Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 01:49 PM

I like the song. What's the problem with that?   It's no big deal...I just happen to hate the wankerbankers and believe that never before has the corruption run so deep, or touched so many, whilst there has been not a sound of dissent from anyone...

Once, we used to take to the streets.

Now, we are just living out on them, dejected, depressed and disgruntled, but with no voice, as those in control of the media will not let voices out, as they themselves have been 'strangled' by the legal system.

And so, we sit, silent, imprisoned in this Land of Democratic Freedom, where most of us seem to have been brainwashed into Hearing No Evil, Seeing No Evil and Speaking of No Evil by those whose bible consists of Arrogance, Ignorance and Greed.


Below is part of the reason why we now live in 'The AGE of AIG'


'VOICE?' by Tony Stringfellow

"I hear no voice
As I turn my ears to the crowd
Just a silent muttering
Sighs of discontentment in a maze of opinions
Pale faces of placid expression
Mouthing words of shallow intention
Eyes lost in a glaze of chat room jargon
Where is your voice?
In a world wide connection
Comes the distraction
Souls lost in a web of virtual backchat
Faces masked by an illusion of user names and passwords
Your words are safe within their cyber disguise
The narrator cannot be traced
He cannot be faced to account for his debate
Where is your voice?
Lennon called for peace
Geldof called for food to end starvation
Bono called for money to banish poverty to extinction
Dylan called to us all
The angry protest singer
Who denied the label
Joan Baez marched in anger
Hand in hand with each rebel
Punks stood up to be counted - in zips
The causes of youth dripping like spit from their lips
They brandished sex pistols at authority
And were obscene with clarity
They all had a voice!
Where is the spunk of youth?
It is twitching ..pads
Over texted on phones
Lost in reverberating drones and monotones
Of abbreviated conversation
With meaningless direction
A wasted labrinth of vocabulary
Where is your voice?
Where is the passion of protest?
The scream of discontent
The eruption of brave intent
That gives you breath to breathe?
Where are the violent shouts of compassion
That vomits from the essence of youthful abstraction?
Where are the flag bearers of your minds?

WHERE IS YOUR VOICE? "

Tony's Myspace

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: glueman
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 11:58 AM

Srange = Strange in sticky keyboard world.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: glueman
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 11:56 AM

I reckon you like declamatory, bombastic songs like AIG or you don't. For my two pennorth it's like being hit repeatedly over the head by - I almost said a pub folk singer.

Whither allusion? Where subtlety and the unexpected cut of a lyric, a Hard Rain or a Srange Fruit? The sentiment is fine, the execution overbearing. I expect SoH know their audience.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 10:30 AM

LC ' slightly unhinged 'Flashmeister, the meister of the understatement.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Flashmeister
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 10:27 AM

Wincers of the world unite! :-P
Of course like any opinion on a band's/individual's creative output it is all highly subjective though it just seems somewhat of a paradox that two such accomplished musicians have created what is essentially fairly mediocre music when together.
ho-hum!

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: melodeonboy
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 09:52 AM

Flashmeister: Your thoughts on SoH are almost identical to mine. The whole being less than the sum of the parts!

Let's wince together!

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST,John from Kemsing
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 09:35 AM

Lizzie,
       There is very little new in our world, not least the folk music world. Woody Guthrie sang about what he saw as social injustices and Pete seeger sang the Les Rice song castigating the financial world with his "The Banks Are Made of Marble" in the 1950`s. Even contributions from such well respected social commentators as those made not one jot of difference. I think the same will result from a few singers over here expressing their dis-satisfaction. Whether we like it or not, without those greedy, arrogant, adventurous, risking, entrepreneurial, chancers we could all still be living in caves and keeping our modesty with loin cloths. Look around you. For everything you see and enjoy is the result of someone somewhere risking their talents in order to achieve a dream and improve their lot.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Flashmeister
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 09:21 AM

After tentatively reading through this thread it is with quaking hand that I type an opinion for fear of rattling the cage of LC who appears to be slightly unhinged!
In my local session last week a chap did a SoH song (unbeknowst to me at the time as I'm not too keen on Beer/Knightley in that manifestation) and it was a fine song with good sentiment and when pared down to bloke-with-guitar-and-voice rawness appealed far more to my ear than the original which i gave a listen to on the back of liking this chap's version. They almost feel a little over produced on some of the songs (AIG no real exception) and I do feel that it is the broader appeal to a more watered down folky-cum-popular fanbase that SoH have endured. It seems a wee bit of a shame as Phil Beer and Steve Knightley are both fine musicians in their own right let down perhaps by a neutering of their respective talents in the SoH guise.

now wincing in anticipation of replies!!

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Smedley
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 08:35 AM

who is Lizzie cornish and what is her problem with the world



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Now that, I suspect, is going to get a response or two.......

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST,johnp
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 08:16 AM

who is Lizzie cornish and what is her problem with the world

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: mattkeen
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 07:10 AM

Chris Wood been touring "Grand Correction" for over a year

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Morris-ey
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 05:08 AM

Steve Tilston even...the guy's a prophet.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Morris-ey
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 05:07 AM

<>

Steve Tislston wrote Pretty Penny 2 years ago...

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 04:50 AM

"I understand AIG won the BBC Folk Award for best song..."

Excellent. And so it should have done. It's a hugely important song, because at last, someone's talking about the crippling corruption that has been allowed to go on..and is STILL allowed to be going on.

Let's hope that Radio 2 and the BBC in general, now has the guts to finally let songs like these out on their mainstream shows.

It's up to Show of Hands new fans to now try to spread the word on their behalf, which I truly hope they do.

I suggest they start with the BBC messageboards....(note the s there)

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: nickp
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 04:17 AM

I understand AIG won the BBC Folk Award for best song. And SOH the best duo.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 03:45 PM

Well, to get back to the song involved....'Arrogance, Ignorance and Greed' is about the WankerBankers, but it's strange how this thread seems to have attracted two who perhaps have lost the title of 'bankers', existing only as their first part of their title.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 03:08 PM

Dave Dave, pick up thy musket.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 02:31 PM

Ralphie, don't mention Albion. It will revive memories of Sam.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 01:40 PM

Show of Hands? (Nothing wrong with them. It wasn't their fault after all)
More like, Head In Hands where I'm sitting.
Why do the words.....Sycophantic, Childish, Patronising, and Peurile spring to mind?
Good Grief.
Lizzie...Haven't you've got to save "Albion" ?
Off you go then, there's a good girl. Have fun.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 12:38 PM

Phil Neer? LOL

Beer..Beer!

Ooh, Captain..there's mean!

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 12:31 PM

There are some that might say that Show of Hands these days are the picture in Mawkin:Causley's attic.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 12:23 PM

Well, as Phil Neer has produced Jim's CD recently, I'd have thought that Jim and Steve know each other pretty well.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: glueman
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 11:31 AM

Did anyone else think Jim Causely was humouring Steve Knightly on his radio show?

I do hope so.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 08:40 AM

Do you think this short film could have acted as inspiration to Show of Hands?

And I have a friend in Cheshire who pointed this out. Thanks.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: mandotim
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 06:58 AM

Sounds fabulous Will, I'd love to see some pictures of that! I assume the un-capoed tuning would be something like FCGDA? You'd need a hell of a string to produce that low F if it's in mandocello tuning. If it's a mandolin on the 7th fret though, does that mean the top four strings are a fifth below a mandolin? (i.e. mandola tuning?) A true mandocello is an octave and a fifth below the mandolin; the same relationship as the cello to the violin.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Will Fly
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 04:54 AM

My luthier friend Ian (who has made several instruments for me, with a parlour guitar to come) has just completed a commission for a baritone mandocello/cittern. This best has 5 double courses of strings tuned in 5ths but with an extra bass course. It has a massive body and a long neck. Capo'ing it on the 7th fret produces a mandolin. Ian brought it to the session last night to give it a breaking in before the final finish - it had a huge sound. I had a quick burst of the "Woodchopper's Reel" on the beast, and it was a fair old stretch for the fingers.

I'll post some pics when he's finished it, before it goes off to the customer.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: theleveller
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 03:51 AM

Interesting stuff, Mandotim. Yes, I've seen octaves in many shapes and sizes. The main difference between them and SK's mandocello seems to be the width of the neck. My own Hathway octave (now sold) had a fairly narrow neck. Scale length on octaves also seems to be a matter of maker's preference. Citterns are a complete free-for-all as to size, shape and tuning.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: mandotim
Date: 01 Feb 10 - 03:28 AM

Hi leveller; actually, the form of the instrument is much the same as an octave mandolin, with a teardrop shaped body and four unison paired courses. The body is slightly bigger, but there are 'big' octave mandolins around (I have one made by Rob Armstrong in the 1980s that is much the same size as the Oddy that SK plays). The true mandocello (as used in the old mandolin orchestras) is bigger still, usually with a carved top and back (the Gibson K series instruments are perhaps the best known.) There are also variants with guitar shaped bodies, with both arched and flat tops, as well as the teardrop shapes we are discussing. The tuning is really the important thing, especially the difference between GDAE or GDAD and the 'true' mandocello tuning of CGDA. The strings are very different gauges, and the sound is completely different, with far more bass from the mandocello.
Tim

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: taddylad
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 07:39 PM

Well, some people write a lot on this Website and some of it I do'nt know why, e.g. for example Borchester Echo says I have had a gift but I have'nt. Is this like you can get a free parker pen when you buy insurance which I have seen on TV? because if you can get free Cds etc on the Internet,especially Folk I would like to know where. If anyone knows,thankyou.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: theleveller
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 03:41 PM

"the instrument is more properly called an octave mandolin"

Well no, not really. Like the modern cittern ('invented' by Stephan Sobell), what Steve plays is a hybrid sort of instrument, based on an instrument that Paul Downse..."discovered in a Brighton antique shop...that became the template for the ones I play and that David Oddy continues to build." (Steve Knightley Songbook.)The tuning is immaterial - I tuined my first cittern in the same way, with the fifth tuned to D (I now use GCGDG) - the form of the instrument is very diffecent to an octave mandolin/mandol aor ahjtever youi care to call it. A rose by any other name......

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: theleveller
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 03:20 PM

"this will do a lot of damage to the image of english folk music which is very highly thought of and does not need this blatent vandalism.

in a word........RUBBISH. "

As usual, Boko, you're completely missing the point. The song is slagging off your greedy banker mates - the flyers are being posted where these arrogant bastards can see them. They are the vandals who are destroying our society just so that they can earn obscene bonuses.

Get it now? Or are you talking your usual load of...in a word....BOLLOCKS?

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 12:20 PM

I'm being ignored....Result!

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 08:39 AM

To return to the first post -

I see that Show Of Hands have done a video of themselves on the internet plastering self-publicity over buildings in London about their new record. I thought they were supposed to be a folk-singing group and I think this will do a lot of damage to the image of english folk music which is very highly thought of and does not need this blatent vandalism.

in a word........RUBBISH.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 07:55 AM

Aha!! All has become a shaft of light! Thanks for that, I've never come across the word 'mandocello' before.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: mandotim
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 07:07 AM

Strictly speaking, Wikipedia is wrong again. (Surprised?) Steve Knightly plays a large bodied instrument with four courses of unison paired strings, tuned an octave below the mandolin, with the top string tuned down to D. (He sometimes plays in GDAE, and occasionally in ADAD). Tuned like this, the instrument is more properly called an octave mandolin. A true mandocello has much heavier strings (a bass string of around 0.070") and is tuned CGDA, an octave below a mandola. To confuse things even further, some people mistakenly refer to an octave mandolin as a mandola, tenor mandola or octave mandola, all of which it isn't. A mandola is slightly larger than a mandolin, and is tuned a fifth below, i.e. CGDA.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 06:19 AM

"Steve Knightley of the English folk-rock band Show of Hands is also well-known for playing it, however his mandocellos are tuned GDAD with the top course often played open."

Taken from the link below, under the heading 'Image in Contemporary Music'...

Mandocello - Wiki

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 06:18 AM

"Steve Knightley of the English folk-rock band Show of Hands is also well-known for playing it, however his mandocellos are tuned GDAD with the top course often played open."

Taken from the link below, under the heading 'Image in Contemporary Music'...

Mandocello - Wiki

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 06:05 AM

Just to digress slightly, this looks like a good place to get answer. What tuning does Steve Knightley use on his Octave Mandolin? I have worked out a lot of their tunes by ear in GDAE, but I suspect he uses GDAD. Anyone know?

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 05:00 AM

You're not saying that Taddy has a "gift" are you? Jeez, not another . . .

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignor
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 04:46 AM

"Taddylad" - respect to you! You're a comedy genius. Please post more often.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: taddylad
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 08:43 PM

Wow!! this was the first time I have written to the Internet after some friends told me about it and I am amazed that it is so popular. I do'nt really understand some of the things that people have said on this "messageboard" but its great to know that Folk music is "alive and well" since the old days.

I suppose that the Yetties & the Dubliners are quite old now but I can still play there Lps on my record player,although I have got a "Sony" CD player now. Not being wealthy I do'nt buy many CDs per year but I am going to buy some more Folk, having done a lot of "browsing" recently. I will defiantley buy one by Show Of Hands, to add to my other Folk CDs e.g. Riverdance, James Blunt etc. If only I had more money!!!

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 08:14 PM

"Of course Vaughan was polite when he responded to your e-mails. That's his job. But he told me this summer that he dearly hoped, with Phil's public statement, that they'd finally heard the last from you. I told him not to bank on it."

Vaughan was very nice to me when I told him he had some BNP blokes on the Show of Hands page a while back now. He did drive me bats though by refusing to play full Show of Hands tracks on their Myspace page, or alter the tracks. It's why I never played a Show of Hands track on my Myspace page ("What?" they all said, in shocked surprise)...because I won't ever play samples of a track. If people want their music heard, then let it BE heard, don't snippet and snappet it. Bad move on his part.


"Steve also e-mailed me last year to apologise for the abuse I was getting from you in their "defense". Which was nice, as we've since become quite friendly."

No surprises there then.. ;0) And it was very gracious of him to do so, after you'd said you'd rather stick pins in your eyes than listen to their music. It's amazing, ain't it, how popular you can become when you start to be the artistist director of Sidmouth Festival...and when you know Dashing Derek too... ;0)

I do hope that you were equally gracious to Steve for your rude and insensitive remarks about his music...and that you've learnt never to do that to any artist again.

"It is very clear that the whole of the Show of Hands team would be very happy if you would simply leave them alone."

Er....I do leave them alone, dinkums. And, for your information, it was me who zapped their pages from mine...but again, that was a strange one, because if they loathed me as much as you state, then why did Phil allow me on his Chudleigh Roots page and Steve on his solo page, let alone Vaughan on the Show of Hands page....and if you ever took the trouble to notice, I never left messages on their pages, nor embarrassed the hell out of them on Myspace in any way..

I did write a very extensive review of their Royal Albert Hall gig, but removed it, despite the lovely comments I had on there from people who were there at the gig, or had missed it and felt they were 'almost there' after reading it and seeing those smashing photos that were taken of the evening...

"But if you persist in embarrassing yourself in this manner, I guess there's little to stop you, save a restraining order."

Eh? Hang on a mo.....I'm not embarrassed, but you're trying your best to do that to me...

Time to bring in 'guest eliza' and 'guest phil' again, I guest...in fact, let's not stop there, let's bring in 'guest steve' and 'guest vaughan' 'guest miranda' and 'guest brad'....

Although, Brad's a strange happening, 'cos I heard it was Brad who made the Sidmouth Gestapo video...and he was the only person in Myspace who ever refused to be a 'friend' on my page...out of over 1,000 people...which is kinda weird..

Anyways oops...I'll leave you to froth at the mouth in here now, whilst ignoring 'guest ralph' totally.

I'm off to bed...

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 05:39 PM

It bears repeating. (Sorry lizzie if it's not quite an accurate quote)
"Walking down Sidmouth sea front, one night. Passing the Bedford Hotel... In one room there was Patterson, Jordan, Dipper.....In the other...There were musicians."
Sort of sums it up for me.
Look forward to seeing you, Lizzie at the Radway musos re-union in a few weeks time.
(Bet you don't turn up though)

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 05:25 PM

Lizzie. I'm eternally grateful that you don't like me anymore.
Best thing thats ever happened to me.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 03:43 PM

Of course Vaughan was polite when he responded to your e-mails. That's his job. But he told me this summer that he dearly hoped, with Phil's public statement, that they'd finally heard the last from you. I told him not to bank on it.

Steve also e-mailed me last year to apologise for the abuse I was getting from you in their "defense". Which was nice, as we've since become quite friendly. It is very clear that the whole of the Show of Hands team would be very happy if you would simply leave them alone. But if you persist in embarrassing yourself in this manner, I guess there's little to stop you, save a restraining order.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 02:28 PM

As I replied to the post above, at the time...I've not seen Show of Hands for well over 2 years now. I have also, as you well know, never met either of them. And why would you think that Steve Knightley would even begin to imagine I was at the Folk Awards, Diane?

Look, just so as you two get this straight...I used to write to someone who was in contact with Steve and Phil all the time, and at no time was there ever any mention of Steve shaking in his shoes, nor of Phil crying in his bedsocks at night over me...Honest! :0)

I was also in contact with Vaughan, their manager, over on myspace, about a few things now and then, and again, Vaughan always wrote to me in a polite, kind manner.

And it's a mystery, ain't it, why Steve would have written his song on Cruel River, which he was inspired to write because of my saying that 'all would be quiet on the South Western Front' from now on'..and he wrote to thank me for that little bit of inspiration, via our mutual friend.

I'm sorry if that incenses you, girls, but...c'est la vie.

Oh, and if you can find anything remotely 'boybandish' in my post from last night about where their song 'Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed' takes me, then please post the slobberings here....because it seems to me that you guys read completely different posts to the ones I put down.

Now stop moaning at ME and get yourselves writing about your new heroes, because we're all gettin' awful fed up of you both posting Phil Beer's letter all the time, in the vain hope that it'll embarrass the hell out of me.

If a song is good, I'll write about it, although I'd prefer to have the utmost respect for those who've written it, but there ya go..I wrote about it, now you girls go off and write about it too, because the world would LOVE to know what you think, rather than your continuous boring 'Lizzie's been rejected!' syndrome....

If you like Steve and Phil so much, respect them so much, then bloody well stop copying and pasting and use your own words to write inspirational words about them.

Thankooooo :0)

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 02:11 PM

Bought the CD in Sevenoaks this afternoon, and excellent it is too. Great Mexican lunch in Zapata - wasn't that a spaghetti western character played by Lee Van Cleef?

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 02:06 PM

I mentioned that Phil Beer wrote what he did 8 months ago in order to emphasise that in the intervening time you had done nothing whatsoever to comply with his and others wishes that you shut the fuck up. He also said:

Please forgive me posting this in one thread when it is relevant to several, and indeed to other boards as well. (Please feel free to cut and paste, anyone who chooses to!)

The first time I realised that these artists were so dismayed by your antics was when I heard that Steve Knightley was asking nervously at the Folk Awards 5 years ago: "She's not here, is she?

Do set the poor blokes' minds at rest and confirm that you are not going next Monday.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 01:48 PM

I'm not aware that his, or Steve's, feelings have changed.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 01:44 PM

Now, of course, a decent, honest person would have pointed out that the post from Phil Beer, above, was from months ago, relating to a different thread...

Thank you to Diane,(La Borchester) though, for doing exactly that.