BS: And the next US President will be

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 08:15 PM

Okay, mg. ;-) Nice to know that some of you worry on our account.

Mike, you said: "The result of 9/11 is not what the terrorists hoped it would be."

To the contrary, I believe the result of 9/11 turned out to be EXACTLY what the terrorists hoped it would be: a united and very angry America, willing to go to war in distant places. In that respect, it was a brilliantly planned and conceived operation.

It all depends on who you think the terrorists are, that's all...

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 07:54 PM

yes, you will find plenty of Americans who worry about Canadian electons..every time Quebec threatens seccession leaving heaven knows what on the eastern side, we get worried. mg

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Mike Miller
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 07:27 PM

Of course the silly, expensive and devisive Iraqi occupation should be the deciding factor in 2008, but I call your attention to the polls that were taken in 2004. The public was at least 60% opposed to the war and, yet, Bush won. Not by much, but he won. Until the Democrats can come up with a salable anti-terrorist plan, the voters will stick with the hawks. Far too many, on the left, tend to take a multinationalist view and defend the Islamic world that most Americans believe want to kill us. It is basic psychology to dehumanize our enemies. You can say that Bush's adventure in Iraq has weakened our position but, to most Americans, it was better than doing nothing. We were, and are, angry at being attacked. We are in no mood to hear the bleat of the left, that it was all our fault and we got what we deserved. Those, of you, who blame the US for everything from global warming to bad television, are entitled to your opinion but don't be surprised that it doesn't endear you to the public. The result of 9/11 is not what the terrorists hoped it would be. The mood of the country was toward unity and a kind of patriotic circling of the wagons. I've said it before, this war is unpopular because it is unwinnable. Nobody gives a damn about morality and ethics when they are being attacked and, until, the Democrats understand that, they will keep right on losing elections.

                   Mike

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 07:07 PM

"The parties serve the moneyed oligarchy that funds them, owns the news media, and disseminates their election propaganda."


               And good public education might not help to get you out of this situation, but you'll never get out without it.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 07:06 PM

We may have crossposted, LH.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 07:06 PM

We cross-posted there, Ebbie.

Yes, I do look at it from a sort of point of detachment, just as I probably would have in the 1700s or 1800s.

There was a time when I was young, inexperienced, idealistic, and not nearly so disillusioned about our political systems as I am today, but that time is long past. I still vote, but I don't expect much from it.

I believe in individuals. I do not believe in systems. I wouldn't join or work for any political party under any circumstances I can imagine.

For those of you who wish to....I say all power to you. Everyone should get right out there and work at whatever they honestly believe in, I figure. I have a friend, a folkie and a schoolteacher, who became a candidate for Canada's socialist party (the New Democrats) in the last election. She's very motivated. I respect that and I respect her. The New Democrats have NEVER won a seat in this riding, and I very much doubt that they ever will, but she's doing what she believes in, so good for her.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 06:53 PM

The reason, by the way, that we Canadians worry so much and talk so much about the American political system is simple...

It's about 150 times more powerful than ours is, and it directly affects the entire world.

That's why we worry about your elections. You'll very seldom find an American who worries about any Canadian election... ;-)

You must expect, when your country is the equivalent of Imperial Rome on the modern stage, to have it critized and analyzed by people in other parts of the world, specially people who live right next door to it.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 06:51 PM

For a change, Little Hawk, I wasn't objecting to your pronouncements only as referring to the United States, but to your view of the whole political process and outcomes.

I believe that your view, while perhaps valid as seen by a god who is ruminating on a specific period of history, is not accurate or even helpful on a day to day basis.

If I truly believed what you are saying, I would give up.   Instead, while keenly aware of the implications and ramifications of modern elections, I prefer to take a more focused look.

Your views, imo, would be as valid in 1776 or 1890 or 1930 as in the year 2000something. In other words, not helpful at all.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 06:35 PM

Ebbie and Ron...the problem is very similar in Canada. Almost identical, in fact. We have several parties, that's the only difference, so it doesn't seem quite as blatant and futile as in the USA, but it works the same way. The parties serve the moneyed oligarchy that funds them, owns the news media, and disseminates their election propaganda. They have to. They have no other option. So why would you think I am insulting just the USA's political $ySStem, when the problem is endemic in all large modern party systems?

The modern political party systems are largely phony, in my opinion. They're window dressing. Of course there are deeply sincere people at the local levels who belong to those various parties, and who are trying to serve the public. There are here too. I've met them. This is true everywhere. Also, many of the political candidates are deeply sincere people who wish to serve the public, but to do it they've got to play the game...

The game is bigger than them, and it ends up controlling them.

It's a pyramid system. It's controlled from the top down. How? By money. You don't get to vote for the men who control the purse strings, and they control the $ySStem. The same is true in Canada, and in the entire western world.

And outside the western world? It's that bad...or considerably worse.

So clearly we in Canada, the USA, and the UK, for example, are still relatively lucky, comparatively speaking.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 06:20 PM

LH--

1) Get to know the gang--it's not Don you're talking to, this time. Or maybe I'll let Don answer next time.

2) Your "$ystem"---Tweedledum and Tweedledee-- is the classic self-defeating attitude of the Left. And if you don't like the system of representative democracy, remember what Churchill said about the subject.

Ebbie told you what you need to hear--not that it will change you one iota, of course.


Mike-

I note with interest you have not managed to find time to tell us why the Iraq war will not trump everything else this time. And people don't seem to be that confident of their own economic situation--tends to put them in a "throw the bums out" mood. Starting at the top.

And therefore sales ability of those who like to wave bloody flags of the never-ending "War on Terrorism" and "your marriage will be in danger..." will not be the deciding factor.

But perhaps you have some actual logic to give on why you still think Fred Thompson is the one.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: pdq
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 04:57 PM

...as George Burns said:


             "Too bad all the people who know how to run this country are busy running taxicabs or cutting hair."

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 02:48 PM

Little Hawk, I'm never quite sure how I want to respond or react to one of your diatribes. On the one hand, you present it as a reasoned, dispassionate, objective view of America - but imo it is tremendously insulting and, I think, quite demonstrably false.

We have people on the local level who believe quite sincerely and effectively in the party of their choice- the same party that you denigrate as swill on the national level.

pppttttooooeeeee!

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 02:21 PM

Dennis is my choice. All the others, Obama,Hillary,Edwards,...have all talked about going into Iran. Their war-mongering is not off the table.

Fred Thompson may be the Ronald Reagan of the 2000'ths. Americans seem to love their actors.

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 02:16 PM

"Do you think Kerry would have behaved exactly the same as Bush in his second term?"

No, Don. I think he would have done a slightly different set of stupid things that served the general purposes of the huge financial interests who control both the Democratic and Republican parties...and who use those parties as a phony stage play to trick you Americans into thinking you still have a real choice and that you still have a real democracry...which you do not, in my opinion...although you may have it at the more local level, of course. Local politics are by their nature more subject to genuine public scrutiny and input than national politics.

What you have at the top of the $ySStem is an oligarchy of incredibly wealthy bankers and industrialists and media people, and your two political parties are an empty construct that they use to maintain their power and fool the public. Those parties are set up just like the final two teams in the World Series at the end of a baseball season. It really doesn't matter much which one of those two baseball teams wins the series...although they both try like hell to win, of course, because there are rewards for winning. The rewards are both psychological and financial. So it matters to the players and team owners and managers who wins. But it is an effectively meaningless event in the lives of the public, unless they decide to believe the hype, and they give it meaning by their belief.

It's the same for the Dems and Repubs...they try like hell to win, by any shady tactic...because they too will receive psychological and financial rewards if they do.........BUT........they both serve the same masters who rule them from the top down. The serve "the League"...same as the baseball teams do. Their business is to keep the League rolling in money and power. They're a couple of arbitrary teams, selected to entertain the masses, and trotted out at regular intervals to battle with each other just like baseball or football teams. And you suckers believe in it!!! ;-)

It's total bullshit. But you all believe in it, because you have nothing else to believe in, right? It's the only choice you are offered.

Look, if a bunch of pigs are standing at the trough, and they're hungry, they will eat what the farmer puts in the trough, right? If the farmer offers them two types of food, then they will choose one or the other....but they are still prisoners, and the farmer is still running the show.

The two types of food you people are being offered at the political trough are "elect a Democratic candidate" or "elect a Republican candidate", but the farmer controls both.

Yes, Don, there are differences in flavour and texture between the two types of food you are being offered. There HAVE to be. If they were exactly the same, the illusion of choice would no longer hold up, and people would stop believing they HAVE a choice! And that could lead to serious trouble...perhaps a total collapse of confidence in the $ySStem. People might begin to feel like helpless prisoners.

Now, Don, I really don't see why you are worried by my cynical opinion in this regard, because if I was an American, here's what I would do, come next election:

I'd go right out and vote Democratic to register my extreme displeasure with the past two terms of idiotic rule by the Republicans!!!!! So, Don, I would vote the way you seem to want people to. So what's your worry?

I would not, however, for a moment forget that the Democrats, once in power, are about as likely to betray the people who elected them as the Republicans are....only they will do it in a slightly different way, because they are a different flavour of pig chow.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 11:14 AM

Frankly, I think history will eventually exonorate Jimmy Carter as a president. But the point I was making was that Ronald Reagan was a much worse president than Carter.

                And you have a very good point about the Republicans being better salesmen. The Democrats seem to be stupid enough to expect the public to be able to make informed decisions. All of that would explain why the Republicans continue to attack public education, they dumber they can make the American voter, the better chance they have of getting elected.
                And, if they have to have software engineers, they can just import them from India.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Mike Miller
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 10:47 AM

The winning candidate will be the one who gets the most votes. How he/she gets them is not part of the equasion. The Republicans could nominate an empty pair of pants and still win. They did just that in 2000 and 2004. They are just better salesmen. They understand the dreams and fears and needs of their customers and, believe it or not, they are as sincere, in their beliefs, as you are.
And, while we are at it, let us admit that compassion and empathy, alone, do not make a great leader. No one, on either side of the aisle, questions the kindness and dedication of Jimmy Carter and no one thinks he was an effective president. (I don't know if you remember the campaign in 1976 but Carter ran as a self describe conservative. If I'm lyin', I'm dyin')
So, unless Sam Waterson is the Democratic nominee, my money is on his boss.

                        Mike

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 09:45 AM

"However, if you think Fred Thompson, who is at bottom an empty suit, is a shoo-in because of Lawn Order, I believe strongly that you are mistaken. This is not 1980. And the incumbent's party is not the Democrats."

                It's too bad we can go back to 1980 and do that election over. There was a difference then, and it's obvious now that the American public made the wrong choice.



    "But unless the self-defeating cynicism of "Tweedledum and Tweedledee" is dominant, the Republican candidate will be hanged by the Iraq war."


         More likely he/she would be hung by taking the wrong side of the illegal immigration issue. McCain finally figured this out and just reversed his course--Tweedledee and Tweedledum it is.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 08:39 AM

LH--

Sorry, but wrong. Do you think Kerry would have behaved exactly the same as Bush in his second term? Not likely. Bush is sui generis. Not that he would even know what that means.

Mike--

You're absolutely right that some of the most effective members of Bush's "team" came from the advertising world.   I remember reading recently--in the WSJ, I believe-- how the Bush campaign narrowly targeted its campaign literature in 2004. They trumpeted No Child Left Behind to Hispanic housewives, for instance, since they had found they were particularly concerned about education. Of course they somehow left out the fact that NCLB is yet another underfunded mandate.

And Bush raised his percentage of the Hispanic vote from 2000 to 2004 by about 5%. Which, combined with the "dirty bomb" and the "your marriage will be in danger" campaigns, the latter made possible because of stupid idealism on the part of homosexual activists--warned against by that pillar of the religious Right, Barney Frank--resulted in Bush's 2004 election.   

However, if you think Fred Thompson, who is at bottom an empty suit, is a shoo-in because of Lawn Order, I believe strongly that you are mistaken. This is not 1980. And the incumbent's party is not the Democrats.

Would you like to explain in detail why Fred Thompson will win, despite his support of the Iraq war?

There is a hot war going on in Iraq. And there's no question which party got us into it--and still believes in it.

Obviously, we'll see how it pans out in 2008.

But unless the self-defeating cynicism of "Tweedledum and Tweedledee" is dominant, the Republican candidate will be hanged by the Iraq war.

And. of course, unless there's another WTC-scale attack on the US before the 2008 election. And though I'm convinced Bush is despicable enough to sell the Iraq war by exploiting 9-11, he's not evil enough to have caused it. That's just the typically overheated imagination of the frustrated Left. Which as usual is wasting its energy--and lots of Mudcat bandwidth--with absurd nebulous predictions.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 12:30 AM

LH - You'll get no argument here!

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:40 PM

I keep dreaming of a president who is NEITHER a Democrat NOR a Republican.

But it ain't gonna happen. They have it all sewn up tighter than a drum. You get Tweedledee or you get Tweedledum.

And they call that "democracy".

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:38 PM

"...maybe this war will do to the Republicans what Viet Nam did to LBJ..."

               While I'm no fan of LBJ, the result of his political demise brought us Richard Nixon. We didn't see the oval office occupied by somebody who really cared about the welfare of the American public until Jimmy Carter was elected in 1976.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Mike Miller
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:23 PM

Ron, propoganda and advertising are one and the same. Some of the main movers and shakers in the GOP come from the advertising world.
A candidate is sold just like any other product. I. too, wish it were not so but I can't ignore history.
Every once in a blue moon, we elect a good president and it is amazing that we do so, so often. Well, maybe this war will do to the Republicans what Viet Nam did to LBJ but they survived 2004 so, who knows.

                   Mike

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: DougR
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 06:24 PM

Democrat candidates I would like to see get the nomination: Dennis Kucinich, John Edwards, Mike Gravel. The best of the Demos? Joe Biden who doesn't have a prayer.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:36 AM

"Unless of course there is a terrorist attack on the US--on the scale of the WTC-- before the election."


                      Maybe they'll stage one, or stage another one, or...

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 10:35 AM

Mike--

Absolutely right about bombing Iraq and leaving--Bush would have been called a hero.

But you left out a bit about propaganda in this case. As you know, it's actually more than advertising. In advertising you're not usually starting a war by choice--or tarring the opposition as evil, just not as good a product as yours. The Bush "team" sought--with wonderful success--to portray the opposition as unpatriotic. And sought to justify an unnecessary war they wanted by refusing to consider any information which didn't fit with their decision to go to war.

I have to admit something I thought I never would--you've topped me in the cynicism department. I don't think Fred Thompson has a chance. I think the US public is capable of learning--you evidently don't. I think we'll demand more than advertising this time. Anybody who continues to support the Iraq war has no chance--and I believe that he does support it. This time people will vote on substance--the war.

I hope to hell Hillary does not get the nomination--I don't trust her any further than I can throw her. But if the Republican is one of the current crop--the leaders all support the Iraq war--he can hang it up--no chance.

In a presidential election in the US , I've been taught, people either vote their pocketbooks or if there's a hot war, they vote on that basis.

Either way the Democrats now have the clear advantage--and are not likely to lose it. Even Hillary.

Unless of course there is a terrorist attack on the US--on the scale of the WTC-- before the election.

But just warning of such an attack will not save the Republicans this time.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Mike Miller
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:37 AM

Yeah, I miss 'em, too, but what we really need is Walt Kelly.
Here's the poop on propoganda. In a free society, everybody gets to use it. It is just advertising. Only the losers call it propoganda.
The Republicans were able to sell an unpopular war because, after 9/11, the country was scared and they knew that the Democrats were offering no solutions at all. It is important that the left understand the moods of the people. The Iraq war is not unpopular because it is morally wrong or expensive. If Bush had, simply, bombed the piss out of Iraq left them there to fix it themselves, he would have been called a hero and reelected by a landslide.
But, does the left understand this? Nooooooo. They are too busy telling us how wrong we are. Telling your customers that they are wrong, evil or, worse, dupes is not good sales strategy.

                      Mike

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:31 AM

"What the Jews are up to is much too meaty a topic to be ignored by the watchful conspiricy community."


                   If you're talking about Joe Lieberman, I don't think you'd need to be a conspirator or the member of a community to figure out what he's up to.


    "...Kniht uoy od thaw?"

             And the reason the "h" and the "a" have been placed in reverse order is becasue it's encrypted so only the Elders of Zion can make it out.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:19 AM

"...Let Obama get a little closer to the prize and they will jump him like a snake on a mouse..."


                     That's an interesting observation, Bobert, and these folks who seem to think there's nothing going on behind the political scene are naive in the extreme. But reflecting on what happened to Harold Ford in Tennessee, I think it would be reasonable to assume that the financial forces would just let him run, if they thought he could get the nomination. Just imagine what a bunch of Swift-Boaters could do to him.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 01:04 AM

Remember Bill and Opus's great campaign slogan?

"THIS TIME....WHY NOT THE WORST?"

I miss those guys.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:32 AM

Mike--

Since you, correctly, see the importance of image, why do you not also believe in the effectiveness of propaganda? If you have a frightened population looking for villains and scapegoats, all you have to do is tell them who to hate and fear.   At this--though nothing else-- the Bush "team" has proven its mastery. In 2004 as well as the runup to the Iraq invasion.

"Here in-- (your town, USA)-- a dirty bomb could be exploded" (strong implication--unless you vote against Kerry).

And homosexuals will marry--which will of course threaten YOUR marriage.

Don't you remember those wonderful days?

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Mike Miller
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:10 AM

I can't help it, Hawk. My similes droppeth like the gentle rain from heaven, only with a higher acid content.

                Mike

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:25 PM

"like a sparrow needs dung" ????

Now, there's an odd simile.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Mike Miller
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 10:41 PM

Good for you, Bobert. The Rigger needs backing like a sparrow needs dung. And you can't be the only two paranoids out there. Let's hear it from the fringe. Rational thought is for sissies.
Others may jeer. Bobert, but I welcome you to the fray.

                  Mike

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 09:09 PM

Yeah, I gotta agree with the Rig-ster...

The media/corportists were scared to death of Dean 'cuase they weren't at all if and how they might control him...

"The Scream" was such a joke... Goerge Bush has made "The Scream" so much part of is act that Dean's 'The Scream" seamed almost amatuer-ish...

Yet the media/corporatists jumped all over Dean as if he was some kinda friggin' alien from outter space...

Yeah, this was a hatychet job by the medain/corporatists... But they have gotten real good at it... Let Obama get a little closer to the prize and they will jump him like a snake on a mouse... Hillary??? Nah, she is one of them... Edwards??? Hmmmmmm??? I think Edwards might put up a decent defense aginst a media/coprporatists attcak but I don't think Edwards is far enough outta of the mainstream for them do do a hatchet job on him... But ya never know...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Mike Miller
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 08:05 PM

Actually, they hoped that his ketchup connection might make him easy prey for Col. Mustard, in the kitchen with the cleaver.
What the Jews are up to is much too meaty a topic to be ignored by the watchful conspiricy community. I wonder how we keep giving ourselves away. Maybe, it's this reading from right to left thing.
Kniht uoy od thaw?

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 05:47 PM

Yes, that's the lady. My understanding was, she was a pretty good bridge player, but personally, I don't know the first thing about the game.

       As far as what the Elders of Zion and the Jews are doing, I guess that's their business. But getting back to the 2004 presidential race, I think the financial powers in place thought that because Kerry was married to that Heinz woman, they could turn the whole thing into a race between oil and ketchup.
       The fact that they were unable to come up with the mantra--"The 57 Varieties of John Kerry"--only speaks to their lack of imagination.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Mike Miller
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 04:32 PM

That "dead Washington Post lady" was Katherine Graham and she would have been ineligable for membership in the dreaded Elders of Zion by gender, liniage and philosophy. Warren Buffet is a decent amateur bridge player, Gates is more of a novice.
The Elders of Zion would have no time or interest in our politics. They are too busy grinding up the bones of Christian children to make matzos for the seder. Most Jews have never heard of the Elders of Zion. They are more involved in amassing money and power and mongrelising races. Sometimes, I wonder when the find time to sleep.

             Mike

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:48 AM

I think it was Warren Buffet and the lady who used to own the Washington Post but died who were bridge partners. I think any sane person would be afraid to play bridge with Bill Gates.

                   In addition to that, I was unaware that Dave VanRonk had gotten solvent--are we talking paint solvent here (acetone maybe)?

                   And yes, the dead Washington Post lady would fit right in witht the Elders of Zion. Maybe that's where we should begin our search.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Mike Miller
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 08:57 AM

Seems like old times. I am so glad to read Riginslinger's posts. Folk hasn't been blessed by such imaginative conspiracy rants since Dave VanRonk got solvent. The "international corporate powers" are gettin' together again, are they. I've heard they are being financed by the Elders of Zion but I don't want to start any rumors. It is true that Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are bridge partners. I wonder what Mr. Riginslinger will make of that.

                Mike

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 08:01 AM

I think the 2004 election was rigged in a different way than the corporate media reports it. Going into Iowa Howard Dean was a shoo-in for the nomination. Somehow Kerry won. I don't think this all has to do with Democrats. The international corporate powers wanted to make sure that if their Bush puppet didn't win, they'd have a Democrat puppet to take his place, so they selected the weakest candidate in the field and financed him.

                     I really think they did more than that.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Mike Miller
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 02:17 AM

I was referring to Fred Thompson's role on television as "on the side of the good guys". This gives him a positive image and, in politics, everything is perception.
I didn't say he was my choice. He is my prediction. My choice is for the 76ers to win the NBA finals. My prediction is somewhat different.
That the Democrats could "screw up a wet dream" has been shown over and over again. Since 1952, their election record is atrocious. These clowns were to busy fighting among themselves to defeat the least popular president of modern history, in the middle of an unpopular, unwinnable war during hard times. You can claim the election was rigged, all you like, but it was just the Democrats shooting themselves in the foot, again.
The American populace is not well represented in this forum. Americans, in general, are more conservative than Mudcatters. That's how Bushes and Nixons and Reagans get elected. The chance of a real progressive being nominated, by either party, is teeny.
So, get ready to call whoever wins "the worst president in history", which you will, although the incumbant has raised the bar to new depths.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 12:05 AM

"...like another proud Right Winger,"

            There could be no proud Right Wingers. They're all
crooked.

                "He is on the side of the good guys."

            Whoops! I thought you said he was a Right Winger.

      
            "The Democrats could screw up a wet dream..."

          The Republicans are a wet dream.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Mike Miller
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 11:39 PM

I really think that the next president will be Fred Thompson. My reasons are few but time tested.

He is an old time conservative who will own the "base" and yet, like another proud Right Winger, his image and folksy speaking skills will charm America, just like Ron did.

His image, to Americans, is linked to his role on Law and Order. There, he is the voice of conservative, practical reason. He is on the side of the good guys. He is the boss of the good guys.

The Democrats could screw up a wet dream.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 05:22 PM

"couldn't be worse than the status quo....."

Well, there must be millions of Americans of which that could be said.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 04:37 PM

I agree with Riginslinger. Reagan opened a door to nasty things.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 07:50 AM

"...well,there was one actor, maybe another wouldn'tbe so bad..."


             As terrible as the first one was, why would we want another?

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 12:46 AM

Yes -- I did read it earlier. But this was a face to face conversation recently which seemed to bring it into better perspective.......well,there was one actor, maybe another wouldn'tbe so bad.........couldn't be worse than the status quo.....

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 12:30 AM

Hmmmm Truebrit, read up top. There are several of us saying it.

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 11:30 PM

I heard someone say in all seriousness that the next president will be Fred Thompson....

Subject: RE: BS: And the next US President will be
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Jul 07 - 11:46 AM

I saw a Cheney-Voldemort 08 bumper sticker...