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Subject: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 18 Dec 01 - 09:54 AM previous thread - part seven |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 18 Dec 01 - 11:58 AM 1980) Keep on the Sunnyside - NWC from lin-in-kansas sent to joe 2605) OLD HOME PLACE - nwc from lin-in-kansas sent to Joe. 2661) ONE MEATBALL - josh white version - NWC file from lin-in-kansas sent to Joe. 3209) SOME FOLKS DO - NWC from lin-in-kansas sent to Joe. 3445) TIMBER (JERRY THE MULE)- nwc file from lin-in-kansas sent to Joe 3714) WHEN IT'S WINTER IN THE KOOTENAYS - NWC file from lin-in-kansas sent to Joe 191) THE BALLAD OF BLOODY THURSDAY - NWC file from Lin-in_kansas sent to Joe 1237) FROG KISSING - midi from john-in-kansas; NWC file sent to Joe. files updated (2021) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 18 Dec 01 - 04:36 PM 1765) IN OLD MEXICO - lehrer -NWC from lin-in-kansas sent to Joe. 274) THE BATTLE OF GARVAGH - NWC file sent to Joe. 479) BRAVE BOYS ARE THEY - NWC file sent to Joe. files updated (2018) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 20 Dec 01 - 01:06 PM 1155) THE FISHERMAN'S WIFE -NWC file sent to Joe. 1744) IF I WERE A CARPENTER - NWC file sent to Joe. files updated.(2016)
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 20 Dec 01 - 01:57 PM I made a midi for Fisherman's Wife from the notation in the book specified in the DT file some time ago, but I don't seem to have remembered to say so, which makes me wonder if there are others I haven't listed here. Hmm... |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 20 Dec 01 - 02:03 PM I may have missed it Malcolm.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 20 Dec 01 - 04:15 PM 2983) ROLL, AGEMEMNON, ROLL - NWC file sent to Joe. files updated. 2015) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Snuffy Date: 24 Dec 01 - 12:10 PM 1629 I BID YOU GOODNIGHT |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 24 Dec 01 - 01:19 PM I forgot that there was a new thread, and posted some more additions to the old one: Factor's Song/ Jenny Jenkins/ Present from the Gentlemen.
935) THE DREADFUL GHOST The DT text was transcribed from a record by John Roberts and Tony Barrand, the sleevenotes to which (available on the web) state Our version is Canadian, collected by Helen Creighton in the Maritimes, collated with Peacock's Newfoundland texts. Creighton in fact published several sets of this song, but so far as I can tell, the only one where she is credited as sole collector is that recorded from Philip Warner of West Petpeswick, in 1951, which at any rate starts out the same as the Roberts/ Barrand collation, which I haven't heard. Midi made, therefore, from notation of that set in Creighton's Maritime Folk Songs (1962). It might be useful if the quote from Roberts and Barrand were included in the DT file, as at present the implication is that this is a traditional set of words, which is not the case. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 24 Dec 01 - 05:42 PM That's okay Malcolm, I was lazy and didn't put a link to the new thread in the old one. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Snuffy Date: 24 Dec 01 - 06:10 PM 1490 HEDGEHOG SONG |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 25 Dec 01 - 10:59 PM 1207) FOSTERS' MILL The DT file names no source of any kind for this. So far, the only set I can find is in Karl Dallas' One Hundred Songs of Toil (1974); this too provides little information beyond the comment "This song was first published in Ballads and Songs magazine". It omits the final verse given in the DT, but contains an additional one:
The wind it blew, the sparks they flew, This follows the first verse (described as "chorus" in the DT); the next verse is given as:
Around and around we all will stand The first verse is repeated at the end. Tazzling is glossed as tangling. Midi made from notation in the book.
1387) GRAZIER'S DAUGHTER The DT text was transcribed from a record by June Tabor, and contains a number of small errors. The transcriber has, irritatingly, insisted on omitting final vowels from many words (bein', sighin', etc.) which might be appropriate when noting from a traditional singer, but is to my mind pointless when transcribing from a commercial recording made by a professional entertainer who got the song out of a book (where the words were spelled normally). Oh well (pet peeve, obviously).
The book in question was Frank Purslow's The Wanton Seed (EFDSS, 1968), and the song was noted by the Hammond brothers, as Betsy, The Servingmaid, from Robert Barrett of Puddletown, Dorset, in 1905. Line 3 of verse 3, about which the transcriber was unsure, should be: By all the swearing powers above. The final line of verse 10 is quoted in the DT as I'd send poor Betsy across the main, which makes nonsense of the narrative; Mr. Barrett actually sang I'd send for Betsy far over the main. Midi made from the notation in the book. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 26 Dec 01 - 09:10 AM Thank you snuffy and malcolm. files updated. count is at 2009 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 26 Dec 01 - 12:48 PM 1430) THE HAGGIS OF DUNBAR The DT file contains four variations of this little piece, from Scotland and Northern England. No mention is made of a tune, but there is a reel of the same name which appeared in The Athole Collection (James Stewart Robertson, 1884). Obviously, I don't know if the tune was ever associated with any of the texts -or with any other- but the coincidence of a rather unusual name does suggest it. Midi made from the notation in that book; the texts fit the "A" part of the music well enough, and it has been necessary only to remove one pickup note from the end of the fourth bar, doubling the duration of the previous note.
1912) JUG OF PUNCH 2 The DT file was transcribed from one of the Caedmon/Topic Folksongs of Britain LP series. The song in question was recorded by Peter Kennedy and S. O'Boyle from both Margaret Loughram and Edward Quinn at Castlecaulfield, Co. Tyrone in 1952; the DT file mentions Quinn but not Loughram, so presumably it is his set that appeared on the record, though Kennedy tended to splice different recordings of songs together, and parts of both may have been included (I haven't heard it for years, and don't remember). Kennedy included Loughram's set in his Folksongs of Britain and Ireland (1975); the texts are virtually identical, though the form of the nonsense words in the refrain is a little different, and verse 3 line 1 in the DT ends with desire; Loughram sang endure, which makes better sense. Midi made from the notation in that book; the embedded lyric is Loughram's version. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 26 Dec 01 - 01:01 PM 3190) SMUT - lehrer - pdf from lin-in-kansas; NWC file sent to Joe. 2061) LES RAFTSMEN - NWC file sent to Joe. 2265) MARS FOR EVERMORE - see tunefile rolagamn files updated -(2004) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 26 Dec 01 - 04:07 PM 2572) OKIE FROM MUSCOGEE -NWC file sent to Joe. 2003! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 28 Dec 01 - 04:08 PM 2888) THE RAMBLING SIULER - NWC file sent to Joe. 2116) LITTLE RABBIT FUFU - NWC file sent to joe. 1071) FALSE SIR JOHN -see false sir john 2 2878) THE RAFTSMEN - see tunefile for LES RAFTSMEN files updated. (1999!*!*!*!)
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 30 Dec 01 - 03:37 PM 2174) THE LOSS OF THE SCOTCH PATRICK From the Greig-Duncan collection; text from James Angus. This appears to be the only example found, and no tune is known for it.
2182) LOVE IN THE TUB This is a Missouri text noted in 1910, for which no tune was recorded. There are a number of broadside examples (Love in a tub; or, the Old miser outwitted), but none of the accessible ones name a tune. However, Claude M. Simpson (The British Broadside Ballad and Its Music, 1966) mentions a broadside entitled A New Song called Love in a Tub (c. 1683), which was sung to the tune of Daniel Cooper. Now, this may be a completely different song; but it seems to be the nearest we are likely to get. There's a good enough chance that it was an earlier version of the late 18th/early 19th century sheets that can be seen at the Bodleian and the Library of Congress. Midi made from the notation given in Playford's Dancing Master (9th edition, 1695, reproduced in Simpson's book), with the caveat that this is only a guess at a tune for this particular text.
2416) MY FATHER'S SERVANT BOY A set from Nova Scotia which was collected without a tune. Midi made from a version in Sam Henry's Songs of the People (Huntington, Herrman & Moulden, 1990); the tune came from Samuel Davison of Drumnakeel, Ballyvoy, Ballycastle, in 1927. Obviously, we don't know that the song was sung to the same tune in Nova Scotia, but it's as close as we can get. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Lin in Kansas Date: 31 Dec 01 - 12:49 AM Under 2000 before New Year's!!!!!!! Way to go, you guys! Lin |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 01 Jan 02 - 12:23 PM 1861) JOCK SHEEP In his notes to #112, The Baffled Knight F.J. Child wrote of this: "There is a Scottish ballad in which the tables are turned upon the maid in the conclusion. This, as being of comparatively recent, and not of popular, but of low literary origin, cannot be admitted here. It can be found in Kinloch's Ballad Book, Jock Sheep, p.16, and the Kinloch MSS, I, 229, taken down from the recitation of Miss E. Beattie, Mearnsshire. Other versions are, in the Campbell MSS, Dernie Hughie, II, 233; Jock Sheep, or, the Maiden Outwitted, Buchan MSS, I, 155." Kinloch gave no tune, of course, but there are a couple of sets in the Greig-Duncan Folk Song Collection (vol.2, 1983, song number 302), one of which has a reasonably full text. It was noted from Alexander Robb of New Deer, Aberdeenshire, in 1909, and appears originally to have been mis-classified as a version of The Broomfield Hill; as such it appears in Bronson as 43.12, Leatherum Thee Thou and A'. It was touched on in a discussion back in August, Lyr Add: Broomfield Wager (4), but at that time I'd failed to find it in Greig-Duncan as I didn't have my own copy and was of course looking for the wrong title. The traditional sets all have a chorus; none appears in Kinloch's text quoted in the DT, but that's no surprise, as "literary" ballad editors often omitted them, thinking them silly. The midi, therefore, is twice as long as the verses in the DT file, to which should be added the following as chorus:
Leatherum thee thou an' a' |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 02 Jan 02 - 10:19 AM thanks malcolm. files updated with yours and also: 3573) VEGEMATIC - NWC from lin-in-Kansas; ready to be sent to Joe. 1568) HOME GROWN TOMATOES - NWC file from Lin-in-Kansas; ready to be sent to Joe. 1663) I REMEMBER LOVING YOU - NWC file from Lin-in-Kansas; Ready to be sent to Joe. 1981) Kid's Liberation Song - per singout! (vol42 #4, p99) tune-Squid Jigging Ground which brings us down to 1991!! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 02 Jan 02 - 04:40 PM 2692) OUT BEHIND THE BARN - NWC file ready to be sent to Joe. 2890) RAMBLIN` ROVER -nwc file ready to be sent to joe. 2971) ROCKING ALONE IN AN OLD ROCKING CHAIR -NWC file ready to be sent to joe. 1989. so - does anyone know? is the tune for Rocky Banks of Buffalo the same as the Bonnie Banks o Fordie? - or Bonnie Farday? it would fit both, if I'm looking at them right - and the ballad index shows them are varients of each other. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 02 Jan 02 - 08:50 PM Unfortunately. whoever posted the text didn't bother to say, so we can't tell unless somebody out there has Lisa Null's record. The tune may, for all we know, be similar, but it may also be completely different. There are times when I would cheerfully strangle all those people who thought they were being helpful, and who instead just made work for others by not taking the trouble to give proper information in the first place. (moan, grumble; they're still doing it!!) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 03 Jan 02 - 01:18 PM 3001) THE ROSE OF NO MAN'S LAND - SONGWRIGHT file feady for Joe. 1988 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 04 Jan 02 - 03:09 PM 3032) SAE WILL WE YET - Songwright file ready to be sent to joe. 3070) SANTA PAUSE - songwright file ready to be sent to Joe. files updated~[1986]
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 08 Jan 02 - 08:49 AM 493) BRIGHT SHINING MORNING The DT text is described as "First heard at Folk Club in 1983 from Richard Adrianowicz of Out of the Rain"; the Mudcat's Radriano, in fact. The song is English, and I couldn't find a set that quite matched his; versions still current in tradition, such as that in the repertoire of the Holme Valley Beagles, (Bright Rosy Morning) differ quite considerably in text, though the chorus remains pretty much the same. The closest I could get is The Sweet Rosy Morning, noted by Lucy Broadwood (source and date unknown) and published in Sussex Songs (H.F. Birch Reynardson, 1889). Having settled on that, I checked the Forum and found this thread: Bright Shining Morning, in which Richard wondered where he had learned it, the answer being from Swan Arcade (though perhaps via Lou Killen) who indeed used the Broadwood set, but changed the title for some reason and added a generic final verse. Midi made, therefore, from the notation in that book, as reprinted in Sweet Sussex: Folk Songs from the Broadwood Collections (Lewis Jones, 1995). |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 08 Jan 02 - 09:03 AM 3083) SCOTCH ON THE ROCKS - songwright file ready to be sent to joe. files updated. ~1984 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 08 Jan 02 - 12:53 PM 2109) THE LITTLE FIGHTING CHANCE The DT text is taken from W. Roy Mackenzie's Ballads and Sea Songs from Nova Scotia (1928); though the file does not say so, the text was noted from Robert Langille of Tatamagouche. No tune was given in the book, so we must look elsewhere. There is a version in the Greig-Duncan collection, Box Them Off, My Jolly Tars (noted in 1905), and another, The Fourteenth of July, in John Broadwood and G.A. Dusart's Songs of the Peasantry of the Weald of Surrey and Sussex (1843); the tunes are different, but the text of the latter is closer to the Nova Scotia set, so in the absence of concrete information I've gone for that one. Midi made from notation as reprinted in Sweet Sussex: Folk Songs from the Broadwood Collections (Lewis Jones, 1995). |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 09 Jan 02 - 11:29 AM 3309) SWEET FORGET-Me-NOT - see tunefile forgetme THE SWEET FORGET-ME-NOT 3310) THE SWEET FORGET-ME-NOT ~songwright file ready for Joe. files updated. remainder~1981 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 09 Jan 02 - 04:57 PM 31) AILENN DUINN - songwright file ready to be sent to Joe. 666) THE COAST OF PERU (2)see threadid=42883 songwright file ready to be sent to Joe. 3741) WHITE SLAVE ~songwright file ready to be sent to joe. files updated ~1978 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 10 Jan 02 - 02:32 PM 47) ALCOHOLIC BABY - songwright file ready to be sent to Joe. files updated ~1977 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 10 Jan 02 - 04:10 PM Re Ailenn Duinn: was that from the Tonic Sol-Fa in Oran nan Gaidheal, or somewhere else? There a are a number of variants of this song (I wonder why it's described as "Irish" in the DT?) and some of the tunes don't fit the text we have here. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 10 Jan 02 - 04:18 PM malcolm - I cheated on that one. I took it from a site that had that tune with the lyrics from the DT. I didn't even attempt to fit the lyric to the tune - just more or less prayed they'd be right. ps - if you send me a scan of the tonic solfa I'm willing to attempt them - you mentioned it once before but never sent it. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 11 Jan 02 - 04:22 PM 401) BOGLED - see tunefile nomanld 2) 16TH AVENUE -have this - it's stuck on my home computer tho. files updated. ~1975
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Snuffy Date: 11 Jan 02 - 07:22 PM Mario, the third part of BOGLED is sung to "No Man's Land", but the first bit is "The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" [BANDPLAY, and the middle is "Now I'm Easy" [IMEASY. WassaiL! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 11 Jan 02 - 08:27 PM s'okay! thank you! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 12 Jan 02 - 07:20 AM Sorry about the tonic sol fa; I thought I'd sent it, but the intention was not the father of the deed. Gifs of TSF for Ailein Duinn and Mo Ghleannan Taobh Loch Lìobhann (words Alasdair MacFhraing, music Teàlach MacAonghais) are on their way to you. Both from Bruce Campbell's Orain nan Gaidheal (Gairm Publications), vols. 1 and 2 respectively. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 12 Jan 02 - 07:24 AM That should be jpg and Teàrlach. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 13 Jan 02 - 03:41 PM 1837) JANIE ON THE MOOR Another text from W. Roy Mackenzie's Ballads and Sea Songs from Nova Scotia, in which no tune was included. The song is known under a variety of names -and with a variety of tunes- in Britain, Ireland, Canada and the USA, but another Nova Scotia version would seem to be the best option. There's one in Helen Creighton's Maritime Folk Songs (1962) which was noted from Nathan Hatt of Middle River, Nova Scotia, in 1952. His text was less complete than Mrs. Campbell's, but the match to the melody is reasonable (one note had to be split into two, but that's all), so I've gone for it. The usual warning: there is no evidence that this tune, or one like it, was ever used for this particular set of the song, but it was used for a similar variant in the same region, which will serve until somebody comes up with a better match. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 13 Jan 02 - 10:02 PM 715) THE CONSTANT FARMER'S SON Again from MacKenzie, so as usual, no tune. Again, there's a reasonably close set in Creighton's Maritime Folk Songs, in this case from Jack Turple of Upper Kennetcook, 1952. As always, that warning that tune and text do not belong together, but since MacKenzie didn't bother to give the information needed (or didn't possess it in the first place), this is a "best guess" only, until somebody who has better information than I, provides it. A couple of notes have been split to accomodate the lyric. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 14 Jan 02 - 09:08 AM 2353) MO GHLEANNAN TAOBH LOCH LI\OBHAINN - nwc file taken from tonic solfa ready to be sent to Joe (NOTE: this is a priliminary attempt. - buest guess ) files updated ~1972
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 15 Jan 02 - 10:07 AM 210) BALLAD OF SAINT ANNE'S REEL - NWC file ready to be sent to Joe. 1162) THE FLASH PACKET - NWC file ready to be sent to Joe. files updated ~1970
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 16 Jan 02 - 04:25 PM 871) DIGGY LIGGY LO ~NWC file ready to be sent to Joe. 934) DRAWING NEARER TO THE MERRY MONTH OF MAY - tune = 'All in this pleasant evening' - NWC file ready to be sent to Joe. files updated ~1968 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 17 Jan 02 - 02:07 PM 941) DRIFT AWAY ~NWC file ready to be sent to Joe. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 18 Jan 02 - 02:06 PM 486) BRID ONE BREERE - NWC file ready to be sent to joe. 914) DONEGAL DANNY -NWC file from JonF midi ready to be sent to Joe files updated ~1965 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 22 Jan 02 - 03:51 PM 1270) GENERAL GUINESS - NWC file ready to be sent to Joe. files updated. ~1964 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 23 Jan 02 - 01:06 PM 1421) GUY FAWKES - NWC file ready to be sent to Joe. 1422) THE GUY FAWKES SONG - SEE Guy Fawkes 1286) GET HER INTO SHORE ~NWC file ready to be sent to Joe. ~1961 to go: files updated. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 23 Jan 02 - 01:50 PM 1413) GRISELDA Tune (midi) and amended lyric added to this thread: Tune Req: Griselda |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 23 Jan 02 - 02:38 PM Thank you sir. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes: WANTED - part EIGHT From: MMario Date: 25 Jan 02 - 10:43 AM 1689) I'LL NOT MARRY AT ALL - NWC file ready to be sent to Joe. 3399) THERE'S A GOLD MINE IN THE SKY - FN File from Genie ;NWC file ready to be sent to Joe. files updated ~1958 to go. |
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