30 Apr 04 - 12:36 AM (#1174643) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon The song called DO YOU LOVE ME, MOLLY DARLIN? in the DT should actually be called MOLLIE DARLING. It was written by Will S. Hays in 1872. The sheet music is in the Levy collection. A more complete set of lyrics is posted here. |
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06 May 04 - 02:07 AM (#1179160) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer I think we have two copies of "LE CHANT DES OUVRIERS," filename[ CHANTOEV (8620), and filename[ OUVRIER (8619) What is that - "chant of the egg people"?? -Joe Offer- |
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06 May 04 - 01:43 PM (#1179504) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Hoarse douvries singing? Will wonders never cease! Ouvriers- workers, laborers, mill or factory hands (or girl). |
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09 May 04 - 03:01 AM (#1181586) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Note that Titanic (7) and Titanic (9) appear to be identical. |
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09 May 04 - 12:57 PM (#1181665) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon DOWN BY THE RIVER was written by H. S. Thompson, according to the sheet music at The Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music. |
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11 May 04 - 04:23 PM (#1183175) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer actually a duplicated entry in DT (you may already know about this) HEY, GOOD LOOKIN' http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=2621 http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=2629 (from Foolestroupe) |
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11 May 04 - 05:16 PM (#1183215) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer actually a duplicated entry in DT (you may already know about this) HEY, GOOD LOOKIN' http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=2621 http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=2629 (from Foolestroupe) GOSPEL SHIP http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=2373 OLD GOSPEL SHIP http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=4404 identical, seem to have been entered by different people. (from Foolestroupe) 2373 seems to be the better transcription |
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12 May 04 - 08:36 AM (#1183715) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon PLAYMATE should actually be called PLAYMATES. It was written by Saxie Dowell in 1940. The version in DT is incomplete. We have other longer versions in this thread but I don't know if any of them are reliably "original." |
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24 May 04 - 12:13 AM (#1192392) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Regarding THE DARK ISLAND and DARK ISLAND 2: These related songs have a complicated history that is a bit hard to sort out, but having read several threads on the subject, I believe the lyrics you have called THE DARK ISLAND were indeed written by Stewart Ross, but the lyrics in the DT contain some errors and are missing a verse. The correct version has been posted by the author's son, Alan Ross, here. The lyrics you call DARK ISLAND 2 were written by David Silver (not "Silver Maclachlan"). Both lyrics were set to a pipe tune previously composed by Ian (or Iain) McLaughlan (or Maclachlan) – I don't know which spelling is correct – but Alan Ross says that Stewart Ross modified the tune a bit to fit his lyrics. |
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27 May 04 - 01:22 PM (#1195219) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer In this thread (click) Jim McLean says that These Are My Mountains was written by actor Jimmy Copeland. |
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31 May 04 - 10:07 PM (#1198080) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon ALL THE WHILE was written by Myles Rudge and Ted Dicks. Bernard Cribbins recorded it under the title FOLK SONG. |
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10 Jun 04 - 10:35 AM (#1204331) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon The title SLIEVAMON is misspelled. It should be SLIEVENAMON. That spelling is used in the lyrics. |
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10 Jun 04 - 10:56 AM (#1204349) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Reply to IanC, whose message is posted above after my message at 21 Feb 04 - 05:23 PM: I agree that it's a good idea to be "very, very careful." I AM very, very careful. I carefully cited a source for my information. I can't do any better than that. I notice you cite only "most authorities." How careful is that? |
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22 Jun 04 - 01:45 AM (#1211850) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Desert Dancer TICKLE COVE POND is by Mark Walker. See this site: Mark Walker was born in Tickle Cove, Bonavista Bay, [Newfoundland, Canada] the son of Marcus Walker of Ireland and Jane (Mackey) Walker of Bonavista, B.B. A boat builder by trade, Mark Walker became well known as a song writer and balladeer--his most famous ballad being "On Tickle Cove Pond". It has been said that he was able to write a song about any subject at any time. Sometime in the mid-1870's he moved from Tickle Cove B.B. to Sweet Bay, B.B. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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28 Jun 04 - 06:08 PM (#1215821) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas The Ditchling Carol. Roud 3216. Music attributed to Peter Parsons, a shoemaker at Ditchling who died in 1901, aged 76. Waterson-Carthy got the song from Vic Gammon, who found music and text in the MS collection of the Rev K H MacDermott. It was published in Vic's article 'Hail Happy Morn: Two Sussex Band Carols in Old Harmony' (English Dance and Song. London: EFDSS, vol 49 number 3, 1987, 11-13). The DT midi transcription was evidently made by ear from the Waterson-Carthy recording rather than from their source. They mention the ascription to Mr Parsons in their sleeve notes. The text was collated by Vic Gammon from the MacDermott MS and from a broadside text. The original text appears in volume 3 of The Universal Songster (1827, p 68) as The Joys of Christmas: the author is named as the Hon. W. R. Spencer. I am not the first to have noticed this. John Roberts and Tony Barrand (who also recorded Vic Gammon's collated set) comment "Since the release of this recording [Ditchling Carol], we have discovered that the poem is the work of William Robert Spencer (1769-1834), a grandson of the 3rd Duke of Marlborough. He published it in his Poems (1811)." |
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28 Jun 04 - 06:47 PM (#1215851) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Mark Ross Proud as I am to see my song BILL PICKETT in the DT, I am curious as to why it's there twice, once as the above and then again as OLD BILL PICKETT. And only on one am I listed as being responsible. Not that I'm complaining , mind you, I'm just curious. Mark Ross |
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30 Jun 04 - 03:23 PM (#1217222) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) If not noted before- "Olban, or, The White Captive," by Thomas C. Upham, 1818. See Traditional Ballad Index. |
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02 Jul 04 - 02:55 AM (#1218097) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer I'll bet at least a quarter that Song of the Fishes is supposed to have a different title... -Joe Offer- |
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02 Jul 04 - 04:57 AM (#1218159) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) "Song of the Fishes" - Used in "Down tho the Sea in Ships," music by Alfred Newman, lyrics Ken Darby, 1949. In the Burl Ives Songbook. But the poem was written by L. Frank Baum in 1910. L. Frank Baum Works |
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03 Jul 04 - 10:45 PM (#1219100) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon COFFEEPOT SONG in the DT should actually be called A PROPER CUP OF COFFEE. It was written by R P Weston & Bert Lee. However I don't think we have a reliable copy of the original lyrics. See this message. |
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07 Jul 04 - 09:42 AM (#1220646) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon CRAZY was written by Willie Nelson and famously recorded by Patsy Cline. |
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15 Jul 04 - 11:06 PM (#1226651) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon WHACK FOL THE DIDDLE (GOD BLESS ENGLAND) was written by Peadar Kearney (not Carney) according to this message, which also contains a lyric correction. THE ROVING KIND was written by Jesse Cavanaugh and Arnold Stanton, and recorded by Guy Mitchell, by The Weavers, and by Rex Allen. |
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16 Jul 04 - 04:40 PM (#1227190) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca For Who Threw the Overalls in Mrs. Murphy's Chowder, a guest gave the author's name. |
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21 Jul 04 - 07:11 PM (#1230938) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon At SWIMMING SONG, Loudon Wainwright III's name is misspelled. |
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22 Jul 04 - 10:00 AM (#1231351) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon The song that is called HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU in the DT should properly be called CUT THE CAKE. See John McCutcheon's website. (It is correctly attributed. John recorded it, but he didn't write it.) Also, the way the verses are divided, and the way the chorus is labeled, are incorrect. See JM's website for a better layout. |
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29 Jul 04 - 03:26 PM (#1236529) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: OldPossum Some of the things mentioned near the top of this thread: Administrivia still need to be corrected (I am checking against the on-line version of the database). |
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29 Jul 04 - 03:33 PM (#1236535) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,MMario as far as I know there hasn't been an release of a new edition of the DT since this thread was started... |
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18 Aug 04 - 09:50 AM (#1250317) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon REDNECKS, WHITE SOCKS AND BLUE RIBBON BEER was written by Chuck Neese, Bob McDill and Wayland Holyfield. It has been recorded by Johnny Russell and by Hank Thompson. |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:27 PM (#1253525) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:34 PM (#1253533) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon ANCIENT GREEKS should be titled THE CLASSICAL GREEK, according to the recording we found. See this thread. The attribution is correct. |
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22 Aug 04 - 12:35 PM (#1253535) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon There are two misspellings in the title of WHISKEY FOR NY JOHNIE. NY should be MY and JOHNIE should probably be JOHNNY, since that's the way it's spelled in the lyrics (and the way Americans usually spell it). |
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02 Sep 04 - 07:50 AM (#1262428) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon John Gibbs wrote IRISH WAYS AND IRISH LAWS. |
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06 Sep 04 - 09:52 AM (#1265224) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon DARK AS THE DUNGEON should be DARK AS A DUNGEON. allmusic lists 98 recordings called DARK AS A DUNGEON (including those by Merle Travis) and only 2 called DARK AS THE DUNGEON, both by Johnny Cash. (But even Johnny Cash is inconsistent; he has also recorded it as DARK AS A DUNGEON.)
-Joe Offer- |
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09 Sep 04 - 10:50 PM (#1268189) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim Dixon These 2 are nearly identical (except for spelling) and therefore redundant: YE CANNA SHOVE YER GRANNIE YE CANNA SHOVE YER GRANNY Also, the spelling inexplicably changes from "canna" to "cannae" and from "grannie" to "granny" within the same set of lyrics. IMO "cannae" and "grannie" are more authentically Scottish. |
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10 Sep 04 - 07:44 AM (#1268472) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST when did this become a general DT correction thread rather than a thread for crediting song composers?
-Joe Offer- |
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13 Sep 04 - 01:40 PM (#1271271) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: MMario my understanding would be so that it cuts down on the number of places people have to check for corrections. it's an edited thread anyway. midi beakshm missing from both mudcat and downloaded versions. |
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21 Sep 04 - 10:33 PM (#1277890) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer TUNE FILE: KEMOKIMO is missing from both the online and downloadable versions of the DT. -Joe Offer- |
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22 Sep 04 - 03:31 PM (#1278521) Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,MMario lyric correction for The Waxies Dargle |
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08 Oct 04 - 12:14 AM (#1291967) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon According to this message and several Internet sources, DANNY BOY was written by Frederic E. Weatherly. |
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08 Oct 04 - 07:37 AM (#1292186) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon I posted the lyrics to DANNY BOY from the 1913 sheet music in this thread. In addition to several differences in wording, it should be printed as 2 verses of 8 lines, not 4 verses of 4 lines. |
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11 Oct 04 - 12:12 PM (#1294321) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon According to this thread, PLASTIC JESUS was written by Ed Rush and George Cromarty, but I don't know whether PLASTIC JESUS or PLASTIC JESUS (2) is closer to the version they wrote. |
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11 Oct 04 - 09:10 PM (#1294789) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon I'LL TAKE YOU HOME AGAIN, KATHLEEN was written by Thomas P. Westendorf. |
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11 Oct 04 - 11:41 PM (#1294864) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Thanks for your efforts here. A lot of old material in the DT lacks good attribution, and it takes time to run it down. |
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14 Oct 04 - 08:22 AM (#1296794) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon THE TRAIL OF THE LONESOME PINE is missing a verse, and the spacing gives the wrong impression of which part is the chorus. A more complete and accurate version is given here. |
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14 Oct 04 - 04:42 PM (#1297181) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer The Regular Army, O was performed by Harrigan and Hart, Words by Edward Harrigan. Music Adapted and Arranged by Dave Braham, published in 1874. The version in the Digital Tradition is, as stated, from Loesser's Humor in American Song. There is sheet music at the Levy Sheet Music Collection. The Harrigan version is different from the DT version. It could be that a traditional version predates the Harrigan-Hart version. -Joe Offer- |
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15 Oct 04 - 11:48 PM (#1298368) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon PASSING THRU should be spelled PASSING THROUGH, and it was written by Dick Blakeslee in 1948. It has been recorded by Dick Blakeslee, Leonard Cohen, Cisco Houston, and Pete Seeger. |
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17 Oct 04 - 03:05 PM (#1299169) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon According to the sheet music at The Library of Congress American Memory Collection, WHY DON'T THEY DO SO NOW? was written by E. F. Dixey in 1865. (This seems to be the ancestor of I WISH THEY'D DO IT NOW.) |
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17 Oct 04 - 03:13 PM (#1299173) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon I forgot to mention: The text of WHY DON'T THEY DO SO NOW? needs to have a blank line inserted to separate the chorus from the second verse. The chorus is actually only 2 lines long. |
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19 Oct 04 - 07:29 AM (#1300541) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon In LE DÉSERTEUR, letters with accent marks have been lost or converted to "_". The original can be found here Accents can be a problem and can change from machine to machine. Is there a good way to handle them? SofDT |
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20 Oct 04 - 05:33 AM (#1301491) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon STEP IT OUT, MARY was written by Sean McCarthy, according to information in several threads. |
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24 Oct 04 - 01:52 AM (#1305415) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon The title BIRD IN A GUILDED CAGE is misspelled. It should be "GILDED". |
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07 Nov 04 - 10:20 PM (#1320103) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon GENERAL GUINESS unfortunately misspells "Guinness" both in the title and twice in the lyrics. |
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18 Nov 04 - 10:48 PM (#1331836) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Eve of Destruction: Words were by Phil F. Sloan, 1965; music by Steve Barri. Barry McGuire did the definitive recording of the song. -Joe Offer- |
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21 Nov 04 - 11:32 AM (#1334460) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon THE LITTLE DRUMMER BOY was written by Katherine K. Davis, Henry Onorati, and Harry Simeone, according to several web sites, for example, this one. |
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05 Dec 04 - 11:53 AM (#1348026) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon According to Bill Watkins' web site, THE ERRANT APPRENTICE has words by Bill Watkins and music by Andy M. Stewart and Gerry O'Beirne.
Also, the last two lines should be: |
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07 Dec 04 - 12:43 AM (#1349603) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Desert Dancer Liverpool Lullaby is copyright 1960, Heathside Music. It should be Lyrics - Stan Kelly. The tune is the traditional Tyneside "Dollia", arr. Stan Kelly (as cited on an old Stan Kelly web site). Dollia itself is entitled "Dol-li-a" in the DT, and the connection with Liverpool Lullaby is made there, as well as in a couple of messages in the Forum. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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10 Dec 04 - 04:50 AM (#1352717) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon ALL HAIL TO THE DAYS and IN PRAISE OF CHRISTMAS are practically identical—they even have the same source—except that the first is printed as 8 verses of 4 lines and the second is 4 verses of 8 lines. I think the second arrangement is more accurate, but that copy also contains more typos. |
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10 Dec 04 - 07:39 AM (#1352842) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Leadfingers Ewan MacColls 'Go Down Ye Murderers' is missing an R in the title , making it rather difficult(IMPOSSIBLE) to find from 'Search'. |
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18 Dec 04 - 03:57 AM (#1360261) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer This thread provides corrected lyrics and songwriter attribution for Pete Mundey's Take Your Time. It's NOT by Loudon Wainwright I, II, or III. -Joe Offer- |
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20 Dec 04 - 04:49 PM (#1361801) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer See this thread (click) for information about the two versions of "The Good Boy" in the Digital Tradition. The first DT version is from Carl Sandburg, whose source was Lemuel F. Parton - Parton was NOT the songwriter. There are a few typographical corrections in the version posted in the thread. The second version in the DT is unattributed - as explained in the thread, lyrics are by Bruce "Utah" Phillips, and tune is traditional. -Joe Offer- |
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22 Dec 04 - 10:23 AM (#1363150) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Mark Ross Joe, I notice that you have my song BILL PICKETT in the DT twice, under 2 different names, BILL PICKETT, and OLD BILL PICKETT. Only one of them is attributed to me. A small thing I know. Is it possible to fix it? Mark Ross |
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22 Dec 04 - 09:51 PM (#1363688) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: GUEST,Paul Kaplan Joe, Three of my songs are in DT, which I consider a great honor. However, all three songs have mistakes, some minor and some less minor. Should I list the corrections on this forum, or should we correspond privately, or should I despair of getting them fixed? Looking at this thread, I have cause for hope! Paul Kaplan
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22 Dec 04 - 10:24 PM (#1363703) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Paul Kaplan, I would suggest that you post the correct lyrics to the thread with the bad transcriptions- if there is a thread- or start a new thread devoted to Paul Kaplan lyrics. Post the complete lyrics, not just corrections. That way, everybody can see the correct versions. Preface each title with Lyr. Add: Joe Offer may have a better suggestion. |
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23 Dec 04 - 07:47 AM (#1363979) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Leadfingers Go Down Ye Murderers is till wrongly titled ! |
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23 Dec 04 - 07:47 AM (#1363980) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Leadfingers Oh And By The way |
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23 Dec 04 - 07:47 AM (#1363981) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Leadfingers 100 !!! |
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23 Dec 04 - 06:39 PM (#1364486) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Susan of DT Paul - post them here so I will see them. Leadfingers - it is down to 100 because I have finally gotten back to chewing on this thread and deleting the ones I fixed, so this is my to do list. The new version of the DT will be a long time coming (we have done 2 since the last one posted here) - late 2005 maybe. Dick produces a DOS version of the DT. The person who used to convert this into Mac/windows/web has other projects. Max's remaining elf promised to look into automating the conversion from DOS, but has other projects ahead of that. What I am fixing is the master copy for the next version of the DT, NOT the one posted here, so links are less helpful than the title or filename as it currently appears in the database. |
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23 Dec 04 - 07:27 PM (#1364519) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Leadfingers OK Susan - Thank you - Just a reminder , |
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23 Dec 04 - 10:26 PM (#1364602) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Susan: Please don't delete messages from this thread until the corrections actually show up in the DT! And I mean the version of the DT that we can see here at Mudcat! Otherwise how can I know which errors you already know about, and which ones you don't? I don't want to waste my time posting new corrections if there's a chance that those very same corrections have already been posted and deleted! I don't keep any record of what corrections I've already posted (or that anyone else has posted, for that matter). And my memory isn't that good. This thread is my only record! I've put a lot of work into researching and posting corrections to the DT. I don't want to see my work disappear into a black hole. I want these corrections to be accessible to me and to other Mudcat users at least until the corrected version of the DT appears. Susan, please find another way of maintaining your "to do" list that doesn't involve deleting messages. Please keep in mind that if you take something off your "to do" list because you consider it "done" – it still isn't "done" as far as I'm concerned, if I can't see the corrected version!
Messages will be moved here to thread 71227 (click) after they are recorded.Hope that's satisfactory.-Joe Offer- |
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17 Jan 05 - 02:40 PM (#1380775) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon [Yes, Joe. Thanks.] AS TIME GOES BY was written by Herman Hupfeld in 1931, NOT Hoagy Carmichael (as it says in the DT) and NOT Hupfield (as it says in some places in the Forum). See Indiana University Sheet Music Collections or Songwriters Hall of Fame. |
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17 Jan 05 - 03:11 PM (#1380793) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon ALICE BLUE GOWN Words by Joseph McCarthy, music by Harry Tierney (1919). A more complete version is given here. |
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17 Jan 05 - 03:59 PM (#1380833) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon THE BAGGAGE COACH AHEAD should be titled IN THE BAGGAGE-COACH AHEAD It was written by Gussie L. Davis in 1896. A better transcription is given here. |
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17 Jan 05 - 10:59 PM (#1381123) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon BLUE HAWAII was written by Leo Robin, Ralph Rainger in 1937. |
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17 Jan 05 - 11:53 PM (#1381154) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon BLUE EYES CRYING IN THE RAIN was written by Fred Rose, not Willie Nelson. See this thread. |
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24 Jan 05 - 01:53 AM (#1386811) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Paxton's I Can't Help But Wonder Where I'm Bound has a couple of glaring typos, says Alice:
Last verse, "a rambling too" should be "a rambler, too" and "bat the door" should be "bar the door". There are some typographical errors in "Chinee Bumboatman." I posted a corrected version in this thread (click). Passing Through (note spelling) was written by Dick Blakeslee in 1947 or 1948. -Joe Offer- |
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25 Feb 05 - 02:55 AM (#1420350) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Nothing Like Grog has a number of lines missing, and should be attributed to Charles Dibdin. I did a corrected transcription of the song in this thread (click). -Joe Offer- |
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09 Mar 05 - 12:47 AM (#1430271) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer As far as I can tell, I'm an Old cowhand (from the Rio Grande) - filename[ COWHAND - was written by Johnny Mercer in 1936. The DT is missing a line ans has some discrepancies. Full lyrics are in this thread (click). -Joe Offer- Seems to be a spelling error in the title of Lod Cornwallis' Surrender. |
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19 Mar 05 - 03:01 AM (#1438170) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer From another thread:
Posted By: GUEST,Elise 18-Mar-05 - 03:35 PM Thread Name: It's Organic: How do I submit a correction?- Subject: Lyr Add: Correction to It's Organic Hi! I just ran across your site doing a google search for songs I learned years ago in girl scout camp in California. The one you have posted is missing one line. It doesn't rhyme without that(see *). Here's a correction: |
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06 Apr 05 - 04:41 AM (#1453379) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon SULLY'S PAIL was written by Dick Gibbons, not Tom Paxton, as pointed out in these threads: Digital Tradition is wrong - Sully's Pail (which also lists some spelling errors) Sully's Pail (Paxton?) This song was given to me by (whoever) |
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08 Apr 05 - 08:00 PM (#1455795) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon FAREWELL ANGELINA contains numerous errors. There is a better copy here (although I would prefer to see it printed as 4-line, rather than 8-line stanzas). |
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09 Apr 05 - 09:51 PM (#1456702) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon This thread from October 2000 has some corrections to UNIVERSAL SOLDIER which still haven't been made. |
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11 Apr 05 - 07:24 PM (#1458475) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon ROSY UP ON MOORE STREET should actually be called ROSIE UP IN MOORE STREET, and the author's name is Pete St John (not St Johns). |
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15 Apr 05 - 06:12 PM (#1462516) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) "THE BOSKEY STEER" The Boskey Steer , also known as Jake and Rome, Jake and Roany, Jake and Roanie, was written by Henry Herbert Knibbs and first published in his book, "Songs of the Last Frontier," 1930, Houghton- Mifflin, Boston.
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25 Apr 05 - 09:14 AM (#1470107) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon According to this thread, CROOKED JACK was written by Dominic Behan. Also, the chorus, which begins "I was tall and true," should be labeled as such. |
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24 Jun 05 - 04:29 PM (#1508954) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Lyrics to MARY'S DREAM, in the DT, were written by John Lowe in 1772. Lyrics in the DT, copied from Mary O. Eddy, "Ballads and Songs from Ohio," p. 201, titled Mary O' the Dee (Mary's Dream), are exactly as written by Lowe. John Lowe, 1750-1798, born in Scotland, emigrated to the United States. See: 1. Virtual American Biographies (Appleton's Cyclopedia of American Biography) www.famousamericans.net/johnlowe/ 2. www.contemplator.com/scotland/dream.html 3. www.robertburns.org/encyclopedia/OswaldMrsLucyc1767-97.696.shtml 4. Mary's Dream [Laws K20] - Lowe, John --appears in Cox, Wolfe, and Morris; also Haydn: Scottish Songs (1981). --www.ibiblio.org/folkindex/m04.htm 5. Gilfillan, George, Specimens with Memoirs of the Less-known British Poets, volume 3: www.gutenberg.org/etext/9669 6. Cox, J. H. 1925, "Folk-Songs of the South," correctly attributed the lyrics to John Lowe and gave references; he collected the song as "Mary O' the Dee" but knew of its occurrence in "The Scots Musical Museum" and other works, and was aware that the supposed Scottish dialect original (by Cunningham?) was a later creation. 7. Several attributed song sheets in the Bodleian Library. Etc. The tune, so far as is known, is traditional. It has been used for other lyrics, including at least one Confederate Civil War song. It is strange that Mary O. Eddy was not aware of the origin of this well-known 'ghost' song. |
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07 Aug 05 - 09:49 PM (#1537205) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Note corrections to attribution and lyrics for the song "Borderlines" in this thread (click). "The Ferryman" (DT File FERRYMAN) was written by Pete St. John. Corrected lyrics are in my post toward the end of this thread (click). "The Isle of Innisfree" was written by Richard Farrelly. Corrected lyrics from his son's Website are toward the end of this thread. I put the lyrics in a different typeface so they're easy to find. -Joe Offer- |
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10 Aug 05 - 07:36 PM (#1539738) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Re: HOW MUCH IS THAT DOGGIE IN THE WINDOW The correct title is THAT DOGGIE IN THE WINDOW. I suppose you could show it as (HOW MUCH IS) THAT DOGGIE IN THE WINDOW. The songwriter is Bob Merrill, published 1953. This information from Indiana University Sheet Music Collections. |
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26 Aug 05 - 12:02 AM (#1549971) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Rita MacNeil's name is spelled two different ways at THE WAR OF CONDITIONING and they're both wrong. |
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04 Sep 05 - 07:53 PM (#1556201) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer See this thread, which says that "By the Dry Cardrona" - filename[ CARDRONA - is not an Australian song - it's from New Zealand. The DT version has a Sandy Paton transcription that has been filtered through at least a couple of American singers and has a few Mondegreens. The thread has what may be a better transcription. -Joe Offer- |
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19 Sep 05 - 01:03 AM (#1566433) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Re: THE DRAPES OF ROTH, attributed to "Alan Sherman". According to this Allan Sherman discography, the correct title of this song is THE BALLAD OF HARRY LEWIS, And the spelling is Allan, not Alan. |
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19 Oct 05 - 11:52 PM (#1586737) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Alastair McDonald wrote Culloden's Harvest |
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20 Oct 05 - 07:53 AM (#1586843) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon ALL MY LIFE'S A CIRCLE by Harry Chapin. The correct title is simply CIRCLE.
But that's my opinion, stated here so Susan of DT can see it and decide. -Joe Offer- |
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20 Oct 05 - 08:19 PM (#1587373) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Susanne (skw) The Yew Tree - uncredited. It was penned by Brian McNeill. Two strange titles in the DT: Notwork Southeast - should be Network Southeast
-Joe Offer- North Sea Holes - should be North Sea Shaols, although I've seen it with the former title on a Bob Fox CD. Doesn't make it right, though.
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27 Oct 05 - 09:09 AM (#1591690) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Snuffy Network Southeast is the official name of the train company, but NOTwork Southeast is the correct title of the song, because the trains did NOT WORK properly (or at all) |
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29 Oct 05 - 09:09 AM (#1593084) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Snuffy In LIVERPOOL LULLABY, Nelly is not working at the loom, but at the Lune (Lune Laundry, Lawrence Road, Wavertree, Liverpool). I remember seeing their vans all over Liverpool in the 60s and 70s. Look at the bottom of this page: A Wavertree Memory |
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29 Oct 05 - 05:19 PM (#1593335) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Susanne (skw) Thank you, Snuffy, for both infos. LL was one of the first songs I tried to puzzle out 30 years ago, and I kept finding mistakes because my English was still somewhat deficient. That's when I bought a computer. |
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31 Oct 05 - 06:42 PM (#1594499) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon I'VE BEEN AROUND - David Mallett's name is misspelled (as Mallet). |
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31 Oct 05 - 06:52 PM (#1594504) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Likewise, at THE GARDEN SONG and THE ANTI-GARDEN SONG, David Mallett's name is misspelled (as Mallet) – but there, they call him "Dave." (I guess that's OK, since on some of his albums, he's called Dave, and on some, he's called David.) |
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06 Nov 05 - 03:22 PM (#1598810) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Desert Dancer THE FALSE LADY words and midi are apparently transcribed from the singing of Tony Barrand on Dark Ships in the Forest (as cited in abbreviated form). This version is in Bronson's Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads as No. 68. Young Hunting, version no. 36 [The Faulse Ladye] (p. 78). He took it from Barry, Eckstorm, and Smyth, p. 122 (Barry, Phillips, Fannie H. Ecksorm, and Mary W. Smyth. British Ballads from Maine. New Haven, 1929.). It was sung by Thomas Edward Nelson, in Union Mills, New Brunswick, Canada, on February 18, 1929. He learned it from his mother, who was born in Ireland. John & Tony's printed text has "beg and stay all night" in the second line of the first and second verse as in the original, but not in the DT. I think John and Tony's rendition loses the G#s at the end of the tune, probably due to the straight Gm banjo accompaniment that John Roberts uses. Here's the tune as in Bronson: X:1 T:False Lady C:Trad. N:Bronson 68.36. p. 78 Q:1/4=120 M:4/4 L:1/8 K:Am E2 |A2 A2 A3 B |A2 G2 E3 E |c2 d2 c2 d2 |e6 E2 |A2 A2 c2 d2 |e2 e2 e2 ee |d2 c2 AG E2 |c4 B2 AA |^G2 A=G E2 ^G2 |A6 |] ~ Becky in Tucson Sent to dick for tune update |
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04 Dec 05 - 01:54 AM (#1619654) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Seven Daffodils attribution: (words by Fran Moseley, Music by Lee Hays), 1957, Sang Music. I've also submitted corrected lyrics and a tune in this thread. -Joe Offer- |
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20 Dec 05 - 12:34 AM (#1631035) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon The song that is called A SAILOR AIN'T A SAILOR should actually be called LAST SHANTY. This is how it is named on Tom Lewis's web site |
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31 Dec 05 - 10:32 AM (#1638083) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon WAY DOWN IN SHAWNEETOWN should actually be called simply SHAWNEETOWN, according to several websites such as Sing Out, which attributes it to "Traditional/Dillon Bustin." |
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16 Mar 06 - 01:24 AM (#1694879) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer This thread says The Easter Tree was written by Dave Goulder. filename[ EASTRTRE -Joe- |
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15 Apr 06 - 04:23 AM (#1718557) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Subject: Bug Eye author From: Trapper Date: 14-Apr-06 - 06:48 PM Wanted to mention that the song you list as "The Bug Eye" was written and copyrighted by the late Robert Kotta, as was "Tequila in the Jar". |
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27 Apr 06 - 07:20 AM (#1728660) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon MEN was written by Martin Mull and Steve Martin, as it explains in this thread and at this Steve Martin web site. |
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13 Jun 06 - 08:23 AM (#1758776) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon THE GAMBLER (3) was written by Don Schlitz and recorded by Kenny Rogers in 1978. |
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13 Jun 06 - 11:41 PM (#1759464) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon GENTLE ON MY MIND was written by John Hartford, 1967. |
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14 Jun 06 - 08:46 AM (#1759662) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon TENNESSEE WALTZ was written by Redd Stewart and Pee Wee King, 1948. |
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16 Jun 06 - 01:18 AM (#1761146) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon The words to HOME ON THE RANGE are by Brewster M. Higley, 1873; the music by Daniel E. Kelley, 1904. I have this information from "The Reader's Digest Country and Western Songbook," but it is also given in a couple of threads about the song. |
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19 Jun 06 - 12:28 AM (#1763355) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon "The Reader's Digest Country and Western Songbook" says ORANGE BLOSSOM SPECIAL was written by Ervin T. Rouse, and was copyrighted in 1938. There is also information in this thread |
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19 Jun 06 - 02:46 PM (#1763897) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Barry Finn Ida Lewis in the DT was written by Barry Finn. Barry Finn |
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11 Jul 06 - 01:11 AM (#1780774) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon As Arly pointed out in this thread, the song that's called OVER AND OVER AGAIN in the DT is actually PEACE MUST COME by Paul Metsers.
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18 Jul 06 - 02:40 AM (#1786136) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Blue Water Line, a signature song for the Brothers Four, was written by Dora Graf and Martin Seligson. The DT says the song was recorded by Kingston Trio, but I don't believe that's so. The only recording I could find is the one by the Brothers Four - but that one recording is on eight different CD's. Oh - and the DT has the name of William Jennings Bryan wrong.... -Joe Offer- Corrections to lyrics in this thread (click) |
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10 Aug 06 - 09:17 PM (#1806843) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon THREE LITTLE FISHES should actually be called THREE LITTLE FISHIES. It was written by Saxie Dowell, copyright 1939. The actual published lyrics are written in "baby talk": "Down in de meddy in a itty bitty poo" etc. This thread: Lyr Req: Three Little Fishies has publication data and partial lyrics. |
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03 Sep 06 - 04:27 AM (#1825777) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer The DT has The Grenwood Laddie taken from Kennedy - but Kennedy calls it "The Greenwood Laddie." See this thread (click) for minor corrections to the lyrics, as transcribed from Kennedy. Free the People is by Phil Coulter and Bill Martin. This thread has some lyrics corrections. -Joe Offer- |
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16 Oct 06 - 09:47 PM (#1860920) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Desert Dancer The copyright attribution to Randy Newman for "Polly on the Shore" is quite mysterious. Thanks to a guest, here for a recent heads up. Also noted by Malcolm Douglas back in 2001... (and in another thread that year as well). Trad., certainly. Not immediately apparent where that exact text came from, unless someone's got the Fairport album to check. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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07 Nov 06 - 02:54 PM (#1878512) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) "Wait for the Wagon" in the DT is credited to R. Bishop Buckley, the Englishman who organized Buckley's Minstrels. Although this seems to be a minstrel song, the attribution should be followed by (?). The earliest American sheet music (1851) has "Words & Music (?). PD music lists the words by anonymous and music by Buckley, arr. Geo. P. Knauff. George P. Knauff, who published the Important "Virginia Reels, I," in 1839, cannot be ignored as the possible composer of the music (and the words in the DT), or at least should be cited as co-author. |
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14 Nov 06 - 02:27 AM (#1885299) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Crying was written by Roy Orbison and Joe Melson, 1961 - DT has it attributed to Don McLean. -Joe- |
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19 Nov 06 - 08:09 PM (#1888628) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon All the following information comes from James J. Fuld's book "The Book of World Famous Music," Fourth Edition, 1995: ALMA MATER (CORNELL) - Music, "Annie Lisle," H. S. Thompson, 1858. Words, Archibald C. Weeks and Wilmot M. Smith, 1872. BEER BARREL POLKA - Music, Jaromír Vejvoda. Original Czech words (ŠKODA LÁSKY) Vašek Zeman, 1934. English words, Lew Brown and Wladimir A. Timm, 1939. BELIEVE ME IF ALL THOSE ENDEARING YOUNG CHARMS - Words, Thomas Moore, 1807-8. Music, unknown, 1775. BILL BAILEY should be called BILL BAILEY WON'T YOU PLEASE COME HOME? CASEY JONES – Words, T. Lawrence Seibert. Music, Eddie Newton. 1909. CIELITO LINDO – Quirino Mendoza y Cortez, 1919. DAISY BELL OR A BICYCLE MADE FOR TWO – should be called DAISY BELL (A BICYCLE BUILT FOR TWO). HALLS OF MONTEZUMA should be called THE MARINES' HYMN. Music, Jacques Offenbach, 1868. Words, uncertain, 1917. HARK THE HERALD ANGELS SING – Words, Charles Wesley, 1739; modified by George Whitefield, 1753. Music, Felix Mendelssohn, 1840. I DREAM OF JEANNIE WITH THE LIGHT BROWN HAIR – should be called JEANIE WITH THE LIGHT BROWN HAIR (note one 'N' in 'JEANIE') IT AIN'T GONNA RAIN NO MO' - the original lyrics are given in http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=2392#1487974. It was written by Wendell Hall in 1923. IT CAME UPON THE MIDNIGHT CLEAR – words, Edmund H. Sears, 1849; music, Richard Storrs Willis, 1850. IT'S A LONG LONG WAY TO TIPPERARY – Jack Judge and Harry Williams, 1912. JOY TO THE WORLD (1) – words, Isaac Watts, 1719. Music, Lowell Mason, 1837. K-K-K-KATY – Geoffrey O'Hara, 1918. LAST ROSE OF SUMMER should be called 'TIS THE LAST ROSE OF SUMMER. The lyrics are by Thomas Moore, but the tune is an altered version of a traditional one, THE GROVES OF BLARNEY. LISTEN TO THE MOCKING BIRD – note "MOCKING BIRD" should be two words. Words, Alice Hawthorne. Music, Richard Milburn. 1855. LONG LONG TRAIL should be called THERE'S A LONG LONG TRAIL. Words, Stoddard King. Music, Zo Elliott, 1914. O COME ALL YE FAITHFUL – music and original Latin words (ADESTE FIDELES) written by John Francis Wade, 1750. The familiar English words were written by Frederick Oakeley in 1852. OH GENEVIEVE should be called SWEET GENEVIEVE. Words, George Cooper. Music, Henry Tucker. 1869. OH LITTLE TOWN OF BETHLEHEM should be O LITTLE.... Words, Rev. Dr. Phillips Brooks, 1868. The words have been set to various tunes by different people. REUBEN AND RACHEL. The original version begins "Reuben, I have long been thinking." Complete lyrics are posted at http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=63065#1021832 . Words, Harry Birch; Music, William Gooch; 1878. RUDOLPH, THE RED-NOSED REINDEER (without the kids' additions) was written by Johnny Marks, 1949. SWEET ADELINE – Words, Richard H. Gerard. Music, Henry W. Armstrong. 1903. SWEET AND LOW – Words, Alfred Tennyson, 1850. Music, J. Barnby, 1863. THE CAISSONS GO ROLLING ALONG was written by Edmund L Gruber. THE MAN ON THE FLYING TRAPEZE 2 has the correct original lyrics, and is correctly attributed to George Leybourne; however the title should be THE FLYING TRAPEZE. THE MAN ON THE FLYING TRAPEZE [1] is apparently a folk variant. THERE'LL BE A HOT TIME should be called A HOT TIME IN THE OLD TOWN. VIVE L'AMOUR should be called VIVE LA COMPAGNIE, according to its original publication. |
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01 Dec 06 - 04:45 PM (#1897811) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer HER BRIGHT SMIE HAUNTS ME STILL might be easier to find if the title were changed. Same spelling in the 2005 DT, so it's still incorrect. -Joe- |
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11 Mar 07 - 10:39 PM (#1993920) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Wait For the Wagon- Sheet music, 1851, F. D. Benteen, publisher, Baltimore. Song credited to George P. Knauff. Sheet music, c. 1851, Miller and Beacham, Baltimore. Song credited to George P. Knauff. (These in American Memory) Song published without attribution, but noted as published by James E. Boswell, Baltimore, in Christy's Plantation Melodies, 1851, Fisher and Brother, Philadelphia. This publication on line, American Libraries Collection, at Text Archive. http://www.archive.org/details/texts Further note in closed permathread. |
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13 Jun 07 - 05:44 PM (#2076189) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon DEVIL VERSUS THE WIDOW is correctly attributed to Mick Ryan, but the title should be THE WIDOW'S PROMISE. That's what Mick called it on his album by the same name. I don't see the point of giving less information in a title than is currently given. Few songs have a "real" title and, even when they do have a real title, people do not necessarily know that and look for it that way. S of DT |
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26 Jun 07 - 01:43 AM (#2087058) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Ten O'Clock and All Is Well - songwriters are Bob Gibson and Bob (Hamilton) Camp. The Judy Collins recording leaves off the tragic last verse. I'm glad the DT includes it. -Joe Offer- |
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20 Jul 07 - 01:18 AM (#2107381) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon THE EDMUND FITZGERALD should properly be called THE WRECK OF THE EDMUND FITZGERALD. |
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12 Aug 07 - 10:33 PM (#2124532) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer "Lost Jimmy Whelan 2" has lots of OCR errors. Corrected text in this message (click). -Joe- |
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24 Sep 07 - 08:19 AM (#2156207) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon MANSION ON THE HILL was written by Hank Williams and Fred Rose, not Jim Reeves. See this thread. |
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19 Nov 07 - 04:16 PM (#2197766) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Hi, Susan - looks like we have two DT songs titled "Still I Love Him 2" - I think they're identical, but it's hard for me to see them side-by-side on this laptop. -Joe- |
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21 Nov 07 - 01:14 AM (#2198972) Subject: DT Correction: Finlandia From: Joe Offer Corrected typos for lyrics of "Finlandia" FINLANDIA (Words, Lloyd Stone; Music Jean Sibelius) This is my song, O God of all the nations A song of peace, for lands afar and mine This is my home, the country where my heart is Here are my hopes, my dreams, my holy shrine But other hearts in other lands are beating With hopes and dreams as true and high as mine My country's skies are bluer than the ocean And sunlight beams on clover leaf and pine But other lands have sunlight too, and clover And skies are everywhere as blue as mine O hear my song, thou God of all the nations A song of peace for their land and for mine performed by the Indigo Girls on their first self-titled EP. @patriotic filename[ FINLNDIA TUNE FILE: FINLNDIA TD oct97 |
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21 Nov 07 - 02:34 PM (#2199369) Subject: DT Correction: Jolly Tinker 2 From: Joe Offer The DT version of "Jolly Tinker 2" is taken from Traditional American Folk Songs, Warner and Warner Collected from Lena Bourne Fish The warner book has one additional verse: THE JOLLY TINKER 2 I am a jolly tinker That goes from town to town, I will mend your pots and kettles If you'll only bring them 'round. Chorus: Tu-ra-laddy, tu-ra-laddy, Tu-ra-laddy hi-row. I know how to solder And I can mend a pot, I can also stop a hole So it will not leak a drop. I can mend umbrellas And I can tinker a clock, The housewives are all smiles When they see the tinker stop. A tinker never marries, Has a girl in every town, And they shower me with kisses As they bring their kettles down. They feast me and regale me With choicest meats and wine, At whatever house I stop at I can always sup and dine. So many wait my coming, For I have many friends, I never stored much gold, Yet I have a lot to spend. My life is wild and free And I do not seek renown, I'm just a jolly tinker With a girl in every town. From Traditional American Folk Songs, Warner and Warner Collected from Lena Bourne Fish, 1940 @work @rambling filename[ JOLITNK2 TUNE FILE: JOLITNK2 RG |
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23 Nov 07 - 04:19 PM (#2200896) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon The song that is called SAINT BRENDAN'S VOYAGE in the DT should actually be called ST. BRENDAN'S FAIR ISLE. (It is correctly attributed to Jimmie Driftwood.) There is a different song called ST. BRENDAN'S VOYAGE by Christy Moore. The lyrics are here: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=38251#536819
-Joe Offer- |
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25 Nov 07 - 03:32 AM (#2201694) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer While we're on the subject of Jimmie Driftwood, He Had a Long Chain On is the proper title of "Long Chain On" - and the songwriter was Jimmie Driftwood. -Joe Offer- |
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05 Dec 07 - 02:13 AM (#2208876) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer "On the Road to Fairfax County" filename[ RDFAIRFX is by David Massengill - note spelling of songwriter name |
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06 Dec 07 - 06:45 PM (#2210093) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer The DT transcription of Tommy Thompson's "Hot Buttered Rum" has some mondegreens. You'll find a much better transcription in this post from the ever-reliable rich r. I wonder where Rich has been lately. -Joe- |
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21 Dec 07 - 08:00 AM (#2220251) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon The song that's called GREEN GREEN, IT'S GREEN THEY SAY in the DT should actually be called GREEN GREEN. It was written by Barry McGuire and Randy Sparks, and was recorded by The New Christy Minstrels. |
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22 Dec 07 - 06:15 PM (#2221117) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon The song that's called CANAAN'S LAND in the DT should actually be called TO CANAAN'S LAND I'M ON MY WAY. It was written by William M. Golden in 1914. There is a more complete text posted by Masato here. |
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12 Jan 08 - 03:37 PM (#2234883) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer "Two-Cent Coal" appears twice bin both the online and DOS versions of the database. Also, not corrections and tune from Snuffy for Mike Heron's The Hedgehog Song -Joe- |
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13 Jan 08 - 05:55 AM (#2235249) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Snuffy Joe That Hedgehog ABC plays at half speed on the ABC converter at Folkinfo, but if you change it to M:2/4 and L:1/16 it's much nearer the right tempo. |
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30 Jan 08 - 09:48 PM (#2249199) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Corrected lyrics and tune for "Poor Murdered Woman" are here (click). "Cornish Lads" appears twice in the 2007 database, both with the same filename, CORNLADS The lyrics are identical, but the one entry has better background notes. There is a tune in Mudcat MIDIs, none in the DT. -Joe- |
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06 Feb 08 - 07:04 PM (#2255457) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon In LADS O' THE FAIR, what appears to be the first 2 lines of verse 2 are actually the last 2 lines of the chorus. Verse 2 should begin with "Come, Geordie, lead the pony…." Also, the number of lines per verse appears to vary, but this is only because of the arbitrary and inconsistent placement of the line breaks. There is a better copy of the lyrics at Dick Gaughan's web site. |
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16 Mar 08 - 01:16 AM (#2289495) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Garing @ Typo in second-last verse of "Crawdad." - also in the third verse. |
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22 Mar 08 - 11:51 AM (#2295167) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon A song by Ron Angel is in the DT twice under different titles: PROCESS MAN and I. C. I. SONG (CHEMICAL WORKERS SONG). The first one has one more verse. There's not necessarily anything wrong with having two versions, but you might want to cross-reference them somehow (if that's possible). |
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22 Mar 08 - 06:01 PM (#2295427) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Mark Ross My song OLD BILL PICKETT is in the DT twice once as that and once as just BILL PICKETT, and I forget which one of them attributes it to me, the other has no attribution. Mark Ross
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03 Jun 08 - 03:13 PM (#2356452) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon MEAN TALKING BLUES, which is attributed to Woody Guthrie in the DT, is actually an anti-Guthrie parody by Art Thieme, which was originally posted here. The real MEAN TALKING BLUES, written by Guthrie, is given later in the same thread, here, although that copy has a few gaps. |
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05 Jun 08 - 08:11 AM (#2358141) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon THE CLOAKMAMER'S UNION is a misspelling for CLOAKMAKER'S UNION. |
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15 Jun 08 - 07:05 PM (#2366554) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer De Colores - note spelling corrections in this message. What we have, is a little embarrassing... Or maybe it's just that the song and the Spanish language are better-known here on the West Coast. The DT is missing two of Bob Nolan's verses for "Cool Water." The complete, corrected version is here (click). Oh, That Low Bridge filename[ LOWBRDGE songwriters (Edward Harrigan & David Braham) publication date: 1885 IMPORTANT: Please note songwriter Richard Nardin's corrections to "The Piper's Refrain" in this thread (click). -Joe- |
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16 Jul 08 - 06:07 PM (#2390974) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Don McLean's name is misspelled (as McClean) at VINCENT (STARRY, STARRY NIGHT). |
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29 Aug 08 - 03:49 PM (#2425759) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer The Banks of Sweet Dundee (2) has a number of OCR errors. I posted a corrected version here (click). String Band Disaster needs Bob Clayton's name in parentheses after title for indexing. Same with Glory Train and A World of Time. |
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02 Sep 08 - 07:39 AM (#2428548) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon MY HEART IS IN IRELAND was written by Brian Warfield (according to Allmusic.com). |
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10 Sep 08 - 01:24 PM (#2436403) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon NO MAN'S LAND (3) (a parody) has Fintan Vallely's name misspelled (as "Valaly"). |
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12 Sep 08 - 07:33 PM (#2438840) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Note: DIE GUTE KAMERAD filename[ KAMRADEN Correct name for the song is DER GUTE KAMERAD |
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22 Sep 08 - 03:40 PM (#2447542) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon CROSS THE BRAZOS FROM WACO: The correct title is CROSS THE BRAZOS AT WACO. (And that's the phrase that occurs in the lyrics also.) |
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27 Sep 08 - 05:14 PM (#2451777) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer The DT has two identical entries for "The Minstrel," by Graham and Eileen Pratt. One entry has a tune, and the other does not. In addition, the lyrics are missing one verse. Please remove the two, and replace them with the corrected lyrics posted by Jeri in this thread (click) This thread (click) has spelling and wording corrections for Tom Paxton's "I Am Changing My Name to Chrysler." There are problems with the dashes in "Casabianca" - they appear as strange characters in the DOS DT, and disappear completely in the online DT. I reformatted the poem in the first post of this thread (click), so the lyrics should work correctly when you copy-paste. Note This thread about the DT song with the filename "Hobboots" - all the DT has is part of an ABC tune, no lyrics. Dooley (filename: DOOLEY) was written by Mitch Jayne and Rodney Dillard, recorded by the Killards and the Kingston Trio. The Digital Tradition has no attribution. Thanks. -Joe- |
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01 Oct 08 - 11:17 AM (#2454830) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon The song that's called A TRUE STORY in the DT, and attributed to "Kate Clinton, John McCutcheon, & Betsy Rose" is nearly identical to THE RED CORVETTE at John McCutcheon's web site. There, it says "words & music by John McCutcheon." |
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23 Oct 08 - 09:33 AM (#2473672) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon JOHNSON'S MOTOR CAR is incorrectly spelled GAR in the title. |
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17 Nov 08 - 03:41 PM (#2496070) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Fred Wedlock's name is misspelled (as Wsdlock) in THE FOLKER. |
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18 Nov 08 - 08:05 AM (#2496593) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon The songwriter of these songs is identified as "Andy Stewart": THE FISHERMAN'S SONG GOLDEN, GOLDEN THE CHILL EASTERN WINDS LOVERS HEART It would be better to list him as "Andy M. Stewart" to avoid confusing him with the older (and deceased) Andy Stewart. |
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18 Nov 08 - 12:49 PM (#2496851) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon KEEWANAW LIGHT should be spelled KEWEENAW, and the towns mentioned in the lyrics should be Ahmeek (not Ahneek) and Laurium (not Lorean). See Wikipedia.
There's good pasty eating on the Keweenaw Peninsula. Interestingly, there is no "Keweenaw Light" - there are two lighthouses on the peninsula, Copper Harbor and Eagle Harbor. -Joe Offer- |
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19 Nov 08 - 07:45 PM (#2498095) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon There's an obvious typo in the title SAM SMALL'S CHRISTMAN PUDDING. |
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21 Nov 08 - 02:18 PM (#2499507) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer "Bury Me Not On the Deep, Deep Sea" appears twice in both the online and DOS versions of the database, once with a tune and once without. filename[ BURYNOTC TUNE FILE: BURYNOTC |
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22 Nov 08 - 06:33 PM (#2500344) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Our religious version of "Go Tell It on the Mountain" has some nasty spelling errors. I suggest that you substitute the lyrics in this message (click). filename[ GOTELLMT Re: "Years of Peace" filename[ YRPEACE Please see the Years Are Coming thread for the correct name, background information, and lyrics of this song from the Unitarian hymnal. I've posted corrected lyrics to Lili Marleen in this message. filename[ LILIMRLN
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14 Dec 08 - 07:25 PM (#2515343) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Genie Bring A Torch, Jeannette, Isabella In this song, Jeannette and Isabelle (or "Isabella" in the English version) are two different girls. The lyrics (and title) should be "BRING A TORCH, JEANETTE, ISABELLA" or "UN FLAMBEAU, JEANETTE, ISABELLE" Bring a torch, Jeanette, Isabella! Bring a torch! To the stable run! It is Jesus, good folk of the village. Christ is born and Mary's calling: Ah! Ah! Beautiful is the mother, Ah! Ah! Beautiful is her son! It is wrong when the child is sleeping, It is wrong to talk so loud. Silence, all, as you gather around, Lest your noise should waken Jesus: Hush! Hush! See how fast he slumbers: Hush! Hush! See how fast he sleeps! Softly to the little stable, Softly for a moment come. Look and see how charming is Jesus, How he is white, his cheeks are rosy! Hush! Hush! See how the child is sleeping. Hush! Hush! See how he smiles in his dreams. In the French version, there's also a word left out. There should be three "Ah!"s in each of the last two lines. (The song doesn't scan right when one is left out.) Jeannette and Isabelle also need to be separated by a comma. En Français: Un flambeau, Jeanette, Isabelle, Un flambeau, courons au berceau! C'est Jesus, bonnes gens du hameau, Le Christ est né, Marie appelle, Ah! Ah! Ah! Que la mêre est belle. Ah! Ah! Ah! Que l'enfant est beau! C'est un tort quand l'Enfant sommeille, C'est un tort de crier si fort. Taisez-vous l'un et l'autre d'abord, Au moindre bruît Jesus s'eveille. Chut! Chut! Chut! Il dort a merveille. Chut! Chut! Chut! Voyez comme Il dort. Doucement dans l'etable close, Doucement venez un moment. Approchez! Que Jesus est charmant, Comme Il est blanc, comme Il est rose. Do! Do! Do! Que l'Enfant repose Do! Do! Do! Qu'Il rit en dormant. |
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14 Dec 08 - 09:20 PM (#2515402) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) The title does need correcting- Un flambeau, Jeanette, Isabelle, as you correctly cite it. Genie, your French text leaves out the second verse, and some accents are missing. The English lyrics leave out the third verse. There are several English translations, from two to four verses; I don't know that any one should be called definitive. For the music I know, the third ah!, chut!, do! in the third lines do not fit, there are two; in the fourth line, there are more (four at Cyberhymnal); Some choral directors go a little wild with this line. In a version posted by Haruo, thread 28247, 02 Dec 00, the three are needed in the third line- must be the one you sing! Different musical transcriptions; a matter of taste? French lyrics- French Flambeau English lyrics (4 verses) English lyrics (4 verses, the 3rd different from one posted by Joe and also different from one posted by Haruo, both in old threads) English flambeau thread 28247- Bring a torch I will post in thread 28247 the versions linked above. I think Joe's English version is in thread 3225. I will try to find some background to the song. |
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17 Dec 08 - 06:33 PM (#2518379) Subject: Queen of Argyll -- word change From: JesseW http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=4839 In the (hard to hear) third verse of Queen of Argyll, the line: "So my lads my needs must leave you," should be "So my lads, I needs must leave you," -- which makes more grammatical sense, too. Keep up the good work, folks! |
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18 Dec 08 - 07:32 PM (#2519379) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Our English lyrics for "Oh Come All Ye Faithful" are a bit sloppy. Usually, it's "O Come," and the choirs of angels sing in exultation. And the Latin in the DT is just wrong. filename[ ADESTFID TUNE FILE: ADESTFID I suggest you use one of the versions posted in this thread (click). This version (click) is from the Oxford Book of Carols, so it should be pretty accurate. You probably want to change this title to allcaps:
LITTLE MAN, you'VE HAD A BUSY DAY
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10 Apr 09 - 12:18 PM (#2608720) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Genny Haley's THE COWPUNCHER should actually be called THE BALLAD OF THE COWPUNCHER. At least, that's what it's called on John Roberts' and Tony Barrand's album "Live at Holstein's"—and that's the only recording I am able to find. |
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11 Apr 09 - 12:58 AM (#2609045) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon As Dale Rose explained here, the original version of THE PREACHER AND THE BEAR was written by George Fairman [1881-1962] in 1904. He sold the rights to the publisher, Arthur Longbrake, who then published it under the pseudonym of Joe Arzonia (note spelling: not Arizona). The 2 versions in the DT have been folk-processed to delete some "coon" references, so you probably should keep them, but correct their attributions. The original, warts and all, is here. |
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11 Apr 09 - 07:35 AM (#2609140) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon In this message, Murtagh Doile says that the title of ON MIDSUMMER DAY should be THE LUGHNASSAD SONG and the correct author is Stockbridge (Stock) Chandler. |
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13 Apr 09 - 08:49 PM (#2610606) Subject: Authorship correction: Cold Cold Heart (Williams) From: Genie I just noticed that Hank Williams's song "Cold, Cold Heart" is incorrectly titled in the DT, plus the DT does not give Hank his songwriter credit. The title is "Cold, Cold Heart," not "Your Cold, Cold Heart," and Hank wrote the lyrics and music for this song in 1951. The copyright may be held by some corporation, but Hank is the songwriter, not just one of the people who recorded it. Genie |
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24 Apr 09 - 08:23 PM (#2618220) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer filename[ HIROSHIM - titled "Hiroshima" in the database is actually titled "I Come and Stand at Every Door: Girl of Hiroshima" There are also many little mistakes in the lyrics. Corrected attribution, title, and lyrics are in this thread. -Joe- |
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07 May 09 - 08:26 PM (#2626749) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer The DT transcription of "Johnnie Sangster" [filename SANGSTER] has many little errors. My corrected transcription is in this message (click) |
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10 May 09 - 09:02 AM (#2628241) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon PUT ON YOUR OLD GREY BONNET and GOLDEN WEDDING DAY are the same song. The correct title is PUT ON YOUR OLD GREY BONNET. However, the version there contains a few errors. A corrected version is given here. |
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20 May 09 - 03:11 AM (#2636311) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer There's a full transcription of "Cool Water" in this message. The DT is missing two verses. filename[ COOLWATR TUNE FILE: COOLWATR |
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26 May 09 - 09:06 AM (#2641124) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon McSORLEY'S TWINS was written by Gus Phillips in 1885. A corrected version of the lyrics is here along with publication details. |
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26 May 09 - 12:32 PM (#2641220) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Leadfingers Forest Lawn in DT Is missing the first two lines of verse one ! Oh lay me down in Forest Lawns in a silver casket Put golden flowers over head in a silver basket |
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27 May 09 - 10:59 AM (#2641927) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Judy Dyble Just curious and not nagging at all, but I did send in some corrections to quite a few songs from the 1st Fairport album, that were on the DT bit (eg Jack o' Diamonds) nearly 18 months ago.. Did they get lost or have the lyrics simply not been corrected yet? Just wondering... Judy |
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27 May 09 - 01:49 PM (#2642035) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Susan of DT Judy - If it was on this thread and moved out, then it was done on the master. Depending on whether that was before or after the latest upload to here, it would or would not show in the version posted here. There should be a new version before too much longer. I just checked and do not see any messages from you on the completed corrections thread. Where did you post the correction? Dick has the master at the moment, which is why I have not taken care of these corrections. |
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27 May 09 - 02:07 PM (#2642049) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Judy Dyble Hi Susan, I can't remember now, but I did get this message from you in Feb 2008 "Your corrections were fine and they have been made on the master of the Digital Tradition. When that will appear on line is questionable. What Dick and I produce is not the same thing that Max needs to post. There are many technical issues, some of which got resolved for this last version. We hope to get the tunes straightened out for the next one and that is a bigger issue." So probably it just takes a long time to organise.. I was only wondering Judy |
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29 May 09 - 11:47 AM (#2643644) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon A CHURCHY BALLAD seems to be the same song as SONG FROM LUCIFER'S HAMMER. Midchuck, here, says the real original title was THE FRIGGIN' FALCON when it was published in Sing Out and attributed to Theodore Cogswell. |
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29 May 09 - 05:56 PM (#2643867) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon BALLYBAY should actually be called TOWN OF BALLYBAY. That's what it's called on Tommy Makem's own album and on most recordings. |
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02 Jun 09 - 08:02 PM (#2647001) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon FORTY SHADES OF GREEN (GREEN40) was written by Johnny Cash.
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08 Jun 09 - 10:18 PM (#2651878) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Re: Pretty Peg - filename[ KEACHCR4 The DT version comes from LaMarca, complete with places where the lyrics coun't be remembered. Wolfgang did a good job of filling in the blanks in this thread (click). Woody Guthrie's "I'm Gonna Mail Myself to You" is usually known as "Mail Myself to You." filename[ IMGOMAIL There's one really bad mondegreen in the DT lyrics - "I'm gonna dot myself with glue" should be daub myself with glue. Corrected lyrics are in the post from beardedbruce in this thread (click). "Row On" has a glaring typo in the first line (row on, row no), and a transposed date in the bottom notes - In Songs the Whalemen Sang, Gale Huntington gives 1846 as the date of the song. Filename[ ROWON full lyrics here (click), but it's mostly those two typos that stick out. -Joe- |
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27 Jun 09 - 01:49 AM (#2665732) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: GUEST,Gerry Is this the right place to note small errors in DT lyrics? DT has two slightly different versions of Love Me, I'm A Liberal. In one of them, the 2nd line of the 5th stamza is given as "I take every conceivable view." In the other, it's given correctly as "I've learned to take every view." For the 3rd line in the 6th stanza, both DT versions have "I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts." What Ochs actually sings (at least, in the recording on the live album) is "I attend all the Pete Seeger concerts."
In the DT version of The First Time, the 2nd line of the 2nd stanza got swapped with the 2nd line of the 3rd stanza.
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01 Aug 09 - 08:42 PM (#2691931) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Pete St. John's Danny Farrell [ filename[ DANFARRL ] has some Mondegreens. I transcribed the lyrics from a Pete St. John songbook and posted the lyrics here (click). I can also transcribe the tune - remind me if I forget. Also take a look at Pete St. John's ROSIE UP ON MOORE STREET [ filename[ ROSYMORE ] The correct name of the song is ROSIE UP IN MOORE STREET, and the DT has a few mistakes in the text. I posted corrected lyrics in this message. Donegal Danny [ filename[ DONGALDN ] needs attribution and a couple corrections. See the corrected lyrics here (click). -Joe- |
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02 Aug 09 - 01:31 AM (#2692007) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Genie Daisy Bell or Bicycle Made For Two The title should say "... Built For Two ..., " not "... Made For Two ... ." |
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02 Aug 09 - 01:00 PM (#2692248) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Daisy Bell The sheet music (at Levy Collection) is titled "Daisy Bell." (Bicycle built for two) should be in parentheses since it is not part of the title, but part of a line in the chorus. The publisher, 1892, is T. P. Harms & Co., New York (deposited Washington, Dec. 1, 1892); licensed to Francis Day & Hunter (entered Stationers Hall London, England, Dec. 13, 1892). In the DT, only Day & Hunter is cited. Genie is correct, the line has built, not 'made'. |
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03 Aug 09 - 10:42 PM (#2693243) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Genie The DT lyrics to Jambalaya seem to have a few spelling errors. Also, apparently Moon Mullican co-wrote the song with Hank, though he was contractually prevented from being officially credited. The tune is from an earlier song called "Gran' Texas." Jambalaya lyrics and history discussion Here are the correct lyrics (based on the discussions in other threads in the forum, etc.): JAMBALAYA (tune: Gran' Texas - 1946) lyrics: Hank Williams and Moon Mullican © 1952) Goodby Joe, me gotta go, me oh my oh, Me gotta go pole the pirogue down the bayou. My Yvonne, sweetest one, me oh my oh, Son of a gun, we'll have big fun on the bayou. cho: Jambalay' 'n a crawfish pie an' file (filé?) gumbo, 'Cause tonight I'm gonna see my ma cher amie-o, Pick guitar, fill fruit jar and be gay-o. Son of a gun, we'll have big fun on the bayou. Thibodaux, Fontenot, the place is buzzin'. Kinfolk come to see Yvonne by the dozen, Dress in style, go hog wild, me oh my oh, Son of a gun, we'll have big fun on the bayou. Settle down far from town, buy me a pirogue And I'll catch all the fish in the bayou. Swap my mon' to buy Yvonne what we need-o Son of a gun, we'll have big fun on the bayou. |
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21 Aug 09 - 08:08 PM (#2705814) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer DT Version: OH, NO JOHN On yonder hill there stands a maiden Who she is I do not know; I shall court he, for her beauty, She must answer yes or no, cho: Oh, 0h, no John, No John, No John, No. OH, NO JOHN On yonder hill there stands a maiden Who she is I do not know; I shall court her, for her beauty, She must answer yes or no, cho: Oh, No John, No John, No. @courtship @seduction filename[ ONOJOHN TUNE FILE: ONOJOHN In the chorus, is that second "Oh" supposed to be there? Whatever the case, it should be spelled Oh and not 0h (with a zero). -Joe- |
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21 Aug 09 - 08:21 PM (#2705821) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Tattie Bogle Please can we get Dougie Maclean's Caledonia(Caledonia (2) in the DT) corrected? It should be "with CONSCIENCE flying" not "coattails"!!! You can see the man himself sing it on Youtube, and I can assure you the word is unequivocally CONSCIENCE! |
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03 Sep 09 - 02:14 PM (#2715565) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon THE GAY CABALLERO (GAYCAB) was written by Frank Crumit and Lou Klein, as explained by Eugene in this thread. |
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08 Sep 09 - 11:20 PM (#2719510) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Pete Seeger wrote QUITE EARLY MORNING - filename[ QUITEARL This information is from the liner notes to "Banks of Marble and Other Songs" at Smithsonian Folkways' web site. |
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27 Oct 09 - 02:04 PM (#2753753) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) "A Capital Ship," in the DT, is not the poem by C. E. Carryl but a revision with added chorus that appeared in "St. Nicholas" children's magazine, c. 1890. This chorus has the 'boxing glove' line. Carryl's poem, untitled and without chorus, first appeared in his children's book, "Davy and the Goblin," published 1884, in the story "Sindbad the Sailor's House." The melody to the song is by J. B. Geoghegan, written for his "Ten Thousand Miles Away," which appeared in "The Scottish Students Song Book," with the note "By special permission of Mr. John Blockley, 3 Argyll Street, Regent Street, London." (This song also in the DT). I don't know where this version was first printed. |
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08 Nov 09 - 02:06 AM (#2761905) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Here's attribution for "Farther Along" - filename[ FARALONG TUNE FILE: FARALONG And by the way, this is an American song - using the British spelling of "labour" is a bit precious, I think. I know it's spelled that way in Rise Up Singing, but do we have to follow their example? Farther Along Rev. W.B. Stevens and J.R. Baxter, Jr. copyright 1937 by The Stamps-Baxter Music Co. |
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19 Nov 09 - 11:45 PM (#2769597) Subject: DT Corr: Come Fill Up Your Glasses (Peggy Seeger) From: Joe Offer The lyrics in the Digital Tradition are almost what's in the Ewan MacColl Peggy Seeger Songbook (Oak Publications, 1963, page 90-91), but there are a few differences that cause problems with the meter. Here's a corrected transcription. Corrections are underlined. COME FILL UP YOUR GLASSES (Peggy Seeger) Come fill up your glasses with whiskey and beer And drink a full glass to a happy new year To our sisters and brothers, and may they live long, So lift up your glasses and join in this song. CHORUS: So we'll fill up your glasses and drink once again, To peace on this earth and good will among men Long life to the miners the whole world around, Who spend all their days in a hole underground, Whose road is a tunnel, whose day is the night, Out of danger and darkness they bring power and light Our thanks to the fishermen and safe may they toil, And also to the farmer who turns up the soil; To the ploughmen and shepherds and all men of worth, Whose joy is to harvest the fruits of the earth. Here's to drivers and firemen and the rest of the team, Who keep the stock rolling by diesel and steam, To the cleaners and shunters who work night and day, And the track-laying gangs on the permanent way. A toast to the casual labouring man, Who lives where his work is, who works where he can, To the builders and spidermen and bold engineers, May your wages keep rising, lads, over the years. To the writers and artists, then, let's drink a health, To the people whose hopes and whose dreams are our wealth, Whose tools are but canvas or paper and pen, Whose harvest is the future and the progress of men. Let the men drink a health to their sweethearts and wives, And the ladies, being willing, will greet them likewise, May your pleasures be many, your troubles be few, May you treasure the day you made one out of two. Let's drink to our children and let us prepare, A world where they'll live free from sorrow and care, A world where goodwill among men is the law, A world without fallout, a world without war! Source: Ewan MacColl Peggy Seeger Songbook (Oak Publications, 1963, page 90-91) tune: variant on Pretty Polly Perkin of Paddington Green Copyright 1960, Sing Out, Inc. @seasonal @newyear filename[ COMEFILL TUNE FILE: COMEFILL CLICK TO PLAY RG |
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19 Nov 09 - 11:49 PM (#2769598) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Peggy Seeger's "Come Fill Up Your Glasses" seems to have a few words missing that affect the meter. I posted a corrected version here (click). filename[ COMEFILL RE: DT Song Title: "Here's to the Morning Glory" filename[ MORNGLRY I have two Makem/Clancy CDs that call the song Morning Glory and list the songwriters as Doug Flett and Guy Fletcher. The Digital Tradition transcription is pretty close to the recording, except that they put out the light in the first verse. |
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28 Nov 09 - 05:33 PM (#2775774) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Leadfingers There is an Incorrect Title for Tom Lehrer's 'A Christmas Carol' , in the Digital Tradition as 'Christmas Time' filename[ XMASTIME |
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02 Dec 09 - 06:50 PM (#2779044) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer This is a little thing, but we might as well fix it: "the Four Maries" filename[ MARYHAM3 Is an exact transcription of #195A from the Greig-Duncan Collection. It has two typographical errors:
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05 Dec 09 - 08:55 PM (#2781748) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer from this thread: The DigiTrad entry for "The Faded Coat of Blue" neglects to mention that it was written by J.H. [John Hugh] McNaughton (1829-1891), and published in 1865. It bears the alternate title "The Nameless Grave". filename[ FADECOAT Also there is a mistake in the spelling of the title, no attribution, and many mistakes in the text of Ellan Vannin. Here is the corrected text: ELLAN VANNIN (Hugh Jones) Snaefell, Tynwald and Ben-my-Chree, Fourteen ships have sailed the sea. Proudly bearing a Manx name, But there's one will never again Oh, Ellan Vannin, of the Isle of Man Company, Oh, Ellan Vannin, lost in the Irish Sea. At one a.m. in Ramsey Bay, Captain Teare was heard to say, "Our contract says deliver the mail, In this rough weather we must not fail." Ocean liners sheltered from the storm, Ellan Vannin on the waves was borne. Her hold was full and battened down, As she sailed toward far Liverpool town With her crew of twenty one Manxmen, Her passengers Liverpool business men. Farewell to Mona's Isle, Farewell, This little ship was bound for hell. Less than a mile from the bar lightship, By a mighty wave Ellan Vannin was hit. She sank in the waters of Liverpool Bay And there she lies until this day. Few Manxmen now remember The third day of the month December That terrible storm of Ninteen-O-Nine, Ellan Vannin sailed for the very last time. Written by Hugh Jones, a member of the Spinners (of Liverpool) There could be variations in the way the Spinners did it, but, this one is taken from Hugh Jones' publication, 'Hughie's Ditty Bag.' On the Spinners recording, it's "terrible storm in nineteen-nine." Ellan - is Manx for Island; Ellan Vannin means Isle of Man. On 3 December 1909, the ship "Ellan Vannin" left Ramsey in the Isle of Man to sail to Liverpool. As she was entering the River Mersey, she was apparently swamped by a wave which broke over her stern, and she sank with loss of all aboard. Alternate spellings of the song title Ellen Vannin Ellan Vannen Ellen Vannen @Manx @sailor filename[ ELLNVARN TUNE FILE: ELLVARN MR apr97 |
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17 Dec 09 - 02:18 AM (#2790127) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Little thing: filename[ SEVNJOYS Seven Joys of Mary - "Second" is spelled wrong. Another little one: filename[ OYSTRGAL The Oyster Girl - spelling of "want" in the chorus Please see the Lizzie Lindsay thread. Our text is interesting but a little messy. You'll find suggested corrections in the thread. -Joe- |
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03 Jan 10 - 01:39 AM (#2802086) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer filename[ MARPRET "Marchin to Pretoria" - are you sure you want that title and not "Marching to Pretoria"? |
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06 Jan 10 - 03:34 PM (#2805151) Subject: DT Correction: Mary's Boy Child / O My Lord From: Genie The DT currently has lyrics posted for "Mary's Boy Child" that are comingled with another song, "Oh, My Lord." Jester Hairston is the songwriter for "Mary's Boy Child." Frank Farian and F. Jay wrote "Oh, My Lord." Here are the lyrics to the "Mary's Boy Child / O My Lord" medley recorded by the group Boney M: Mary's boy child, Jesus Christ, was born on Christmas Day And man will live for evermore, because of Christmas Day. Long time ago in Bethlehem, so the Holy Bible said, Mary's boy child, Jesus Christ, was born on Christmas Day. Hark! Now hear the angels sing, "A King was born today!" And man may live for evermore, because of Christmas Day. Mary's boy child, Jesus Christ, was born on Christmas Day. While shepherds watch their flock by night, they see bright new shining star. They hear a choir sing a song; the music seemed to come from afar. Hark! Now hear the angels sing, "A King was born today! And man will Live for evermore, because Of Christmas Day." (instrumental break) For a moment the world was aglow* All the bells rang out, there were tears of joy and laughter. People shouted, "Let Everyone Know There is hope for all to find peace." Now Joseph and his wife, Mary, came to Bethlehem that night. They found no place to bear her Child, not a single room was in sight, And then they found a little nook, in a stable all forlorn, And in a manger cold and dark, Mary's little boy was born. Hark, now hear the angels sing, "A king was born today, And man will live for evermore, because of Christmas Day." Mary's boy child, Jesus Christ, was born on Christmas Day. For a moment the world was aglow,* All the bells rang out, there were tears of joy and laughter. People shouted, "Let Everyone Know There is hope for all to find peace." Oh my Lord, you sent your Son to save us, Oh my Lord, Your very Self You gave Us; Oh my Lord, that sin may not enslave us, And love may reign once more. Oh my Lord, when in the crib they found Him , Oh my Lord, a golden halo 'round Him. Oh my Lord, they gathered all around Him, To see Him and adore. Oh My Lord, with a just adoration, Oh My Lord, there came great jubilation. Oh My Lord, and full of admiration, Rhey realized what they had. (Until the sun falls from the sky) Oh my Lord, (O praise the Lord) they had begun to doubt You. Oh my Lord, (He is the truth forever) what did they know about You? Oh my Lord, (O praise the Lord) but they were lost without You, They needed You so bad. (His light is shining on us all!) Oh My Lord, (O praise the Lord) with a just adoration. Oh My Lord, (He is the new creation) there came great jubilation. Oh, My Lord, (O praise the Lord) and full of admiration They realized what they had (Until the sun falls from the sky). Oh, My Lord (O praise the Lord), You sent your Son to save us, Oh, My Lord (This day will live forever), Your very Self You gave us, Oh, My Lord (fade out) "Mary's Little Boy Child" is the legal title of the Jester Hairston song. "Oh My Lord" was *composed by Frank Farian and F. Jay, but the tune used may be traditional. video: Boney M: Mary's Boy Child / O My Lord *The DT also has this line wrong. In the DT the mondegreen is "Oh, a moment still worth was a glow." Here are the lyrics to Jester Hairston's song "Mary's Boy Child," as recorded by Harry Belafonte: MARY'S BOY CHILD (Jester Hairston) Long time ago in Bethlehem, So the Holy Bible say, Mary's boy child, Jesus Christ, Was born on Christmas Day. CHORUS Hark now hear the angels sing, "A new King born today, And man will live for evermore Because of Christmas Day." Trumpets sound and angels sing. Listen what they say: That man will live for evermore Because of Christmas Day. While shepherds watch their flock by night, Then saw a bright, new, shining star, Then hear a choir sing; The music seemed to come from afar. Now, Joseph and his wife, Mary, Come to Bethlehem that night. Then found no place to born sweet child, Not a single room was in sight. CHORUS By 'n' by they find a little nook In a stable all forlorn, And in a manger cold and dark Mary's little boy was born. Long time ago in Bethlehem, So the Holy Bible say, Mary's Boy Child, Jesus Christ. Was born on Christmas Day. CHORUS ©1956, Schumann Music @Xmas filename[ MARYCHLD GS Harry Belafonte: Mary's Boy Child I appreciate the efforts from Genie and Q, but I'd like to submit an alternative version of "Mary's Boy Child," which I transcribed from a Belafonte recording. I couldn't find the original Jester Hairston version, but I think everyone would agree that the best-known version is from Belafonte, who actually had two versions. His earlier recordings used constructions like "them hear a choir sing." He continued to use such constructions in later years, but not as much. -Joe Offer- MARY'S BOY CHILD (Jester Hairston) Long time ago in Bethlehem, so the Holy Bible say, Mary's boy child Jesus Christ, was born on Christmas Day. CHORUS Hark, now hear the angels sing, a new king born today, and man will live for evermore, because of Christmas Day. [Trumpets sound and angels sing, listen what they say, that man will live for evermore, because of Christmas Day.] While shepherds watch their flock by night, them see a bright new shining star, them hear a choir sing, her music seem to come from afar. Now Joseph and his wife, Mary, come to Bethlehem that night, them find no place to born she child, not a single room was in sight. CHORUS By and by they find a little nook in a stable all forlorn, and in a manger cold and dark, Mary's little boy was born. Long time ago in Bethlehem, so the Holy Bible say, Mary's boy child, Jesus Christ, was born on Christmas Day. CHORUS transcribed from The Essential Harry Belafonte CD On many recordings, the second half of the chorus [Trumpets...] is omitted. Original title: MARY'S LITTLE BOY CHILD ©1956, Schumann Music @Xmas filename[ MARYCHLD GS |
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09 Jan 10 - 12:00 PM (#2807537) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Snuffy in TOM BEECH'S LAST TRIP, Snow and sleet came howling down from over Napton without a "K", not "Knapton" Hill |
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13 Jan 10 - 12:26 AM (#2810629) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Sailargh Greetings, Thank you for taking on this endeavour of tweaking the marvellous resource we share. WITH THE ANTARCTIC FLEET filename[ ANTARFLT as found at: http://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=7949 seems to be lyrically correct given it's a transcription from memory. They aren't as finally published by Harry, however it does say his lyrics evolved over time. The attribution however confuses the two Harry Robertson. Both are of Scots origins which doesn't help. Harry Robertson 1923-1995, wrote this. Lyrics and correct song titles are available at this relatively new site for his material. The HR referred to incorrectly in the song attribution was a psychologist who in 1950/51 shipped out as medical officer on one of the last UK pelagic whaling expeditions to the Southern Ocean. This H.B. Robertson wrote the book Of Whales and Men, published 1954. I read his book some years ago on the recommendation of Pat Thompson mentioned as one of the singers. Thanks, John - who had confused these gentlemen with each other some time ago himself J.D. Erskine Victoria, BC |
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13 Jan 10 - 01:30 AM (#2810657) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Genie, posts in this thread are not deleted - they are moved to Thread 71227 to be used for reference. "Oleanna" is missing a Seeger verse and has some spelling problems. I posted an expanded/corrected version in this message (click) (the second version in the message is the corrected one). |
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23 Jan 10 - 04:16 AM (#2819189) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Take a look at this message for spelling corrections for the song "The Bark Gay Head." The letter "b" is rendered "h" in the Digital Tradition. filename[ BRKGAYHD |
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06 Feb 10 - 04:48 PM (#2831706) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon LINCOLN DUNCAN should properly be called DUNCAN (by Paul Simon). filename[ LDUNCAN
Well, at least that's what I think, and it's my favorite Paul Simon song. -Joe Offer- |
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21 Feb 10 - 01:18 AM (#2845566) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Please take a look at the thread on Hilaire Belloc's Sussex Drinking Song (click) filename: SUSSDRNK The DT lyrics are very close to the words sung by Finest Kind, but have a number of mondegreens and plain misspellings. The thread also has the original text by Belloc, which is significantly different. Also, the thread has a "West Sussex Drinking Song." |
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21 Feb 10 - 06:48 PM (#2846190) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Tattie Bogle And they've STILL got "coat-tails flying in the wind" - totally laughable! - instead of "CONSCIENCE flying in the wind" in Dougie MacLean's Caledonia (in the DT as Caledonia 2 - middle verse). I think this was pointed out as long ago as 10 years ago, and I've drawn attention to it at least twice since, so HOW long DOES it take to change anything? (I even put in a link to a Youtube of Dougie singing his own song to prove the point!) In the meantime there are people out there singing this ridiculous travesty of the original! |
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24 Feb 10 - 07:04 PM (#2849312) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Well, we found the source of Mrs. Ravoon, filename[ RAVOONMS Originally, it was a poem titled ALTERNATIVE ENDINGS TO AN UNWRITTEN BALLAD, by Paul Dehn (1912-1976) Original text and further details in this thread (click). Also, there are typographical errors in three verses. Here is the entire text, corrected, plus suggested notes for the end:
(Paul Dehn, lyrics; Tom Matin, melody) I climbed the clock tower 'neath the noonday sun; 'Twas midday, at least, ere my journey was done. But the clock never sounded the last stroke of noon, For there from the clapper swung Mrs. RAVOON. CHORUS Mrs. RAVOON, Mrs. RAVOON, You are too much with me, late and soon. I stole through the dungeon whilst everyone slept Till I came to the place where the monster was kept. There in the arms of a giant baboon, Rigid and smiling, lay Mrs. RAVOON. I stood by the water, so green and so thick, And I stirred at the scum with my old, withered stick, When there rose from the depths of the limpid lagoon The luminous body of Mrs. RAVOON. I pulled in my line and I took my first look At the half-eaten horror that hung from my hook. I had dragged from the depths of that limpid lagoon The bloated cadaver of Mrs. RAVOON. I went to an amateur butcher I know For the gut of a cat for my violin bow, But I never imagined I'd play my next tune On the shuddering entrails of Mrs. RAVOON. I ran through the marsh 'midst the lightning and thunder, When a terrible flash split the darkness asunder. Chewing a rat's tail and mumbling a rune, Mad in the moat, squatted Mrs. RAVOON. The original version of this song was a poem titled "Alternative Endings to an Unwritten Ballad" by Paul Dehn, published in 1956 in his "For Love and Money." Set to music by Tom Mastin. Recorded by Harry Tuft on "Across the Blue Mountains," copyright 1976 by Folk Legacy Records, FSA-63. Also recorded by Kendall Morse. filename[ RAVOONMS DC -Joe- |
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08 Mar 10 - 05:15 PM (#2859530) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Genie The DT has the title of Hank Williams's "Cold, Cold Heart" wrong (the "Your" is not part of the title) and does not credit Hank as the songwriter. The DT page has HW listed as the "source's source," but that does not imply that HW wrote the song. Hank wrote, recorded, and released the song in 1951. |
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10 Mar 10 - 03:34 PM (#2861279) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Note the crazy apostrophe in the first verse of All Through the Night (2) filename[ THRUNIT2 The version of "Orange and the Green" filename[ ORANGREN in the Digital Tradition is unattributed and a bit sloppy, so we came up with this transcription from the WolfeTones recording, with an alternate chorus from the Irish Rovers. We |
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12 Mar 10 - 05:02 PM (#2862952) Subject: RE: Lyr/Tune Req: I Don't Want to Be a Soldier From: Joe Offer Malcolm linked above to the Digital Tradition version of I Don't Want to Join the Army, which also included a tune. For some reason, the song has been removed - I'll ask Dick and Susan about that. The song (with tune) is still at the Digital Tradition mirror, Yet Another Digital Tradition -Joe- I DON'T WANT TO JOIN THE ARMY I don't want to join the army I don't want to go to war. I would rather hang around Picadilly's underground A'livin off the earnings of a 'igh born lady I don't want a bullet in me backside, I don't want me buttocks (or arsehole) shot away. I would rather stay in Lunnon, Jolly, jolly Lunnon And fornicate me bloomin' life away, Gor Blimey Call out the Army and the Navy Call out the rank and file. Call out the brave Territorials They face danger with a smile! Call out the King's Militia They kept England free! Call out me brother Me father or me mother But for Gawd's sake don't call me. RG Click to play |
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12 Mar 10 - 05:08 PM (#2862956) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer For some reason, I Don't Want to Join the Army is no longer in the Digital Tradition. I think the filename was JOINARMY Can you check it out? If you can drop in the thread and tell us what happened to the song, that would be nice. -Joe- |
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14 Mar 10 - 01:32 AM (#2863732) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer 1. Corrected lyrics for Ewan MacColl's The Shoals of Herring are in this message (click) filename[ SHOALHER 2. Take a look at SEA FEVER, filename[ SEAFEVER The version in the DT is a pretty good transcription of Ed Trickett's recording, except for one correction in the first verse:
To the lonely sea and sky, And all I ask is a tall ship And a star to steer her by, And the And the wind's song And the white sails a-shakin' The gray mist on the sea's face The gray dawn a-breakin'. Q has posted the original John Masefield text in this message (click). Perhaps it would be an idea to include the original text in the DT entry, along with the sung version. The main difference is that the Trickett version adds a- and drops the final "g" in present participles, as in a-shakin' |
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28 Apr 10 - 03:14 AM (#2895731) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Minor corrections to Hamilton Camp's "Pride of Man" are in this message. filename[ PRIDEMAN -Joe- Please note that the 'baptizin" version of "Preacher and the Bear" should be credited to George W. Fairman (1905), revised and with new verses by Randy Sparks (1960) filename[ PRCHRBR See this message for explanation. A couple of corrections for "Housewife's Lament," filename[ HSEWFLAM: There's nothing that lasts us but trouble and dirt. ..."wall paper" should probably be one word, although the original text was "wall-paper." It's potting and panning from ten to eleven
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18 Jun 10 - 06:45 PM (#2930815) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer I question the title of UNTER DAYN VAYSE SHTER'N - filename[ UNTRDAYN I can't figure out why it isn't UNTER DAYNE VAYSE SHTERN, which is what I found in all resources other than the DT. Also, the word "ibqer" should be iber. Oh, and the so-called "free translation" seems to have no connection to the song at all. I have posted a corrected version with updated background notes in this message (click). Gargoyle thinks I should put some tiny pink words here. |
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17 Aug 10 - 11:41 AM (#2967157) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Rumncoke I hope this is the right place to put this. I noticed that the second verse of the Bells if Rhymney goes wrong at the end' It should be - if I heard it right - Say the loud bells of Neath In the South all is sullen Say the pink bells of Brecon Even god is uneasy say the moist bells of Swansea Full corrected lyrics in this message filename[ BELLRHYM -Joe- |
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17 Aug 10 - 08:38 PM (#2967544) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Tattie Bogle I don't know how many times I've pointed out the error in these words, as have others, but still they remain unchanged, so here are the correct words, the main error being the word "coat-tails" in the DT as Caledonia (2). The word is CONSCIENCE, PLEASE!! Sadly this Mondegreen is being perpetuated! If you don't believe me, please watch a Youtube of Dougie Maclean himself singing his own song. CALEDONIA (2) (Dougie MacLean) I don't know if you can see The changes that have come over me In these last few days I've been afraid That I might drift away So I've been telling old stories, singing songs That make me think about where I came from And that's the reason why I seem So far away today Oh, but let me tell you that I love you That I think about you all the time Caledonia you're calling me And now I'm going home If I should become a stranger You know that it would make me more than sad Caledonia's been everything I've ever had Now I have moved and I've kept on moving Proved the points that I needed proving Lost the friends that I needed losing Found others on the way I have kissed the ladies and left them crying Stolen dreams, yes there's no denying I have travelled hard with conscience flying Somewhere in the wind (Chorus) Now I'm sitting here before the fire The empty room, the forest choir The flames that could not get any higher They've withered now they've gone But I'm steady thinking my way is clear And I know what I will do tomorrow When the hands are shaken and the kisses flow Then I will disappear (Chorus) |
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20 Sep 10 - 08:02 PM (#2990567) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Tattie Bogle HELLOO-OO-OO! Is ANYONE reading ANYTHING on this thread??????? JOE??? SUSAN??? CALEDONIA 2 IS WRONG!!! FOR THE NTH TIME! I've posted the correct words above and STILL we've got the F~*#ing COATTAILS flying in the wind. (RUBBISH/GARBAGE) THE WORD IS "CONSCIENCE"!!! (Yes I'm shouting, but I thought this thread was for sending in things that needed correction, and it just isn't getting corrected - I'm PRETTY DAMNED SURE PLant Life Music (copyright) never gave you those flaming coat-tails!) Now I have moved and I've kept on moving Proved the points that I needed proving Lost the friends that I needed losing Found others on the way I have kissed the ladies and left them crying Stolen dreams, yes there's no denying I have travelled hard with CONSCIENCE flying Somewhere in the wind |
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07 Oct 10 - 11:16 PM (#3002210) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Sergeant Where's Mine filename[ SARGWHER Title should be in ALLCAPS, according to DT criteria. It's in Title Case just now. Also note there are numerous problems with the lyrics in the DT. We still have disagreement on the lyrics, but you will find the most recent composite transcription here (click). I will continue adding corrections until you mark it as harvested. Bright Morning Stars - filename[ BRTMORNS Extraneous punctuation in the first verse. !&Bright morning stars are rising, THERE WAS A YOUNG WOMAN WHO SWALLOWED A LIE filename[ SWALLLIE -songwriter is Meredith Tax, 1970. The transcription is pretty good, but I posted somewhat different lyrics from a Sing Out! article written by Meredith Tax in 1971. Changing to the lyrics I posted would produce lyrics that are a little easier to figure out - lyrics are in this message (click) Jame's Taylor's "Lonesome Road" (filename filename[ LONSMRD2 ) appears twice in the database - once with a tune - #8394, and once without - #3685. Take a look at "The Yorkshire Couple filename[ YORKCOUP The verses aren't separated correctly, and it makes the song very hard to follow. At the very least, I'd suggest reorganizing the song as I've done in this message
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11 Nov 10 - 04:50 AM (#3029098) Subject: DT Correction: Two young brethren From: Joe Offer Minor (but important) corrections based on information at http://www.thecopperfamily.com TWO YOUNG BRETHREN Come all jolly ploughmen and help me to sing I will sing in the praise of you all If a man he don't labour how can he get bread I will sing and make merry with all (withal???) It was of two young brethren, two young brethren One he was a shepherd and a tender of sheep The other a planter of corn We will rile it, we will tile it through mud and through clay We will plough it up deeper and low Then after comes the seedsman his corn for to sow And the harrows to rake it in There is April, there is May, there is June and July What a pleasure it is for to see the corn grow In August we will reap it, we will cut, sheaf and bind it And go down with our scythes for to mow And after we've reaped it And have gathered With a drop of good beer, boys, and our hearts full of cheer We will wish them another good year Our barns they are full and our fields they are clear Good health to our master and friends We will make no more to do but we'll plough and we'll sow And prepare for the very next year ------------------------------------------------------------------ recorded by Dave Weatherhall & Martin Hall on "Voices. Traditional English Songs" (1991) "A song from the Copper Family of Rottingdean. It is a rustic idyll about a way - and pace - of life which has all but disappeared." @farm @drink @harmony @months @seasonal filename[ TWOBRETH TUNE FILE: TWOBRETH CLICK TO PLAY MJ Here's the entire text: TWO YOUNG BRETHREN Come all jolly ploughmen and help me to sing, It was of two young brethren, two young brethren born, We will rile it, we will tile it through mud and through clay, There is April, there is May, there is June and July And after we've reaped it off every sheaf Our barns they are full, our fields they are clear, Source: A Song for Every Season, by Bob Copper (1971, 1975), page 215 Note from Michael Myer: Peter Bellamy used the tune + an [appropriately edited] 2nd verse of this [as his first verse] for his fine song "Farewell To The Land". |
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09 Dec 10 - 02:59 PM (#3049840) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer In this thread (click), Martin Graebe asks that we remove the bowdlerized version of his song, "Jack in the Green," filename[ JACKGREE. We already have the complete, correct version of his song filename[ JACKGRE2. -Joe- |
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07 Jan 11 - 04:29 AM (#3069100) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Somebody notified me that San Francisco folk maven Faith Petric's name is spelled wrong in a song in the Digital Tradition. Actually, it's spelled wrong in FOUR songs in the DT - there is no "k" at the end of her name. Here are the songs: THE YELLOW ROSE OF TEXAS (2) filename[ YLLOWTX2 THE GOOD BOY (2) filename[ GOODBOY2 SOMEBODY'S GRANDMOTHER filename[ SOMGRAND IT'S A PLEASURE TO KNOW YOU filename[ PLEASUR |
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27 Jan 11 - 03:48 PM (#3083548) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Desert Dancer THE FIDDLER (filename[ FIDDLER) is by Charlie Moore, of Charlie Moore and His Dixie Partners. There is some question whether he wrote all three verses. See this current thread. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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27 Jan 11 - 08:02 PM (#3083715) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Tattie Bogle Right: 4 months on since I last posed (and a LOT longer since I first did)and the flying coat-tails are STILL in Caledonia 2. PUR-LEASE, for pity's sake!! OK so here are the full set o' words, so you don't have to take bits out and put bits in: just take the whole thing out and put this in! (Hokey-Cokey??!!) Tattie's transcription moved to this thread |
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28 Jan 11 - 01:21 PM (#3084157) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Judy Dyble It's just over three years since I posted a lot of corrections to songs that I sang with Fairport, but the lyrics are still as they were. Never mind |
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31 Jan 11 - 02:17 AM (#3085701) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Hi, Judy and Tattie- I don't know when the last revision of the Digital Tradition came out - looks like the most recent one was closed in February 2007, and posted in October of that year. In general, this "attribution/corrections" thread seems to be working pretty well. I compared corrections posted here with the last published edition of the DT, and it seemed that most of the corrections had been made. The DT used to come out every six months, but I think life got busy for Dick and Susan, the DT editors. -Joe- |
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31 Jan 11 - 02:20 AM (#3085702) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Tattie Bogle (above) posted corrections to Dougie MacLean's "Caledonia," but I disagree with her corrections. Please go to this thread (click) and choose whichever version seems most credible. filename[ CALDONI There are a number of mistakes in the DT version of Tom Paxton's "Last Thing on My Mind," filename filename[ LASTMIND You'll find corrected lyrics in this post. -Joe- |
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31 Jan 11 - 05:05 AM (#3085741) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Judy Dyble I posted the changes in this thread Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=2239236 and none of the changes have been made to any of the lyrics. I know it's not vitally important and that the people who update the DT are very busy,but I did take the time to do the alterations and the mistakes in the lyrics have been spread into the wider internet. I won't mention this again though, (well maybe I will in another three years.... :-)) |
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10 Feb 11 - 03:43 PM (#3092676) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Our lyrics for "The Innocent Hare" are somewhat inaccurate. I posted corrected lyrics in this message. filename[ INNOHARE Corrected lyrics for "Strip Polka" in this message. filename[ STRPOLKA |
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11 Feb 11 - 07:58 PM (#3093612) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Tattie Bogle At risk of repeating myself here, but it seems that what I said before has not been taken on board: If you care to take the time to watch Dougie himself sing Caledonia on the numerous Youtubes of his live performances, you will see that SOMETIMES he sings SOMETIMES, and SOMETIMES he doesn't!!!!! I don't think it's crucial whether you have SOMETIMES in or not - leave it on if it makes you feel happier: both versions would therefore seem to me to be equally correct, just as the "kissed the ladies" (early version) is as correct as the "kept on trying" (later version). The bit that ISN'T correct as John Hill posted here as long ago as 1999, and several of us have done since, is the COAT-TAILS, and THAT definitely needs changing, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING YOU TO CHANGE. |
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11 Feb 11 - 08:19 PM (#3093623) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer OK, Tattie, but please note that there hasn't been a new edition of the Digital Tradition since February, 2007. If the requested changes don't appear in the next edition, then you might have reason to get all excited and use allcaps and megamultiple posts. Please note that the Digital Tradition editors are not paid for their efforts and do their work as a labor of love while trying to live an actual life. -Joe- |
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12 Feb 11 - 07:56 PM (#3094103) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Tattie Bogle I appreciate that Joe, but people have ben trying to get this correction done since 1999! 12 years! And just one word! |
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09 Aug 11 - 08:25 PM (#3204987) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Tattie Bogle Caledonia 2 (Dougie Maclean) STILL has "coattails" where it should be "conscience" in v2 - please correct. (First pointed out in 1999, and remains unaltered). |
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09 Aug 11 - 09:40 PM (#3205033) Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Some day, Tattie, some day.... |