BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 10:29 PM

>>I still think you're looking at a bowl of water, AR282, and raising a lot of shit about the bowl its in and the people who made the bowl and so on, instead of just drinking the water.<<

I don't want to be poisoned.

>>Christianity is absolutely full of challenging philosophical and moral ideas...if you can get past the rituals, the traditional forms, and the literal thinking that would try to count how many angels are on the head of a pin. The pity is that you don't seem to see the philosophy or the moral questions...you just see the rigid beliefs of some (not all) Christians...and because of them you throw out the entire bowl of water and won't drink any of it.

That is incredible to me.<<

You can get that message from any other system and don't have to wade through a bullshit tide to do it.

>>It's like rejecting all of North America as totally useless because some areas are polluted or have crime in them.<<

It's more like being taken to one of these polluted places and being told, "This is North America," and you know damned well that is not really true. There's way more to North America than that.

>>Why not quit bellyaching about the literal-minded Christians whose beliefs offend your sense of reality so much and talk to some who are not so literal-minded instead? There are plenty of those around.<<

Religions are the products of kings and royalty. It's all to glorify them in some way. Any religion inimical to the king is not going to be allowed to stay for long. That which perpetuates his power will be allowed. Christianity is such a system. It was essentially invented by a king, an emperor really, Constantine. It's royalty glorification. That's why Jesus is KING OF KINGS and PRINCE of Peace and spoke for the KINGDOM of heaven and was KING of the Jews. Buddha too was a prince. The Emperor of Japan is supposedly descended from the Sun goddess Amaterasu. Even the Renne-le-Chateau stuff puts forth the Jesus' bloodline gave birth to the Merovingian kings.

>>I agree that the Eastern religions are more broad-minded and make more sense, but they too can be made into crazy rote belief by more rigid-minded worshippers. So what? Anything can be screwed up by stupid people. Science can be too.<<

But Eastern religions have excellent philosophical systems underlying them and those systems are not forgotten or denied. You don't get anything like that with Christianity. Even the Jesuit metaphysics of Paolo Dezza, for example, is sadly lacking. Now de Chardin was pretty good but he is a single gem among a planet of crude rocks.

>>Clarify this for me. Do you believe that a man, some man, existed historically, and that he was the man who came to be known later as "Jesus" (his name was Yeshua in the language of the time)?<<

No.

>>Or do you believe that no such man ever existed at all? Never mind about the God stuff, the miracles, the virgin birth, all that fancy lore, do you believe there was a physical person, Yeshua, who went around preaching in Palestine at that time, and that the Christian religion was built later by his followers, who saw him as the "Son of God"?<<

No such person. If he existed, Paul is obviously talking about someone else because he clearly has no interest in this historical personality. But then Revelation, Hebrews and James all present very different conceptions of Jesus and clearly none regarded him as historical. You wonder how Christians can have these books in their bible and not see what is staring them in the face. It's incredible. Obviously, they don't read it. They couldn't.

>>Or are you saying there was no such person at all? Totally a figment of someone's imagination?<<

More like deliberate deception by the royalty.

>>And if so, upon what do you base your certainty that there was no such person? ;-D Upon what?????<<

There are no valid historical references about him from his time or the generation after. That the Christians borrowed Philo's concept of the Logos and he was a contemporary and yet never wrote about Christians or a Jesus Christ. Josephus was governor of Galilee and wrote a history of it that never mentioned Nazareth or Jesus. Origen tried to find Bethany and couldn't. Much of the geography of Palestine described the gospels is wrong. Jesus quotes the Greek bible. It's not a religion out of Palestine. It's a religion born in the diaspora by Greek-speakers who spent little to no time in Palestine. Jesus is just the sun--the Light of the World, the star in the east (rising sun/son). He had 12 disciples--sun in the middle of the zodiac.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: LilyFestre
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 08:10 PM

Does Bush know what a used car is?

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 08:02 PM

Did Bush sell cars?

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: LilyFestre
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 07:37 PM

Or used car salesmen...

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Peace
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 07:24 PM

"America's Most Distrusted Minority"

Surely this has to be politicians.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 07:21 PM

If people answering that survey have an image of what "atheists" are like which coincides with that represented so vocally in this thread, perhaps that answer is not so surprising.

As Joe Offer said up the thread, all fundamentalism is probably better treated with suspicion. (I paraphrase him.)

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 05:53 PM

They say smiling is good for one's health. Thanks for reminding me. I sometimes forget to smile as much as I should.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 05:45 PM

Whatever keeps you dully smiling through your vacuous little days LH....

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 05:41 PM

Everyone has a philosophy, Clinton, but stupid people (or emotionally constipated people) either don't realize they have one or they are unwilling to admit it or discuss it.

Your philosophy is the most vital thing about you, because it makes you who you are.

That's why I consider philosophy the greatest of all subjects, and that's why I talk about it. Religion, when it is intelligently applied religion rather than mere form and ritual, is philosophy about the most important things in life.

That which you believe in IS your philosophy, and it will make you either kind or cruel, helpful or harmful, useful or useless...in any given situation. Thus it is THE most important influence on putting food on the table or any other such practical matter.

The only person who has no philosophy is the person who is unconscious or dead. Those who refuse to discuss it are dead too, but in a different sense.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 05:34 PM

"a philosophical discussion"

A good roast is worth it's weight in philosophy... especially New-Agey wet-blouse philosophy as you present LH....

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 05:29 PM

If you wish to concern yourself only with known facts, Clinton, you're not really a functioning human mind at all...just a computer. A memory machine. No wonder you appear incapable of holding a philosophical discussion of any kind.

Also, Clinton, your "facts" are only as reliable as the source feeding them to you...and your interpretation of said facts, and what they mean, remains personal and subjective, which is to say...unreliable.

Many marvelous lies and incorrect conclusions have been drawn using carefully selected and interpreted "facts".

It's the oldest trick in the book, matter of fact. ;-)

If you cannot distinguish between more and less likely interesting possibilities, you'd make a hell of a poor research scientist. You wouldn't even know what to start looking for! Ever heard of scientific theories, Clinton? Scientists are very interested in "might-have-beens" or "might-be"'s. That's how they theorize in the first place, and then they look for evidence to back up a theory. Until they find conclusive evidence, it remains an interesting possibility. A scientist who like you restricted himself only to discussing the known facts and disdained "interesting possibilities" would be useless. He'd never discover anything new whatsoever. He wouldn't even want to.

And the chances that Jesus really existed are way, way better than the chance that you will ever loosen up and be reasonable... Heh!

I wish you upon yourself. Argue till one of you wins, and let me know which one it was, and I'll send you one of those little fake gold trophies.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 05:15 PM

And what the hell.. I may as well play this stupid Mudcat game too....

100

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 05:14 PM

Probably B...

We need to get to whatever is under Oak Island for the best evidence either way

:-P
Heh

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: frogprince
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 05:08 PM

And Clinton: Would you say agree with any one of these statements?(a) William Shakespeare wrote the plays attributed to him, (b)The actual authorship of the "Shakespearean" plays is uncertain, or (c) The person to whom those plays are attributed definitely did not exist.   Or, do you have yet a different position on that issue?

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: frogprince
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 04:56 PM

I s'pose this is drift, but:
I started on a job about 15 years ago, and soon found that a high percent of my co-workers were very open and proud about the fact that they were high a high percent of the time. One morning a couple who both worked there came in complaining that they had bought some pot after work the day before, but it was so lame that it did nothing for them. Then things got really weird: one co-worker after another began to sympathize with them, in all sincerity, about their misfortune. I really think if there were sympathy cards tailored to the situation, they would have gotten a pile. Finally, I sat there and said, "It's really a shame; if you can't trust your pusher, who can you trust". One single young man, an avid druggy but with some working brain cells left, looked up at me and smirked because he got it. The rest of them took me at face value.
Anyhow, if you can't distrust an atheist, who can you distrust?

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 04:11 PM

oops....

I prefer to leave maybes and might-have-beens to the realm Speculative Fiction, and concern myself with facts.

"If it's truth you're after, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall."

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 04:09 PM

"Atlantis is merely an interesting possibility at this point"
That's where you're wrong... there is NO possibility that "Atlantis" ever existed, as referenced by Plato... He was writing fiction, as social commentary, and as satire....

"Jesus is an interesting possibility too, and admit "he might have existed"
By that thinking ALL things are interesting possibilities, and might have existed... Which might be cute in an imaginative 4 year old girl, but isn't go do anything to put food on the table, or get a stuck cow out of a bog.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:52 PM

Looking at myself and my life, I truly believe that I am honest, moral, and trustworthy. And I don't really know of anyone who maintains to the contrary.

But developmentally, the reason I am that way is because when, at 14 years of age, I realized that I was what was seen as that "terrible, reprehensible" thing, an atheist, I decided there were two things I had to do:

1. Keep my head down. (This, to avoid losing the respect of many others I would run into along the way.) AND
2. Take personal responsibility for making my life honest, moral, and trustworthy. (This, to avoid losing the the respect of yours truly.)

    Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:49 PM

I don't consider the existence of Atlantis to be even 1 per cent as likely as that Jesus existed, Clinton. Atlantis is merely an interesting possibility at this point, nothing more than that. It's speculative.

And from your point of view, you must admit that Jesus is an interesting possibility too, and admit "he might have existed"...unless you subscribe to the blind faith principle that says, "He didn't exist. Period. No matter what. Simply because I say he didn't."

You are the one who has no evidence. No evidence whatsoever of a proposition is far less impressive than a gigantic mountain of cultural evidence supporting it, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:43 PM

That's been suggested before, Wesley. ;-)

Clinton is a bully, as far as I'm concerned. He figures he can just drop his nasty little cynical one-liners down on me or anyone else whenever he wants to and that's it. Fun for him.

Well, I despise him just enough, and at the same time find the whole thing amusing enough, that I am willing to throw his shit right back at him. He is unique on this forum. He deserves special treatment as far as I'm concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:43 PM

"a private room for your little lovers quarrel "

Balling THIS good needs to be in public

Makes ya jealous?

I'll bet it does

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:42 PM

"The Christian religion itself, and the Christian civilization are the evidence that he existed."

Sorry LH... that's akin to saying that Platos Fiction/Social Satire is 'evidence' for or 'proof' of, the existence of 'Atlantis'.... Or that just because John Travolta, and Tom Cruise and a bunch of other wingnuts 'believe' it, L.Ron Hubbart (Sp?) is anything more than a crappy science fiction writer...

Whereas all historical, archaeological, etc. evidence to date says the exact opposite. The "Box" that beardedbruce cited was potentially interesting evidence, until it was debunked.... same with "The Shroud Of Turin"

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Wesley S
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:33 PM

Clinton and Little Hawk - have you considered getting a private room for your little lovers quarrel ?

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:27 PM

It doesn't matter whether or not lawyers are atheists. Couldn't matter less.

Clinton, there is a massive amount of evidence for Jesus having existed. Absolutely massive. The Christian religion itself, and the Christian civilization are the evidence that he existed.

They are not evidence that he was the Son of God, that he did this or that miracle, that he rose from the dead, walked on water, or anything else extraordinary like that, but they ARE evidence that a man known now as Jesus existed, and that he had a big effect on a bunch of other people in his local area for some reason, so big an effect that it soon launched a world religion.

And that is the part that your emotional blinders will not permit you to acknowledge. Your prejudice demands that NONE of it be true. Well, your prejudice is blind.

Buddhism is the same massive cultural evidence that the man Buddha existed. Religions based on the life of a single individual do not start in the first place without that person having physically been there to serve as the inspiration to start them. I've seen how that happens in real life. The person must be there first to inspire others by some extraordinary personal quality he or she has. That's how the whole ball gets rolling. Without the person, it doesn't get rolling at all.

You just don't want to believe there was a man, Jesus, for your own emotional reasons, and you're clinging to that in the face of a mass of cultural evidence bigger than the Atlantic Ocean.

You're the one who believes in something totally unlikely here, not me. I don't believe there was a man, Jesus, because "it gets me through the night". I like Buddhism, Taoism, and Vedantic teachings just as much or more than I like Christianity. I find them all to be good teachings, and I label myself by none of them.

What gets me through the night is the same thing that gets you throught the night. My heart keeps beating, that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:23 PM

"entities termed "a god" can be manifold, and need not be "Supreme"

Heh
There are those that call me "God-Emperor Of Geeks" but I've NEVER even rehearsed "Stop! In The Name Of Love"

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 03:17 PM

Quarcoo quoted and then said:


"MINNEAPOLIS / ST. PAUL (3/20/2006) -- American's increasing acceptance of religious diversity doesn't extend to those who don't believe in a god, according to a national survey by researchers in the University of Minnesota's department of sociology."

well they don't believe in "god" and not "GOD" so no problem hate them,after all no religious body will use the small "g" for the Supreme Being.

It is worth pointing out that the quoted paragraph did NOT deal with "God", but "a god", which is a quite different thing. The capitalization of "God" signals that it's being used as a proper noun, whereas "a god" is only a common noun, one of a general class. Even one who don't believe that the general class contains more than one should realize that entities termed "a god" can be manifold, and need not be "Supreme".

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:58 PM

"I thought for sure that lawyers were America's most distrusted minority. ;-D"

What if the majority of lawyers are atheists???

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:55 PM

"incapable of honest self-appraisal or self-awareness"
Not even remotely....

"attitude toward other people"
This isn't other people... this is you... You're just hurt that someone calls you on your bullflop, and dismisses the thing you cling to, that thing that gets you through the nights, as a load.... as was suggested above, maybe because of the sinking suspicion I might be right. I don't really care why it hurts you so.... That's your problem.

Think YOU might be right? Lets see some decent evidence to support your claptrap....

Oh... that's right... there isn't any.... at least none that can be seen unless one first agrees to wear your own special blinkers.. If that's what it takes, I'd rather not see it, thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:49 PM

And you prove yourself incapable of honest self-appraisal or self-awareness.

Your attitude toward other people is pathetic, Clinton. (at least on this forum, I don't know about in real life)

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:45 PM

"It's based on nothing but emotion"

Once again, you prove yourself clueless.....

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:43 PM

And the hostility! LOL! Why do you care this much? Or...why do you have to pretend you don't care this much? Who are you trying to impress? It ain't workin'.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:41 PM

The reason you HAVE to believe that Jesus didn't exist, Clinton, is strictly an emotional need on your part. It makes you feel good because it helps you further deny something you despise...the Christian religion.

Well, I can remember despising the Christian religion too...for a long time...but it never led me to such utterly irrational conclusions as to convince myself that an entire enormous religion somehow arose over the activities and life of a man who never even existed!!!

That's why I say your faith rivals that of Jehovah's Witnesses or Born-Again Evangelicals. It's based on nothing but emotion.

You're out there, man. You think you're rational, but you're far from it when it comes to this subject.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:36 PM

"looking for something to dump on"

Good thing I have a pre-existing shitheap like yourself then eh

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:35 PM

"there is a stome box with that name on it"
Debunked... fake...

(if it's the same box I'm thinking of)

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:35 PM

Everything you post here, Clinton, is driven by one thing and one thing alone...your toxic emotional ego. I can't take you seriously. You're just a form of light entertainment for me. You have nothing useful to say to anyone, you're just a bad attitude wandering around looking for something to dump on.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:32 PM

LH, we cross posted- my comment was directed at Clinton.

Actually, there is a stome box with that name on it, from the proper period- How common was that name?

Does it matter if the historical Jesus was one person, or a different one of the same name?

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:32 PM

To which your response will be along the lines of "I know you are but what am I" or some similar retort that spotlights your true level of discourse and insight...

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:28 PM

And well, as you like to play the pedant, how can one have "A whole hell of a lot less" than "Not a single shred" of evidence or indeed of anything?

Yer once again, caught up in your own mumbo-jumbo

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:26 PM

"There is a whole hell of a lot less evidence around to prove that he didn't exist"

That's not how 'proof' works, ignorant....

If you'd pull your head outa your backside, you'd grok that

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:24 PM

And Buddhism wasn't started by Buddha, it was invented 100 years later by a man who wanted to open a begging bowl franchise in Southeast Asia... ;-D There really never was such a person as Buddha. (more sarcasm)

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:13 PM

And the Illiad was not written by Homer, but by another Greek of the same name.


( sarcasm)

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:12 PM

There is a whole hell of a lot less evidence around to prove that he didn't exist, Clinton. ;-D Your faith rivals that of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

You are such fun. As predictable as fleas on a mongrel. You think of yourself as rational, but everything you say is driven by knee-jerk emotional prejudice. You're about as rational as a rattlesnake.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:08 PM

"believe that the historical man, Jesus, never even existed"

There's not a single shred of acceptable evidence to show that he did....

For a guy who claimed this thread was "silly and unhelpful" your sure have posted a lot of silly and unhelpful rain-bow hugging to it...

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:07 PM

Very reasonable stuff you say, Scoville, and many who call themselves "Christians" would agree with most or even all of it.


The worst fanatics I have ever run into were of 2 distinct varieties:

1. religious fanatics
2. atheist fanatics

Although their beliefs were apparently diametrically opposed, in other respects you could hardly tell them apart, because they both never shut up about it and they both never stopped trying to convert everyone they met into their exclusive belief system. They seemed equally intent on "saving" other people. They were driven by a sense of innate superiority and rightness, and had nothing but contempt or pity for those who didn't see it their way.

They deserve each other, and the rest of us don't deserve either one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: GUEST,M.Ted
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 01:55 PM

The real problem is not what you believe or disbelieve---it is that people censor their own words, and restrict their own actions, out of fear that they will be ostracized if they don't say the right things in the right way--

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Wesley S
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 11:23 AM

Scoville -

It's funny - I consider myself a Christian { mostly as an accident of birth } And I can aggree with a lot of what you had to say. The following words { of yours } express ideas I believe in too.

"I believe Jesus existed. I believe he was the spiritual son of God (not the literal one, and I don't believe that Mary was a virgin but I don't think that should count against her).I believe he was a respected leader and teacher. I could even believe that he died for my sins because that may have been what he meant to do."

I'll go on to say that I have hard time believing in the resurection of Christs body also. But wheather it happened or not has little to do with the worth and value of his teachings.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Scoville
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 10:07 AM

Self professed atheists are likely to be narrow minded, pretentious, boring.

Ditto self-professed Christians.




I'm [very nearly] an atheist (I explained this earlier).

I believe Jesus existed. I believe he was the spiritual son of God (not the literal one, and I don't believe that Mary was a virgin but I don't think that should count against her), which does not conflict with my almost-atheism because Jesus believed in God, even if I don't. I believe he was a respected leader and teacher. I could even believe that he died for my sins because that may have been what he meant to do, and my lack of belief doesn't cancel out his good intentions.

I don't want to be antagonistic to Christians but it simply doesn't work for me and I don't want them to hound me about it. All it means is that whatever I say or do is mine, and the consequences are mine, and whether or not I am forgiven is up to my fellow humans.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:39 AM

I'm Catholic, employed by the Catholic Church to teach religion. I don't have any reason to distrust atheists - but there are extremists among Catholics and other Christians who scare the hell out of me.

I guess that's the minority I distrust - ideological extremists of every ilk. Most other folks are fine.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:27 AM

And you're right...Jesus, by today's terms, was a radical socialist. He was the kind of person that any competitive, ruthless, money-hungry, success-oriented society hates with an absolute passion and will imprison or kill at the earliest possible opportunity.

That's one of the reasons I really, really like Jesus...as a philosopher, I mean. I agree with his philosophy. He had it right.

Subject: RE: BS: America's Most Distrusted Minority
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 06 - 02:24 AM

Guest - When Marx said that, he hadn't yet seen what television could do!

Be scared. Be very scared. ;-D That little idiot box in your living room has stolen a bigger piece of your life than you know, and it's got you by the short hairs.