BS: World Cup 2010

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 02:50 PM

hi

"what's up with Rooney??"

I said below that as a long-time Manchester United supporter who watches them live most weeks, I have never seen Rooney as inneffective as he is at the World Cup.

This is not normal for him. He is usually the opposite. When the team is losing Rooney chases everywhere all the match and his attitude and ability rubs off on his colleagues. He has pulled many games out of the fire by his total involvement.

In South Africa he is but a shadow of his self and has been so ever since he got injured three month's ago. He is so important to the team that he has been played when he is not fit and although he played better today than in the first two games I still maintain he is not fully fit.

If I am right it is nonsense to try and patch him up to play if he is not 100% fit. It is not fair to Rooney nor to his team-mates. At this level of football you have to be totally fit both in mind and body.

But we won and although the score was close wwe should have won much more easily. Bring on the Germans.....if they manage to get through !!!

Congratulations to USA they fully deserved to qualify as top of the Group.

Last but not least Happy Birthdat Arthur....

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 02:46 PM

BTW. During the England game shown live here (Canada) on CBC TV, the vuvuzelas were nearly silent. On the same network, the US game, already played and then shown recorded, they were very loud.

Odd to me.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 02:30 PM

Well done England and USA!!!

My throat is sore. I get rather, ahhhh, "interactive" when I watch the games.

What's up with Rooney? I don't mean His not finishing as it was obvious he did what he could on target... that last one was an amazing save by the tender, just barely getting his fingers where they needed to be for the deflection. I mean his eyes, his demeanour, his body language. He just seemed to be distant... disinterested. Is he still pissed about the England fans booing?

If he is, I can't say as I blame him. I know others have said they had every right to boo, but I disagree. Not one of the people booing were on the pitch. To me, it's the old saying, "If you can do better, you are welcome to take my place." And, being a Canuck with attitude and no manners, I would add, "Or fuck off." Which was what I saw on his face today.... I wonder???

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 12:21 PM

Germany - think world war 2 and we will win :-)
Don't mention the war :-)

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 12:17 PM

I kept telling Capello to start with Defoe but would he listen? And well done the USA also - Donovan is a real star. Unfortunately the US has knocked us into second spot and no doubt Germany will be waiting for us on Sunday - that should be known after tonight's games. Well, we've beaten Germany 5-1 before now but that's when Owen was in his prime.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 11:48 AM

Thanks BWM

James Millner man of the match.

Great result for my birthday. Thankyou thankyou thankyou :-)

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Mr Happy
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 10:32 AM

Ingerland uno pointe, Slovenia nil pointe!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 09:29 AM

Happy Birthday Arfa!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 09:11 AM

The team
England team v Slovenia: James; Johnson, Terry, Upson, A Cole; Milner, Barry, Lampard, Gerrard; Defoe, Rooney

I think I might have been tempted to leave Lampard out and put Crouch in. It's shit or bust. We have to get goals. Rooney, Defoe and Crouch would give their defence a tough time.

I hope England make my 65th birthday a wonderful one, by getting into the next round.

Come on England.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 08:29 AM

there is acompletely different way of looking at Englands performances, They are unbeaten

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:59 AM

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: alanabit - PM
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 04:24 AM

"No one expects the US to play as badly against them as England did!
In view of what our side has achieved so far, I think we England fans had better maintain a discreet silence... "

hi

alanabit

I agree that the USA should win today. England's sorry displays so far leaves them in a hazardous position.,,,,,,however.... badly as we have played we have not really had any chances made by the opposition to score in either game. The goal scored against us was a momentous error by Green but other than that there has only been one other chance created against us.

We have to keep that up but score at least a couple of goals and put some passion and feeling into our play.

It's wake-up time England !!!

They have the ability now it's time to show it.

I believe they can do it.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:55 AM

Yes, Mr. Happy, they, too, could be moulded in their millions - and more than one note, I noticed.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Mr Happy
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:24 AM

The Slovenes may be blowing these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divje_Babe_flute

The Jive Babe Flute, great name!!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: TopcatBanjo
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 06:28 AM

Meanwhile, staying ON topic.....

Yes, I agree completely with Arnie that the French are making a richly-deserved early exit, ha ha ha. Unfortunately we are likely to be following them in short order if our spoiled millionaires don't get their act in order this afternoon. Hey-ho.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 04:44 AM

Football aside, Ljubljana, in Slovenia, is definitely one of the most beautiful cities I visited on my walkabouts.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: alanabit
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 04:24 AM

The US were certainly robbed, but they will qualify this afternoon if they beat Algeria. I think they have every chance. No one expects the US to play as badly against them as England did!
In view of what our side has achieved so far, I think we England fans had better maintain a discreet silence...

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: olddude
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 03:29 PM

the US was robbed,   what a crap call!!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 03:24 PM

Nice to see that the French mutineers lost 2-1 to S Africa and are now homeward bound to face a government enquiry. They only qualified at Ireland's expense by Handball Henri's cheating. I see he came on as a sub in the second half which I think was his only contribution in this competition and he didn't get a chance to 'lend a hand' this time. It's a pity that S Africa haven't progressed to the next round - they performed really well and made the French look like the underdogs. The delicious irony of course is that the first SA goal was later shown to have gone in off the shoulder, so a handball! What comes around goes around as they say..

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 11:32 AM

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: SPB-Cooperator - PM
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 04:15 AM

"I wonder if these days whether the world cup is a celebration of the best in world football, or a celebration of the worst...."

Both I think !!!

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 09:41 AM

The E.U., Les, should be dissolved - as I've said here, apart from some local government, all any citizen of our world needs is their own nation and the United Nations.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Les from Hull
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 09:33 AM

Not only is that a really stupid idea, it would be also illegal under current EU legislation.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 08:29 AM

Well it's certainly gone that way GSS - the stat. that no nation has won a W.C. with a foreign manager is more likely to end this time - many have done as you say. Either way, I hope FIFA change the rule ready for the next Worl Cup.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: TopcatBanjo
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 08:29 AM

"I shall try to watch a bit closer next time TopcatBanjo!"
Can't say fairer than that alanabit!   ;o)

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 07:23 AM

I think each national team needs to employ the best manager they can afford regardless of anything else, so a manager gets employed purely on merit, that means nationality is irrelevant unless the nationailty is a hindrance [inabilty to communicate with players through inabilty to speak the language].
so then an interpreter is employed, I dont know whether an interpreter overcomes the language problem or not, I dont know enough about it to make an informed opinion .

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 07:22 AM

No worries for England now.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 06:16 AM

...why can't we agree on this, GSS - if managers are not important to the COMPETITION, why are foreign managers employed/payed a fortune...we prefer proper/fair play don't we?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 06:07 AM

hello WAV, long time no hear, I Have missed you, cant say I agree.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 05:46 AM

As I've been saying for years (here, e.g.), FIFA should change the rule such that managers can only compete for their OWN nation. And the appointment of, e.g., Capello - win, lose, or draw - IS a disgrace to two nations.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 04:15 AM

I wonder if these days whether the world cup is a celebration of the best in world football, or a celebration of the worst....

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 08:02 PM

Seen in the rear window of a car in Kingston (on Thames):

Two signs which together read:

England - Powered by Fairy Dust

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 03:06 PM

Oops... "first"? Freudian slip?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 03:05 PM

No doubt BRA was at the diving and feigning. It seems a part of Spanish football. And, yes, it has been taken up by many others, but they seem to "push it" to the extreme, especially the SA's.

I hope that ref that let two handballs go on the second BRA goal gets "called in" by FIFA like the last blatant screwup resulted in.

BTW, that fist ESP goal was absolutely stunning!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: alanabit
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 02:42 PM

I guess we see these things differently. I thought the "tackling" by the Ivory Coast was shocking. I saw some of the action replays on German TV and I reckon if I had been getting roughed up like that, I might have fallen over too. There is always going to be the odd borderline case of whether the ball has hit the chest or the shoulder and last night Fabiano got the run of the green. To me it looked like a moment of sublime skill, but I do like Brazilian football, I will admit. Could be I am watching through rose tinted spectacles. I shall try to watch a bit closer next time TopcatBanjo!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Acorn4
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 12:02 PM

i think I once heard a documentary on Brian Clough where it was said to be part of his genius in that he sometimes din't let players know if they were in the team until the last moment.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 09:35 AM

Piece of piss for Portugal.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: TopcatBanjo
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 08:55 AM

One more thing about cheating Brazil - nice touch to see Brazil player (was it Lucio?) pulling Drogba's injured arm - classy!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 06:15 AM

Fun and games in the French camp then. Anelka was always a sulky sod and what he said to the coach Domenech could not really go unpunished. However, for the whole French team to then refuse to train shows how bad things are in that camp. At least England players had a reportedly civilised meeting with Capello last night and have aired a few 'issues'. I think they've told Capello to play 4-3-2-1 or something similar, tell players they've been selected more than 2hrs before the match and get Joe Cole on the pitch! Being Capello, it is unlikely that he will take any notice of the players's demands as this would spoil his carefully-cultivated image of aloofness.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: TopcatBanjo
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 04:01 AM

Yes, the red card against Kaka was a disgrace, but HELLO, didn't you notice that Brazil had spent the previous hour diving, simulating and trying to get Ivory Coast players booked?! Hoist by their own petard in my opinion! Not to mention the dirty cheats and their 2 x handball goal! And there was the referee laughing and joking with them about it...because we all love Brazil, don't we? Ugh.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Bert
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 02:57 AM

Why not play the soccer World Cup with a soccer ball and have a JABULANI world cup for the new ball?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: alanabit
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 12:51 AM

That red card against Kaka was a disgrace. The prod with his forearm against the opponent's chest was so harmless that it would have been allowed in professional wrestling. The guy then dived clutching his face. The horrible foul on Bulmer Elano probably finished the tournament for one of Brazil's best players. The tackling from the Ivory Coast was just ghastly. I thought Brazil looked pretty tasty last night. Thank God England will probably not be in the tournament long enough to come up against them!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 08:34 PM

To misquote an English supporter's them ( Football's coming home)

England's comin' home
They can't get through.
England's coming home,
They're feelin' blue!



Cheers
Nigel (Welsh with a feeling of schadenfreude!!)

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 07:53 PM

Yip. The red card against Kaka was bull. They never bothered to
review it. At least Brazil won, I have them picked to win it all.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 04:36 PM

It started at the last substitution. I said to myself... that look in his eyes says he is going on the pitch to injure someone. Seconds later, it started. And it did not stop. What a bunch of nasty crap!

And, when buddy tried to run into to Kaka "inadvrtently" what was Kaka supposed to do? Let him? And he barely touched the pussy wimp.

Minds me of Canuck hockey... yer goin down so go out and injure. Sickening.

That second goal was not a goal due to what should have been handball penalties, but to take that anger and turn it into injuries and insult really pisses me off.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 04:19 PM

Disgraceful from the Ivory coast player.

The Tv shows that Kaka didn't do anything.

Football needs to get rid of cheats like that.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Acorn4
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 04:07 PM

The most entertaining bit so far has been Robbie Savage's commentary on Italy v New Zealand on Five Live.

Absolutely hilarious at times!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 03:30 PM

Now, that there goal was purrrdy!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 03:22 PM

Its nice to see a sanctioning body with some balls and good sense in one package. Many have one or the other but few have both.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 12:53 PM

I am looking forward to see how Drogba does today. Not familiar with many others on either side.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 12:50 PM

I did not see it, but a buddy of mine told me it was atrocious. If so, he shouldn't be allowed on the picth.

Hmmm... maybe FIFA would be unwise to throw him off the pitch? Too much controversy?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 10:18 AM

And even the Kiwis are getting in on the act - they're leading Italy, the WC holders, 1-0! Shame that Smeltz was about half a yard offside when he scored but wrong decisions seem to be a feature of WC matches, especially this year. On the subject of rubbish decisions, I see that the Malian ref who disallowed the US winning goal has been called in for a chat by Fifa. The betting is that he will play no further part in the competition other than running the line.