Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 02:33 PM

Lin - I curtailed the qoute for this list...but sent the whole thing onto Joe. *grin*

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 02:04 PM

Well, there is a tune for the Refrain ONLY on New Math...may not be worth the hassle of sending on to Joe, though.

Lin

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 14 Nov 01 - 01:15 PM

With Thanks to Lin-in-Kansas:

2133) LOBACHEVSKY - lehrer - to qoute the songbook "Prospective performers of the piece are advised to heed its basic principles and plagiarize the author's version" - more or less a recitation.

2479) NEW MATH - from songbook "there is no melody to this song"

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 08:50 PM

Malcolm, when I grow up I want to own your library....(or at least have access to your resources!) Thank you again (I figure it can't be said often enough, considering the incredible information you post)

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 11 Nov 01 - 08:42 PM

3095)  THE SEASONS   This was transcribed from a Loreena McKennitt record.  Ms. McKennitt rarely bothers to acknowledge her sources, and described this one only as "traditional English, 19th century".  The song turns up on broadsides, but so far as I know, the only published example with a matching text from a traditional source with a tune is the set noted by W.A. Barrett at Shoreham, Sussex, in the late C19th; it was published in his English Folk-Songs (1891) and re-printed in Roy Palmer's Everyman's Book of English Country Songs (1979), which is presumably where Ms. McKennitt got it (?).  Midi made from the notation in Palmer's book.  I've only heard a short sound sample of the McKennitt recording, and she seems to have fiddled around with the tune rather a lot, perhaps in an attempt to make it more romantic or ethereal, but I think that it's the same one.  Anyway, it's the traditional tune, whatever the airy-fairy faction have done to it in the meantime...

A few corrections to the transcription:

Verse 1, line 4: doth appear
V 1, line 8: That St. Valentine's Day it forth do bring.

V2, line 6: shady grove

V3, line 5: befriended

V4, line 1: song and tale

Ms. McKennitt has omitted two whole seasons, making for a rather short year.  The missing six months are as follows:

Then cometh Summer, and then to each beholder
The fields are bedecked with hay and corn.
The mower he goes forth with a scythe upon his shoulder
And his bottle of beer so early in the morn.
Then harvest days, when everyone must labour and must swelter,
The reaper, the mower, the farmer comes along
To cut down the corn and to lay it in the shelter,
And at night drink a health with a merry song.

Next cometh Winter when outdoor work's suspended;
The thatcher and the thresher go to work in the barn,
Their coats new and thick, or with flannel neatly mended,
Each follows his task to keep himself warm.
'Tis very cold and pinching, the air is fresh and chilly,
All streams they are bound up with ice and by frost.
All nature seems decayed instead of reviving,
The beauty of all things appears to be lost.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 04:29 PM

1347) GOLD WATCH AND CHAIN - NWC file sent to joe; pdf from lin-in-kansas

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 09 Nov 01 - 01:21 PM

1284) GEORGIA ON MY MIND - NWC file sent to Joe; pdf from Lin-in-Kansas

386) BLUE RIDGE CABIN HOME - NWC file sent to Joe; pdf from Lin-in-kansas

500) BRING IT ON HOME TO ME - NWC file sent to joe; pdf from lin-in-kansas

563) CAMP GRENADA - NWC file sent to joe-pdf from lin in Kansas

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 03:37 PM

2224) THE MAGPIE - posted by MCP @ threadid=285#705 - NWC file sent to Joe

1207) FOSTERS' MILL - NWC file sent to Joe.

1268) THE GEEZER AND THE GUISER - NWC file sent to Joe.

1294) GHOST OF WILLIE-O - NWC file sent to Joe

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 08 Nov 01 - 10:07 AM

2298) ME BRAVE BOYS - abc @ threadid=14952#131218?threadid=14952 by Bruce O. NWC sent

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Snuffy
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 05:07 PM

929 DOWN WHERE THE DRUNKARDS ROLL

1345 GOING TO THE ZOO

1733 I'VE GOT THE CLANKS

2314 MERMAID (RULE BRITANNIA)

2425 MY HUSBAND'S GOT NO COURAGE IN HIM (2)

3004 THE ROSEABELLA

posted in this thread Tune Add: Please Post Tunes Here -2



WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 07 Nov 01 - 02:14 PM

835) DELANY'S DONKEY - NWC file sent to Joe.

969) THE DYING COWBOY- NWC file sent to Joe

974) THE EAGLE AND THE HAWK - NWC file sent to Joe.

2281) THE MASTER OF THE SHEEPFOLD- PDF of Jeri's midi (Nov 5, '01)sent to Joe (transcribed by Lin-in-Kansas)

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 02 Nov 01 - 03:40 PM

Thank you gentlemen! files updated.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 01 Nov 01 - 09:03 PM

3167)  SIX EGGS IN THE POT

This is another set of several fragmentary variants of a song provided by Murray of Saltspring. While his scholarship is impressive, the DT files unfortunately do not contain a bibliography or any key to the abbreviations he uses, so what might have been an extremely valuable resource is rendered virtually useless.

The notes do not make clear which of several examples of the tune named belong to which text (quite possibly that is unknown) or how far they differ from each other; the most easily-accessible, however, is the last named: "...the vehicle for Burns' song about himself, "There was a lad was born in Kyle".

The tune for this is given with the DT file THERE WAS A LAD Burns' text, with tune.

There is also another DT file without a tune, though as it doesn't appear in the "missing" list I assume that somebody has already pointed out that it is actually a duplicate:

RANTIN' ROVIN` ROBIN Identical to the above, apart from a few minor differences in spelling, the omission of the final verse, and the failure to credit the text to Burns: no tune is given. As an inferior duplicate, this file is an obvious candidate for deletion.

It is worth mentioning that Burns himself (according to James Kinsley) provided a text of the song, as O and ye were dead Gudeman, to the Scots Musical Museum. Murray quotes the text in the Six Eggs file, but doesn't mention Burns.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Snuffy
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 06:04 PM

1872 JOHN FRANCOIS is basically the same song as BONEY (filename [BONEYNAP in the DT. The tune in the DT for this is virtually identical to Hugill's Boney.

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 03:21 PM

693) COME AWAY, COME AWAY, DEATH - NWC file ready for Joe.

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 12:13 PM

2856) PUT ANOTHER LOG ON THE FIRE -NWC file ready for Joe.

536) BY THE DRY CARDRONA - NWC file ready for Joe.

955) DRY CARDRONA - same as "BY THE DRY CARDRONA"

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 31 Oct 01 - 08:45 AM

files updated. more to come.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Snuffy
Date: 30 Oct 01 - 06:05 PM

2436 MY OLD MAN

1905 JOY OF LIVING

3120 SHEATH AND KNIFE 2

2508 NOBODY KNEW SHE WAS THERE

349 BLACK AND WHITE

All the above - MidiText/abc posted in this thread Tune Add: Please Post Tunes Here -2

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 30 Oct 01 - 12:36 PM

have just finished the last batch of stuff Lin-in-Kansas sent to me; if I have counted correctly - that's somewhere around 186 tunes she has found, transcribed and in to be matched with lyrics!!!!

Thank you Lin!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: GUEST,MMario - cookieless
Date: 30 Oct 01 - 11:52 AM

902) DON'T LET THE SUN GO DOWN ON ME - NWC file ready for Joe - pdf from Lin-in-kansas

3869) YOUR SONG - NWC file ready for Joe - pdf from Lin-in-kansas

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 29 Oct 01 - 02:14 PM

2414) MY DEAR COMPANION- NWC file ready to send to Joe - PDF file from Lin-in-kansas

828) DECK OF CARDS - NWC file of accompaniment ready to send to Joe - tif file from Lin-in-kansas

3289) SUMMER WAGES - NWC file ready to send to Joe PDF file from lin-in-kansas

880) DO RE MI -NWC file ready to send to Joe. PDF file from Lin-in-kansas

930) DRAFT DODGER RAG - NWC file ready to send to Joe - PDF file from Lin-in-Kansas

3253) ST. JAMES HOSPITAL - NWC file ready to send to Joe - PDF from Lin-in-kansas

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 29 Oct 01 - 11:18 AM

982) EAT BERTHA'S MUSSELS - NWC file ready to send to Joe.

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Snuffy
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 02:18 PM

3381 THEIR WAY - same tune as 2446) MY WAY (From: MMario Date: 26-Oct-01 - 12:01 PM )

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 04:38 PM

1893) JOLLY OLD HAWK - nwc file ready to send Joe - pdf from Lin-in-kansas

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Snuffy
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 04:34 PM

3114 THE SHAPE OF MY LOVE

midtext/abc posted in this thread - Tune Req: Ballad of the Shape of Things.

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 12:01 PM

2446) MY WAY - NWC file ready to send to Joe***

3324) T FOR TEXAS = blue yodel #1 - NWC file ready to send to Joe - pdf from Lin_in_kansas

73) AMANDA - NWC file ready to send to Joe - pdf from lin in kansas

3799) WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS - NWC file ready to send to Joe ~pdf from lin-in-kansas

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 24 Oct 01 - 02:53 PM

2154 to go - about - sorta.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 24 Oct 01 - 02:49 PM

1907) JOY TO THE WORLD (2)-nwc FILE READY TO GO TO jOE.

57) ALL NIGHT LONG -NWC file ready to send to Joe.**

2501) NO MAN IS AN ISLAND - NWC file ready to send to Joe.**

2008) LADY OF SPAIN - NWC file ready to send to Joe**

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 10:19 AM

files updated.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 07:47 PM

Thanks, as usual, to Malcolm - I will be updating files tuesday.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 12:23 AM

Worth mentioning that a good few DT files that appear to have tunes, either have tunes that don't belong with the texts given, or are linked to tunes that belong to other files and just happen to share a title.  An example that I've just come across is  REYNARDINE 2;  this is the set recorded by Roberts and Barrand, which they got (all but the last verse) from Stephen Sedley's "mix-and-match" collation from lots of different sources (The Seeds of Love, 1967).  The tune came from Henry Hills (c. 1831-1901), of Lodsworth, near Petworth in Sussex, and was noted by W. Percy Merrick c.1900; it was first published in the Journal of the Folk Song Society (vol. I, number 3, 1904).  The tune linked to from the DT file is a completely different, American one, which belongs only to  REYNARDINE  as recorded by Joe Hickerson.  I've put a link to a midi of the correct tune in the  Reynardine: Info?  thread.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 04:23 PM

3778)  WIM WAM WADDLES  The DT file says "collected from mummers in Dorset by BBC".  To elaborate a little, this would be Harry Greening and chorus of Dorsetshire Mummers, Dorchester, Dorset, 1936 (Peter Kennedy, Folk Songs of Britain and Ireland, 1975; presuming the information he gives is accurate).  Midi made from notation in Kennedy.

277)  THE BATTLE OF PRESTONPANS   and 3496)  TRANENT MUIR   These are both variants of the same song.  Bruce Olson said, in an earlier thread here: "The Battle of Prestonpans in DT file TRANMUI2 is that in Hogg's Jacobite Relics, II, #62, 1821.  The same text (except 'shit' in the 5th verse is expurgated) is called Tranet Muir in The Scots Musical Museum, #102, 1788.  The tune in both cases is "Gillikrankie" (Killikrankie). "

This is related to the tune given in the DT as  Killy Kranky, which is an American variant from Jean Ritchie; given the dates concerned, though, the intended tune would presumably be closer to the one used by Burns (1790) , and given as Killiecrankie in James Kinsley's Burns: Poems and Songs (1969).  Midi made from the notation in that book; I haven't embedded a lyric this time, as both songs are phrased differently; work it out for yourselves!

3069)  SANDY SEATON'S WOOING  [Child #33]
DT text from Moffat's 50 [?Traditional Scottish] Nursery Rhymes (if the unexplained "50 TSNR" so often referred to in DT files is that book); midi made from notation reproduced from Moffat in Bronson's Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads.

1964)  KINMONT WILLIE   [Child #186 ]
Bronson was very suspicious of this one, and inclined to suspect that both tune and text were fake.  He gives the tune published by Alexander Campbell in Albyn's Anthology (1816), with considerable reservations as to its authenticity (particularly as regards the second strain; such things are often bogus, invented by editors to make a tune more "interesting").  Midi made from that notation, however; judge for yourselves.

1599)  HUMBOLDT WASSAIL SONG   This is a parody of the well-known English Here We Come A-Wassailing, for which the tune is given with  HERE WE COME A WASSAILING (2); presumably that is the tune intended.  WASSCOME.MID

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 18 Oct 01 - 12:53 PM

oops! as usual files are updated, "missing tunes" and "found tunes" files available to be sent to anyone. Volunteers to find and transcribe and/or send scans to me always welcome.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 18 Oct 01 - 12:49 PM

1966) KISSES SWEETER THAN WINE - NWC file ready to send to Joe*

2030) LASS OF GLENSHEE (2) - NWC file ready to send to Joe*

1922) JUST THE FACTS MA'AM (Justfact.mid) ~ NWC file ready to send to Joe*

2097) LINKS ON THE CHAIN ~ NWC file ready to send to Joe*

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 17 Oct 01 - 04:05 PM

754) THE CREMATION OF SAM MCGEE - ready to be sent to Joe Nov3.

1406) GREENBERG'S =MC tune = see greenflds

1363) GOOD PEANUTS - nwc file ready to send to joe

2179) LOUISIANA SATURDAY NIGHT -nwc file ready to send to Joe

2301) MEETING IS OVER - NWC file ready to send to Joe

3689) WHAT'S MADE MILWAUKEE FAMOUS(Has Made A Loser Out Of Me)- NWC file ready to send to Joe

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 12 Oct 01 - 03:01 PM

2880) RAGGED BUT RIGHT (2)- NWC file sent to Joe; midi from Lin_in_kansas

2036) THE LAST GAME OF THE SEASON (The Blind Man In The Bleachers)- NWC file sent to JOe, midi from Lin-in-kansas

2643) ON THE OTHER HAND ~ NWC file sent to Joe; from midi sent by LIn-in-kansas

2879) RAGGED BUT RIGHT - NWC file sent to Joe; midi from Lin_in_kansas

2652) ONCE I LOVED -NWC file sent to Joe; from a midi sent by Lin_in_kansas

3384) THERE IS POWER - NWC file sent to Joe; midi from Lin_in_kansas

2902) REASON TO BELIEVE - NWC file sent to Joe; midi from Lin_in_kansas

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 12 Oct 01 - 08:43 AM

2912) REDNECKS, WHITE SOCKS AND BLUE RIBBON BEER - NWC file sent to Joe; midi from Lin in kansas

3151) SINGLE GIRL -NWC file sent to Joe;midi sent by Lin_in_kansas

3073) SATISFIED MIND - nwc file sent to Joe; midi from Lin_in_kansas

92) AND SO IT GOES - NWC file sent to Joe; midi from Lin_in_kansas

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 11 Oct 01 - 11:33 AM

Jean - what some people do is scan the music and e-mail it to me. An even less technological method is to copy the sheet music and snail mail it to me. That is perfectly fine, and one of the easiest ways to get it here. (This is assuming sheet music is available)

1214) FOUR WET PIGS - IvanB sent NWC file to Joe

3273) STRANGE FRUIT - nwc file sent to joe; midi from Lin_in_kansas

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 06:25 PM

Yet the tunes as I know them are different indeed...Annie Jane's, "Magpie's Nest," is a slow, narrative-like, decorated, reflective melody. Annie Arnot's, "Cuckoo's Nest" is fast, rhythmical, with a strong,humorous delivery, and as I remember a rather wild laugh at the end (not part of the tune- just Annie's addition). Hamish H. was with us that time, and he did tend to bring out that kind of thing in singers! Jean

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 03:58 PM

Many thanks for the correction, Jean.  I quoted the details as Peter Kennedy gave them in his book; evidently his memory failed him on this one!  I see what you mean about the great difference in tone between The Magpie's Nest and The Cuckoo's Nest;though the tunes are certainly close relatives, the songs really are, as you say, otherwise quite separate.  So far as attributions and sources go, I have to rely almost entirely on received information, so any further corrections or additional information you may have at any time, about anything at all, would be very welcome indeed.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 03:07 PM

Jean, many of us have the software to make midi files. I can do it from sheet music, and I think Joe can change a wave file to a midi. Then some of us can just listen and transcribe. MMario will take any tune you have!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 01:49 PM

MMario- Our collections also include, The Cuckoo's Nest, sung by Annie Arnot, and also a version by Jimmie MacBeath in Scotland. These are both short, rather bawdy pieces- whereas, The Magpie's Nest as sung by Annie Jane Kelly in Ireland, is more a gentle love song. Are they really the same song? It doesn't seem so to me.

I know the melodies to all these, but haven't learnt how to make them available here. J.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 01:39 PM

Malcolm Douglas- a respectful correction re The Magpie's Nest. The actual recording was made by Jean Ritchie and George Pickow (who also took still b&w photos of the event)in the Makem cottage in Keady, Co. Armagh, in 1952. Singer was Annie Jane Kelly. Sean O'Boyle was a near neighbor but was not present on that evening.

Peter Kennedy and Seamus Ennis had been most kind in giving us names and addresses of folks they had visited before, throughout England, Scotland and Ireland. Sarah Makem organized that evening's ceilidh, and several folks were there who had not been recorded before by Ennis/Kennedy, Annie Jane being one of them. We gave copies of our tapes to Peter Kennedy upon our return to London, a few weeks later. Jean Ritchie

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 03:11 AM

Query in Conversation With a Mule?

about an old LYR ADD thread at:

LYR ADD: CONVERSATION WITH A MULE

Refreshed and added a discography reference, 4 Oct 2001.

John

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 02:45 AM

Rats! Okay, I'll keep looking...thanks, Malcolm.

Lin

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 04 Oct 01 - 08:47 PM

To begin with, I thought I had it, too, but the John Shiels  Cuckoo's Nest  in the DT is one that I don't know, I'm afraid; though it may be set to one of the well-known tune variants, the file isn't specific enough to be sure; it would have to be stretched a bit to accommodate the lyric!  Frank Harte would know.

While I'm here:

682)  COLLYCW
680)  COLLY MY COW 2
681)  COLLY MY COW 3
Note: For some unknown reason, this transcription by Bruce Olson of a broadside of c. 1675 has been broken up into three separate files.  They should all be together in one file, in this order: COLLYCW (verse preamble); COLLY MY COW 2; COLLY MY COW 3.  Bruce refers to a traditional text and tune in Baring-Gould's Songs of the West; this doesn't comfortably fit the broadside text, and Baring Gould's notes suggest that the tune may not in any case properly belong to the song, as he noted it from "an aged woman at Kingsweare", who was actually singing  The Abbot of Canterbury  to it at the time.  The notes are ambiguous as to whether there was any ground beyond convenience for associating tune and text, and no mention is made of the immediate source of the text, though Baring Gould did note that he had added the final verse himself.  On the whole, I think it best to post the West Country set in a new thread, with references to the earlier version:  Colly My Cow.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 04 Oct 01 - 06:27 PM

Malcolm (your post above on The Magpie)--the tune for the DT's "The Cuckoo's Nest" is still needed. I thought I had it, but the version I have doesn't match the DT version.

Is the tune you transcribed for "Magpie" the tune for the DT version of "Cuckoo's Nest"?

And can I echo MMario's "Wow!"? Your scholarship is impressive!

Lin

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 04 Oct 01 - 04:51 PM

WOW! Thanks Malcolm!

I don't have any record of 3309 OR 3310 being done - otherwise everything looks great!

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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 04 Oct 01 - 04:17 PM

Here are some more:

2225)  THE MAGPIE 2
Though the DT file does not say so, this was noted by Peter Kennedy and S. O'Boyle from Annie Jane Kelly at Keady, Armagh, in 1952, as The Magpie's Nest.  The tune is a variant of The Cuckoo's Nest, as the DT file does, rather obliquely, suggest.  Midi made from notation in Kennedy's Folk Songs of Britain and Ireland, 1975.

2143)  LONESOME DOVE 3
Noted by Cecil Sharp from Mrs. Ellie Johnson at Hot Springs, N.C., in 1916, as stated in the DT file.  Midi made from the notation in English Folk Songs from the Southern Appalachians (Oxford University Press, 1952).

2228)  MAID AND THE ROBBER
DT #419, Laws L3 (The Undaunted Female).  The DT text is from Gavin Greig.  Two differing tunes and one text are given in The Greig-Duncan Folk Song Collection, vol. II, p.286, and I have made midis from both sets of notation.  The first is from an unnamed source; the second (and possibly the text, also traditionally called Box on Her Head) from a Mrs. Strachan, c. 1908.  Mrs. Strachan sang a refrain, not given in the DT: Wi my fal de do i di-do, fal-al-de-da.

1100)  THE FARMER FEEDS THEM ALL
And thread  HELP-origin of THE FARMER IS THE MAN?  where I have posted the original text as written by Knowles Shaw, c.1870s.
Midi -melody line only- made from notation in The Century of Song, vol. II, comp. Adam Geibal (Philadelphia, 1897).  The chorus is arranged for four voices; I've used the soprano part as most closely resembling the tune as now sung.

2496)  NO CHURCHMAN AM I  Lyric by Robert Burns.  The tune is Prepare, my dear Brethren, to the tavern let's fly; midi made from notation in James Kinsley, Burns: Poems and Songs (OUP, 1969).  In the fourth line of the first stanza, "business" is given one syllable only.

2616)  THE OLD MAN'S TALE   Properly called The Old Man's Song; written by Ian Campbell and set to the tune of Nicky Tams.  Midi made from notation in The Big Red Songbook (Pluto Press, 1977).

2805)  THE POSIE  Lyric by Robert Burns (as specified by Alice, who posted it), though the DT file makes no mention of this.  Midi made from notation in James Kinsley, Burns: Poems and Songs (OUP, 1969); I have put in a form of trill in the final bar where one is indicated, but with no guarantees that it's an historically correct one.

2839)  THE PRODIGAL'S RESOLUTION  From D'Urfey's Wit and Mirth: or Pills to Purge Melancholy (1719-1720).  The tune is Jamaica, also given in Playford's Dancing Master, edition of 1670.  Midi made from Playford's notation, as reproduced in Simpson's The British Broadside and Its Music (1966).

2843)  PROUD LADY MARGARET  Though the DT file does not say so, this partial text is from Gavin Greig's prolific source Bell Robertson (1914); she learnt it at the age of about 14.  Miss Robertson did not sing, so there is no tune recorded.  The Greig-Duncan Folk Song Collection (vol. II, 1983), however, gives another, fragmentary text, with tune, which was noted from a Mrs. Gordon of New Deer, Aberdeenshire, in 1904.  While there is no evidence that the Robertson set was ever sung to this particular tune, the two were found in the same locality only a few years apart, so this is probably the closest we will get.  Midi made from the notation in Greig-Duncan.

3249)  SPRING GLEE  This is the Copper Family's When Spring Comes In, filed under an unusual title.  Midi made from notation in Bob Copper's A Song for Every Season (1971).

3270)  STORMY WINDS  The DT file describes this as "from the singing of the Copper Family", which is code for "learned from a record".  As it happens, I'm not aware of this song ever having been in the Coppers' repertoire; the text given is that recorded by the Watersons, and I suspect a mistake in ascription.  The tune used was noted by H. Balfour Gardiner, from Benjamin Arnold, of Easton, near Winchester, in 1906; the text is a collation of Arnold's and another, noted "from the stationmaster at Cliddesden, near Basingstoke, Hampshire" by George B. Gardiner in 1907.  Midi made from notation of Mr. Arnold's singing in The Journal of the Folk Song Society vol. III, issue 13, 1909.  A number of variations were also noted, which I have not incorporated.  If I recall correctly, the Watersons changed the tune a bit, but trying to notate their singing can be a pain sometimes, and I don't feel like doing it.

There are some mistakes in the DT file.  In verse 3, line 1, mount or plain should be Mount Star plain; in line 2, did weave should be did bleat.  In verse 5, line 1, grimy should be rimy; in line 3, hail or, though logical, is not what the Watersons sang; they followed the unnamed Stationmaster in singing ilgo, whatever that might be!  It's also worth mentioning that the Watersons changed Mr. Arnold's ready to complete (verse 2 line 2) to the more sensible ready to bleat, as given in the DT.

Note:  There is another version in the DT,  SHEPHERD'S SONG;  a tune is given, but no source is acknowledged.  As it happens, it's the set sent to Lucy Broadwood by F. Scarlett Potter of Halford, Shipton-on-Stour, and published in English County Songs (L.E. Broadwood and J.A. Fuller Maitland, 1893).  "The first verse was taken from the recitation of a lady born at Stoke, Gloucestershire, in 1793; the remaining verses were recovered from Thomas Coldicote, shepherd, of Ebrington, Gloucestershire.  Blockley, referred to in verse 3, is in the parish adjoining Ebrington."

3441)  THREE SISTERS  This fragment of Babylon is given in Bronson (Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads, vol. I) as number#14, example 6; Doon by the Bonnie Banks o' Airdrie, O.  Midi from the notation in that book.

NOTES:

3104)  SEVEN DAFFODILLS  This is a mis-spelled duplicate of  3105)  SEVEN DAFFODILS ,  and probably needs to be deleted.  The song is a modern one, written by Lee Hayes and Fran Moseley in the early 1960s.  I have no idea what the tune might be.

3150)  THE SINGLE BOLINDER  A modern song, based on  LITTLE CHANCE  and sharing its tune, which I've already sent to Alan.

3231)  SONG OF THE THE GILLIE MORE  [sic] This is a duplicate, with the title mis-spelled, of  GILLIE MOR,  for which the tune (a slowed-down Whistle O'er the Lave O't) has apparantly already been supplied.  The former file should probably be deleted.

3310)  THE SWEET FORGET-ME-NOT  This is a duplicate, slightly more accurately transcribed, of  (3309)   SWEET FORGET-ME-NOT,  for which a tune has apparantly been supplied.  Both texts appear to have been transcribed from a recording by Ian Robb.  3309, as the (marginally) inferior duplicate, is an obvious candidate for deletion.

1792)  ISLAND OF BOTHIES  This is an English translation of a set of  FIONNGHUALA,  for which I have provided a (rather oddly-notated) traditional tune.  It might be sensible to combine the files, or at the very least cross-reference them.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes WANTED: Part SEVEN
From: MMario
Date: 04 Oct 01 - 03:57 PM

1560) HOBO BILL'S LAST RIDE (HOBO BILL)~ NWC file sent to JOe from midi sent by Lin_in_kansas

1593) HOW FAR IS HEAVEN ~NWC file sent to Joe - from midi sent by Lin_in_kansas

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