BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Rasener
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 04:06 PM

I got cancer of the bladder through smoking.

24 years after I stopped smoking.

Just because you stop smoking it doesn't mean that you won't get cancer late on in life caused by smoking. If you can't see the damage it causes, then please think about your children, who you may slowly be killing.

I was 54 when I got it and considered very young to get it. It affected my life dramatically and created big issues with my family, including severe financial loss.

Those tobacco companies have a lot to answer for.

So if anybody says to me its alright that I sit with a bunch of smokers because they think it is Ok, then get real. I don't have any issues with people who smoke, but if I choose to sit with them, it is my decision, not theirs.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 01:54 PM

What people want deeply they will contrive to believe. Deeply. Even if it's killing them. Even if it's killing others. Especially if it can make them a whole lot of money!

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: maggiethecat
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 01:50 PM

Wow! That's a frightening list!

I have a friend who insists she doesn't smoke that much, about four to six cigarettes a day. She also keeps telling me that both her mother and grandfather used to smoke well into their 80s. Somehow that seems to make it alright for her as well.

Should I bother giving her that list? Or will she just become stubborn, which seems to be the reaction of a lot of people?

It's pretty amazing what we convince ourselves of.

-maggie

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 01:46 PM

non and avoid it as much as possible

LH, I've read it is an addiction worse than heroin to overcome...it's difficult to figure any other rhyme or reason why good people of intelligence and knowledge would keep on with it...and I live with one of them, though he never does so around me!

JP, congratulations!

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Peace
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 01:43 PM

Chemicals in cigarettes and tobacco smoke make smoking harmful.

Tobacco smoke contains over 4,000 different chemicals. At least 43 are known carcinogens (cause cancer in humans).

Cigarettes are one of few products which can be sold legally which can harm and even kill you over time if used as intended.

Currently there are ongoing lawsuits in the USA which aim to hold tobacco companies responsible for the effects of smoking on the health of long term smokers.


Benzene (petrol additive)
A colourless cyclic hydrocarbon obtained from coal and petroleum, used as a solvent in fuel and in chemical manufacture - and contained in cigarette smoke. It is a known carcinogen and is associated with leukaemia.

Formaldehyde (embalming fluid)
A colourless liquid, highly poisonous, used to preserve dead bodies - also found in cigarette smoke. Known to cause cancer, respiratory, skin and gastrointestinal problems.

Ammonia (toilet cleaner)
Used as a flavouring, frees nicotine from tobacco turning it into a gas, found in dry cleaning fluids.

Acetone (nail polish remover)
Fragrant volatile liquid ketone, used as a solvent, for example, nail polish remover - found in cigarette smoke.

Tar
Particulate matter drawn into lungs when you inhale on a lighted cigarette. Once inhaled, smoke condenses and about 70 per cent of the tar in the smoke is deposited in the smoker's lungs.

Nicotine (insecticide/addictive drug)
One of the most addictive substances known to man, a powerful and fast-acting medical and non-medical poison. This is the chemical which causes addiction.

Carbon Monoxide (CO) (car exhaust fumes)
An odourless, tasteless and poisonous gas, rapidly fatal in large amounts - it's the same gas that comes out of car exhausts and is the main gas in cigarette smoke, formed when the cigarette is lit. Others you may recognize are :

Arsenic (rat poison), Hydrogen Cyanide (gas chamber poison)

source: Health Education Authority (UK) - Lifesaver

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 01:42 PM

One flaw in your stats Winston. Every smoking death is a slow moving suicide and every smoker, without exception, is attempting to commit suicide.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: GUEST,Winston
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 01:39 PM

Approximately 1300 Americans died prematurely yesterday from the effects of tobacco smoke. Another 1300 or so will die today, again tomorrow, and again the next day.

By the end of the year, about half a million Americans will be dead from the effects of tobacco smoke. That's more than the COMBINED total number of deaths from AIDS, traffic accidents, suicide, fires, murder and accidental poisonings.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 01:38 PM

I understand why they smoke, Maggie. I smoked in various Native American ceremonies on a few rare occasions, and I understood right away what was appealing about it...once you made the decision to do what was essentially an unnatural, but a culturally familiar act. It was pleasant. I only took the smoke in my mouth and sent it back out again, but there was something pleasant about it. The aftertaste was not so pleasant later on, though.

Now, add to that the desire to fit in with one's peer group, seem like an "adult", and all the other psychological stuff that motivates young people...plus the comfort of repeating an accustomed habit that has soon become second nature...plus the addictive urge (which I have experienced with caffiene drinks and sugar in my life)...plus the feeling that one is "taking a break"...

Well, it's not hard to understand why people like to smoke. They drink coffee and eat sugar-laden fast food for the same reasons.

What is hard to understand is that the liking overcomes their good sense to the point where they would rather keep doing it and suffer the bodily consequences than quit. That becomes increasingly hard to understand as time goes by.

But...we all do various foolish and unnecessary things. Many of them are not quite as obvious as smoking.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Metchosin
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:53 PM

where there's folks, there's mire.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: GUEST,maggiethecat
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:51 PM

Metchosin, that was an interesting point.

I love campfires and BarBeQues, and have come home in the past smelling of both. But I don't sit in the path of the smoke if I can help it, because any smoke feels bad in my lungs.

But there is a difference in the smoke, and Little Hawk mentioned some of it. I think there are chemicals in the cigarettes that increase the danger. I'm sorry I don't know a lot about it but I do know that as I get older, my body seems to be more and more sensitive to things like this.

I guess it's hard to understand why someone smokes if you don't. Maybe if you'd explain more about how you started and why you continue it would help me understand.

-maggie

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:47 PM

It's not as bad as pig manure, though! Ever lived near a factory pig farm?

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Metchosin
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:47 PM

Whatever you wish to believe Little Hawk, but in truth, nope, just a brief glimpse and chuckle at how very human we all are. I kinda like fools, myself included.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:41 PM

Smoking outdoors can just be an effectve way of keeping midges away.

The really nasty outdoor smoke is from barbecues - now that really is a killer.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:34 PM

Everyone enjoys feeling superior. :-) (Unless they have completely conquered their ego and attained absolute equaninity and equality with all beings...such people are 1 in 10,000 or even less than that.)

What really pisses OFF people is when they sense that someone ELSE is feeling superior at their expense, right, Metchosin?

I can understand your irritation over this matter. Your observation of the nonsmoker at the fire is keen and appropriate.

I love sitting at a bonfire, but I definitely try to avoid the smoke. I'm not there for the smoke. I'm there for the light, the warmth, the beauty of the fire, the conviviality, and the reliving of genetic memories going back hundreds of thousands of years. The smoke is the most inconvenient part of the experience, and can mostly be avoided by choosing where to sit. Why do we put chimneys on fireplaces? So we don't have to breathe the smoke!

A smoker is smoking FOR the smoke...and the high he gets from the drug that's in the smoke. That's unnatural, and it involves some pretty amazing mental gymnastics to find a way of justifying it.

Someone who knows how to build a good fire selects dry wood, so as to give off the least smoke possible. One does not build a fire in order to inhale smoke.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Metchosin
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:18 PM

guess its safe to assume you don't go to many BBQs or campfires, eh maggie?

I was at one last year where a non smoker sat down beside someone who was smoking and when they notice it, they immediately moved to another side of the bonfire, with the comment and a hint of disgust, "Ooh, a smoker....". They subsequently spent the rest of the evening blissfully engulfed in woodsmoke. My thought at the time was that there are those who will seize any opportunity to deride the human frailties of their fellow man, in order to ignore their own, in an attempt to feel superior.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:13 PM

How can someone get all het up and righteous about their god-given right to smoke? LOL! Of course, you have a right to smoke if you so desire. You also have a right to drink yourself into a hangover every night, overeat till your heart stops, not wash till you stink, snort cocaine till your nose doesn't work, not pay your bills till your power gets turned off, and do any number of irresponsible and completely self-destructive things...just because you want to.

But don't pretend that you don't have a problem, because you do. You're addicted to a very harmful substance that damages your health every single day, makes the skin on your face get leathery and old-looking before its proper time, damages your vocal chords, damages your lungs...and no animal in the entire world of nature is foolish enough to deliberately inhale smoke...nor is any human toddler so foolish. Nope, only an adolescent human being programmed by the tremendous brainwashing forces of cultural conformity and bravado and peer pressure can be that foolish.

Native Americans smoked. They did so as a prayer. They did not smoke continuously all day long as do modern people. The mixture they smoked was far less harmful than commercial tobacco of today, because it did not contain various additives to make it burn smoother, taste better, and have a longer shelf life.

If you consider tobacco to be a sacrament, Native American style, then consider smoking it AS the Native Americans did...once or twice a day for a short time, instead of intermittently all day long.   They were not addicts, the modern smoker is.

Modern tobacco is deliberately MADE more addictive with additives by the companies that market it. Why? They want to make more money. Period.

And you are their chosen target.

Why be righteous about it?

If, on the other hand, you are bugged by people coming and harassing you in the park, I can entirely understand that. They are overstepping their bounds. I don't harass people I see smoking outdoors. I feel sorry for them inside, but I don't harass them or bother them about it. It just makes me feel sad and weary when I see them...like you would feel if you saw your children being self-destructive, and knew you could do nothing about it.

Mark Twain? He was just enjoying being an outspoken curmudgeon, a rugged individualist, and doing whatever the hell he wanted to. Fine with me. He was a great writer. What do I care whether or not he smoked back then? It's a different time now. Most men smoked back then. Virtually all women did not. They were wiser than the men. That doesn't surprise me. :-) Men have always tended toward self-destructive bravado.

Nowadays we see it reversed. More girls are taking up smoking than boys. That's the power of modern marketing for you. The tobacco pushers must have thought the gates of heaven were opening when it finally became socially acceptable for women to smoke too...twice as much profit to be made!   

$$$$$$$disease$$$$$lies$$$$$profit$$$$$$$$marketing$$$$$$death$$$$$$$$

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 11:43 AM

I smoke

about once per year, a cigarillo. Some years I forget, some years I smoke two. This year I'll smoke it in the first week of October.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: maggiethecat
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 11:05 AM

Thanks so much for everyone's contributions. I hope you'll keep it up if you have a mind to.

The reason I began this thread was because of something that happened to me on a holiday a little while back.

I was sitting on the most beautiful and pristine beach on an island in the Caribbean, dreaming and minding my own business, when I began to smell something. Sure enough, it was cigarette smoke from a person upwind of me...and from quite a long way away.

At the time I didn't think that much about it, but since then, it's happened almost everywhere I've gone...and in the most gorgeous places. Just being on the wrong end of a breeze meant I had to smell someone else's decision.

I do understand what you said, daylia, about your having also to smell what other people wear. But as far as I know, none of those things you mention can harm you...(and I certainly hope that the smoke wafting into my lungs wasn't enough to harm me) and I think that's the biggest point that's been made here.

Of course it's your choice, and all of us speaking here live in free countries...but...


And again, thank you for all your contributions.

-maggie

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 10:57 AM

When is it time for the..." But don't you drive a car?" post.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 10:56 AM

Holes in native structures weren't constructed to vent tobacco smoke, they were to vent cooking fires. Chain smoking wasn't a use that Indian tobacco was put to pre-Columbus. That was learned from colonizers who took something sacred and turned it profane.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Chris Green
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 10:54 AM

It's the easiest thing in the world to give up smoking. I myself have done it hundreds of times. (Mark Twain)

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: *daylia*
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 10:45 AM

Hey Blackcatter, maybe I'm cute enough for ya! I'm always into new experiences .... ;-)

I agree the habit IS odeous and nasty ... when indulged in an enclosed space.

That's why the Natives designed all their dwellings and Council areas with smoke-holes at the top.

There are habits which I find much more offensive than smoking. I think I pointed them out already, though.

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 10:36 AM

daylia -

There are assholes on either side of the debate. I find the habit odeous and nasty, but I have friends who smoke. They are nice enough to go outside/walk away to light up and come back afterwards. I treat it just like going to the bathroom. I don't want a friend who pees in front of me either (well, she'd have to be really cute . . .).

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: *daylia*
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 09:29 AM

I think the thing I like best about smoking is the way it keeps holier-than-thou self-appointed messiahs at a peaceful, comfortable distance.

I've had perfect strangers walk all the way across the park just to insult and preach at me - while I'm sitting there by myself, harming no one, minding my own business, enjoying a break!

I've discovered that all I have to do to get rid of them is practice the art of silence while lighting up another one. Blowing big smoke rings around their faces works VERY well too, if they can't take the hint fast enough. ANd some of them just can't.

I agree with MT - bite me!

If people don't like the way I taste, they certainly don't have to eat me.

If people don't like the way I smell, they can stay away from me too. I don't miss'em in the least. I avoid quite a few people myself, because I can't stand the way they usually smell - be it alcohol or garlic or those godawful cheap perfumes or patchouli oils. I don't insult them, accuse them of all the crimes of humanity or insist they start smelling the way I'd prefer, either.

I just keep my distance. Simple. I figure my personal preferences are my problem, not theirs.

I don't fill up anyone's space (or my own) with smoke (or any other offensive odour), out of respect and common sense. All I ask in return is that people don't fill up mine with unsolicited "advice", meddling and hatred.

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: GUEST,Mooh
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 09:29 AM

Rabid lifelong non-smoker. Very intolerant of smoke and smoker's excuses. Raised by smokers who lived long enough to quit and regret what they did to their children. Smoke has kept me from gigging some otherwise worthy venues, and has prevented some otherwise worthwhile social experiences. Bitter? Better believe it!

Smokers litter more than others too, if my street, downtown, beach, local highways and byways are any evidence.

If I were King, smoking would be illegal.

Peace, Mooh (enjoying a fresh breeze off Georgian Bay).

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Alonzo M. Zilch (inactive)
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 08:55 AM

Ever see a left-wing activist rail against the government and/or big business and multinational corporations and then light up a cigarette?

Anybody that smokes loves donating lots of extra money to support the government and the lifestyles of the rich and greedy big-business-bastards that run the multinationals that control the tobacco industry.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 08:19 AM

Went to our local folk club last night. It was fuller than usual and very smokey. I don't know if the smoke0free Middle Bar has spoiled me or what, but it seemed to effect me more than usual. The person who runs the club chain-smokes and my voice was hoarse by the end of the evening. I'm rapidly coming round to thinking the ban as per Ireland is a good thing!! On top of that, my hair and clothes all smell disgusting

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 08:14 AM

Started smoking at about age thirteen - gave up twice and went back before finally giving up at age thirty-six. That time I had such severe withdrawal symptoms that the aversion factor kicked in - wouldn't want to go through that again!

I've gone through the militant anti-smoker bit and can now just tolerate other people smoking, but not when the air gets really thick. I don't like the smell on my clothes afterwards though.

I would agree that the smoker themself is the only person who will make the decision to stop. From my own experience trying to persuade them not to just hardens the resolve to continue in most cases, even if they know that it would be the most sensible thing to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 08:10 AM

Little Hawk mentioned 'Grisly evidence' - amongst the grisliest evidence must be the big fat hole in smoker's wallets! When I wanted my Lowden I held back though guilt over the cost (about £1,600) until I realised that, if I smoked 30 a day, my habit would be costing me close to £2,000 per annum! Kinda put the cost of the guitar into perspective for me and I went straight out and bought it. A beautiful, hand-made, top-class instrument for less than the cost of ten months smoking! And my breath doesn't stink either!

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: GUEST,MT
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 07:35 AM

Bite me.

How well I remember my grandmother's asking me not to use tobacco, good old soul! She said, "You're at it again, are you, you whelp? Now, don't ever let me catch you chewing tobacco before breakfast again, or I lay I'll blacksnake you within an inch of your life!" I have never touched it at that hour of the morning from that time to the present day.

- "History Repeats Itself"


As an example to others, and not that I care for moderation myself, it has always been my rule never to smoke when asleep and never to refrain when awake.

- 70th birthday speech


Life was not a valuable gift, but death was. Life was a fever-dream made up of joys embittered by sorrows, pleasure poisoned by pain; a dream that was a nightmare-confusion of spasmodic and fleeting delights, ecstasies, exultations, happinesses, interspersed with long-drawn miseries, griefs, perils, horrors, disappointments, defeats,humiliations, and despairs--the heaviest curse devisable by divine ingenuity; but death was sweet, death was gentle, death was kind; death healed the bruised spirit and the broken heart, and gave them rest and forgetfulness; death was man's best friend; when man could endure life no longer, death came and set him free.

- Letters from the Earth


Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits.

- Pudd'nhead Wilson


We are nothing but echoes. We have no thoughts of our own, no opinions of our own, we are but a compost heap made up of the decayed heredities, moral and physical.

- Mark Twain's Notebook

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 06:59 AM

My dad smoked. I hate him. I hate all fags. Should be lined up and shot. I love reading this thread. Keep it comin.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 05:11 AM

Oh!

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: HRH ted of hull
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 05:09 AM

I have just had BOTH jOhn.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 04:57 AM

Don't forget there is some americuns here Ted,
fag means puff in american!

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: HRH ted of hull
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 04:51 AM

I'd like to post something here, but I think I will pop out for a fag instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Joybell
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 04:41 AM

Never a smoker by choice. Over 50 years of exposure to second-hand smoke has put me in the same position as Ellenpoly and others like her. It's not a question of what we PREFER. It's a matter of breathing or not breathing. Joy

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: GUEST,weerover
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 04:29 AM

My reaction when I read that Ireland's pubs were to go smoke-free was that it would never ne enforced - it is, and it works. In two weeks there and usually in a different pub each night I never perceived any major disruption to the social routine of smokers (who went outside) or their non-smoking companions (who had to wait five minutes to resume their conversations or whatever).

weerover (smoker).

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Sooz
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 04:19 AM

It's your loss, jOhn. Think of all the great singers and musicians who are staying away from your club because they don't want to share your effluent.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 02:52 AM

I am a smoky person, and Hull Folk Club is a smoky Folk Club.

Hull Folk Club=The Marlborough Club, Chanterlands Avenue, Hull
loads of smoky people go, like me, el ted, Mick from Hull, Les From Hull, Maggie from Hull etc etc etc [all smoking people].

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 02:33 AM

Never smoked tobacco, and it grosses me out big time. I grew up in a house with smoking parents, and tolerated it easily enough at the time, but today I can't stand it.

One aspect of folk-music culture that always turned me off -- this is something you saw all the time back in the early/mid 60s, probably never today: Performer lights up, takes one drag before starting a song, and wedges the filter end behind the strings on his guitar's headstock for the cigarette to burn and emit smoke for the duration of the number. Why? To cover up the smell of something even worse?

Now, I'm not a total Puritan; I have been known to smoke other substances, and rarely hesitate to take a drink (given reasonable circumstances, e.g., not during the workday). But I'm an unforgiving prohibitionist when it comes to those putrid ciggies.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 01:02 AM

But do you still crave a cup of coffee after sex?


You did know that Tim Hortons has been putting nicotine in their coffee in the last few years? That's why it tastes so bad now.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 10:34 PM

Yeah, Cluin...that is mysterious, all right. It seems to be a nervous habit, like biting your nails, or running your hands through your hair. Then there's the other question: why in god's name do smokers want to smoke right after having sex?!? Are the cigarettes jealous or something? Yuck.

Deckman, you are absolutely right. Something inside the smoker has to trigger the decision to quit. No outer argument or grisly evidence will compell or convince them to until that something inside clicks in and actually wants to. It's like that with quitting coffee too. Believe me, I know. It was not easy to quit drinking coffee, until finally I just reached the point where I absolutely did not want it anymore, regardless of whether it smelled good and reminded me of past pleasant occasions or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 10:19 PM

Started smoking when I was 10 and quit when I was around 14. Never had any problem quitting anything (including quitting).

One observation... Why is it cigarette smokers absolutely have to have another one evey hour or so? Pipe smokers and cigar smokers don't have to light up that often. Think there's something else in those fags?

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: bbc
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 09:56 PM

Always non & I have a non-smoking home. COngratulations, Khandu; good health to you! My best friend is a smoker w/ emphysema, whose husband died at 50 of lung cancer. I know she can't stop. I keep her busy when I can & keep her company outside when she feels she needs to smoke. I don't see how people can sing in smoky conditions.

best to all,

bbc

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Deckman
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 09:47 PM

I'm old enough (lived long enough) that I've heard and seen EVERY single possible argument related to smoking, both pro and con. I've put four friends in the ground who died from smoking. I've read every posting on this thread so far, and I read nothing new.

I do not believe it's possible to change the mind of a smoker from the "outside." Something must impact them from the "inside" to get them to stop the habit. And they can if they choose.

I arrived at a VERY simple solution that has worked for me for the last 15 years. If I am invited to perform, or to attend, at a place where smoking is allowed, I simply say "NO."

CHEERS, Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 09:39 PM

Most pipe smoke is "flavored" so it will smell nicer than other tobacco. To me, Pot has a smell very similar to white sage. Stronr and a bit harsher, but I swear whenever someone uses white sage to smudge, I get the munchies.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 09:31 PM

I'm quite lucky. Smoked in moderation for years, gave it up without any problems whatsoever, don't mind being in a smoky pub, though I don't much like the smell on my clothes afterwards - and I very much dislike the smell of tobacco smoke that hasn't passed through someone's lungs to get filtered, for example when people leave their fags to smoulder away in an ash tray rather than stubbing them out.

Pipe smoke is much less unpleasant, and can even smell quite agreeable. I don't know why that is. The same goes for pot.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 08:14 PM

"Cigareets is a curse on the whole human race;
A man is a monkey with one in his face!
So heed my descripion, take warning dear brother.
A fire at one end, a fool at the other!

Cigareets & Whiskey & wild, wild women
They'll drive you crazy, they'll drive you insane.
Cigareets & Whiskey & wild, wild women
They'll drive you crazy, they'll drive you insane."

Nigel (an ex-pipe smoker, [at present!])

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 07:12 PM

Well if you've ever woken up with a mouth that tastes like an arse, you now know why!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Smoker/Non-Smoker?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 06:45 PM

Are we at the back end of this thread then??