Folk artists who are pagan

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 01 Jan 16 - 08:27 AM

Interesting comments from over the years. I was thinking that if you think of it the right way, the hymn This is My Father's World has a very animistic point of view. As someone who chose a different path than the fundamentalist one that I was brought up in, I find this is still a stirring song.

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Jan 16 - 04:03 AM

Thanks, folks. I'm pretty sure the melody for "Heretic Heart" is Forest Green. The tune is known in the U.S., but not widely.
Now, I just have to gt a copy of those "Bandersnatch" lyrics from Sadie. She says it's a filk song.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Dec 15 - 05:34 AM

[quote]
Frankly, I don't give a whoopty-doo whether someone is Baptist, atheist, Zoroastrian or a devotee of Taoism. Can they play? Can they sing?
[/quote]
+1

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 31 Dec 15 - 05:13 AM

I have the dots for a tune used for "O Little Town" in Cornwall.
It says "Words Bishop P. Brooks", "Melody from Sandy's Christmas Carols 1833".
Got this from a Folk South West weekend led by Eddie Upton in 1998.
It doesn't give a name for the tune though.

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Dec 15 - 05:01 AM

So Paganism has space goats???

Why didn't I know this?

The other cults only have churches, mosques and guilt. Where do I sign up? Do I have to pretend to believe in nonsense?

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 31 Dec 15 - 04:56 AM

Forest Green is Vaughan Williams' arrangement of The Ploughboy's dream, and is by far the most common tune for this hymn not only in Scotland, but in England and most of the Commonwealth.

H. Walford Davies wrote two tunes for this hymn, Wengen and Christmas Carol, neither of which I know.

Most information here is from Wikipedia, although I did know where Forest Green came from (Vaughan Williams collected it in a village of than name in Surrey, which, paradoxically, is not the home of Forest Green Rovers who come from Gloucestershire).

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Megan L
Date: 31 Dec 15 - 04:41 AM

Joe I only know of three tunes for little town of Bethlehem,
St Louis (which seems to be used in America) Forest green (The one we use in Scotland) and a tune I have never used called wengen

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Dec 15 - 04:04 AM

Sadie Damascus sang a funny song tonight called "Bandersnatch" about you-know-what. The tune was very familiar, and Sadie said it was the tune for "Heretic Heart," which in turn was an older tune. It was very familiar to me, but now I'm not sure if I have the right tune in my head. I'm thinking it is one of the alternate tunes for "O Little Town of Bethlehem."
So, what's the tune?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: matt milton
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 06:14 AM

I'm not pagan at all. But I've been enjoying playing a lot of animal-centred nonsense songs/childrens' songs recently, imagining them to be animist satires on organist religion, or synthesizing recognition of our animal nature [as it were]. Songs like Buckeye Jim and Wish I was A Mole In the Gound and Raccoon and Possum.

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Lady Mondegreen
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 05:51 AM

A copy of a post my partner Corwen made to another forum answering the same question:

British:
Well you know Damh the Bard...http://www.paganmusic.co.uk/
The Dolmen: http://www.thedolmen.com/band.htm (lovely folk who host great camps)
Druidspear http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=88047252 (Don't know if these guys are still going)
Dragonsfly: http://www.dragonsfly.org/ (Celtic/eastern folk with the odd pagan song. Nice)
Spacegoats: http://www.pondlifestudios.com/artist_information.asp?id=1 (Not going any more but luckily their fantastic music is still available from Pondlife)
Jabberwocky: Andy Letcher's project with Krismael of Spacegoats. No website and the band only made one album, called Mimir, buy it if you see it! Funky Pagan music with hammer dulcimer and bagpipes.
Andy is still active, currently in a project with my partner Kate's brother Colin and his wife Jane, called Telling the Bees http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=136179322 Don't know how 'Out' pagan it is but I'm sure they are worth watching.
Heathens All who were an out Pagan band became Seize the Day (more political, but worth listening to.)http://www.seizetheday.org/ (I'm hoping they will re-release the Heathens All stuff as none of my old tapes work!)
Silver on the Tree: http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/sott/ (the first Pagan music I heard. Eye of the Aeon and Mystic Spiral are classic Pagan albums)
Paul Mitchell:http://www.myspace.com/pagansatire http://paul.makingithappen.co.uk/ (wonderful satirical songs about Paganism from a really great bloke.)
Paul is in a new band Mad Magdelin http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=275337903
Paul Newman but his website seems to be down.
Last but definitely not least, the wonderful Carolyn Hillier and her partner Nigel Shaw. http://www.seventhwavemusic.co.uk/ (they play apart and together, beautiful shamanic pagan music, and run a really nice festival every other year at their home on Dartmoor)

And of course if you are desperate theres always Kate and I...
We play as a duo called Rigantona:
http://www.rigantona.co.uk
but Kate also has a CD of her own called Kate Fletcher, Fruit which received good reviews in Pagan Dawn, Sacred Hoop, TDN and the folk press: http://www.katefletcher.co.uk

A lot of North European music has really Pagan or Shamanic elements, try

Scandinavian/Finnish:
Gjallahorn:http://www.gjallarhorn.com/main.html (fantastic Swedish 'New Folk' band)
Garmana:http://www.noside.com/Catalog/CatalogArtist_01.asp?Action=Get&Artist_ID=14 (driving moody Hurdy Gurdy, big percussion with lovely female vocals)
Hedningarna: http://www.noside.com/hedningarnabio.html (techno with joiking, singing and lots of ancient instruments)
Korpiklaani: http://www.korpiklaani.com/ (Finnish Pagan Heavy Metal)

Germanic:
Schelmish:http://www.schelmishuk.co.uk/ (Bagpipes and big drums)
Omnia: http://www.omnia-neocelt.com/ (Dutch I think? Upbeat pagan music)
Faun http://www.faune.de/web2007/index.html (have heard of these guys but haven't heard their stuff yet)

Saami:
Wimme Saari: http://www.noside.com/bio_wimme.html (Joiking [shamanic singing] with a really dark voice and beautiful jazz folk accompaniment)
Marie Boine: http://www.mariboine.no/ (most famous joik artist)
Ulla Pirrtijarrvi (my favourite but I can't find a web presence.)

Russian:
have just discovered Ivan Kupala, they are like a Russian version of Enigma, slightly dated Euro-techno with Slavic folk instruments and old Karelian (Russian Finnish) ladies singing, which sounds kind of Saami/Native American. Completely wonderful, and oddly compelling. Just found some videos on You Tube and I like the band even more now. Great to see pop videos full of old ladies.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=E_0j_38Tda0 (beautiful)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GnqWC9T-T1c (moving)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aa49gyJZYb4 (funny)

Plus USAnia
Reclaiming http://www.reclaiming.org/ (Political Feminist Paganism, 4 chant CDs to date)
There are a lot of Usanian artists I don't really know judging by this CD: http://www.amazon.com/Best-Pagan-Song/dp/B0001RZGC4
and lots more producing music that might be categorised by some as Pagan, like Jennifer Berezan http://www.edgeofwonder.com/biography.html and some who are definitely Pagan but whether what they produce counts as music...http://www.neopagan.net/ (Isaac Bonewitz)

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 05:51 PM

There's that also! Shouldn't have forgotten that - I've even got it bookmarked: Folkinfo abc converter.

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 04:25 PM

Sheesh, I said how to deal with ABCs right on my homepage.

Use the converter at folkinfo.org. Paste ABC into the appropriate box. Press button. Get a score displayed and click on it to play it as MIDI. You don't need anything but a browser on your own machine.

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 03:12 PM

Wish I knew how to read those ABC's.

If you're using a Mac, download BarFly - you won't regret it. I don't know about PC software, as I use Noteworthy on the PC for historical reasons - although I can recommend Bryan Creer's ABC/Noteworthy/ABC conversion program.

At a pinch I should think you could sight-read ABC - "c2e c2e|ecA A2A|" to take a couple of bars at random, means
C crotchet E quaver C crotchet E quaver
E quaver C quaver low-A quaver low-A crotchet low-A quaver
('low A' meaning the A below the C, not the one above the E)

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Rog Peek
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 02:58 PM

Jackson Browne self confessed.

So please forgive me if I seem
To take a tone of judgement
For I've no wish to come between
this day and your enjoyment
In this life of hardship and of earthly toil
We have need for anything that frees us
So I bid you pleasure
And I bid you cheer
From a heathen and a pagan
On the side of the rebel Jesus.

(final verse of 'The Rebel Jesus')

Rog

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 12:16 PM

How intriguing. Similar themes of receiving songs from the spirits seem to occur worldover. Yet in most cultures where I've heard of similar stuff, such songs are usually pragmatic and purposive. And I believe usually given, so that the 'shaman/healer' can then call on the aid of said spirit in his work. Wish I knew how to read those ABC's. Anyway they're in 'The Shetland Folk Book' too, so I know where to look.

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 12:05 PM

I am the only Jack Campin in the world, so googling for me is pretty straightforward.

My site: http://www.campin.me.uk

The Shetland fairy tunes: http://www.campin.me.uk/Music/ShetlandFairyTunes.abc

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Bearheart
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 10:25 AM

Jack, will you send a link? I would like to see them.

(Of course they probably ONLY do this if you go out into the woods and play for days!!!)

Bekki

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 09:02 PM

One of my Norwegian Hardanger fiddle cds says that the old fiddlers used to go out in the woods and play for days till the wood spirits came to them and gave them a new tune.

Same in Shetland. I have a few Shetland tunes on my website that were said to have been composed by the fairies.

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Bearheart
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 08:36 PM

Sorry to have missed this thread the first time around.

Have been singing since I was two, and almost all of it "folk",never as a job though I like to think of myself as an artist.

On a spiritual search since a young teen, I discovered Wicca and Paganism in 1982 (I'm 54 now, so...). There are as one person said, many different kinds, I consider myself the "live in the woods, talk with the spirits, grow my own food and medicine, study metaphysics, do rituals from time to time" kind of witch...Not New-Agey, not white-light airy fairy, BUT I still take the spirit world seriously.

I have to say I've seen some (pagan/metaphysics/spirituality) bashing here from time to time that didn't please me much, and some pretty cool folks have stopped posting to threads like this because they got tired of it. I think some of the nay sayers do it to piss people off and kill these threads. (This is aimed of course at some of the older posts)

Frankly my opinion is if you don't care for this kind of topic, go away. Some of us like to hang out together and get to know others of like mind, compare notes etc. I love folk music esp Celtic/Nordic (PARTLY) because there is a lot of the Old Religion to be found in it.

One of my Norwegian Hardanger fiddle cds says that the old fiddlers used to go out in the woods and play for days till the wood spirits came to them and gave them a new tune. Makes sense to me.

Don't suppose Wuzzle is around, but just want to say I liked that piece the Swan, and if you are around, did you write it?

OH yeah and Heathen with a capital H is a term used by a lot of people in the Norse tradition to describe their brand of (Neo)Paganism

Bekki

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Anne Lister
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 08:53 AM

The interesting thing about my experience is that I DIDN'T put myself forward under any tag. It was supposed to be an event for people by invitation only and the journalist in question faked an identity for himself - but there were no tags or labels and I certainly didn't lay claim to any. This particular journo was interested in being paid for writing his piece and accuracy (and "the public interest") had nothing to do with it. His piece of rubbish put my job at risk and also put the people whose farm it was at risk (he published their address and phone number) as well as an RAF officer who was present whose personal information he published.
According to his article, the event was some kind of drug and sex orgy with a parody of the Mass involved - if it was any of that kind of thing I certainly didn't see it or participate in it.

You can tell that some years later it still rankles, more than a bit!

Anne

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: silverfish
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 08:33 AM

If we put ourselves forward under ANY tag we invite comment or criticism.
My advice?
Any press reporter is less interested in your opinions and beliefs. They wish to write something catchy that THEY will be remembered for...
Just like songwriters, really.
I get some interesting reactions when filling in forms... booking in hospital they can't understand whether I want them to call a priest, pour whiskey (yes, I prefer Irish) or bury me under the grass verge beyond the parking lot if the operation goes wrong!!!
As if it would make any difference to me...
I shall write songs and perform to the end - beyond that will be interesting (or not).
Blessed Be.

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Anne Lister
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 06:23 PM

Cats, I think it's a bit late to go for the discrimination issue now. I did try the Press Complaints Commission, though, on the grounds of being photographed without my consent, being misquoted and being totally misrepresented. They were useless. They said it was the journalist's word against mine - which wasn't totally correct, as there were many witnesses present at the event - and they weren't prepared to pursue it.
It's a long story. Did give me a great line to use in promo, though - "Anne Lister, a chubby witch, performed cosmic love songs and a comedy routine".   Not sure which was the most inaccurate part of that!

Anne

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 01:50 PM

Although a total materialist, I have a deeply entrenched fascination in all aspects of Western Spirituality, which must include the Wyrder aspects of folklore, witchcraft & paganism, so-called.

Just uploaded this today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw7FUAsiVyc, which is typical of the genre, being two interleaved songs based on the incantations of Isobel Gowdie (by Robert Graves & Raymond Greenoaken) but YouTube won't let me add the notes just yet...

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: GUEST,Cats
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 01:40 PM

Tabster, you may have a very good discrimination case as we now are encompassed by the Equalities Act, beliefs section. [Unless that is your job description said anything about witches should not apply!!!]

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 01:09 PM

Is it worth pointing out that Druids almost certainly had nothing to do with building or using Stonehenge?

No, I thought not

L in C

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 12:48 PM

Is anyone attending the Druid folk festival at Stonehenge next Thursday? Frankly, I don't give a whoopty-doo whether someone is Baptist, atheist, Zoroastrian or a devotee of Taoism. Can they play? Can they sing? As for myself, I am a closet neo-agnostic still suffering religious influences. I try not to let that get in the way of a good time.

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Gervase
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 12:39 PM

I'm quite happy to be an atheist. Wicca puzzles me - it seems as man-made as Scientology, given that Gardner appears to have invented the whole caboodle. A lot nice in its tenets than Scientology, I hasten to add...

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 12:05 PM

It seems to me that many pagans have very healthy attitudes towards religion- rejecting dogma while recognising the human need for spiritual belief and ritual.

Personally though, I'm happy to describe myself as a born-again agnostic. Brought up a Christian, 'til I saw the darkness.

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: GUEST,Ian
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:45 AM

Pagan is a well used and abused term. Looking at the OED, the definition includes "not believing in the mainstream creed." Whether this means believing in something else or not is not adequately explained. Another definition (not the same one) mentions pre-existing (before Christianity) beliefs.

Working on the first interpretation, I do get up in clubs and have in the past made a living out of playing folk music so hit the first criteria.

I do not have an imaginary friend, so I suppose I could be classed as pagan in that sense.

So, count me in?

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Anne Lister
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:23 AM

Should I add here that I was once "outed" by the News of the World as a witch? Not that I am one, mind. The argument went something like "well, a lot of people in the audience were witches so she must have been one", as I recall. Which is an interesting take on audience/performer relationships. I'm off to sing to a local gardening club tonight, so that makes me a gardener (it's a fair cop) and before Christmas it was the Farmswomen's Guild (and no, I don't have a farm).
It was annoying, however, as the result of this article I lost a job working in a Catholic school - not that the headteacher would own up to that as a reason, mind you, but it was an odd coincidence to say the least.
Ho, hum.

Anne

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Anne Lister
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:17 AM

Happy to use the term pagan ... don't identify with any particular grouping of pagans, though. Don't have gods, goddesses, altars or any of that stuff but do find plenty of invisible friends to chat with, especially when I'm walking in the woods or on the hills.
Oh, and one of my visible friends has a lot of family traditional material in her keeping and teaches some of it to some of us. You can hear about some of it in my songs.

Anne

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:21 AM

I have never considered myself a "Folk artist" ("artiste" ?), just someone who sang folk songs at one time, enjoyed every minute of it, drank a fair bit of ale and sometimes got paid for such activities.

I also danced Morris (before my knees gave out).

I am an initiated Alexandrian Wiccan of 37 years standing, or profession, if you will. I am a pagan (or a Pagan)and proud to be so.

One aspect of the Pagan Ways (there are many) is one that few other faiths seem to work to, or adhere to :

"Live ; and let live".

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Kaleea
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 04:35 PM

Evidently, I'm "heathen" &/or "pagan" according to the definition as announced by certain fundamental "Christians" I've known. the definition being anyone who does not attend their church--I'm not making this up. Some refer to others who go to a quite similar church as "almost christians."

I prefer to think of myself as a either member of Reverand Leroy's (Flip Wilson) "The Church Of What's Happenin' Now!" or The Church Of NOB (None Of The Above).

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Wuzzle
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 02:24 PM

not a folk artist just love to sing

            The Swan

When I was a child I danced to the moon and sang to the moon and called to the moon
I cried to the spirit in the air to lift me up and keep me there for I was free and I was wild
And I was the ugly duckling
When I was a child I danced on the earth and sang to the earth and called to the earth
I cried to the spirit of the land to keep me safe to hold my hand for I was free and I was wild
And I was the ugly duckling
When I was a child I danced through fire flames a burning higher and higher for I was free and I was wild
And I was the ugly duckling
When I was a child I danced in the waves and sang to the waves and called to the waves
I laughed with the spirit in the waterfall and my wounds were healed one and all
For I was the ugly duckling

Now I am grown I dance with the moon sing to the moon and call to the moon
I laugh with the spirit in the air for she caught me up and kept me there and I am free as bird on wing
But not the ugly duckling
Now I am grown I dance with the earth and sing to the earth and call to the earth
For the spirit of the land held my hand to help me grow and help me know that I am free
But not the ugly duckling
Now I am grown I dance with the fire flames a burning higher and higher for I am free a child of fire
But not the ugly duckling
Now I am grown I dance with the waves sing to the waves and call to the waves
And I laugh with the spirit in the waterfall and our laughter echoes, becomes a roar
For not the ugly duckling

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 02:03 PM

im not pagan, im thick.

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: CapriUni
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 01:56 PM

Well, I call myself Neo-Pagan precisely because I wish to separate myself from the white-light-and-crystal-set (as my father calls them)

Many of those white-lighters wish to claim that their faith is:

1. Handed down in an unbroken line stretching back 30,000 years,


2. and that the ancient Pagans never did anything really bad, but have just been misrepresented by history.

I devoloped my own faith, based on my liberal Quaker upbringing, my own readings of mythlogy, and my own observations and reasoning. So my faith is definitely "Neo-". It's also definitely "Pagan," because I did borrow from all those readings from Pagan mythologies at least the precedent of polytheistic, animistic and Nature-based religious systems.

I only started reading about Wicca and other contempory Pagan faiths (and adopting some of the terminology) after I made the conscious decision to stop trying to hammer my experiences into the Judeo-Christian mold for the world -- believe me, they just don't fit! ;-)

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: RB3
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 11:21 AM

I agree with Big Mick on the whole new agey-pagan thing. I would say that while I agree that Neo-Pagan is a silly word, it does actually apply to some people. I think that the people it applies to are the ones who are into the crystal/ley line stuff rather than actually attempting to get to the "truth" of what the ancient religions were.
On the other hand, I don't know too many people who practice those religions as they actually were, complete with sacrificing the "king" at the end of the year (and if there are people who do that, I probably don't want to know...)
I call myself a Pagan, because I'm poly-theistic rather than Wiccan. All the Wiccan/pagan community members I've had contact with tend to make that specific distinction: Wiccan=Goddess worship or Bi-Theistic Archetype religion, Pagan=everything else that isn't another established religion and has some sort of connection with ancient religions (i.e. poly-theism, shamanic tradition, Asatru, celtic or norse religion). But there are so many of us, and very few actually conform to any particular set of guidelines that it seems silly to attempt to define it any further.
I also think the old Celtic-Christianity was a pretty cool religion, as Christianity goes. I don't go there myself, but it seems to be a much more natural religion, with less constraints than typical Roman Catholicism (no offense meant to any Roman Catholics out there).
-RB3

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: GUEST,Silverfish
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 08:57 AM

Me. Yep.

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 08:41 AM

Go ahead, erin maiden. Live dangerously. LOL.

Our people were pagan long before they were Roman Catholic. I have longed for a return to the Irish Catholic Church, which was stifled by Rome, and which incorporated our natural beliefs into itself. Don't care much for the showbiz pagans. I used to correspond quite a bit with Morgan Llywelyn, and she constantly complained about the new agers who saw pagans as they wanted them to be instead of as they were. They had a very studied view of the natural world. I am not afraid at all to tell you that I hold many pagan beliefs, and still consider myself a Catholic.

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: erinmaidin
Date: 06 Sep 06 - 07:46 AM

I'm going to hold on to my last breath for as long as I can and try to get a peek over to the other side. Then...., I will declare :)
(Hell...I won't even tell my mom what political party I follow....mostly because...I don't follow one! lol)

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Gillie
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 08:16 AM

Raedwolf,

I totaly agree with what you have said regarding origins."

They are not the European knightly orders (the Templars, Hospitallers, Teutons, etc). They have never fought as a body unless persecuted. Lastly, kung fu, by a very strict definition, is not even a martial art. It's a movement art; like Tai Chi & Aikido; that has self-defense applications. And Buddhism is very explicit about not using violence. If the occasional professed individual breaks that instruction, this is not a reason to claim that the group's philosophy is therefore invalid."

I have been involved in Tia Kundo and know that it is a disipline of mind and body, that is aimed to promote self disipline and is not used unless absolutley nessesary. A last resort! It takes a braver man to walk away from a fight. Movements are based on Tai Chi.

Blessed be

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 05:56 AM

that's oh little town of Bethlehem , isn't it?

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Haruo
Date: 05 Sep 06 - 05:10 AM

I think the "Heretic Heart" tune is mighty similar to the Ploughboy's Dream, aka FOREST GREEN.

Haruo

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 02:47 AM

George Carlin also said...

"The only good thing to come from religion has been the music"

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 02:19 AM

Sorry, I didn't read this before. Back in Apr a Guest said

And I'm guessing everyone affiliated with filk has heathen/pagan leanings.

As guesses go, that's doesn't seem a very good one to me, unless you are prepared regard almost everything as a 'pagan leaning.'

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: GUEST,harp missy
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 01:48 AM

I feel unable to resist the urge to quote George Carlin at this point...

"When it comes to religion, I'm not an atheist and I'm not an agnostic. I'm an acrostic. The whole thing puzzles me."

Pretty much sums up my generalized theory of the universe...

M

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 03:24 AM

I knew I could tap into those sweet tolerant natures somehow. So that's why martin Gibson did it....

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 12:13 AM

WOW!!! Some of the pagan, self proclaimed, from half a decade ago ... are not lining up for muster and the roll-call.

Perhaps, they have seen the

LIGHT???

Or, they are terrified of the Patriot Act and its implications on their impositions on traditional institutions?

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 11:17 PM

If yer talking about

People
Against
Goodness
And
Normalcy

Then I'm in...

If yer going on about all this new age, crystals and horoscope, lay-lines, and hippy-standing-around-in-circles-nude bullwhip, I dismiss them all as a passle of DLDs (Deluded Little Dupes) It's mostly Victorian Age 'romantic fiction' coupled with Hallmark-ian marketing... And these people eat it up like it's Turkey Twizlers for school dinner.. Apparently without a brain in their heads they are going to save the soul they can't prove even exists...

Read the book "American Gods" by Neil Gaiman, especially the chapter where Wednesday is chatting with Aestor in the San Francisco coffee shop...

Subject: RE: Folk artists who are pagan
From: Haruo
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 10:59 PM

No, actually I'm a Baptist. But I like the song.

Haruo