Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:

Subject: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 12:26 PM

This list of 3800 plus tunes missing from the DT is available by e-mail from me if people want it. (post here or PM me with your address) Thank you to those who have already requested it.

This thread is also an appropriate place to post the tunes in ABC or Miditxt, (I can convert them to midi from there if necessary) or you can post them in a thread about the song and post a link here. I will try to keep the main list updated. Also you can post here if you have sent a "missing tune" to Alan_of_Oz as a midi file.

Also if you HAVE the music and want to "claim" the song as a contribution but haven't got the midi/abc/whatever done yet, you can post here to eliminate duplicate efforts.

Make sense? I hope so.

7/21/00 I send Alan the midi for "Your cheating heart"

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Please Post Tunes Here (click)

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 01:43 PM

found in forum so far....(Thanks John_i_B!)

84) AMONG MY SOUVENIRS - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103932

101) ANGELINA BAKER -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103927

230) BANANA BOAT SONG -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103927

231) BANANA REPUBLICS - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=66622

380) BLUE EYES CRYING IN THE RAIN - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=43460

596) CAT'S IN THE CRADLE-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103927

740) COVENTRY CAROL - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=79331

808) DAVY CROCKETT-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103927

812) DAY IS DONE - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=79331

1398) GREEN HILLS OF TYROL-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103929

1574) HOMEWARD BOUND - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=66622

1609) HUNTING OF THE WREN -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=109963 (?)

1612) HUSBANDMAN AND SERVINGMANhttp://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103929

1665) I SAW THE LIGHT- http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=43460

2035) THE LAST FAREWELL-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103929

2051) LEAVING ON A JET PLANE - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103937

2099) LISTEN TO THE MOCKINGBIRDhttp://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103929

2189) LOVING HANNAH - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=44647

2192) LOWLANDS-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103929

2292) MAY MORNING DEW -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103932

2464) NED KELLY'S FAREWELL TO GRETA. -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=47854

2509) NOBODY KNOWS THE TROUBLE I'VE SEEN - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=46734

2900) REACH OUT AND CATCH THE WIND -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=95711

3077) SAVE YOUR MONEY WHILE YOU'RE YOUNG-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103932

3254) ST. JAMES INFIRMARY-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=109963

3275) STRANGERS IN MY SOUP -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=106109

3282) STRONG WOMEN RULE US ALL WITH THEIR TEARS-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=109963

3514) TRY TO REMEMBER - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=106109

3606) WARLIKE SEAMEN-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=1039323607) WASH WEEL THE FRESH FISH

3683) WHAT CAN A YOUNG LASSIE-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103932

3755) WIDGEGOWEERA JOE -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=106109

3809) WOMAN OF LABRADOR-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=109963

3845) YELLOW BIRD - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=79331

3859) YOU'RE NOT A DREAM (UNTIL IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GO)- http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=46734

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 02:04 PM

Posted either 7/23 or 7/24 00:
Corinna, Corinna--did not see this on your list, lyrics in DT
Deep River Blues
Follow the Drinking Gourd

Sending you the list of tunes I have via e mail. Thanks for all this work!!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 02:14 PM

Drinking gourd - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=23643&messages=1

Corinna, corrina - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=23639&messages=1

Deep river blues - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=23614&messages=4

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 02:15 PM

TUNES SORCHA HAS

Deep River Blues--posted
Foggy Dew--This is in the DT once, for a diff set of words, same melody
Follow the Drinkin Gourd--posted
Footprints in the Snow
Gentle Annie
Go Tell It on the Mtn
Goin Down the Road, Feelin Bad
Haikvah
He's Got the Whole World
Humors of Whiskey--Kate says what I have is "wrong", but will post anyway
In the Good Old Summertime
Katie Beardie
Kemo Kimo
Kilkelly
Lagan Love
Life's Railway
Lonesome Road
Lonesome Valley
Lookin for that Bully--fiddle tune, but I think it is the right one
Maple Leaf Forever
MacPherson's Lament
My Wild Irish Rose
Nobody Knows the Trouble
Oats, Peas and Barley
Old Dan Tucker
Reuben's Train
Rovin Gambler
Sally Goodin
Salty Dog Blues
San Antonio Rose
Seeing Nellie Home
Shule Aroon
Sidewalks of New York
Sinner Man
Soldier's Joy
Streets of Laredo
Tennessee Waltz
Two Brothers
UnReconstructed Rebel--posted
When Shall I See Jesus (Correct title is Faithful Soldier, Southern Harmony Hymbook # 122)
Worried Man Blues

Several others I might have, if I could be sure they are the right ones:
Fox Went Out—couldn't find it in DT under that title, is the "prayed to the moon to give him light"?
Mary Don't You Weep—is this the same as "Three Links of Chain"?I have that.
Single Girl—which one, and couldn't find it in DT, at least not under that title
Tombigee River—is this also Tombigee Waltz? I have that.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 04:32 PM

14) ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=66622
182) BAD MOON RISING - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7559&messages=1
226) BALLYBAY - on Alan's Midi page

246) THE BANTRY GIRL'S LAMENT (2) - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7762&messages=1
361) THE BLACKSMITH (2)- http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12358#97503?threadid=12358
375) BLOWING IN THE WIND -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7560&messages=1

403) BOLD BENJAMIN - see Alan's Midi page
453) BOTH SIDES THE TWEED - see Alan's Midi page
456) BOTTLE OF WINE -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=14188&messages=1
471) THE BRAMBLE BRIAR - see Alan's midi page
485) BRIAN THE KING - "Brian Boru" - see Alan's Midi page
573) CANDY MAN 2 - see Alan's Midi page
593) CASTLE OF DROMORE - see Alan's midi page

675) COLCANNON (The Skillet Pot) - see alan's midi page
692) COME AND I WILL SING YOU - see alan's midi page
694) COME BY THE HILLS - see alan's midi page
726) CORNISH MAY CAROL - see alan's midi page
729) COULTER'S CANDY - see alan's midi page
734) COUNTRY ROADS - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7562&messages=2

766) CRUEL MOTHER - see alan's midi page
771) THE CUCKOO - see alan's midi page
786) DAHN THE PLUG'OLE- this is out there
797) DANVILLE GIRL (2) - see alan's midi page
820) THE DEAR LITTLE SHAMROCK - see alan's midi page
850) THE DEVIL AND THE FARMER'S WIFE - see alan's midi page
912) DONALD WHAUR'S YER TROOSERS? - see alan's midi page
913) DONALD WHERE'S YOUR TROUSERS - see alan's midi page
921) DOWN BY THE RIVERSIDE - see alan's midi page
1050) FAGAN THE COBBLER - see alan's midi page
1096) FAREWELL TO THE RHONDA - see alan's midi page
1097) FAREWELL TO THE RHONDDA- dupe?
1098) FAREWELL TO WHISKY- see alan's midi page
1144) FIRELOCK STILE - see alan's midi page
1154) THE FISHERMAN'S SONG - see alan's midi page
1188) FOLLOW THE DRINKING GOURD - posted by sorcha 7/24
1206) FORTY SHADES OF GREEN - see alan's midi page
1213) FOUR STRONG WINDS - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12171&messages=13
1256) THE GALWAY RACES -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12284&messages=2

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Mbo
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 04:38 PM

Sorch, about "The Humours of Whisky" there is a difference between the slip jig fiddle tune and the tune for the song of the same name. I have both...

--Matt

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: kendall
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 04:39 PM

I have about 500 songs in my head. An example is one I just posted, titles 21 years. I'm happy to share them anytime.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 04:44 PM

Consider yourself begged, Kendall. Post away!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 05:46 PM

Tune Add: Gentle Annie [GNTLANN
http://www.mudcat.org/cgi-shl/as_web.exe?Command=search&file=fall99&request=%5bGENTLE+ANNIE%5d&MaxHits=1&PickupLines=1&DraPickup=4836665&NumLines=4

T:Gentle Annie
M:4/4
L:1/8
Q:72
K:D
F> E | D2 D2 E2 D>E| F d3-d2 c B | A3 B D D E F | E4 z2 F>E| D2 D2 E2 D> E| F d3-d2 c>B| A2 G F F E D C| D4 z2 A A B e3 d3 B| A4 F2 c d | F3 E D D E F | E4-E2 F>E| D2 D2 E2 D>E| F d3-d2 c B | A2 G F F E D C | D6|

(quarter note=72)

Even though this tune is usually credited to Stephen Foster, it is traditional Irish Air called "Ni Cheicim Nios Thu A Mhuirnin"--I Won't See You Anymore, My Dear. Info from Eugene O'Donnell Slow Airs and Set Dances with Mick Moloney Green Linnet # CSIF 1015.

(did i finally get it all right? and in the right place, etc? i sure hope so)

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 05:49 PM

nope, typo in info section the Ch should be Fh (dammit--i will get this stuff yet........sorry, guys.)

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: IvanB
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 09:20 PM

I have the following:

        ALICE'S RESTAURANT*                   ALL HAIL THE POWER OF JESUS'
        ALL MY LIFE'S A CIRCLE*               ALMA MATER (CORNELL*
        ARTHUR McBRIDE AND THE SERGEANT*      AU CLAIR DE LA LUNE*
        AUTUMN TO MAY*                        *BAD MOON RISING*
        *THE BALLAD OF DAVY CROCKETT*          BE KIND TO YOUR WEB-FOOTED
        BE THOU MY VISION*                    BECAUSE ALL MEN ARE BROTHERS*
        BEGGARS TO GOD*                       BELLE QUI TIENS MA VIE*
        BEN BOLT*                             BILE DEM CABBAGE DOWN*
        *BLOWING IN THE WIND*                  BLUE DIAMOND MINES*
        THE BRAMBLE AND THE ROSE*             CALIFORNIA DREAMIN'*
        CHRISTMAS IN THE TRENCHES*            CIRCLE OF THE SUN*
        CONSTANT LOVERS*                      COTTON FIELDS BACK HOME*
        *COVENTRY CAROL*                       CRAZY*
        CRIPPLE CREEK*                        DARK OLD WATERS*
        DESPERADO*                            DID SHE MENTION MY NAME*
        DIE GEDANKEN SIND FREI*               DON'T THINK TWICE, IT'S ALL
        EDELWEISS*                            THE EDMUND FITZGERALD*
        EL CONDOR PASA*                       EL PRESO NUMERO 9*
        FALL RIVER HOEDOWN (Lizzie            FAREWELL ANGELINA*
        FINLANDIA*                            FRANKLIN THE BRAVE or LADY
        FREIGHT TRAIN*                        FROM A DISTANCE*
        FUNICULI FUNICULA*                    GOOBER PEAS*
        HAND ME DOWN MY WALKIN' CANE*         HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU*
        HE'S GOT THE WHOLE WORLD IN HIS       I KNEW THIS PLACE*
        I'M JUST HERE TO GET MY BABY OUT      IF I WERE A CARPENTER*
        IF YOU MISS ME AT THE BACK OF THE     IMPOSSIBLE DREAM*
        IT WAS A LOVER AND HIS LASS*          JACOB'S LADDER*
        JAMES JAMES MORRISON MORRISON*        THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY*
        JOHNNY STEWART, DROVER*               JULIAN OF NORWICH*
        KILKELLY*                             THE KING OF BALLYHOOLEY*
        LA MARSEILLAISE*                      *LEAVING ON A JET PLANE*
        LEMON TREE*                           *LISTEN TO THE MOCKINGBIRD*
        LO HOW A ROSE E'ER BLOOMING*          LONESOME VALLEY*
        LORD OF THE DANCE*                    MAGIC PENNY*
        ME AND BOBBY MCGEE*                   MONTH OF JANUARY*
        MORNING HAS BROKEN*
  

Will post as quickly as possible.

Subject: Preparing tunes for harvesting
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 04:46 AM

I'm having trouble with the ABC's that have been posted in the last few days. For one thing, it would be better if they did not have chords, since the tunes in the Digital Tradition have only the melody lines. If you have chords, it would be best if you post TWO versions, one with chords and one without. Also, many of the ABC tunes don't seem to work, and I have to play around with them to get them right. In the tune above, I believe the "Q" line should read: Q:1/4=72 - am I correct? [No, I'm not - see below]
If you prepared the tune in another format - MIDI or Noteworthy, for example, it might be better to submit the tune in the original format, rather than risking loss of part of the tune by running it through a converter.
If there is an existing thread on the song, PLEASE put the tune in that thread. Every thread we start makes things that much harder to find around here. There is no need to start a new thread for every tune you post. Why not start a thread and put a hundred tunes in it? - they will be much easier to find, especially if you remember to put the name of the song in the message's "Subject" line. If you can add a link to the lyrics, all the better.
It's a wonderful thing to post tunes - but if they don't work or can't be found, it doesn't do much good.
-Joe Offer, lost-

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 08:28 AM

Sorry Joe. will try to do whatever to make your work easier. FYI - I am trying to spot tunes posted and annotate the list with the addresses of the tunes, so I can send a full list to you when/if you want.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: alison
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 08:47 AM

please check both places.... as some tunes which have not made it into the dt may already be at Mudcat MIDIs waiting to be harvested.......

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 10:27 AM

1276) GENTLE ON MY MIND - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7552&messages=1
1279) GEORDIE - see alan's midi page
1281) GEORGE COLLINS (3) - see alan's midi page
1314) GLASGOW LULLABY - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12742&messages=6
1332) GO TO SEA ONCE MORE - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12554&messages=1
1398) GREEN HILLS OF TYROL-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103929
1433) HALF HITCH - see alan's midi page
1435) HALLELUJAH I'M A BUM - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7578&messages=2
1453) HAPPY TRAILS- http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7554&messages=5
1569) HOME ON THE RANGE -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7633&messages=1
1574) HOMEWARD BOUND - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=66622
1609) HUNTING OF THE WREN -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=109963 (?)
1612) HUSBANDMAN AND SERVINGMANhttp://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103929
1641) I HAD A WEE COCK - see alan's midi page
1665) I SAW THE LIGHT- http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=43460
1947) KILKELLY -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12741&messages=1
1968) KITTY OF COLERAINE - see alan's midi page

1972) KNIFE IN THE WINDOW - see alan's midi page
1994) LADS O' THE FAIR - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7721&messages=1
2014) THE LAMBTON WORM - see alan's midi page
2025) THE LARK IN THE CLEAR AIR - see alan's midi page
2035) THE LAST FAREWELL-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103929
2051) LEAVING ON A JET PLANE - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103937
2099) LISTEN TO THE MOCKINGBIRDhttp://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103929
2150) LONG JOHN MOORE - see alan's midi page
2189) LOVING HANNAH - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=44647
2192) LOWLANDS-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103929
2234) MAID OF THE SWEET BROWN KNOWE - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12115&messages=2
2235) THE MAID of AUSTRALIA - see alan's midi page
2292) MAY MORNING DEW -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103932
2302) THE MEETING OF THE WATERS OF HUDSON & ERIE - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12197&messages=8

2339) MILLER'S WILL - see alan's midi page

2340) THE MILLER'S WILL (2) - as above?

2347) MISS FOGARTY'S CHRISTMAS CAKE -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=14946&messages=1

2350) MIST COVERED MOUNTAINS OF HOME - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7564&messages=1
2352) MO GHILE MEAR - see alan's midi page

2360) MOLLY DURKIN -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7680&messages=1

2377) MOTHER MACHREE - see alan's midi page
2403) MUIRSHEEN DURKIN - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12229&messages=1
2450) McALPINE'S FUSILIERS - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12198&messages=1
2464) NED KELLY'S FAREWELL TO GRETA. -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=47854
2481) THE NEW MOWN HAY - see alan's midi page
2486) NEWRY HIGHWAYMAN - see alan's midi page
2490) NIGHT RIDER'S LAMENT- http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12953&messages=22
2493) THE NIGHTINGALE - see alan's midi page
2509) NOBODY KNOWS THE TROUBLE I'VE SEEN - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=46734
2514) THE NORTHERN LIGHTS OF OLD ABERDEEN - see alan's midi page
2560) OH SHEPHERD, OH SHEPHERD or THE SHEEP ARE IN THE WILDERNESS - see alan's midi page
2577) OLD APPLE TREE - see alan's midi page
2638) ON A MONDAY MORNING - see alan's midi page
2645) ON THE TRAIL OF THE LONESOME PINE (2)- http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12705&messages=1
2704) PADDY LAY BACK -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12545&messages=1
2705) PADDY McGlNTY'S GOAT - see alan's midi page
2718) PAT OF MULLINGAR - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12611&messages=1
2755) PHIL THE FLUTHER'S BALL -see alan's midi page
2792) POISONING PIGEONS IN THE PARK - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7220&messages=8
2865) QUEEN OF ARGYLL - see alan's midi page
2876) THE RABBIT TRAPPERS SONG - see alan's midi page (x2)
2900) REACH OUT AND CATCH THE WIND -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=95711
2913) REEDY RIVER -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7346&messages=1
2958) ROBIN HOOD AND THE PEDLAR - see alan's midi page
2974) THE ROCKS OF BAWN - see alan's midi page
2997) THE ROSE - see alan's midi page
3077) SAVE YOUR MONEY WHILE YOU'RE YOUNG-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103932
3131) SHULE AGRA or JOHNNY HAS GONE FOR A SOLDIER - see alan's midi page
3135) SIDEWALKS OF NEW YORK - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7742&messages=1
3146) SILVER WHISTLE - see alan's midi page
3148) SING, IRISHMAN, SING - see alan's midi page
3214) SOMEWHERE OVER THE RAINBOW- http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7636&messages=1
3254) ST. JAMES INFIRMARY-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=109963
3275) STRANGERS IN MY SOUP -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=106109
3282) STRONG WOMEN RULE US ALL WITH THEIR TEARS-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=109963
3305) SWEEP CHIMNEY SWEEP - see alan's midi page
3313) SWEET NANCY - see alan's midi page
3317) SWEET VIOLETS 2 - see alan's midi page
3372) THANKSGIVING EVE -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7717&messages=1
3406) THEY CALL THE WIND MARIA -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7583&messages=1
3454) THE TINKERMAN'S DAUGHTER - see alan's midi page
3485) TOORALOORALOORA: IRISH LULLABY (2)- http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7580&messages=1
3514) TRY TO REMEMBER - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=106109
3521) THE TUNNEL TIGERS- http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=14189&messages=3
3558) UNRECONSTRUCTED REBEL - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=23638&messages=3
3586) WAIT TILL THE SUN SHINES NELLIE - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7581&messages=1
3606) WARLIKE SEAMEN-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103932
3659) WEE WEAVER - see alan's midi page x2
3670) WERNHER VON BRAUN - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7155&messages=8
3683) WHAT CAN A YOUNG LASSIE-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103932
3696) WHEN A MAN'S IN LOVE - see alan's midi page
3706) WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BOY - see alan's midi page
3734) WHERE THERE'S REST FOR HORSE AND MAN or HOME LADS HOME -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=20281&messages=5
3755) WIDGEGOWEERA JOE -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=106109
3757) WIDOW'S WALK - see alan's midi page
3780) WIND THAT SHAKES THE BARLEY - see alan's midi page
3805) THE WOLFHOUND - see alan's midi page
3809) WOMAN OF LABRADOR-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=109963
3819) WOP-SHE-AD-IT - see alan's midi page
3845) YELLOW BIRD - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=79331
3856) YOU GOTTA HAVE SKIN -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7637&messages=5
3859) YOU'RE NOT A DREAM (UNTIL IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GO)- http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=46734
3868) YOUR CHEATIN' HEART - midi sent in 7/21

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 10:51 AM

3638) We'll meet again -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7737&messages=2

2390) MOVING FATHER'S GRAVE -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7738&messages=2

1750) IF YOU COULD READ MY MIND -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7535&messages=3

25) AGE OF AQUARIUS - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7809&messages=1

38) AIR FALALALO -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7808&messages=2

2375) MORNING HAS BROKEN -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7741&messages=15

213) BALLAD OF THE GREEN BERETS -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7837&messages=1

2861) THE QUEEN BERETS -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7837&messages=1

2057) LEMON TREE - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7857&messages=1

238) THE BANKS OF THE BANN (WILLIE ARCHER ON THE BANKS OF THE BANN)- http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=8948&messages=1

151) AU CLAIRE DE LA LUNE (2) -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=8949&messages=1

179) THE BACKBLOCKS SHEARER- http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=8981&messages=1

137) AS TIME GOES BY -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=8987&messages=1

88) ANCHORS AWEIGH -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=8988&messages=1

3806) WOLVERTON MOUNTAIN -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7634&messages=21

3423) THOSE WERE THE DAYS -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7582&messages=11

774) CULLODEN'S HARVEST -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=9007&messages=6

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 12:13 PM

#2289 Max (to the tune of You've gotta have heart) - midi sent to Alan

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 02:00 PM

midi's sent to alan.

The Animal Fair
Be Thou my Vison
Bird in a gilded Cage
Ballad of Davey Crockett
The Impossible Dream

Subject: Posting ABC Tunes
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jul 00 - 02:56 PM

I had some question about the Q: tempo line in ABC. Here's the official word, from ABC Standard V1.6

Q - tempo; can be used to specify the notes per minute, e.g. if the default note length is an eighth note then Q:120 or Q:C=120 is 120 eighth notes per minute. Similarly Q:C3=40 would be 40 dotted quarter notes per minute. An absolute tempo may also be set, e.g. Q:1/8=120 is also 120 eighth notes per minute, irrespective of the default note length.

• Note that there are no spaces after the Q:.
• The recommended order is: X: T: M: L: K:
• If you use Q: to set the tempo it is best between L: and K:
• Q: is optional, and the only required headings are X:(tune no), T:(title), M:(meter), and K:(key).
• For further information about ABC, consult the ABC Home Page and the Mudcat ABC Tune Guide.

Remember that if you post lyrics or ABC tunes at Mudcat, you need to include <br> line breaks on every line.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 10:19 AM

104) THE ANIMAL FAIR - midi sent 7/25

195) THE BALLAD OF DAVY CROCKETT - sent 7/25

288) BE THOU MY VISION-midi sent 7/25

298) A BEAUTIFUL YOUNG NYMPH GOING TO BED (1731)

299) BEAUTY OF KASHMIR - sent by snuffy to DickG

346) BIRD IN A GUILDED CAGE -midi sent 7/25 - also sent by snuffy to dickG

729) COULTER'S CANDY - see alan's midi page

1147) THE FIRESHIP -posted thread 23672 7/25

1158) FIVE NIGHTS DRUNK (OUR GOODMAN)-sent by snuffy to DickG

1166) FLOWER CAROL -sent by snuffy to DickG

1362) GOOD OLD JEFF -sent by snuffy to DickG

1758) IMPOSSIBLE DREAM- midi sent 7/25

2098) LISH YOUNG BUY-A-BROOM -posted thread 23672 7/25

2289) MAX (to the tune of "You Gotta Have Heart"-)-posted to alan 7/25

2552) OFF TO DUBLIN IN THE GREEN -sent by snuffy to DickG

2817) PRETTY BESSY MILKMAID - sent by snuffy to DickG

3124) THE SHERAT WEAVER -sent by snuffy to DickG

3244) SPANISH LADY (2)- posted thread 23672 7/25

3361) TEDDY BEARS PICNIC - midi sent 7/25

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 10:22 AM

BTW - since Friday 187 tunes have been found or added, bringing the "missing tunes list" down to 3687.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: GUEST,Snuffy
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 06:06 PM

Quite a few of the entries in the DT database don't have tunes because they're not songs - they're monologues or similar non-sung pieces. A quick trawl has revealed the following but there may be more:

ALBLION - ALBERT AND THE LION
ALBLION2 - ALBERT'S RETURN
ALBERTRE - ALBERT'S REUNION
AMPIE2 - AMERICAN PIE--PROGRAM NOTES
BTTLHAST - BATTLE OF 'ASTINGS, THE
BATTHAST - BATTLE OF HASTINGS, THE
WORKHOUS - CHRISTMAS EVE IN THE WORKHOUSE
DECKCARD - DECK OF CARDS
DEEDNTAL - DEED OF ENTAIL
EILAROO.NOT - EILEEN AROON NOTES
ESKNELL - ESKIMO NELL (Amalgamated)
GRNWALE.NOT- GRANNY WALE NOTES
GRNRUSH4 - GREEN GROW THE RUSHES (COMMENTARY):
JUBSOV - JUBILEE SOVEREIGN
LRYGRGN.NOT - LARRY GROGAN NOTES
FYVINOTE - Notes for Bonnie Lass of Fyvio/Peggy of Darby/
SAMSMLLM - SAM, SAM, PICK UP THA MUSKET
XMASPDNG - SAM SMALL'S CHRISTMAS PUDDING
HAPNCEFTAL - THREE HA'PENCE A FOOT

Then there are plenty where the tune are in the DT, but another song or version. For instance yesterday I posted the ABC for The Fireship, but now I find it's also there as [FIRESHI2 The Roving Kind. So one tune kills two blanks. Likewise I sent Dick the tune for Beauty of Kashmir, but it's also in DT as [ROBBERS Come Fill Up Your Glasses, and as [CNDLFRD The Candleford Anthem, and Off to Dublin in the Green is also [JOLLPLO3 The Ploughboy (Warwickshire RHA) and [DUBLNGRN The Merry Ploughboy

And there are 16 variants of Streets of Laredo in the DT with no tune listed - but the tune is already there:
LAREDS11 - THE BAD GIRL'S LAMENT
LAREDST6 - THE BALLAD OF BLOODY THURSDAY
LAREDS14 - THE GIRL IN THE DILGER CASE
LAREDS17 - I ONCE WAS A CARMAN IN THE BIG MOUNTAIN CON
LAREDS18 - THE LINEMAN'S HYMN
LAREDS10 - NOO I'M A YOUNG MAN CUT DOWN IN MY PRIME
LAREDS12 - ONE MORNING IN MAY
LAREDST9 - PILLS OF WHITE MERCURY
LAREDS16 - ST. JAMES HOSPITAL
LAREDS15 - THE STREETS OF LOREDO
LAREDS20 - A SUN VALLEY SONG
LAREDST7 - THE TROOPER CUT DOWN IN HIS PRIME
LAREDST5 - THE UNFORTUNATE RAKE
LAREDS19 - THE WILD LUMBERJACK
LAREDST8 - THE YOUNG SAILOR CUT DOWN IN HIS PRIME
YNGMNPRM - YOUNG SAILOR CUT DOWN IN HIS PRIME

There must be many more, especially parodies, where the tune is already there but not linked to the song in question

Finally, although the tune is originally English, I feel it should be a US 'Catter who posts the tune for [STARSPAN THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER, which will also clear up these two [ANACRON2 ANACREONTIC SONG (2), and [ANCREON TO ANACREON IN HEAVEN

Wassail! V

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 08:53 PM

Thanks snuffy - I hadn't gotton to that phase yet, but will consolidate your findings into the list.

Though a few of those "monologues" have been set to music.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 11:48 PM

As I'm sure you know, of the "Streets of Laredo" relatives (some much earlier members of that large family; strictly, SOL should itself be considered a relatively late variant) that Snuffy mentions, probably only the parodies were sung to the well-known tune.

Malcolm

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 03:09 AM

G'day,
Keep checking the Mudcat MIDI site.

Tunes just added, thanks to MMario:-

The Animal Fair
Ballad of Davy Crockett
Be Thou My Vision
Bird in a Gilded Cage
Impossible Dream
Teddy Bear's Picnic
You've Gotta Have Heart

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 10:45 AM

297) BEAUTIFUL TEAMSTERS - sent midi 7/26

284) BE KIND TO YOUR WEB-FOOTED FRIENDS

467) THE BOYS OF WEXFORD (2)-see boys of wexford

468) THE BOYS OF WEXFORD (3)-see boys of wexford

520) BUFFALO GALS - sent midi 7/26

531) THE BURY NEW LOOM - sent by snuffy to DickG

534) BUTTERCUP JOE -sent by snuffy to DickG

548) CALIFORNIA DREAMIN'-sent midi 7/26

551) CALIFORNIA STEAMIN'-sent midi 7/26

571) THE CANDLEFORD ANTHEM - see the Fireship

696) COME FILL UP YOUR GLASSES - see The Fireship

951) THE DRUMMER BOY -sent midi 7/26

1178) THE FOGGY DEW (6)- see tune for DEWFOG

1304) THE GIRL I LEFT BEHIND ME. - see tune file Brghton

1795) IT CAME UPON THE MIDNIGHT CLEAR - posted by snuffy 7/26

2125) THE LITTLE WHITE DUCK - sent midi 7/26

2169) LORD THOMAS AND FAIR ELENDER or THE BROWN GIRL - see alan's midi page

2316) THE MERRY PLOUGHBOY. - see Off to Dublin in the Green

2331) A MIGHTY FORTRESS IS OUR GOD - sent midi x2 7/26 + snuffy posted 7/26

2679) ORANGES AND LEMONS - posted by snuffy 7/26

2680) ORANGES AND LEMONS 2 - posted by snuffy 7/26

2790) THE PLOUGHBOY (THE WARWICKSHIRE R.H.A.) - see Off to Dublin in the Green

3007) ROSH HASHANA (to the tune of Oklahoma)-midi sent 7/26

3131) SHULE AGRA or JOHNNY HAS GONE FOR A SOLDIER - see alan's midi page

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 04:47 PM

50) ALICE'S RESTAURANT -midi sent 7/27

54) ALL HAIL THE POWER OF JESUS' NAME - midi sent 7/27

106) ANNE BOLEYN -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=7280#43789

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 04:54 PM

392) BLUE-TAIL FLY - midi sent 7/27

395) BLUES IN THE NIGHT - midi sent 7/27

399) BOBBIE SHAFTO - http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=168390

488) BRIDGIT O'MALLEY - midi sent 7/27

786) DAHN THE PLUG'OLE -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12617&messages=6#100405

1793) ISLE OF INNISFREE -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12586&messages=1#100046

2202) LUKEY'S BOAT -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=4774&messages=1

2530) NUTS IN MAY - posted by snuffy 7/26

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 05:04 PM

222 found/posted, etc. If we could keep up this rate, they would all be posted in 6 weeks.

is that dickg I hear screaming in the background?

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 05:31 PM

Question: I have Katie Bairdie ready (i hope, small grimace of embarassment) to post. I have the URL for the Lyr req thread, the URL and file name for the DT. Do you want me to post it here, or in the lyr req thread? (and Joe, therearenospacesinthefieldheadings)

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 08:47 PM

I believe Joe has requested you post in the post tunes here thread, UNLESS there is a thread about it that would be a better place, then you can just put a link there. I will record the posting here and in my list of "found tunes" plus remove it from any copies of "no tune in DT" I send out.

clear as a mudcat?

Subject: Where to Post or Submit Tunes
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 10:52 PM

If the lyrics are in the database already, then it works just grand for you to post ABC or MIDITEXT tunes in the Please post tunes here thread. If it's a MIDI or Noteworthy file, send it on to Alan for Mudcat Midis, with a message in the "post tunes" thread that says you sent it to Alan.
However, if it's a song with lyrics in the Forum, then it behooves us to keep the lyrics and tune together. Please post the tune (or a notice that you sent the tune to Alan) in the same thread where the lyrics appear.
If this works right, Susan and I can kick back and leave the "tunes only" thread to Dick, and we can go merrily along about our business of harvesting lyrics with their related tunes (and then we send the stuff on to Dick and let him do the grunt work). I'm sure Dick won't mind if you make things a little easier for Susan and me. Might even be a bit easier for him.
It's helpful to change the "subject" line of messages to show the title of the song you're posting. If you forget, we'll change it for you when we find the song and harvest it. That makes it a little easier to search the Forum for songs. Thanks.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Snuffy
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 08:56 AM

Seems my posting wasn't clear. For these two it should be - see the Beauty of Kashmir, not the Fireship.

571) THE CANDLEFORD ANTHEM - see the Fireship

696) COME FILL UP YOUR GLASSES - see The Fireship

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 09:11 AM

oops!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 03:22 PM

100) ANGEL GABRIEL - midi sent 7/28

503) BRINGING IN THE SHEAVES - midi sent 7/28

2402) THE MUCKIN'O GEORDIES BYRE-http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=7553&messages=9#45684

2454) NANCY SPAIN - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12585&messages=1#100045

3396) THERE WAS AN OLD PIPER - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=13102&messages=35#107212

3858) A YOU'RE ADORABLE - midi sent 7/28

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 03:36 PM

3723) WHEN THE ICE WORMS NEST AGAIN - midi sent 7/28

2795) POLLY WOLLY DOODLE - midi sent 7/28

3426) THE THOUSAND LEGGED WORM - midi sent 7/28

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 03:45 PM

1924) KATIE BEARDIE - posted by sorcha to thread 23672

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: IvanB
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 04:45 PM

Sent to Alan today:

Witch of the West-Mer-Lands

Found

Click here for lyrics

in the DT

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 11:51 AM

ABC posted 7/29, and I think there is only one mistake, a double line break after the title.

Goin Down the Road: [ GOINDOWN located here http://www.mudcat.org/!!-supersearch99.cfm?MaxHits=1&Command=search&NumLines=4&file=fall99&request=%5BGOING+DOWN+THE+ROAD+FEELING+BAD%5D

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Snuffy
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 02:59 PM

NAOMI WISE Filename [NAOMIWIS DT entry says "note: this one sings to Little Log Cabin. RG"

MARCHING THROUGH ROCHESTER - Filename [COMBSOL2 is sung to Waltzing Matilda (but not the version of Matilda that's in the DT).

Wassail! V

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Mbo
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 03:14 PM

Ok, I'm getting in on this too, Mario sent me the list. There were a whole lot of them that I know. Especially all the country and more pop-related ones. My question is, do we have to make our own MIDIs? For instance, there are a lot of tuneless songs in the DT that I know places on the net where you can get good midis of them. Would linking the song to those midis be illegal or something? Or do we have to make them ourselves? I'll post a list of the ones I have in a little bit.

--Matt

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Mbo
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 04:26 PM

Here are the ones I have:

2) 16TH AVENUE *
19) ADALIDA *
24) AFTER HOURS *
67) ALLSOULS NIGHT *
83) AMIE *
93) AND THE MOON SHONE BRIGHT AND CLEARLY.. *
99) ANGEL BAND *
156) AULD MAN'S MARE'S DEID *
181) BAD LEROY BROWN *
224) BALLINDERRY *
301) BEEP BEEP (Little Nash Rambler) *
319) BESTEST FRIEND *
329) BIG BAD JOHN *
349) BLACK AND WHITE *
357) BLACKBIRD *
383) BLUE HAWAII *
384) BLUE MOON OF KENTUCKY *
422) BONNIE KELLSWATER *
475) BRANDY, LEAVE ME ALONE *
503) BRINGING IN THE SHEAVES *
563) CAMP GRENADA *
622) CHILDREN, GO WHERE I SEND THEE *
659) THE CLIFFS OF DONEEN *
807) THE DARKTOWN STRUTTER' BALL *
818) DEAN CADALAN SAMHACH *
863) DIDN'T HE RAMBLE *
881) DO YOU HEAR WHAT I HEAR *
883) DO YOU LOVE AN APPLE? *
909) DONAL AGUS MORAG *
929) DOWN WHERE THE DRUNKARDS ROLL *
1026) THE ERRANT APPRENTICE *
1059) FAIRYTALE OF NEW YORK *
1086) FAREWEILL TAE WHISKY *
1228) FREEDOM IS LIKE GOLD *
1321) GLENCOE *
1345) GOING TO THE ZOO *
1353) GOOBER PEAS *
1439) HALLS OF MONTEZUMA (Marine's Hymn) *
1468) HATIKVAH *
1499) HELP! *
1505) HERE COMES THE SUN *
1517) HEY GOOD LOOKIN' *
1520) HEY JUDE *
1572) THE HOMESTEAD ON THE FARM *
1578) HONKY TONKIN' *
1632) I CAN'T HELP IT (If I'm Still In Love With You) *
1696) I'LL NEVER GET OUT OF THIS WORLD ALIVE *
1724) I'M SO LONESOME I COULD CRY *
1809) IT'S NOT JUST WHAT YOU'RE BORN WITH *
1828) JAMAICA FAREWELL *
1844) JENNIFER'S RABBIT *
1856) JIMMY NEWMAN *
1928) KAW-LIGA *
1954) KING FAREWEEL *
2064) LET IT BE *
2179) LOUISIANA SATURDAY NIGHT *
2193) LOWLANDS (2) *
2295) MCPHERSON'S LAMENT *
2305) MELVILLE CASTLE *
2391) MOVING FATHER'S GRAVE (2) *
2412) MY CREOLE BELLE *
2525) NOWHERE MAN *
2547) ODE TO JOY (GERMAN) *
2565) OH, BRANDY, LEAVE ME ALONE *
2708) A PAIR OF BROWN EYES *
2731) PEACEFUL EASY FEELING *
2856) PUT ANOTHER LOG ON THE FIRE *
2877) THE RACE IS ON *
3165) SITTING ON THE DOCK OF THE BAY *
3175) SKIP TO MY LOU *
3247) THE SPREE *
3320) SWIMMING SONG *
3331) TAKE HER IN YOUR ARMS *
3397) THERE WERE ROSES *
3415) THIS COWBOY'S HAT *
3551) UNCLE PEN *
3553) UNEASY RIDER *
3557) UNICORNS (GREEN ALLIGATORS) *
3720) WHEN SHE CAM BEN, SHE BOBBED *
3736) WHISKEY, YOU'RE THE DIVIL *
3763) WILD GOOSE (RANZO) *
3781) WIND THAT SHAKES THE CORN *
3799) WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS *
3812) WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN *
3851) YOU AIN'T GOING NOWHERE *
3869) YOUR SONG*

--Matt

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Jul 00 - 04:38 PM

File name: [OLSUMMER location: http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=3019
abc posted 7/30/00

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 30 Jul 00 - 07:50 PM

I've worked through the Oxford Book of Ballads. There are a dozen or so missing tunes in it, all of which seem to owe parentage to definitive collections related to Child, Bronson, Buchan, MSS etc. I'm experimenting with adding lyrics to these MIDIs before posting them and at this point I have to once again applaud the efforts of Dick Greenhaus whom I gather has done this job for all of the 4000 or so tunes in the DT. I'll leave more detailed discussion until some other time, except to report that it's a wee bit tricky for heavily ornamented tunes where (a) you don't know the song and/or (b) the notation doesn't give a clear correlation between the dots and the lyrics.

More of this later, but I can now appreciate why Dick has at various times asked that tune notation be kept as simple as possible.

Regards, John

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Jul 00 - 11:39 PM

http://www.mudcat.org/!!-supersearch99.cfm?MaxHits=1&Command=search&NumLines=4&file=fall99&request=%5BKILKELLY%5D
File Name: [ KILKELY

X: 1
T:KILKELLY
M:6/8
L:1/8
Q:40
K:Em
EEE E>F-G| GE EFG | GGG GF>E |F2 F FDF | E3-E2 G |BG GEG | F6|EE>E EF>G | GGA GFE | F2 F FDF| E6 G| BBB BAG | A2 A AGF | G>GG GAG | F6 |E>EE EFG | G2 G GFE | FFF FGF | E6|]

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 12:50 AM

New words to Kemo Kimo and tune posted 7/30/00.
file name: [ PUDDYWL3

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 09:38 AM

450) THE BOSTON BURGLAR-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

489) BRIGG FAIR-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

749) CRAWDAD-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

1344) GOING TO BOSTON-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

1359) GOOD NIGHT IRENE--posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

1360) GOOD NIGHT IRENE PARODY-tune-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

1584) A HORSE NAMED BILL-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

1843) JENNIE JENKINS-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

1926) KATY CRUEL-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

1948) KILLARNEY--posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

2176) LOST LADY FOUND --posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

2184) LOVE IS TEASING-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

2215) MACNAMARA'S BAND-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

2329) MIDNIGHT SPECIAL-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

2421) MY GOOD OLD MAN-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

2613) OLD MAID SONG -posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

2716) PASTURES OF PLENTY-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

3142) SILVER DAGGER - midi at comtemplator.com

3175) SKIP TO MY LOU -posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

3238) SOURWOOD MOUNTAIN-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

3255) STAGOLEE-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

3353) TALLOW CANDLES or SONG OF A DOOMED MAN-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

3735) WHISKEY BEFORE BREAKFAST - midi sent 7/28

3738) WHISTLE, DAUGHTER, WHISTLE-posted by snuffy 7/29 to thread 266172

3797) THE WITCH OF THE WEST-MER-LANDS - IvanB sent midid 7/28

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 09:41 AM

I just want to say thanks to everyone helping out on this. Another 25 tunes posted over the weekend! That is great!!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 12:25 PM

1133)FILIPINO BABY, file [FILIPBBY abc posted 7/31/00, Sorcha

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 01:26 PM

1468)HATIKVAH, file name [HATIKVA, posted 7/31/00, Sorcha

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 03:52 PM

77) AMELIA EARHART'S LAST FLIGHT-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=70917

190) THE BALLAD OF BILL CLINTON - midi sent 7/31

196) THE BALLAD OF DENNIS CONNER - see Ballad of Davy Crockett

212) THE BALLAD OF THE BOBBIT HILLBILLIES - midi sent 7/31

220) THE BALLAD OF TONYA HARDING - see Ballad of Davy Crockett

307) BEGGARS TO GOD-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=68389

326) THE BEVERLY HILLS PROGRAMMER-midi sent 7/31

393) THE BLUENOSE-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=185416

963) THE DUNDEE CAT-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=72924

1248) FUNICULI FUNICULA -http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=79017

1472) HAUL ON THE BOWLINE (#3)-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=71577

1570) HOME SWEET HOME - midi sent 7/31

1638) I DREAM OF JEANNIE WITH THE LIGHT BROWN HAIR - midi sent 7/31

1702) I'M A LITTLE TEAPOT - midi sent 7/31

2139) THE LONE FISH BALL-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=82825

2542) OAK, ASH, AND THORN-http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=20317

3362) TEN LITTLE INDIANS- midi sent 7/31

3403) THESE ARE MY MOUNTAINS - midi sent 7/31

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 03:59 PM

276 down, 3598 to go!!!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 04:17 PM

1481)HE'S GOT THE WHOLE WORLD IN HIS HANDS
file name: [WHOLWRLD
http://www.mudcat.org/!!-supersearch99.cfm?MaxHits=1&Command=search&NumLines=4&file=fall99&request=%5BHE'S+GOT+THE+WHOLE+WORLD+IN+HIS+HAND%5D

1638)I DREAM OF JEANNIE WITH THE LIGHT BROWN HAIR
http://www.mudcat.org/!!-supersearch99.cfm?MaxHits=1&Command=search&NumLines=4&file=fall99&request=%5BI+DREAM+OF+JEANNIE+WITH+THE+LIGHT+BROWN+HAIR%5D

File name: [JEANBRWN
abc posted 7/31/00 Sorcha

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 03:17 PM

Today's contributions/finds/whatever....(that I know about)

96) ANDROMEDA THE BEAUTIFUL- midi sent 8/1

545) AN CAILIN RUA (THE RED-HEADED GIRL)-midi sent 8/1

546) CAKES AND ALE (CATCH)- midi sent 8/1

1547) HILLS OF CONNEMARA - midi sent 7/31

1783) IONA BOAT SONG -midi sent 8/1

1784) THE IRISH BALLAD (RICKETY TICKETY TIN)- midi sent 8/1

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 03:47 PM

342) BILLY BARLOW - midi sent 8/1

2969) ROCKABYE BABY-midi sent 8/1

12) ABRAHAM'S DAUGHTER - midi sent 8/1

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 04:11 PM

August 2th....

241) BANKS OF THE MOORLOUGH SHORE - see The Foggy Dew

374) BLOW, BLOW THOU WINTER WIND- MIDI SENT 8/2

387) THE BLUE VELVET BAND- see Black Velvet Band

388) BLUE VELVET BAND- see Black Velvet Band

389) BLUE VELVET BAND (2)- see Black Velvet Band

406) BOLD JACK DONOHUE - midi sent 8/1

522) THE BUG CAME BACK - see the Cat Came Back

523) THE BUGS MARCHED DOWN THE AISLE - see Battle hymn of the Republic

553) CALL ME THE WHALE- See Greenland Whale Fisheries

564) THE CAMP SONG (Home on the Range)- see home on the range

595) THE CAT CAME BACK - midi sent 8/2

638) CHRISTOPHER COLUMBO- see CHRISTOFO COLUMBO

809) DAVY CROCKETT [parody]-see Ballad of Davy Crockett

958) DUKE OF ATHOL - midi sent 8/2

959) THE DUKE OF YORK - midi sent 8/2

1535) HIGHLAND FAIRY LULLABY- midi sent 8/2

1698) I'LL TELL MA - midi sent 8/2

1699) I'LL TELL MY MA - midi sent 8/2

1828) JAMAICA FAREWELL - midi sent 8/2

2422) MY HIGH SILK HAT- see Funiculi

2670) ONE TIN SOLDIER - midi sent 8/2

3026) RUDOLPH, THE RED-NOSED REINDEER (with kid's additons) - midi sent 8/2

3534) THE TWELVE BUGS OF CHRISTMAS- MIDI SENT 8/2

3537) THE TWELVE THANKYOU NOTES OF CHRISTMAS- PERFORMERS CHOICE (RECITATION)

3827) THE WORMS CRAWL IN- midi sent 8/2

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 04:25 PM

BTW - 310 found or posted since we started this push which brings the total list down from 3874 to 3564. I am sure more could be eliminated very rapidly IF A FEW MORE PEOPLE MIGHT HELP!

list of "tunes not found in the Digital Tradition" available on request from MMario - pm or e-mail me.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 04:30 PM

854) DEWY DENS OF YARROW-midi sent 8/3

872) THE DIMMING OF THE DAY- midi sent 8/3

874) THE DINNING OF THE DAY (2)-midi sent 8/3

1113) FELTON LONNEN- http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=19365#197425

1262) GATHER UP THE POTS- see Hills of Connamara

1263) GATHERING FLOWERS FOR THE MASTER'S BOUQUET-http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=4729

1278) GENTLEMEN-RANKERS- recited - but can use Whiffenpoof song

1288) GET UP AND BAR THE DOOR- midi sent 8/3

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:29 PM

2144)LONESOME ROAD, Not found in Title Index
http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=9875
file name [ LONSMRD

2147)LONESOME VALLEY, http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=3688
file name [LONEVALY

2157) LOOKING FOR THAT BULLY OF THE TOWN, http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=3703
file name: [BULLYTWN

8/2/00 Sorcha

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 02:45 PM

1220) FOX WENT OUT file [ FOXOUT5
2010) LAGAN LOVE file [ LAGLUV
2448) MY WILD IRISH ROSE file [ 2448
2253) MAPLE LEAF FOREVER file [MAPLFREV
abc's posted 8/4/00 Sorcha

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 03:13 PM

1250) FURRY DAY CAROL- midi sent 8/4

1251) THE FURZE FIELD- mid sent 8/3

1334) GOD HELP YE, HARRIED MANAGERS - see God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen

3170) SIXTEEN TONS- midi sent 8/3

1298) GILDEROY-midi sent 8/4

1299) GILLIE MOR- midi sent 8/4

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Snuffy
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 06:22 PM

407) THE BOLD LIBRARIAN - DT entry says - tune: Trad. Irish: Sullivan's John. I think I remember seeing this in the forum

3425) THOUGHTS ON MINNESOTA'S 1998 ELECTION - DT entry says - No tune supplied, more's the pity. It will work to Mountains of Mourne (or to Gilbert and Sullivan's "Tit-Willow") RG

Wassail! V

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 09:43 PM

G'day,
A few more tunes added. Check out the Mudcat MIDI site.

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 12:47 AM

Has everyone else given up? I only have about 25 left on my list and that still leaves a LOT!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Snuffy
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 07:09 PM

Here's some more with tunes already in the DT database

559) CAM YE BY THE KIRK - see Cam Ye O'er Frae France

560) CAM YE BY THE KIRK (2) - see Cam Ye O'er Frae France

576) A CAPITAL SHIP - see Ten Thousand Miles Away

603) THE CHANDLER'S WIFE (2) - see Lincolnshire Poacher

653) CLEMENTINE (4) - see Clementine

933) THE DRAPES OF ROTH - see John Brown's Body

1387) THE GRATEFUL DEAD'S CONCERT - see Teddy Bear's Picnic (- midi sent 7/25)

1555) THE HIPPIES AND THE BEATNIKS - see The Wraggle-Taggle Gypsies

1678) I WILL NOT BE A NERD - see I won't be a Nun

1847) JERSEYWOCKY - DT note states: Reportedly, this was set to music and sung at New York's Century Club in the 50s or 60s; the tune has been lost. The words, however, like Lewis Carrol's original, sing well to Beethoven's Ode to Joy. Or, for that matter, Deutschland Uber Alles, or Men of Harlech.

2023) LANDLORD'S LULLABY - see Hobo's Lullaby

2100) LITTLE BALL OF YARN (3) - see Little Ball of Yarn

2420) MY GOD HOW THE MONEY ROLLS IN - see My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean

2911) RED WING (3) - see Redwing

3197?)THE SOFTWARE ENGINEER'S SONG - see The Great Wheel

3728) WHEN THIS BLOODY WAR IS OVER (2) - see What a Friend We Have In Jesus 3729) WHEN THIS DREADFUL WAR IS ENDED - see What a Friend We Have In Jesus

3849) YOGI BEAR SONG - see Camptown Races

Wassail! V

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 11:37 AM

8/6/00
[MACPHER2 tune in DT
[LIFERAIL
[SEE JESUS
Sorcha

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 03:55 PM

Added 8/6/00

Dan Tucker, aka Old Dan Tucker 2589
[DANTUCKR, which also clears
[RDCALIF and
[SANPEDRO

Oats, Peas, Beans 2543
[OATSPEAS= [OATSBEAN, tune file is :OATSPEAS, already in DT

[RUBTRAN Reuben's Train 2922

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 04:03 PM

147) AT THE BAR - posted by snuffy 8/5

253) BARNACLE BILL THE SAILOR - posted by snuffy 8/5

525) THE BULLFIGHT ON THE SAN PEDRO- see Old Dan tucker - posted by sorcha 8/6

581) CAPTAIN McKEAN- posted by snuffy 8/5

1377) GPU - posted by snuffy 8/5

1447) HAPPILY ADDICTED TO THE WEB- posted by snuffy 8/5

1466) HAS ANYBODY SEEN J. C.?-posted by snuffy 8/5

1594) HOW MUCH IS THAT HOUND DOG IN THE WINDOW- posted by snuffy 8/5

1600) HUMORESQUE- posted by snuffy 8/5

1601) HUMORESQUE 2-posted by snuffy 8/5

1654) I LOVE A SAUSAGE-posted by snuffy 8/5

1720) I'M LOOKING OVER MY DEAD DOG ROVER-posted by snuffy 8/5

2072) LET UNION BE IN ALL OUR HEARTS-posted by snuffy 8/5

2068) LET ONION BE-posted by snuffy 8/5

2085) LIFE'S RAILWAY TO HEAVEN-posted by sorcha 8/6

2295) MCPHERSON'S LAMENT - see McPherson's Farewell

2296) ME AND BOBBY MCGEE - midi sent by IvanB 8/6

2419) MY GIRL SHE'S AIRY-posted by snuffy on 8/5

2543) OATS AND BEANS AND BARLEY- see oats peas beans

2589) OLD DAN TUCKER -posted by sorcha 8/6

2644) ON THE ROAD TO CALIFORNIA- see Old Dan Tucker posted by sorcha 8/6

2922) REUBEN'S TRAIN - posted by sorcha 8/6

3177) THE SKIPPER OF THE STARS AND STRIPES-posted by snuffy 8/5

3549) UNA'S LOCK- posted by snuffy 8/5

3593) WALKIN' ROUND IN WOMEN'S UNDERWEAR- posted by snuffy 8/5

3719) WHEN SHALL I SEE JESUS- posted by sorcha 8/6

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 04:15 PM

last count - if anyone is interested is 378 added/found/located/posted/whatever

3499 or so to go - until the next version! *grin*

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 05:20 PM

8/7/00 Added:
3020) [ROVINGMB Roving Gambler
3051) [SALGOODN Sally Goodin
3058) [SALTDOG Salty Dog Blues

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 09:18 AM

three thousand four hundred and ninety -SIX!

I have to thank Sorcha and Snuffy and IvanB and those who have asked for the list. AND thanks to Joe Offer and Alan of Oz who have had their workload increased due to this, and Alison as well, because Alan tells me he is sending some of the midi's off to her.

Thanks to everyone and well done! How many do you think we can get before Dick and Susan get back from England????

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 11:41 AM

239) BANKS OF THE DEE- mid sent 8/4

1672) I WANT A ... (various)-posted by snuffy 8/5

three thousand four hundred and ninety -FOUR

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 04:09 PM

76) AMBLETOWN (HOME DEARIE HOME)-http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=8855#105742

93) AND THE MOON SHONE BRIGHT AND CLEARLY..- midi sent 8/8

227) BALULALOW (TRADITIONAL SCOTTISH)-midi sent 7/5

373) BLOW THE WIND WESTERLY- see song of the fishes

402) BOLD BELFAST SHOEMAKER.-see THE BOLD BELFAST SHOEMAKER

1030) ETERNAL FATHER, STRONG TO SAVE (Navy Hymn)-midi sent 8/8

3234) THE SOUND OF MUCUS - to the first line of "The hills are alive"

3235) SOUND OF SILENCE - midi sent 8/8

3476) THE TOMBIGBEE RIVER (GUM TREE CANOE)-midi sent 8/8

3491) THE TRAIL OF THE LONESOME PINE-midi sent 8/8

3547) UIST TRAMPING SONG - midi sent 8/8

3693) WHEEL OF FORTUNE or DUBLIN CITY - see Galway city

1255) GALWAY CITY- midi sent 8/8

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 04:11 PM

three thousand four hundred and EIGHTY-one

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Snuffy
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 08:44 PM

266 BATTLE HYMN OF LT. CALLEY - see Battle Hymn of the Republic - tunefile[JOHNBRWN

2123 LITTLE STAR TREKS - see Little Boxes - tunefile[ LITBOX

2244 MAMA SINGS - see Aura Lee - tunefile[ AURALEE

2319 METRORAIL SONG - see Wreck Of The 97 - tunefile[ WRECK97

2562 OH WHAT A MERRY LAND IS ENGLAND! - will go to The Battle Cry of Freedom, (tunefile[ BATTLCRY), but I don't know if that's the real tune for it.

2648 ON TOP OF OLD SMOKY (4) - see On Top Of Old Smoky - tunefile[ OLDSMOKY

2772 PLACE IN THE FIRE - see A Place in the Choir - tunefile[ PLACHOIR

2851 PUFF THE MAGIC DRAG-ON - see Puff The Magic Dragon - tunefile[ PUFFDRGN

2868 QUEEN OF THE HOUSE - see King Of The Road - tunefile[ KINGROAD

3206 SOLID FAS' - see Shenandoah - tunefile[ SHENDOAH

3245 SPECIAL FORCES SONG - see The Green Berets/Queen Berets - tune posted in forum Thread 7837

3417 THIS LAND AIN'T YOUR LAND - see This Land Is Your Land - tunefile[ THISLAND

Wassail! V

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 11:25 AM

Snuffy was also busy posting tunes to the forum....

364) THE BLAYDON RACES - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 8/8

2211) MA SHEELA -posted by snuffy to thread 23672 8/8

same tune as

3486) TOPMAN AND AFTERGUARD - see Ma Sheela - tune posted to thread 23672

2476) NEVER WEATHER-BEATEN SAILE - tune posted by snuffy to threas 23672 8/8

2685) THE OTHER CHRISTMAS SONG - snuffy posted to thread 23672 8/8

same tune as

601) CENSORSHIP- see The Other Christmas song, tune posted to thread 23672

2898) RATTLING FORD - tune posted by snuffy to threas 23672 8/8

IvanB has been busy too! will post those asap

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:03 PM

2043) [ LAVCOWBY Lavender Cowby
3066) [ SANANTON San Antonio Rose
3098) [ NELLIEHOME Seeing Nellie Home
and 3132)Shule Aroon is in DT as
[ SHULARUN1

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 03:29 PM

55) ALL MY LIFE'S A CIRCLE - IVANB sent 8/8

69) ALMA MATER (CORNELL)-IvanB sent 8/8

310) BELLE QUI TIENS MA VIE - IvanB sent 8/8

1419) THE GUM TREE CANOE- see kilbigbee River

1303) THE GIRL I LEFT BEHIND - sent 8/9

1379) GRANDMA GOT RUN OVER BY A REINDEER - sent midi 8/9

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 03:37 PM

the number to go is now three-three-five-two

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 05:12 PM

The "Single Girl" that I have is in the DT as [SNGLGRL2 but [SNGLGRL is the one without a tune. I don't know if it is the same tune or not, couldn't tell from the words.

tune for [SINERMN3 and [SINERMN is at [SINERMN2

2500)NO HIDING PLACE [NOHIDE posted

The tune I have for Soldier's Joy is the fiddle tune/reel. The vocals that I have on LP don't really have a melody, they are chanted talkin' style and inserted between the instrumental breaks.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 05:42 PM

3308) SWEET EVALINA file [EVALINA

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Snuffy
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:00 PM

445 BORIS, BORIS - DT Database says Tune is (more or less) Hatikvah, freely rendered - file name [HATIKVA, posted 7/31/00, Sorcha

741 COW KICKED NELLY - see Turkey in the Straw - tunefile[ TURKSTRW

1021 EPPIE MARLY - see Elsie Marley - tunefile[ ELSMARLY

1088 FAREWELL FAREWELL - see Willie O' Winsbury - tunefile[ WILLIWIN

1389? GREAT GREEN GOBS - to the tune of The Old Gray Mare She Ain't What She Used to Be WHICH ISN'T IN THE DT!! Will check the Forum and post tune if it's not there.

2126 LITTLE WILLIE - DT Database says Sings, more or less, to Turkey in the Straw - tunefile[ TURKSTRW

2404 MULBERRY BUSH - see 2530) NUTS IN MAY - posted by snuffy 7/26

2686 THE OTHER DAY I MET A BEAR - see Sipping Cider - tunefile[ SIPCIDER

3178 SKUNK HOLE - DT Database says tune: Turkey in the Straw - tunefile[ TURKSTRW, but as kids we sang it to Dixie's Land tunefile[ DIXIELND, (and it was a woodpecker - no skunks in England)

3382 THERE ARE NO FLIES ON US - see God Save the King, - tunefile[ GODSAVE

3392 THERE WAS A WEE BIT MOUSIKIE - see Green Grow the Rashes, O - tunefile[ GRRASH

3839 YE CANNA SHOVE YER GRANNY - see Comin' Round the Mountain - tunefile[ COMRND2

Wassail! V

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Snuffy
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:07 PM

The Old Gray Mare is at http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=3347, but there's no tune there. I'll post it in the next few days Wassail! V

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 11:00 AM

3366)TENNESSEE WALTZ, [ TENWALTZ
3820)WORRIED MAN BLUES [WORRDMAN
I have no idea which Two Brothers is not supposed to have a tune; all the ones in the title index had tunes. The one I have is Two Brothers (Civil War) and it's already there.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 11:07 AM

that would be two brothers that has no tune

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 11:10 AM

OK, I DON'T have that one,the title index wouldn't take me there either. When I clicked on it, I got TwoBrothers4.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 11:34 AM

that's okay - because the tunefile is [ROLLSTON

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 11:57 AM

only 3.336 x 10^3 to go!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 03:48 PM

MIDI sites sent to MMario for
(Little) Footprints in the Snow
Go Tell it On the Mountain
Sidewalks of New York
Somewhere Over the Rainbow

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 03:56 PM

86) ANACREONTIC SONG (2)- midi sent 8/10

1508) HERE WE COME A WASSAILING - midi sent 8/10

1780) INTO THE AIR - midi sent 8/10

1781) INTO THE AIR, JUNIOR BIRDMEN -midi sent 8/10

1934) KELLSWATER - sent midi 8/10

1877) JOHN PATERSON'S MARE- SENT MIDI 8/10

1961) KING OF THE FAERIES - midi sent 8/10

2074) LET'S ALL SING LIKE THE BIRDIES SING - midi sent 8/10

3260) THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER- midi sent 8/10

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 04:00 PM

3327 : 3327: 3327:

okay, so I'm obsessing...at least it's in a good cause.

HEY MBO! HAVEN'T SEEN ANY FROM YOU YET!!!!!???!!!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 09:12 PM

Hi MMario,

I'm working...but this sure is hard work!

I sent #2607 Old Kentucky Home to Alan Aug/10/00. BTW, the full name is My Old Kentucky Home, Good Night! but that would probably never be used in a search. However, My Old Kentucky Home might be used.

Also I sent Jean Ritchie's version of Bachelor's Hall to Alan. There are two versions already in the DT, BUT THIS APPEARS TO BE A DIFFERENT VARIANT, so I also posted the words that go with this tune in Joe's thread. I hope this isn't too confusing. I'll try to do something simple next. (Like Barbara Allen with it's umpteen jillion variants!)

Mary

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 02:59 PM

1389) GREAT GREEN GOBS- posted by snuffy to thread 23672 8/10

2047) THE LEA RIG - midi sent 8/11

2108) THE LITTLE DRUMMER BOY - midi sent 8/11

2162) LORD LOVEL - midi sent 8/11

2166) LORD NELSON - midi sent 8/1ll

2207) LUMBERJACK'S PRAYER - midi sent 8/10

2252) MANYURA, MANYAH!- see Alan's midi site

2274) MARY HAD A LITTLE CLONE - midi sent 8/11

3431) THREE DUKES (2)-posted by snuffy to thread 23672 8/10

3439) THREE LOVELY LASSES- posted by snuffy to thread 23672 8/10

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 03:01 PM

tree-tree-siggsteen!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Snuffy
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 07:48 PM

138 THE ASCAP SONG - see Micky Mouse (Engineers) - tunefile[MICKYMS

154 AULD LANG SYNE 4 - see Auld Lang Syne - tunefile[ AULDLANG

155 AULD MAN TAE THE OAK TREE - see Buy Broom Besoms - tunefile[ BROOMBES

163 THE AUTUMNAL RECRUDESCENCE OF THE AMATORY URGE - looks like it almost certainly should be John Peel - tunefile[ JOHNPEEL

188 BALD HEADED END OF A BROOM -see Bald Headed End Of The Broom - tunefile[ BALDBRM2

248 BARBARA ALLEN (5) - take your pick! see

1. Barbara Allen - tunefiles [BARBALEN, [BARBALEN.1, [BARBALEN.2, [BARBALEN.3
2. Barbara Allen (2) - tunefile [BARBALN2
3. Barbara Ellen (3) - tunefile [BARBALN3
4. Bawbee Allan (4) - tunefile [BARBALN4

269 BATTLE OF BANNOCKBURN - see Battle of New Orleans - tunefile[ BATNEWOR

271 THE BATTLE OF CAMP KOOKAMONGA - see Battle of New Orleans - tunefile[ BATNEWOR

339 THE BILLBOARD (2) - see The Billboard - tunefile [BILLBORD

340 THE BILLBOARD SONG (3) - see The Billboard - tunefile [BILLBORD

412 BOLD PRIVATEER - see High Germany - tunefile[ WARGRMN2, and The Bold Privateer (2) - tunefile[ BLDPRIV2

Wassail! V

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 10:32 PM

343) BILLY BOY [BILLYBOY is at [BLLY2
458) BOUND FOR GLORY has a tune clicker
804) DARK ISLAND 2 just has to be the Gaelic for DARK ISLE, [DARKISLE........(doesn't it? The syllables scan) Do we get a part 2 in 3 more posts?

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 11:12 PM

DARK ISLAND 2 is the original song; DARK ISLAND is somebody else's go at writing words for the tune, filename DARKISLE, which belongs to both.  Gaelic words may be found through the forum; they are a translation from the original English given in DARK ISLAND 2.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 01:11 AM

347) BIRD IN THE CAGE has an html location, but it is not a clickie.
379) BLUE HAIRS IN MY LANE,midi for Blues Eyes Cryin in the Rain, which is tune for 382) Blue Hairs Drivin in My Lane is here: http://www.homestead.com/becitr/

695)COME FEED THE BLACK SOW
1650) I KNOW YOU RIDER--tune posted but I can't acess a file. It is in the title index, then says, sorry. I tried super search, too.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 01:06 PM

89) ANCHORS AWEIGH filename[ ANCHRAWA midi sent to Alan 8/12/00

2600) Old Folks at Home filename[ OLDFOLK midi sent to Alan 8/12/00

I've stayed away from some of the more difficult-to-trace melodies because I'm not sure how accurate my version is. So far I've only done simple ones that I can find at Levy or have sheet music for.

MMario, how much should we document our sources? I found more info on the words to Anchors Aweigh but would have to verify sources in order to post anything.

Snuffy, I'm anxious to hear all your versions of Barbara Allen. I'll bet you a cybersomethingorother that my favorite version isn't there!

Mary

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 01:51 PM

1724) I'M SO LONESOME I COULD CRY
1737) IDA RED
3030) RYE WHISKEY2 is at [RYEWHIXK
3203) SOLDIERS JOY
3204) could be the same tune as above?
3600) WALTZ ACROSS TEXAS, this also gets a tune for [FALSTAX
3717) WHEN MY BLUE MOON TURNS TO GOLD
Check thread #23614 for tune to DEEP RIVER BLUES

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 01:59 PM

Whoops, Ida Red is 1738)

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Snuffy
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 02:26 PM

347) THE BIRD IN THE CAGE (My bird is learning how to fly) - doesn't have a tune in the Fall99 download, but Bird in A Cage (As I walked out..) does.

424 BONNIE LIGHT HORSEMAN (3) - see The Bonny Light Horseman - tunefile[ BONLGHT

432 BONNY BLACK HARE (2) - see Bonnie Black Hare - tunefile[ BLACKHAR

451 BOSTON CITY - see 450 THE BOSTON BURGLAR, tune posted to thread 23672

460 BOUNTY HUNTER, THE - DT says "tune is a slight variant on [BUFFSKN2" (The Buffalo Skinners)

469 BRACKAGH HILL - goes well to Spancil Hill - tunefile[ SPNLHL (if you add the word "more" to the last line of last verse!

482 BREAKFAST CAPERS - see 2638 ON A MONDAY MORNING - midi at Alan's Mudcat Midi page

498 BRING BACK MY JOHNNY TO ME - see My Bonnie Lies over the Ocean - tunefile[ MYBONNIE

568 CAN YOU SEW CUSHIONS - see Can Ye Sew Cushions? - tunefile[ SEWCUSHN

575 CAPE COD GIRLS - see South Australia - tunefile[ SOAUSTRL

583 CAPTAIN WITH HIS WHISKERS - see THE Captain with His Whiskers - tunefile[ CAPTWHSK


Wassail! V

PS Barbara, those are all in the DT - they're not my Barabara Allen tunes.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 03:35 PM

813 The Day is Past and Gone sent to Alan 8/12/00 tune from Something to Sing About! as sung by Jean Ritchie filename[ DAYGONE

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 09:10 PM

holy cow! I will update the "no tune" and the "found tune" lists tomorrow.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 15 Aug 00 - 10:18 AM

130) ARTHUR McBRIDE AND THE SERGEANT - nwc sent by IvanB 8/11

243) BANKS OF THE ROSES - tune posted by snuffy 8/11 alt tunefile [bankros2,bankros4,[bankros5

244) BANKS OF THE ROSES (3)-tune posted 8/11 by snuffy - see Banks of the Roses

263) THE BATCHELOR'S DELIGHT - tune posted by snuffy 8/11 to thread 23672

302) BEETLES - tune posted by snuffy to thread 23672 8/11

562) CAMERONIAN CAT - two tunes posted by snuffy 8/12 to thread 23672

614) CHESTER CITY tune posted by snuffy to thread 23672 8/12

834) DEEP RIVER BLUES - posted by sorcha to thread 23614

860) DID SHE MENTION MY NAME nwc sent by IvanB 8/11

2218) MADAM I'M A DARLIN'- tune posted by snuffy to thread 23672 8/12

3402) THERE'S NO SEDER LIKE OUR SEDER- midi sent 8/10

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 17 Aug 00 - 06:26 AM

G'day,
A few more tunes added in the range G-L. Check out the Mudcat MIDI site.

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 26 Aug 00 - 09:39 PM

G'day,
A few more tunes added in the range M-S. You can find them at the Mudcat MIDI site.

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 28 Aug 00 - 08:26 AM

G'day again,
A few more tunes added, this time in the range T-Z. You can find them at the Mudcat MIDI site.

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 05:34 AM

G'day,
Here's a list of tunes added in the last few days. You can find them at the Mudcat MIDI site.

All My Life's A Circle, By Harry Chapin
Alma Mater (Cornell)
Amelia Earhart
Anacreontic Song
Anchors Aweigh
And The Moon Was Shining Clear
Bachelor's Hall
Beer, Beer, Beer (Charlie Mopps)
Blow, Blow Thou Winter Wind
The Cat Came Back (version 1)
The Cat Came Back (version 2)
Charlie Mopps
Cotton Mill Girls
The Day Is Past And Gone as sung by Jean Ritchie
Death Of Queen Jane
The Dimming Of The Day
Doxology
Duke Of Athol
Duw, It's Hard (Max Boyce)
Eternal Father Strong To Save
Furry Day Carol

Galway City / Wheel Of Fortune / Dublin City
Gramm Got Run Over By A Reindeer
Here We Come A Wassailing
Hills Of Connamara
Home Sweet Home
I'm A Little Teapot
Into The Air; Into The Air Junior Birdman
It Had To Be Hugh
It's Tragic
John Paterson's Mare
Kellswater
King Of The Fairies
Let's All Sing Like The Birdies Sing
Lord Lovel
Lord Nelson
Re: Highland Fairy Lullabye
The Girl I Left Behind Me
The Lea Rig
The Little Drummer Boy
The Lumberjack Prayer (Tune: Doxology)

Mary Had A Little Clone
Morning Has Broken
Anchors Aweigh
Old Folks At Home
Old Kentucky Home
One Tin Soldier
Rockabye Baby
Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer
See Amid The Winter's Snow
Sidewalk Of New York
Sixteen Tons
The Sound Of Silence
The Star Spangled Banner

Ten Little Indians
There's No Seder Like Our Seder
These Are My Mountains
The Trail Of The Lonesome Pine
Tombigbee River (Gum Tree Canoe)
Twelve Days Of Christmas
Uist Tramping Song
The Worms Crawl In
Yorkshire Couple

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:20 AM

Alan - Thank YOU!!!!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 09 Sep 00 - 04:52 AM

G'day,
Here's a list of tunes added today. You can find them at the Mudcat MIDI site.

A Cat Catch
A Catch On Cats - Michael Wise - 1685
A Caveat For Cutpurses / Packington's Pound
Albatross By Malvina Reynolds (Main Tune)
Albatross By Malvina Reynolds (Last Verse)
All Among The Barley
All Used Up By U. Utah Phillips
Are You Lonesome Tonight?
Asleep At The Switch - 1897 (A Train Song)
Bachgen Bach O Dincar
Celia Learning On The Spinnet – John Isum - 1685
Dead Dog Scrumpy
Down And Out
Edelwiess
Friggin' In The Riggin'
Cruel Ship's Captain, The
Gruel
Roast Beef Of Old England
Barley Straw
The Knight And The Shepherd's Daughter
As I Roved Out (Planxty Version)
Fionnghuala

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 09 Sep 00 - 04:58 AM

Some of the latest list of tunes were submitted by Malcolm Douglas. His notes follow. He has also embedded lyrics in the MIDI files. Whether you can view them depends on your software.

Cruel_Ships_Captain.mid belongs to THE CRUEL SHIP'S CAPTAIN filename[ ANDRROS3 DT text transcribed from a recording by A.L. Lloyd. I don't know which of the several variant tunes found in tradition Lloyd used, so have made a midi of the particularly fine one collected by Vaughan Williams from James Carter of King's Lynn, Norfolk in 1905. The song is also known as "The Captain's Apprentice".

Gruel.mid belongs to GRUEL filename[ GRUELL No source is named, but it seems to be a derivative of Jimmy MacBeath's version. Though the tune specified is "The Lincolnshire Poacher", it's not the familiar version, so I thought it best to make a separate midi; this is taken from the transcription of Jimmy MacBeath's singing in Ailie Munro's "The Folk Music Revival in Scotland".

Roast_Beef.mid belongs to ROAST BEEF OF OLD ENGLAND filename[ ROASTBF The tune is a close relative of HARD TIMES OF OLD ENGLAND; it's different enough, though, to deserve a midi of its own, so I've made one from the set given in "The New National Song Book" (Boosey & Hawkes, 1957)

Barley_Straw.mid belongs to BARLEY STRAW filename[ BARLSTRW DT text transcribed from Martin Carthy's recording. He learnt the song from the version recorded by Peter Kennedy from Harry Cox of Catfield in Norfolk, in 1953, though the words have got changed a bit somewhere along the way. Midi from the transcription in Kennedy's "Folk Songs of Britain & Ireland".

Knight_And_Shepherds_Daughter.mid belongs to THE KNIGHT AND THE SHEPHERD'S DAUGHTER (5) filename[ SHEPDAU5 The version published by Cecil Sharp in "100 English Folk Songs" (1916). Tune collected by Sharp from John Swain of Donyatt, Somerset, in 1904.

As_I_Roved_Out.mid belongs to AS I ROVED OUT filename[ ASIROVED Planxty version; they learnt it from Paddy Tunney, but seem to have made changes in the melody as noted in Tunney's book, "The Stone Fiddle". I've made a midi from that, modified to reflect the changes made by Planxty.

Fionnghuala.mid belongs to FIONNGHUALA filename[ FINNONGU  Recorded by the School of Scottish Studies from the singing of Calum Johnston (of Barra?).  Midi made from the transcription given in the notes to "Music from the Western Isles" (Tangent Records TNGM 110, 1971: re-issued on Greentrax CDTRAX 9002).  The notation is difficult, involving bars apparantly in 13/16, 14/16, 15/16 and 16/16.  I'm not convinced that it sounds a lot like the recorded version, but present it as given.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 10 Sep 00 - 09:29 AM

Some more:

Give Me Three Grains Of Corn, Mother
Gospel Ship / Old Gospel Ship
Great Tom Is Cast A Catch By Matthew Wise – 1667
Grey Hawk (A Variant)
Ha' We To The Other World Anonymous
Haste To The Ferry A Catch By John Jenkins - 1652
Help Me Make It Thru The Yard / Help Me Make It Thru The Night
Here Dwells A Pretty Maid William Cranford, 1652
Here We Come A Wassailing
Hold To God's Unchanging Hand
I Was Born
I Wonder When I Shall Be Married
Lassie Gathering Nuts/A-Gathering Nuts
Let Her Sleep Under The Bar

Mama, Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Cowboys
Mr. Tambourine Man
My Lady And Her Mayd William Ellis – 1652

Old Molly Hare
The Old Spinning Wheel
On The Good Ship Enterprise

Right Said Fred
Rise And Shine
Riu Riu
Robin Adair / Old Robin Adair
Room Full Of Roses

Saints Of God
Scotch And Soda
Shanagolden
Sing Rickety Tickety Tin (The Irish Ballad)
Smokey The Bear
Sodden Clods Are Comin' To Town
Some Say The Devil's Dead
Sound The Pibroch
Sutter's Mill
Sweet Kingwilliamstown Derived From Tif Sent By Noreen

That's all until after the Olympics.

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Genie
Date: 04 Dec 01 - 09:20 PM

Alan, are you looking for melodies or, by "tunes," do you mean "songs?"

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Genie
Date: 04 Dec 01 - 09:37 PM

Computer SNAFU (at least, I can blame it on the computer).

NEVER MIND,

Genie

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: MMario
Date: 04 Dec 01 - 09:43 PM

Genie answered in a PM - but should anyone else be interested in working on the "Great Tune Search" - "we" are concentrating on finding postable melodies for the entries in the Digital Tradition currently lacking tunes. The list started at about 3800 tunes, is down to a hair over 2000. current postings are at part seven

the up-to-date list is available by e-mailing [e-mail] or sending a PM with an e-mail address to MMario.

prefered format is currently Songwright or NoteWorthy Composer; midi, abc, solfa or scanned copies acceptable.

for more imfo PM MMario

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Snuffy
Date: 11 Mar 02 - 07:52 PM

From: MMario Date: 27-Jul-00 - 04:54 PM 1793) ISLE OF INNISFREE -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12586&messages=1#100046

Actually John in Brisbane posted another copy of Nancy Spain, which he had posted in thread 12585, so Isle of Innisfree is still misssing. I'll try and do it from memory during the next week, if I don't find it somewhere else

WassaiL! V

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 05:00 AM

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing tunes wanted:
From: Snuffy
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 04:57 PM

Thanks for reminding me, Guest. If I haven't already posted it elsewhere, here it is (from memory, not any particular recording):

X: 115
T:Isle of Innisfree
M:4/4
L:1/4
Q:120
K:E
|:zB,EF|
G3 E |B,G, B,E|D C3- |CF   FE|
D3 C |B,B, CA,|G,4-   |G,B, EF|
G G3|GG   FE |A C3- |CF   FE|
D3 B,|A,B, DF |E4    :|zE   ED|
C3 D |FE   DC |E B,3-|B,E DE|
F3 F |FC   DE |D4-    |DB, EF|
G3 G |GG   FE |A C3- |CF   FE|
D3 B,|A,B, DF |E4    ||

WassaiL! V

(PS - auto linebreaks make posting ABCS a lot easier)