BS: Foxhunting Banned.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 05:34 PM

I was reading the (strongly anti-hunting) Guardian recently and it pointed out that a majority of hunt supporters are not aristocrats at all. This was something I had worked out for myself, as it seems unlikely that the 400000+ people who rallied in London a few years ago were all toffs and their dependents. Farmers and workers in the countryside get out of their overalls and into their pink to go hunting and immediately look like an 18th century aristocrat. Result is a pavlovian snarl from the left!

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 05:32 PM

it is a f***ing working mans pursuit! Jeez - why don't you get it?!?!?!?!

Oh yeh and only the posh hunts do the blood on the face thing. So not very many at all. In fact - I couldn't name a single hunt that does it.
And, at the risk of sounding hypocritical, I wouldn't hunt deer. Not that I don't understand they can be a right pain in the backside - to farmer and gardeners and whatever - but they aren't as common as foxes. I don't know - it just wouldn't feel right. Not after watching Bambi. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: mandotim
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 04:45 PM

Naah; keep foxhunting! It kills about four or five rich and aristocratic bastards each and every year! Just find a way to subtly raise the height of the fences and gates! Seriously; I've lived in the countryside almost all my life, and I know that hunting is supported only by the monied classes in my part of the country. It would still be wrong if, like cock fighting, hare coursing, bull-baiting, bear-baiting, badger digging and dog fighting, it was a working man's pursuit. However you look at it, it's about taking pleasure in cruelty and suffering. The only reason it still exists is because powerful and unelected people were able to prevent the same fate as the other alleged sports. I look forward to seeing if the forces of law and order take the same scale of action against the proposed civil disobedience as they took against the miners. Sigh...prejudice now suspended, rant mode off, back to nice guy...
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 04:42 PM

I find that rather cool - sort of wild and Pagan...

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 04:42 PM

alternatively you could get the keswick reporter and look the fell pack fixtures up and see fox hunting at its best.
blencathra FH has a website
no blood on face crap there.
no fancy dress there
they dress for work not fir show
Amazing musical tradition too

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 03:07 PM

Laura -- and this is a serious offer -- if you REALLY want to hunt, come over to this side next Fall.

I'll set you up for a deer hunt with my brother and his daughters -- all of whom are blondes of varying shades and all of whom are, well, smart enough for all practical purposes. (Let's see, the oldest is working on her PhD in microbiology, her sister is a straight-A art major who'll graduate in 2006, the youngest has maintained a straight-A average since she was seven years old....)

If killing a deer (for meat, they eat what they shoot, which is the way it should be) bothers you, you needn't shoot (you probably don't know how anyway and you'd constitute a danger to yourself and others). You can still experience it and enjoy some time in the outdoors.

Oh, yeah. There's none of that "smear his face with blood" crap, either.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peace
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 02:28 PM

Two wright!

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 02:22 PM

Jusst aask jOhn!

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 02:19 PM

Speeling is know indacashun of inteeligence :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 02:17 PM

Well there's something we agree on :-)

(you notice I misspelled blonde though? hehe)

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 02:13 PM

Don't talk yourself down, being blonde just means you have the brains AND the beauty! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 02:11 PM

I am blond after all

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 02:10 PM

Not really - it's not that I'd always like the idea of it - but I'd always thought in the back of my mind - 'ooh maybe i'll have a go at that one day - it'd be a challenge' now I can't do it in my own time so here I go.
I don't know about being smarter than the dogs - last time I checked my IQ was only about 12 - or was it 13? Not too good at the counting thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 02:07 PM

Ah, so it's a rebellion thing. Highly commendable, until it involves killing things...:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peace
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 02:02 PM

Yes, Laura, you will hunt. The real question is why do y'all depend on the dogs to find? Surely you're smarter than the dogs.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 02:00 PM

Smiler - I'm going hunting because it looks like I won't get the choice in the future! I wouldn't have bothered if it hadn't been banned - but now I've only got a few months I'm going to go for it.

xLx

p.s. Ooh-Ahh2 - did you get your cat yet? lol

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: GUEST,Betsy
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 11:14 AM

sorry to copy - Good !

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 11:12 AM

If the fox is bothering your chickens, just shoot it. Or trap it and release it far away. Why run the poor thing to death? Why trample over other people's crops and land?

Now if the hunters did it bareback -- no saddle, no stirrups, not even a blanket, with a hackamore for bridle and reins -- maybe I'd change my mind.

In the US, foxes are, unfortunately, one of the animals that can carry rabies. Were I to be approached by a fox (or any other mammal) which was NOT afraid of me, had a drugged appearance, etc., I would certainly do my best to kill it. Rabies is not a nice way for an animal or a person to die.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Cllr
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 08:56 AM

Mooman he he he good one! We must share a pint sometime
Cllr

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Chris Green
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 07:14 AM

"Sometimes one does not need valid reasons"? Eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 07:11 AM

Sometimes one does not need valid reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: kendall
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 05:24 AM

There is no valid reason to engage in this kind of cruelty.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: burntstump
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 05:16 AM

Half time score

REYNARD 1   FOX HUNTERS 0

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 04:15 AM

Says you, dork.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 03:12 AM

Those who are thinking of taking up foxhunting, following the ban, may also want to take up cockfighting, and badger baiting, while they're at it. Ooh aah2, when you resort to name calling, it means you have lost the argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peace
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 01:30 AM

Is this anything like Robin Hood and his Banned of Men?

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: dianavan
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 01:26 AM

Gargoyle - I think the peasant class have been paying their dues for a very long time.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 10:42 PM

The hare and hound are most enjoyable sport.

Thankfully, they have not banned the carnage wrecked on a hare...by a well bred hound.

However, if the Brits allow this current ban to persist....it is not long until the peasant-class will also pay their dues.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 10:25 PM

Fantastic! Now they can get back to their high-class incestuous deviances and darken our television screens no more...

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 10:02 PM

jacqui c - Fish is the main supply of food for my family. Its incredibly stupid of you to compare fishing with fox hunting. The rich do not eat the foxes and even if they do, they're not dependent upon them.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 09:51 PM

Yeh well I guess if thats really all Oscar Wilde amounts to in your eyes....an obese paedophile.....I feel sort of sad for you.

On a brighter note. Lets hope Charles and Camilla make a stand about hunting , carry on, and they get slung in jail. that really would brighten up 2005 for me.

Unfortunately unlike in Wilde's day they don't have hard labour. Now that would be some sort of new experience for people who know their station in life and that of everybody else's.

Charles's comments and the widespread reaction to them, of course merely underline what I was saying in another thread about this banning of hunting just being a piece of class revenge for all the humiliations of the Thatcher era.

My god if ever a class asked for it....

The total failure of the pro hunting lobby to take on board the point of view of the majority has been astounding - given that they must have the best legal brains in the country on their side. They have been very badly advised.

they keep repeating that hunting isn't cruel, which is an argument they have lost - the majority has decided otherwise. They should have moved on to the point that yes it may be cruel, but other cruel activities are permitted in our society and ours should be one of them - months ago. I really can't understand it.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 07:46 PM

As a person who, after a long and painful internal struggle, has decided he likes foxhunting more than majorities telling minorities what they can and can't do ( I was pro gay marriage and anti death penalty long before I had a majority with me) I plan to go and buy a cat to torture.
Smiler, you are a dork.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: John Routledge
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 07:00 PM

The ban is a Blair trade off with the left. In the political world it has little to do with cruelty to foxes.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 06:53 PM

If you're more anti ban Laura, why do you want to go on a hunt next year?

Ooh Aah2, I woudn't put it past them to trample a cat to death, except they'd keep it quite, as they'd be prosecuted for it otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 06:41 PM

She's gone hunting mate, she can't hear you.

If hunters are simply into terrorising something to death, why don't they just do it to the cat?

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 06:39 PM

I don't - I just don't advocate banning hunting.
Like I said - i'm more anti-ban than pro-hunt - and if you can't tell the difference do your research.
The disadvantages of a ban far outweighh the advantages in my view.

xLx

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 06:35 PM

I disagree with fishing Jacqui, but would not bother with banning it, as it has a tradition of 'one for the pot'. And can be a source of non factory farmed food for a non veggie, which doesn't include myself.

Hunting on the other hand, is focussed on cruelty from the outset.

Laura, if you find something lovely and cute, why advocate terrorising it to death?

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 06:20 PM

Go to it Laura! Let freedom reign. I loved the exhilaration in your 'voice'. Yoiks, yoiks, tally ho!!!!   and down with the grey mingy moaners. Go and read a bloody book you sad bastards.

         Sportsmen arise the morning is clear
         The larks are singing all in the air
         Go and tell your sweet lover the hounds are out!
         Go and tell your sweet lover the hounds are out!

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 06:08 PM

I've got a life - don't worry.
I like foxes as much as the next person, very cute, very lovely - I just think the cons of a ban far outweigh the pros.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: GUEST,jacqui.c
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 06:08 PM

Now that it has been proved that fish have brains how soon will the government ban coarse fishing as being cruel? Not in a million years - too many of their supporters enjoy that one. Fox hunting has been banned because it is seen as an upper class interest. I have no strong feelings about it either way - I just think that this is the most hypocritical government that I have ever known.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 06:04 PM

We have plenty of foxes in our town, and noone feels the urge to chase them to exhaustion and death.

Laura try to get yourself a life. It's an issue of animal cruelty.

The legal bids are clutching at straws. Its banned, accept it.

The news last night made my day.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: *Laura*
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 05:39 PM

Don't worry - it'll be reversed by May.
In the meantime - I'm going to pluck up courage and go hunting!!! Damn the speed and damn the fences - and the trampling hooves if I fall off. I'm Going Hunting! YaaaaaaaY!

xLx

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 05:36 PM

They don't smell, and they have a certain style.

'The unspeakable in pusuit of the uneatable'? Pretty rich coming from an obese paedophile.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: GUEST,The Vulgar Boatman
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 05:23 PM

And now they're dragging in unemployment and loss of housing for hunt "servants" (sic), human rights, unlawful use of parliamentary and constitutional powers... call me an old cynic, but did anyone notice any of these people, or our illustrious house of lords, getting excited over similar "abuses" with reference to the miners, shipbuilders, steelworkers or deep sea fishermen? What's so bloody special about the Rodneys who do it to hounds?

KYBTTS

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Chris Green
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 02:28 PM

Quad bikes? Good to see the old traditions kept up, eh?!

I think that says more about the bullshit values of the pro-hunters than anything else. They're not prepared to drag hunt bcause that's not the "traditional" way it's done, but they're quite happy to teararse around the countryside on quad bikes.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 02:24 PM

Since hunting using hounds to kill has been banned in Scotland (two years now) more foxes have been killed - almost twice as many in fact - and there are the same number of hunts. (BBC Radio this evening).

As I understand it in Scotland the dogs are allowed to "flush out" the fox which is then shot using people on driving around on quad bikes.

The unspeakable in full pursuit of the uneatable is actually American football.

Dave Eyre

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Peace
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 02:05 PM

The pursuit of the inedible by the unspeakable is ending.

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Sweetfia
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 02:02 PM

Bastards!

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: Chris Green
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 01:25 PM

As I think I mentioned on a previous thread, all of the 'working-class' blood sports such as cockfighting, badger-baiting etc have already been banned. Why aren't the pro-hunters campaigning to have them brought back, eh? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Foxhunting Banned.
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 01:20 PM

I understand the Charles is O.K. with the ban because he was afraid that those in 'lower stations' would want to join in the hunt. Can't have working class people aspiring to be upper class sports, can we?

f