I understand what you're saying, Lox, and I notice that you and I tend to confine our criticism to atrocities over which we personally bear some responsibility, while bobad and some others on the thread only want to point fingers at others while ignoring the atrocities over which they bear some responsibility, and I understand the hypocrisy of that. But... this thread gives me an opportunity to post some things that I wanted to post anyway. I think they are things that should be seen. I don't expect any hypocrites to look at them, but other people might.