BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 08:59 AM

Well, at least in Scotland they were kind enough to stop the train before ejecting the miscreant. That kid's caregivers should have taught him some manners.

As for the following, "Yes, and an enquiry should be set up to find out if the youth has been "abused" as a child, and safeguard his "human rights"......and other nonsense!!!!!!!"

Ya know, I don't know why that remark reminds me of Ronald Reagan in his latter years.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 08:57 AM

Nobody has said that he should travel free, it just needs to be dealt with properly.

If I had been in that train carriage with children I would not have been happy with all of that going on around me. Also, it is the kind of thing that distresses some people and when they have paid to travel they are entitled to do so in peace.

It could all have been handled in a much better and more appropriate way.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 08:54 AM

But Backwoodsman. No one has suggested he should not have to pay for his journey

One of the things that has been question though is mentality of those who appear to prefer thuggery to allowing the proper authorities handle these matters...

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 08:46 AM

"As a regular commuter I'm often irritated by the number of 'Revenue Protection' people there are - sometimes meaning I have to show my ticket 3 times in the course of a journey."

I get pissed off when no-one comes along to check my ticket, because that means that some tight-arsed scrote(s) might get away with travelling for bugger-all when I've paid for the pleasure.

Travelling without a ticket is THEFT. Would you people be so reasonable and understanding, so concerned about the offender's rights, if you caught someone picking your pocket or twocking your car? No you bloody wouldn't, so why waste sympathy on someone stealing from the railway operator?

Words like 'double' and 'standards' spring instantly to mind. The bastard got what he deserved.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 08:42 AM

Ah, the Nazi - or is it IRA - approach to social cohesion again.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 08:39 AM

They should have threw the guy who filmed it off with him. In cases like this, you take them somewhere quiet and bump into his kidneys, leave him pissing blood for two weeks.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: theleveller
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 08:33 AM

I actually had the opposite situation the other day. When travelling from my local (unmanned) station to the next town where my season ticket was valid from, I tried to buy a ticket from the conductor but because he couldn't get his machine to work he told me to "forget it". Maybe I sould have thrown him off the train.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 08:23 AM

Yes, and an enquiry should be set up to find out if the youth has been "abused" as a child, and safeguard his "human rights"......and other nonsense!!!!!!!

Rather extreme measures for not having a train ticket .... lol.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: theleveller
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 08:22 AM

Of course no-one should be allowed to get away with travelling without a ticket. In situations like this, though, it's best left to the proper authorities to deal with. Vigilantes are quite often just pure bullies and the situation could easily have escalated into a fight that might have injured innocent passengers. If someone grabbed me, for whatever reason, I'd assume I was being assaulted and deck them without a second thought - and I would be in the right to do so. If, however, a member of train staff was being assualted, I'd always help them.

As a regular commuter I'm often irritated by the number of 'Revenue Protection' people there are - sometimes meaning I have to show my ticket 3 times in the course of a journey. This is especially irksome when trains are cancelled because there is no driver or guard available. It shows the lack of respect many train companies have for their passengers.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 08:18 AM

I don't see how that can happen, at Temple Meads you have to buy a ticket first to be able to swipe through the barrier gate to get on to the platform. There was a time when you could get on a train and pay if it was a short journey say to Weston-Super-Mare but I don't think you can now so I think the problem probably lies with the station where he boarded the train in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 08:09 AM

In the UK we are not allowed to take the law into our own hands ....... two wrongs do not make a right.

Yes, and an enquiry should be set up to find out if the youth has been "abused" as a child, and safeguard his "human rights"......and other nonsense!!!!!!!

Well done the "big guy"!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 07:40 AM

I have recently had to make a train journey to Bristol to help a sick and elderly friend. Even with my Railcard, it cost quite a bit. I don't see why anyone withour a ticket should get away with it. But normally in these situations, as stated above, the Transport Police are alerted and the miscreant is led off, without any fracas on the train. (I too have seen this done twice)

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 07:21 AM

Yep, that makes sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 07:18 AM

You'd then need to know his destination.

Better to have the British Rail police waiting to board the train at the next station - yes I have seen that done.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 06:58 AM

I don't see how it could have been handled much more sensitively other than just giving in and letting the guy travel free.

That's easy. All that's needed (as I found out) is to arrange for the police to be waiting at his destination.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 06:56 AM

I don't see how it could have been handled much more sensitively other than just giving in and letting the guy travel free. It seems to me that he wasn't going to leave the train of his own free will and by his own volition - and as far as the language goes he was already swearing and as far as I can make out was the only one who was swearing during the episode. He was taking advantage of the fact that the guard was elderly. If you misbehave in a pub or club you get ejected so why should public transport be any different. True enough it's not nice for kids to see but in the long run if more folk were like the big man then maybe people in general would be more free of loutish behaviour.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 06:54 AM

(it certainly wasn't the right ticket.)

Although mine wouldn't have been right for Bangor either. It just might have helped my story.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 06:49 AM

I didn't get chucked off but had the police waiting for me when I got off the train.

I had bought a return ticket but I think I must have dropped it Bangor where I had a drink while waiting for a train and picked up another one as when I showed it to the conductor, it certainly wasn't the right ticket.

Anyway, I'd no means of proving my (admittedly unlikely) story and the conductor was the type who would not even attempt listen.

I paid up and that was the end of the matter.

Except I was fuming. My return journey had been from Llandudno to Rhyl where I had been on a course (and had the papers with me). The only reason I wound up in Bangor was that there was an error on the British Rail timetable. The train I was on did not stop at Llandudno Junction as stated but went straight through to Bangor (and I was not the only one who was caught out by this).

I was late, I'd been forced on a detour I didn't want to make and been forced to pay for the privilege.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 06:42 AM

In the UK we are not allowed to take the law into our own hands ....... two wrongs do not make a right.

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: melodeonboy
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 06:33 AM

"Isn't it illegal to manhandle someone like that?"

Isn't it illegal to travel on public tansport and refuse to pay? Isn't it illegal to stay on a train after an official of the railway company has told you to get off?

I think justice (albeit rough) was done! I don't have much sympathy for young oiks who take the piss just 'cos they think they can get away with it. Full marks to the public spirited bloke who chucked the little sod off.   

I was chucked off trains a few times when I was young and penniless. The difference is that I knew I was in the wrong and got off the train when I was told to rather than arguing about my "rights"!

Subject: RE: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 06:11 AM

Isn't it illegal to manhandle someone like that?

It really is a shame it couldn't have been handled in a more sensitive way especially when children were there witnessing it all, the swearing and the violence.

Not the sort of video I would be proud to upload to my YouTube channel.

Subject: BS: Youth expelled from train-no ticket!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Dec 11 - 05:54 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvnOgxd6wo

A Scottish youth had no ticket on a train, the ticket collector ordered him off the train, the youth refused, a passenger did the honours and forcibly ejected the youth from the train - job very well done!