Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: Jim Lad Date: 28 Jul 07 - 12:28 PM Oor Wullie, Daphne & Big Hen. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: John MacKenzie Date: 28 Jul 07 - 04:57 AM Matt McGinn, Edwin Morgan, Eduardo Paolozzi. One for luck, Jack Vettriano. Giok |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: Betsy Date: 27 Jul 07 - 03:25 PM Dick Gaughan, Iain McGillivray and Rab C.Nesbitt |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: gnu Date: 26 Jul 07 - 05:18 PM Oh, I know he was born in Canada, but he was born to Scots immigrants... so, it's YOUR fault! |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: gnu Date: 26 Jul 07 - 05:16 PM Now, who could not love a fellah tha was a dog fancier. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: Megan L Date: 26 Jul 07 - 01:47 PM Maw Broon she did long suffering wife before marge simpson was even a storyboard. Matt Maginn and El Fideldo the only twa legged horse tae hiv her ain staue |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: greg stephens Date: 26 Jul 07 - 11:10 AM Leaving aside judgements of "greatness" etc, the bloke I was very fond of, and was sorriest to miss, was guitarist Peerie Willie Johnston. burl: thanks for remembering Alex Campbell, surprised nobody's mentioned him before. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: goatfell Date: 26 Jul 07 - 11:04 AM And the most funny comedian is Gordon Brown jings Crivens help ma boab |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: RoyH (Burl) Date: 26 Jul 07 - 10:07 AM I have met many Scotsmen over the years, great fellas all. None more so than Alex Campbell. The funniest comedian in the world, ever, was a Scotsman - Chic Murray. The funniest newspaper cartoon ever was Scottish - Loaby Dosser. The most Spring-heeled Jack of a footballer I ever saw was a Scotsman - Dennis Law. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: greg stephens Date: 26 Jul 07 - 09:48 AM Another McColl classic, unaccountably missing from the wikipedia article, is his timeless "Ballad of Jo Stalin". |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: goatfell Date: 26 Jul 07 - 09:34 AM as a Scot, there is one thing I don't lke and that is his stand on the 'union' I want Scotland to be free and he doesn't however that is up to him. Anyway what has this got to do with Three greatest Scottish cultural figures, George Galloway is an arsehole but as i said we are all arseholes sometimes. I just don't want to argue with you |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: goatfell Date: 26 Jul 07 - 09:29 AM that's all right I just like him and you don't anyway let's agree to disagree. ok I agree he can be an arsehole but so can we all sometimes Here's a thiEwan MacColl From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Ewan MacColl (25 January 1915 - 22 October 1989) was a British folk singer, songwriter, socialist, actor, poet, playwright, and record producer. He was the father of Kirsty MacColl.
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Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: John MacKenzie Date: 26 Jul 07 - 09:25 AM Suspended from the House of Commons for 18 days for lying. George only deals in the truth when it suits him. I'm sorrry Tom but as a Scot, I'm ashamed of him and his posturing. Giok |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: goatfell Date: 26 Jul 07 - 09:05 AM I just Like George Galloway because he is not afriad to tell the truth and there are quiate a number of people don't like hearing the truth. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: Fudged Date: 26 Jul 07 - 08:59 AM My first post on Mudcat! (so be gentle with me) Too many to choose from 'cos I'd want Hamish Henderson, Sorley MacLean, Norman McCaig and countless others in there. So my votes go to... Martyn Bennet, Martyn Bennett's pipes, Martyn Bennett's fiddle xx |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Jul 07 - 07:56 AM Damn! Ariel beat me to it! Well, with the first two anyway. Everyone knows that Ronald McDonald isn't realy Scottish - unless you mean the Lord in Lizie Linsey. My third vote would have gone to Taggart. No-one can say 'There's bin a murrrrder' they way he does:-) Cheers Dave |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: GUEST,Ariel Date: 26 Jul 07 - 07:41 AM If it's cultural icons we're after, my vote is definitely for Rab C Nesbitt, wee Jimmie Krankie and Ronald McDonald. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: greg stephens Date: 26 Jul 07 - 07:34 AM Actually, McColl was English and Scottish. perfectly possible to be both. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: John MacKenzie Date: 26 Jul 07 - 07:31 AM Well Tom I never thought I'd hear the word culture coupled with the name of that wee publicity seeking nyaff George Galloway! G |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 26 Jul 07 - 07:02 AM Absolutely, Penguin Egg. Greg - I reckon it's the 'where you were brought up' bit that's important, but everyone will believe what they want to. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: greg stephens Date: 26 Jul 07 - 06:53 AM Well, Brendan Behan may have said that, but the Duke of Wellington said that being born in a kennel doesn't prove you are a dog. I reckon Ewan McColl was Scottish, just as as his fellow Mancunian, Lloyd George, was Welsh. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: goatfell Date: 26 Jul 07 - 06:46 AM The Corries, Alex Salmond and George Galloway the last two are great because they are not afraid to speak their minds, and stop picking on Philip, the poor guy. Tom |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: Folk Form # 1 Date: 26 Jul 07 - 05:53 AM Dick Gaughan, Iain Banks and my dad. By the way, Brendan Behan said, "If you're born in England and grow up in England, you're English." -Borstal Boy. So MacColl is English ...not that it really matters. He would be a great figure in our music whatever his ethnicity. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 26 Jul 07 - 03:35 AM Fair enough, Jim. He was of my earliest influences - I still have my Shuttle and Cage, and Come all You Bold Sportsman LPs, plus some of the Ballad ones. I just don't see him as a Scot in the way that most of those put forward in this thread are. But if others do, especially Scots, then so be it. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: GUEST Date: 26 Jul 07 - 03:10 AM Terry, No, MacColl never lived in Scotland, he was born three months after his parents moved to Salford. Both his parents (mother from Perthshire, father from Falkirk) were singers and it was this that influenced his early interest in singing. (Quote from D G Bridson's book on the BBC 'Prospero and Ariel): "MacColl had been out busking for pennies by the Manchester theatres and cinemas. The songs he sang were unusual, Scots songs, Gaelic songs he had learned from his mother, border ballads and folk songs......" That was in 1931. MacColl's influences were Scots, and looking down the list of his songs, both self-composed and researched from the tradition, I find it hard to name any revival singer who has done more to introduce audiences to the Scottish repertoire in its entirety. Jim Carroll |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: maeve Date: 25 Jul 07 - 09:50 PM Effsee- Fair enough, Dave would indeed laugh at the thought. However, his life in Scotland and his writing and singing about the land, his deep understanding of the way a drystone wall must work with the landscape and the physics of that landscape, and his generosity of spirit (not to mention of his enjoyment of the "water of life") have become firmly entrenched in my experience of all that I love about the places and people of Scotland. I've never minded giving my friends a reason to laugh, anyroad! maeve ;) |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: Big Al Whittle Date: 25 Jul 07 - 09:43 PM I thought this was about recent people. If it wasn't, I'd like to nominate Robert Louis Stevenson. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: Effsee Date: 25 Jul 07 - 09:36 PM Maeve, much as I admire his songs, dykes, and singing...Dave Goulder? Scots? Puhhhleeese! Even he would laugh at that. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: GUEST,meself Date: 25 Jul 07 - 09:03 PM Gotta admit - he was one helluva James Bond, though! |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: Teribus Date: 25 Jul 07 - 08:22 PM Right, the thread is about the three greatest Scottish cultural figures: Without doubt the greatest is Robert Burns - a giant Second is Sir Walter Scot Problem comes with the third: James Hogg - "The Ettrick Shepard" Roy Williamsom and/or Ronnie Brown But - Please - Please - Shir Shean Fuckin' Connery - Hells teeth what the fuck has he ever had to do with Scottish culture? Absolutely sweet damn all - sulked for years for a knighthood from a country he purportedly wishes to distance himself from. Lives in tax exile abroad while he spouts about things that will result in things that he, or any of his family, will never have to live under - the guy, as a Scot, is a complete and utter tosser. Get real. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: Cllr Date: 25 Jul 07 - 07:53 PM Earlier somone pointed out in an earlier post that Gibson is a scottish name (it is in origin)My last name is Gibson which is a sept of the Clan Buchanan, of lot of the english Gibson family followed the fishing down the east coast of england, my grandparents were scottish i still have cousins who run a hotel in Inverness I am proud of my scottish heritage, interestingly enough asian and black ethnic minorities who identify with the culture and have lived in scotland for a couple of generations are known as new scots (its a non perjorative title) its difficult to define a culture as one thing becuase a culture is made up of diifferent strands and so means different things to different people. however i would make one observation that while many people claim with pride their scottish ancestry and how they are half scottish I have never heard of a scottish person proudly proclaiming to be half english. cllr |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 25 Jul 07 - 07:25 PM Jim Carroll - no argument about that, especially about the ballads! It just seems to me that some people choose to identify with their parents' nationality rather than the one they've been born into and grown up with. My father was a sixth generation Newfoundlander but because he settled in England, married here and my brother and I were born here, we simply don't feel as if we're Newfoundlanders, let alone Canadian. Been there five times, but still feel totally English. MacColl's best known work, though, still seems to be his 'English' material which, as you say, is probably to be expected. By the way, did he ever live in Scotland? |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: katlaughing Date: 25 Jul 07 - 07:21 PM Thanks to Mickey in another thread, I am reminded of Craig Ferguson! |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: maeve Date: 25 Jul 07 - 06:43 PM For personal impact: Lizzie Higgins, Jeannie Robertson, Sheila Stewart, Jack Ramsay of Pittenweem and daughter Pat, Archie, Ray, & Cilla Fisher, Ella & Eddie Macgeachy and son Kirk, Flora MacNeil, Dave Goulder, Lily & Charlie of Rosehall, Tony Cuffe, Morag on Skye, John Renbourn, Norman Kennedy, the members of Stravaig... Just a few of my favorite Scots musicians and friends for the nomination. I refuse to limit it to three! ;-] maeve |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: GUEST,Jim Carroll Date: 25 Jul 07 - 02:28 PM Belated reply to Terry McDonald; MacColl was born and brought up in Salford, which makes it fairly logical that he sould write about what he knows best. Having said which, a number of the Travellers songs were based on his interviews of Scots Travellers, and one of his best songs was, in my opinion, 'The Tenant Farmer' which was entirely Scots in subject and feeling. Jim Carroll PS He also did more than any singer I know to popularise the Scots ballads, putting 127 of them back into the repertoire. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: GUEST,McTavish Date: 25 Jul 07 - 01:59 PM Macdonalds burgers, kilts & the British Government. Q. Who invented copper wire? A. Two jocks arguing over a ha'penny. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: GUEST Date: 25 Jul 07 - 01:58 PM Ewan MacColl was born James (Jimmie) Henry Miller in Salford, Lancashire in England, to Scottish parents, William and Betsy Miller Gibson is a Scottish name and he beat the English at Stirling and what about Oor Wullie Scotland's favourite son? :-) |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: GUEST,Chris Murray Date: 25 Jul 07 - 01:18 PM The Krankies |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures, From: GUEST Date: 25 Jul 07 - 01:07 PM Och jings crivens help ma boab, ah'm ferr keichin' masel wi pleesure, at bein' nummert alang wi they Proclaimers so ah am. People says that listenin' tae them is jist like listenin' tae me, an' they canny unnerstaun a word they say either. Ah'm no sayin' that ah'm wan o' the greatest Scots o' a' times like, but ah'm the greatest Glaswegian since Chic Murray [may he rest in peace] Ta fur that pal, an' if ye's want tae come roond fur a mealie pudden and a deep fried Mars bar, ah'm sure Mary doll will spend some o' ma bru money doon the chipper, an' mebbes we kin hae a wee drappie o' Buckie tae wash it doon wi tae. Ta ta the noo. Yer pal Rab C. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: GUEST,Puck Date: 25 Jul 07 - 12:57 PM I think special consideration should be given to Rab C Nesbitt Pee |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: Emma B Date: 25 Jul 07 - 11:01 AM Giok!!!! and Ian Rankin gets my vote |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: John MacKenzie Date: 25 Jul 07 - 10:56 AM Tony Blair |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: Mr Happy Date: 25 Jul 07 - 10:53 AM Alastair Sim, Fyfe Robertson, Rory Bremner |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: Emma B Date: 25 Jul 07 - 10:50 AM any one mentioned Charles Rennie Mackintosh yet? |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: John MacKenzie Date: 25 Jul 07 - 10:49 AM Papa Smurf gnu.? |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: gnu Date: 25 Jul 07 - 10:45 AM What about that there fellah with the blue face? Um... Mel sommat? |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: katlaughing Date: 25 Jul 07 - 10:44 AM Way back up there it did mention of the 20th century otherwise RLS would've been one of the first I'd posted. |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: John MacKenzie Date: 25 Jul 07 - 10:44 AM What about the short arsed Australian hypocrite? |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: redsnapper Date: 25 Jul 07 - 10:44 AM Indeed Greg... he did defeat the English at Bannockburn after all... (;>) |
Subject: RE: Three greatest Scottish cultural figures From: Greg B Date: 25 Jul 07 - 10:39 AM What about Mel Gibson? :-) |
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