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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 09:33 AM

Evian water is named after Évian-les-Bains, a locality in France but is still a very expensive way to get water!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Senoufou
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 06:21 AM

I always drink bottled water when in the Tropics. In Ghana, I hadn't remembered to get some at the airport before arriving late at night at my hotel in Accra, so I brushed my teeth from the tap like a twit before going to bed. The resulting health problems were quite spectacular, as I contracted Giardiasis (a gut parasite). My intestines were shot to pieces and my face went completely grey. It took two courses of strong antibiotics to shift it.
My husband is in Ivory Coast at the moment for the funeral of his dad, and my last words to him were, "Please please please don't drink the water! Get bottled stuff!" I hope he's doing as he was told!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 05:45 AM

Is it just coincidence that one of the big names in bottled water 'Evian' is 'naive' spelt backwards?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 05:42 AM

I've carried a water bottle for years - since before bottled water became fashionable - but then I don't drink tea or coffee & like to have a drink with me. If every time I wanted/needed a drink I had to go into a shop & buy juice or something else I'd go broke! Over the years I have bought bottled water but that was when I left my bottle at home.

Our local folk festivals are trying to go waste free (well, reduce waste as much as possible) by supplying reusable cups & bottles, & water filling places.

Last week at the National Folk Festival we even had had a commercial operator selling alkaline water - science is out on it's benefits, but some folks have money to spend & someone has to make a dollar ...

Next to the alkaline water filling place was a free water filling place, but there they were, rich?/foolish? folk paying something like $35 for the bottle & $5 per day for unlimited filling of said bottle while the rest of us just refilled whatever bottle or cup we had at whatever tap or filling place we found!

sandra


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 04:39 AM

The only time I buy bottles of water is when I'm in the departure lounge. I won't drink alcohol on flights and the water guards against dehydration, which seems to creep up insidiously during flights. I can't understand the affectation that appears to oblige large numbers of people to lug plastic bottles around with them like comfort blankets.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 04:22 AM

I don't know if this has already been said but tap water in some areas in horrible. I wouldn't blame people from such areas buying bottled water, especially to make a good cup of tea.

The tap water in many places is just fine. When I worked in Huddersfield our new Managing Director (bit of a snob) asked me to procure water fountains and we bought water in. The water from the tap was far superior and just for cheek I filled a couple of the huge bottles with tap water. A good few people commented on the "improved" water from the fountains.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 04:00 AM

N Norfolk is the same as were you are - very hard. And I think the soft water from Llyn Dulyn (supplied the Llandudno, N Wales area) was much nicer.

My mother has never liked its taste. We used to use a Brita jug filter but I fitted an under the sink filter about 2 years ago. I think at £15 for replacement carbon filter that lasts 6 months, it works out a bit cheaper than what she was doing with the jug filters and having the filtered water on its own tap is more convenient. Neither of these solutions address the hardness of the water but they do get rid of the (to mum) foul taste).

The last time we used bottled water followed a burst main last year. A neighbour went shopping and kindly gave us 2 x 5L bottles. While I guess one could maintain ones own supply of back up tap water, I'm glad the supermarkets stock it for this type of short term "emergency" but I don't think we have any other use for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Senoufou
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 03:31 AM

Our tap water here in Norfolk UK is exceptionally 'hard' and bungs up the dishwasher, washing machine and kettle with scale. But it tastes quite all right, and I've drunk it for forty years. Glasgow tap water was 'soft' and silky, lovely stuff.

I've never had bottled water. It's very expensive and I can't see the point. If one wants to take some water out on a trip (and I find this a bit mad. People go around clutching their water as if they're in the Sahara desert!), why not fill a bottle from the tap?
I'm really old, and still have all my teeth. They're not yellow, they're nice and white. And I don't have osteoporosis. Perhaps the calcium in the water has helped keep my bones strong?
(Although that could be down to the gallons of milk and oodles of cream I get through, not to mention the mountains of butter on all the crumpets!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Thompson
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 02:07 AM

We drink Saski, Lidl's fizzy water. We are bad people. But it's delicious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Apr 17 - 11:55 PM

We have a 250-foot well here in the Sierra Foothills. Our water tastes so good, that it's hard for me to enjoy water anywhere else. I always assumed our water was safe, but I decided to have it tested a couple of years ago. Because this is a gold mining area, the testing firm used a "mine panel" of tests to make sure we didn't have any of the dangerous chemicals likely to be found in this area. We came out with great scores on all tests. I was just a bit disconcerted to learn that they test only for substances likely to be a problem, and not for everything. But hey, it tastes terrific. I've never found bottled water that tastes as good.
Starbucks had been bottling water near here, but they had to shut down the plant during our recent drought.

Come stop by and have a drink.

-Joe in Applegate, California-


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 21 Apr 17 - 10:42 PM

What do you think of Saskia water

https://uk.openfoodfacts.org/product/20030995/natural-mineral-water-sparkling-saskia

What do you do with the empties?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: r.padgett
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 03:54 AM

*NB, in the UK, licensed premises, licensed to sell alcohol for consumption on the premises must, by law provide free tap water.
_______________________________________________________________
Hurray, I had missed this very important piece of information

Some who visited a Chinese restaurant with me last Easter will no doubt remember being charged for Tap Water.

We did not want alcohol as we had clearly had enough of it!

Curry to my uneducated palate needs water

Ray


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 09:29 PM

A place like that, I would have no problem bringing my own bottle of water and drinking that instead of their water.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 05:59 PM

Here's a new twist...

I was in a Chinese restaurant last night which was so obviously getting its profits from the bar - a bottle of Kumala Chardonnay (priced at less than £5.50 a bottle in most shops) was on sale for £14.80. Anyhoo... I decided I'd stick with water which is when I found on the menu, a little note saying that the restaurant did not serve tap water*. I could buy a glass of "purified water" for 50p or a large jug of it for £1.50. I chose to have a jug of water and watched as the barman filled a jug FROM THE TAP OVER THE SINK behind the bar.

Talk about a bloody cheek!


LTS

*NB, in the UK, licensed premises, licensed to sell alcohol for consumption on the premises must, by law provide free tap water.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: goatfell
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 05:13 AM

Bottled water is 500% dearer than tap water which cost you almost nothhing, I was in London and this man bought a small bottle of water and it cost £12, how much does tap water cost eh!

and Highland spring water is a facotry near Striling, just off the motorway that leads to Striling.

Tap water in fridge maybe?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: annamill
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 12:55 AM

The water I buy goes thru a process called "reverse osmosis", whatever that is, contains no floride, has "some" minerals left in for taste. It's called Ramona water from a little town called Ramona ;-) It's pretty good. Much better than my tap water, yuch!

Love, Annamill


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 11:43 PM

Some people are allergic to fluoride (like me for instance) and become very sick when they (we) drink it. And some of us also experience very painful skin problems when we use water with fluoride in it to wash ourselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: goatfell
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 02:43 PM

i drink lots of tap water here in Scotland and there is nothing wrong with my teeth, they are not brittle or yellow


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: goatfell
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 02:41 PM

I would rather have that than have diabeatis, cancer and other illness that you get from bottled water but they don't tell you that, and as for fluoride in water, it doesn't make you teeth brittle and turns your teeth yellow, not brushing them does that.
mind you I could be wrong but I said might


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Bert
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 02:24 PM

...They put a fluoride (usually sodium fluoride) in some drinking water supplies as a preventative against dental decay...

It also makes your teeth yellow and brittle but they don't tell you that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: goatfell
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 02:21 PM

mind you the Western Austrlian Goverment doesn't want to spen any money on a facotry than can turn Salt water into fresh water, but thne the Western Austrlian Goverment doesn't want to spen money anyway, and will turn Perth and the surrounding area into a backwater, and the people there are allowing this to happpen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: goatfell
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 02:19 PM

mind you in Western Australia, I recomend bottled water because their tap water is shit, it taste really horrible, it's brackish.

and not only that it's taste well to me when I go there warm.

so when visting Western Austrlia use bottled water


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 09:10 AM

I ordered an under-sink fluoride filter a few days ago. It also has a carbon filter for VOCs, pesticides, and other nasties, a six stage filter for other things (including clorine), and a pre-filter for sediment. Our hope is that I won't have to continue to drink distilled water. We'll see (fingers crossed).


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 08:45 AM

Kendall, an old lady out here got word just last week that her sister was dying in a hospital in Portland, Maine. She jumped on her bicycle and was at her sister's side in just a day and half. The woman was dying, breathing her last, when her sister took one of the tires off the bike and let out the Idaho air. The potential corpse took two big sniffs, jumped out of bed, and ran out of the hospital. She ran all the way back here and beat her bicycling sister by three hours, but of course her sister had to stop and refill the tire and the Portland air slowed her down considerable. Last I heard the sister from the hospital had been arrested for indecent exposure (you know those hospital gowns) and was having herself QUITE a time with the male prisoners up at the County Jail.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: maeve
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 07:34 AM

"Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: kendall - PM
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 09:25 AM

Years ago someone got the idea to can Maine air for people who lived in the mid west."
___________________

Oh Kendall... When I was a little girl camping in Maine with my family I bought one of those cans. Months later back home in New Hampshire, I was so disappointed to discover that the can didn't really contain the wonderful Maine ocean air I missed.

maeve


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: GUEST,Preston
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 07:07 AM

I live in the North of Spain (six months of the year) and noticed the locals carry these massive containers of bottled water from the shops daily. I was told by the company I bought my housefrom the water was fine to drink.

Well after the third day there the contents of my stomach were leaving me like black thread, so believe me, when in Europe, BUY BOTTLED WATER !


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Paul Burke
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 04:43 AM

It says a lot when we can all assume that the public supply is safe to drink, even if sometimes unpalatable. In most parts of the world you are taking at least a risk when you drink unboiled or unsterilised water- note the current cholera outbreak in Zimbabwe, where even hospitals are without a clean supply. That sadly doesn't mean that bottled water is necessarily a safer option even there- the bottling plant (which will be local, water's hellish expensive to transport) might have poor standards of sterilisation and hygiene.

I don't know what allows me to have chlorine in the form of sodium chloride but not to drink water with chlorine or flouride in it.

That's because the sodium has taken the sting out of the chlorine, and vice- versa. the chlorine in tapwater is there to kill the bugs, so they leave the sting in it. They never put fluorine in tapwater, it's horrible stuff to handle. They put a fluoride (usually sodium fluoride) in some drinking water supplies as a preventative against dental decay.

Water distilled in a properly maintained plant is safe- though probably pretty tasteless- and it's only really feasible where copious solar or geothermal energy is available.

I'm lucky- our own local supply (from the River Derwent, it's only been through 3 or 4 small-to-medium towns before it gets to us) usually tastes really good. It's also soft as a baby's bum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 03:10 AM

The whole point of the 'naming the Broad Street Pump' is that it was identified as the source of a cholera epidemic that was sweeping that part of London at the time. Snow had the bright idea of charting where the cases were and investigating the area. It turned out that all the victims had drawn their water from that particular street pump (no water piped into houses then, it was gathered at a street pump or well, and bucketed home) and that was the source of the infection. He had the pump disabled and the cases of cholera stopped almost overnight.

Thus was born the ideas of water borne infections and forensic medicine.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 10:01 PM

Safe drinking water, no matter what you think it tastes like, is probably one of the two top public health devices in the last 200 years. John Snow and his work naming the Broad Street Pump in 1854 is one of the least know, and most important, medical advances in history.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Joe_F
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 08:17 PM

I'm very fond of water,
I drink it noon and night;
No mother's son or daughter
Hath therein more delight.

At luncheon, too, I drink it,
And strength it seems to bring:
When really good, I think it
A liquor for a king.
But I forgot to mention --
'Tis best to be sincere --
I use an old invention
That makes it into Beer.         -- Lord Neaves


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: annamill
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 12:24 PM

Oh stop! You haven't tasted my tap water!! We have moved to a little town called Julian in California. We live up on a mountain and our water comes from a well. Yuch!! My landlord has put in two filters. One for the tap water under the house and another near my washer so my clothes won't turn BROWN!

It may be a result of the bad fires we had up here, but I've heard from others that this water has been yuchy for some time. We buy approx. 10 bottles of water a week at 25 cents a bottle. We use it for food, making drinks, drinking, and cooking. Anything that might be ingested. The water is safe according to the testing bureau but I wouldn't think of drinking it. Yuck!

It took awhile to get used to washing my dishes in it. They come out clean and so do my clothes. The water has a very definite smell of sulfer and metal, but this dissipates quickly. Again, yuch. So, don't think everyone is an edjt for drinking bottled water.

BTW, I love Perier(sp) water. Refreshing. I also love the tap water in Manhatten. Yummy! New York Times rated it as the best tasting tap water in America. Of course, they may be biased! ;-)

I'm going to get a water dispenser, that also makes the water cold, very soon. They cost $100.

Love, Annamill (sorry for rambling)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Bert
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 06:45 PM

We got fed up with the excessive amount of chlorine in our tap water so I installed a filter under the sink.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: GUEST,Betsy at Work
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 07:20 AM

Good auld Padge .
Fill a bottle from the tap - put it in the fridge - it keeps it cool.
Padge sez .."As the bottles are made from oil they should be burnt/incinerated for power!"
Why stop there ? burn the greasy gits which advertise and distribute the stuff.
My wife infuriates me by buying Bottled water - what a F8cking scam.
She can't be convinced.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: goatfell
Date: 30 Nov 08 - 09:58 AM

I can't understand why people buy bottled water which is bad for you, full of toxians and poisans (spelling) and it cost more than the water that comes out of your tap, which is cheaper.

But if people want to buy bottled(tap) water than the stuff that comes out of your tap then let them.

stupid daft eejits.

I drink water out of the tap because it is more safe for you than that shit called bottled water and cheaper too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: M.Ted
Date: 29 Nov 08 - 10:43 PM

Somewhere in the first week after we crawled out of the primordial swamps(or wherever it was that we came from) it occurred to somebody that it'd be very useful if we had a container of some sort to carry water around in--undoubtably, this person was elevated to the level of a deity, and stayed there until someone came up with the idea of a lid--

Given that, those of you who have a problem with people carrying water around in bottles, and drinking it where and when they like, are probably at least a half million years too late to change the trend.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: r.padgett
Date: 29 Nov 08 - 06:17 AM

As the bottles are made from oil they should be burnt/incinerated for power!

Ray


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 29 Nov 08 - 05:41 AM

When I lived in Midland Texas, we had to buy bottled water. Water from the tap had oily taste, look and feel. Like baby oil. It was disgusting.

My aunt lives on Chickahominy River in Virginia and has Artesian well. Best water I have ever tasted in the US or UK.

Living in South Eastern UK and we had to get a filter jug. It is ok, but not the best. I refill old water bottles to carry around with me. I did have a nice aluminum hiker's bottle, but it got a funny flavour in it that I could not dispel.

What I want to know is what happens to all the empties after marathons, where water is supplied in bottles?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: r.padgett
Date: 29 Nov 08 - 04:11 AM

buy a bottle and fill it from the tap!

I am already on record that pubs must serve free water from the tap on request ~ no not as a cheap alternative but where a drinker of alcohol feels the need!

Bottled water as an alternative to this only is not to my mind acceptable

It is written into Scottish Law that tap water is to be served as needed

Bottled water is a luxury item for those who wish to purchase it for its content and taste, no other reason

I am also very anti Coca Cola prices and see no reason for this to be charged the same as a pint of beer

£1 for a glass of diet Coke (I think about 200/300ml) is a rip off!

Ray


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: kendall
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 09:25 AM

Years ago someone got the idea to can Maine air for people who lived in the mid west.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Lox
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 08:26 PM

Hey - I haven't looked for a web page confirming it, but I seem to remember reading a report about Air canisters for sale in Japan.

Busy day? Been breathing shit? need to recuperate? pop in to one of our "air canister" vending outlets and take a deep breath of the clean stuff ... aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh..............


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: gnu
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 04:07 PM

Scam and a half. Five or six years ago here, we had "boil order" in midsummer. Might have been sommat to do with the four dead pigs tied to a tree so they would be in shallow water in the water resevoir.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: kendall
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 07:50 AM

I never buy bottled water. It's a scam.
We have well water with a water treatment system and it is excellent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: gnu
Date: 27 Nov 08 - 06:03 AM

Oh my! WAY too much cold medicine!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Cluin
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 06:19 PM

Just above, gnu. Different link, same bit.


p.s. Mine's better   ;P


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: gnu
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 06:17 PM

Sorry if this was posted before.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Ed T
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 06:13 PM

God may be against bottled water:

http://www.canadianchristianity.com/cgi-bin/na.cgi?nationalupdates/060907water

Ansd so are some political folks:

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/532432


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Cluin
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 06:08 PM

Those chemicals mimic estrogen and have a feminizing effect. Explains the metrosexuals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 05:41 PM

So what about all the stuff from the plastic bottle that leaches into the contents of that bottle then? It can't be good for water, being kept airless and confined in a bottle made basically, of chemicals...

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: Cluin
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 05:12 PM

Youtube: Lewis Black on water.

Beware.... he drops F-bombs. Lots of `em. But funny (and mostly true).


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Subject: RE: BS: Bottled water versus Tap water
From: EBarnacle
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 01:17 PM

Ebbie, it certainly is. At 64 lb per cubic foot, it is too heavy a payload just to use once and throw away.

If anyone wishes to get serious about water taste and purity, take a look at http://www.livingairwater.net/ go the the videos button, view them and then contact me. My company just signed on as their marketing division and we are looking for representatives. It's straight commission and is not an MLM system.

Enjoy the DeCaprio video.


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