BS: It's time Bernie

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: ragdall
Date: 09 Jun 16 - 01:13 AM

I'm with gnu! Feel the Bern!
Too bad we can't vote, eh, gnu?

The US election system would benefit from a strong purge. Something needs to be done about all the voting irregularities that have been reported.

Hang in there, Bernie! You know what's right.   Do it.

rags

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 11:36 PM

Bernie is a really nice guy, with pie-in-the-sky ideals. He'd never get any of them accomplished with the House and the Senate as they are today. Hillary will kick some balls and get the job done.

Ake, you need to exhale, inhale, and take a step back from American politics. If, after nearly 3 decades in political life, the likes of Richard Scaife and Kenneth Starr haven't toppled the Clinton machine, (look them up if you don't know who I'm talking about), we're looking at a world where Trump is going to recycle old trash. He has nothing useful, nothing new.

Hopefully most Americans are smarter than Donald Trump, and see him for what he is. And if you're not sure about what has happened to Hillary over the years (why she has had to work 3x as hard as any man to reach this point), read this.

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: toadfrog
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 08:21 PM

The short answer is this.

I voted for Bernie. I was impressed most of all by his promise that he would "never be a spoiler." If he goes on attacking Hilary at this point he is a spoiler, and I have no more respect for him. Trump is very real. Trump can sure as hell get elected, and if the Republicans run somebody else, that person will likely be worse than Trump. You think nobody disagrees with you because you don't associate with people people who disagree with you. There are a whole lot of right wing nuts, and there are a lot more people who identify themselves as like Trump, and don't care who he insults.

If Bernie goes on sabotaging the left, he is responsible for the consequences--just as Ralph Nader will always be remembered as the lovely guy who brought us the war in Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 08:00 PM

What? Trump? Trump doesn't even enter the equation as far as being president. Trump will never be president. Trump was only ever a ruse to attempt to get Clinton elected so that Bernie would not get elected. It was *their* only hope and the part of "their" that is the Repugnant Party sacrificed their party's reputation on it. Smoke and mirrors. Bullshit extraordinaire. Bait and switch.

Feel the Bern! All the way to the convention AND even if it has to be a write in vote in the election. All the way... or you deserve to be Trumped or sHillaryed.

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 07:40 PM

gnu, win with Trump? I don't see it,    I pray you meant Bern. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 06:17 PM

NEVER SURRENDER! All the way to the convention! Feel the Bern!

Unpledged MEANS Unpledged. Don't *let* the bastards win. Make them win... or loose. What's the difference? If she wins, she wins. If she doesn't win, the US, and the World, wins.

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 05:32 PM

Amos,I agree,should also be a right to vote, not a prize to be won. I think most of the "fixed" stuff concerns super delegates which are a flawed fail safe so the dems don't end up with their own trumpfire, and no, I'm not comparing Bernie to Trump, just that in the party's he's only been on board for a year. I'd love to see her offer the veep to Eliz Warren, though my room mate says two women would be pushing things too far. He also thinks Bern should keep going to keep Hil from drifting to the center. I pray you guys are right. ake's a brit, surprising, Mike

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 02:20 PM

Hil would be wise to add Bernie to her ticket. Whether he would consider the job or not is, of course, another question. There are serious questions about the legitimacy of the voting process in various states, and it is possible a sweeping reform of voting processes is needed.

Anyway, if the outcome of the DNC convention is that Bernie is not nominated but Hillary is, I will vote for Hilary in the general, even though under protest.

It would be nice if the process were MUCH more transparent than it is.

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 01:22 PM

Greg F Don't you believe California WAS the line?

Nope. Take it to the limit, one more time. However more he might influence Hillary's stated positions right up the the bitter end, more power to him.

The country needs it.

(Ake's in the UK & singularly uninformed about the reality of the situation over here in "the colonies".)

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 12:50 PM

Greg F Don't you believe California WAS the line? ake, I take it you don't live here, in the USA. Still you WILL rue the day if Trumpsterfire is elected. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 11:56 AM

Ake, please tell me you're just taking the piss, yes? You seem to be getting more irrational by the day.

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 11:27 AM

Mrs Clinton's record on foreign affairs is indeed DIRE, from Iraq to Libya, to Syria, but to those obsessed by minority rights she also opposed homosexual "marriage" until 2013 when her eyes became fixed on the presidency.........does that not make her a "homophobic bigot" like most of you presume me to be?
Or is it all right if you're a hypocrite and a Democrat?

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 11:21 AM

Jaysus, Ake - see the above post. And educate yourself about political - not to say fundamental - reality.

It could signal a real change in US politics

Yup, putting the Trumpshit in the White House WOULD be a real change - for the worse.

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 11:17 AM

We are in DIRE need of Bernie throwing his support behind the party, if he loses the nomination. "

Hi, Mrrzy - agreed to a point - BUT don't put all the onus on Bernie himself . He SHOULD fight the good fight right up to the wire.

However, if the last-ditch, diehard, "Clinton will get my vote when they pry it from my cold, dead hands" Sandersnistas are not smart enough and practical enough at the end of the day to vote for Clinton (and I am not and have never been a fan of Hillary OR her husband) to prevent that piece of Trumpshit from gaining the presidency then it will be THEIR fault - not Bernie's - for reprising the 2000 election and the Naderoids who handed the presidency to George Dumbya Bush.

I'm still in hopes that H. L. Mencken was wrong, but there are plenty of current indicators that he was right on the money:

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 11:14 AM

If Bernie is swindled out of the nomination by the Party, he should stand as an independent.

He has a strong following in the country from people OF PRINCIPLE.
It could signal a real change in US politics to have a genuine alternative to corporate capitalism.

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 11:10 AM

AMEN,mrrzy and Greg F, if that blow hard were elected, I'd need to dig a deep hole, and I'm somewhat claustrophobic. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 10:33 AM

.why do you reckon Mr Trump is a "monster"?

Ake, its long past time you got over your Trump-worship and your unt=reasoning & pathological hatred of Clinton. Its boring if nothing else. Educate yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 10:21 AM

We are in DIRE need of Bernie throwing his support behind the party, if he loses the nomination. Dire need. Dire, dire need.

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 09:38 AM

I don't know what happened to my post, so if this appears twice, that's why.
He want's to build a wall between Mexico and the US( to keep the horde out I guess. Allow So Korea and Japan to have nukes so they can "defend" then selves, and ban Arabic people from entering the country until we "know what's going on" Listen to this man, and can you really tell me Hilary is more frightening? I keep waiting to hear that Canada is building a wall to keep us out. Mike
ps, don't get me started on his opinions on women.

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 08:52 AM

I have been following the speeches of the presidential candidates carefully and I think Mrs Clinton is more hawkish on foreign affairs than even Mr Trump.....his views on immigration etc were obviously to consolidate his core vote a common political tactic......why do you reckon Mr Trump is a "monster"? He has advocated building bridges between world powers......he is not a leftover from the "Cold War" like most establishment politicians.

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 08:27 AM

akenaton: I'm not the hugest Hil fan, and I agree it is the worlds concern, but dear lord, Trump is a monster, and we have but two choices and Bernie has no path. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: It's time Bernie
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 07:58 AM

A real socialist(as opposed to a "liberal") never gives up.
Mrs Clinton is the voice of the corrupt, organised political establishment and must ALWAYS be opposed.

Her record in foreign affairs is much more frightening than any of Mr Trumps rhetoric......she is the last thing your country needs.

None of my business?......US foreign affairs are very much OUR business.

Subject: BS: It's time Bernie
From: mkebenn
Date: 08 Jun 16 - 07:43 AM

I am at least as far left as most, even went to SDS meetings back in the day until they started planing to assail a police station! And I thank Mr. Sanders for energizing a vast number of mainly younger citizens to the political process, but the game is up. You have forced Ms. Clinton farther to the left than I would have thought possible, and good job! And I understood not quitting before California and their mass of delegates, but you lost by 400,00 votes. It's time to heal the wounds. We can not have that porcine bigot have any chance of becoming president! WE need you, Bernie, the party needs you, the Country needs you. Please, do the only right thing. Mike