BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 08:15 PM

More non-politics of Jonothhan Sacks
ON BDS
ON GAZA
ON GAZA AGAIN
"ANTI - ZIONISTS ARE ANTI SEMITES"
DEHUMANISING PALESTINIANS
And
THE ISRAELI LOBBY and the CANADIAN ELECTIONS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 07:39 PM

The Non-political Jonathan Sachs
"But his public image belies a more complex character, often seen as too much under the thumb of the Orthodox right. Perhaps his least attractive side was revealed in his refusal to attend the funeral of the widely popular Rabbi Hugo Gryn. Unwilling to dignify a Reform event with his presence, he agreed to attend a memorial service in recognition of his fellow Radio 4-er "not as a Reform rabbi but as a survivor of the Holocaust". Being a member of the Reform movement, Rabbi Gryn was a part of a "false grouping" and one of "those who destroy the faith", Lord Sacks wrote in subsequently leaked private correspondence. Reform rabbis reacted angrily: "It seems that, constantly, the chief rabbinate is forced into two conversations, embodying two sets of language and two messages tailored to the respective recipients."

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 06:45 PM

After every 'Friends of Israel' link you have put up
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 06:43 PM

"Whoops"
Are you really challenging all those links?
Unbelievable
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 05:50 PM

Then why is he commenting on politics one-sidedly from his position of authority, a position that gives him access to publicity for his opinions?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 05:24 PM

(fair dos - that's his job)

No. He is a rabbi, not a political activist (unlike Yves Engler who Jim just linked too. Whoops.)

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 04:03 AM

Whoops
CANADA'S SLAVISH SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 08:32 PM

Ah yes. The good Chief Rabbi. As always, Jonathan, he of soft voice and Thought For The Day, is obsessed with being defensive about Israel (fair dos - that's his job) but he has nothing to say about the plight of the Palestinians both in Israel and in Gaza. Poor old Jonathan doesn't know Jack shit about science either, does he? Rabbis and archbishops should stick to religion. They get the oxygen of publicity, totally undeserved, because of their eminence in their respective faiths. I think I'd rather listen to the England cricket captain, frankly.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 03:19 PM

Israeli Lobbies


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-truth-about-the-uks-powerful-jewish-lobbies-9702262.html
Britain

AMERICA

EUROPE

CANADA

AUSTRALIA


http://www.globalresearch.ca/whos-afraid-of-the-israel-lobby/5436712
General
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/introlobby.html
America

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-truth-about-the-uks-powerful-jewish-lobbies-9702262.html
Britain

http://dvcronin.blogspot.ie/2010/11/how-israel-lobby-dictates-eu-policy.html
Europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Engler
Canada

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.586788
Australia

http://www.globalresearch.ca/whos-afraid-of-the-israel-lobby/5436712
General



http://dvcronin.blogspot.ie/2010/11/how-israel-lobby-dictates-eu-policy.html
Europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Engler
Canada

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.586788
Australia

http://www.globalresearch.ca/whos-afraid-of-the-israel-lobby/5436712
General

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 02:36 PM

Steve,
I'll tell my friends but I won't tell you, so just shut up.

You made your claim here, but you will not justify it here.
There can only be two reasons.
Either your claim was just another of your whims based on nothing,
or you are ashamed to lay out your reasoning here in public.
Only to your like minded friends.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: bobad
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 08:57 AM

I post the short article that Keith linked to because it accurately describes the all too familiar method and motivation of some posters to this and other Israel hate threads: Not only does he explain why Israel's enemies choose the language of human rights, but he also reminds us that the central motivation of those critics is, quite simply, anti-Semitism.




Given that Israel is the freest nation in the Middle East and the only stable democracy there, the steady assault on Israel by human rights groups and by enemies of Israel using human rights language has always been particularly reprehensible.

But it has also been hard to understand: Why attack Israel precisely where its record is in fact exemplary by any international standard?

Rabbi Lord Jonathan Sacks has explained it, concisely. Speaking to the European Parliament in September, in a presentation titled "The Mutating Virus: Understanding Anti-Semitism," Sacks said this:

    Throughout history, when people have sought to justify anti-Semitism, they have done so by recourse to the highest source of authority available within the culture. In the Middle Ages, it was religion. So we had religious anti-Judaism.

    In post-Enlightenment Europe, it was science. So we had the twin foundations of Nazi ideology, Social Darwinism and the so-called Scientific Study of Race.

    Today, the highest source of authority worldwide is human rights. That is why Israel—the only fully functioning democracy in the Middle East, with a free press and independent judiciary—is regularly accused of the five cardinal sins against human rights: racism, apartheid, crimes against humanity, ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide.

Sacks's explanation is in fact doubly powerful. Not only does he explain why Israel's enemies choose the language of human rights, but he also reminds us that the central motivation of those critics is, quite simply, anti-Semitism. As he explained:

    Anti-Semitism means denying the right of Jews to exist collectively as Jews with the same rights as everyone else. It takes different forms in different ages. In the Middle Ages, Jews were hated because of their religion. In the 19th and early 20th century, they were hated because of their race.

    Today, they are hated because of their nation-state, the state of Israel. It takes different forms, but it remains the same thing: the view that Jews have no right to exist as free and equal human beings.

His conclusion is stark:

    It was Jews, not Israelis, who were murdered in terrorist attacks in Toulouse, Paris, Brussels and Copenhagen. Anti-Zionism is the anti-Semitism of our time.

Elliott Abrams is senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 07:34 AM

Deo gratias.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 07:30 AM

Don't give this antisemitic, racist, dishonest moron the oxygen of publicity Steve
He's already blown was passed for his brains out, largely without our help.
He will reopen this pathetic thread as long as we respond
Let him rest in peace.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 06:55 AM

I'll tell my friends but I won't tell you, so just shut up. 😂

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 06:38 AM

So Steve will not tell us how the "pro-Israel lobby" is able to control our governments.
His claim must have been just another of his whims based on nothing, or he must be ashamed to lay out his reasoning.

Jim refuses to acknowledge that the overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews are ordinary, decent folk and that it is racist to condemn a whole ethnic group for the actions of a few individuals, as he did.

Here is a short article suggesting how the new anti-Semitism came about.
http://europe.newsweek.com/elliott-abrams-anti-zionism-anti-semitism-our-time-518407

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:18 PM

You have the full quote Keith - unlike yours totally unedited.

Your quote is relevant to the days of the Free State, but the author goes on to describe the same state of affairs extending beyond 1973.
My quote is also unedited.

And you still haven't responded to the fact that you denied this.

Why would I deny it? I expect you accused me of something ridiculous based on it which I did deny.

And you claim British "all male Pakistanis" are perverts!!

I would never claim such a ridiculous thing, and never have.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:02 PM

"Yes Jim, but they were still at it beyond 1973."
You have the full quote Keith - unlike yours totally unedited.
At no time have you ever attempted to provide evidence of how this - not ever
It is totally of your own invention
And you still haven't responded to the fact that you denied this.
You invented and you lied - what king of scumbag behaves like this to schoolchildren?
And you claim British "all male Pakistanis" are perverts!!
You could take classes in perversion against children
A bridge too far, even for you
You make me sick
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:52 PM

A final nail in your editing coffin.
This is the bit in full you that you carefully edited to attempt to paint Irish children as brainwashed morons

The chief function of Irish educational policy was to conserve and develop Irish nationality. Thus, the schools of the Irish Free State were charged with the task of building Irish nationality.

Yes Jim, but they were still at it beyond 1973.
See the quote in my last post.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:49 PM

Jim,
Yyour statements were racist - the references you gave were an account of Free State Education
"Politics, Policy and History: History Teaching in Irish Secondary Schools 1922-1970""
That's what I said - the section on Free State Education.

Not true again Jim.
"The tendency, apparent in the syllabi, to study the history of Ireland in isolation was still an issue in the 1970s, even as the project of European unity gathered pace and Ireland joined the EEC in 1973. Policy makers intended history to reflect a romantic but unhistorical ideal of Ireland's Gaelic past held by many Irish revolutionaries."

"It is not clear from the video what is going on, "
Thern Haaretz got it wrong and Netanyahu apologised for nothing

I am not and never have said that it is not true.
Only that you can't see much in the video.
My point was that you were racist to smear a whole ethnic group for the behaviour of a few individuals.

Feckin mad as a Hatter
Jim Carroll

You are too hard on yourself Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 01:32 PM

What kind of scumbag would deliberately edit a piece of history to prove children brainwashed morons?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 12:25 PM

A final nail in your editing coffin.
This is the bit in full you that you carefully edited to attempt to paint Irish children as brainwashed morons

The chief function of Irish educational policy was to conserve and develop Irish nationality. Thus, the schools of the Irish Free State were charged with the task of building Irish nationality. They were the chief mechanism in a continuing cultural revolution. The idea of a Gaelic Ireland was synonymous with independent Ireland. The Irish language was central to Irish national identity. The primary function of the schools was to recreate a Gaelic. Irish speaking nation. The education system aimed to develop awareness and appreciation of what made the Irish a unique and great race. This distinctive and peerless heritage was the foundation for independence. The function of history was to play a supporting role to Irish by strengthening the national fibre and illustrating the distinctiveness and continuity of the Irish nation. History was used to demonstrate the chargcd with the task of building Irish nationality. They were the chief mechanism in a continuing cultural revolution. The idea of a Gaelic Ireland was synonymous with independent Ireland. The Irish language was central to Irish national identity. The primary function of the schools was to recreate a Gaelic, Irish speaking nation. The education system aimed to develop awareness and appreciation of what made the Irish a unique and great race. This distinctive and peerless heritage was the foundation for independence. The function of history was to play a supporting role to Irish by strengthening the national fibre and illustrating the distinctiveness and continuity of the Irish nation. History was used to demonstrate the importance of the Irish language in preserving national consciousness and continuity, and thus legitimise its restoration as a spoken language.
The nationalist role ascribed to history in primary schools was not as pronounced in secondary schools. This was because the type of indoctrination involved was more effective with younger subjects…….
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 12:09 PM

For fucks sake, pack it in
Yyour statements were racist - the references you gave were an account of Free State Education
"Politics, Policy and History: History Teaching in Irish Secondary Schools 1922-1970""
That's what I said - the section on Free State Education.
You were defeated on this last time - you couldn't produce one example of hate you claim, tyou lied, to toot phrases out of context and you have lied again by denying you ever said such a thing "Jim, none of the personal stuff you accuse me of is true."
No blustering bulying by your equally dishonest and reactionary mate is going to lift you out of this one - you leid and y were caught lying.
"It is not clear from the video what is going on, "
Thern Haaretz got it wrong and Netanyahu apologised for nothing
Ja-sus Christ
Feckin mad as a Hatter
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 11:45 AM

His lying is amply demonstrated by the fact that he carefully didn't link to his Irish historians because their references were to free the State education of eighty years ago - not what happens today

That is not true Jim. The quotes and link I gave YESTERDAY (09 Nov 16 - 02:21 PM ) were to "Politics, Policy and History: History Teaching in Irish Secondary Schools 1922-1970"
All my quotes on this were of recent times.

"You describe the Irish as a hate-filled, brainwashed nation"

I have never described the Irish like that. I have visited Ireland many times and have always found them a warm and wecoming people.

"I said it does not show what is claimed, and it does not."

It is not clear from the video what is going on, but I can not and never have denied that it could be as described by people who were not there.
My point was that you were racist to use the behaviour of a few individuals to smear a whole ethnic group.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 11:24 AM

"Back to resorting to multi-coloured spittle-flecked rants are you Jim?"
Back from out of your Bunker are you Teribus - always on hand when your mad mate needs baling out - "too late, too late" - the maiden cried
"Jom?"
Always a sure sign of insecurity
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 11:13 AM

Back to resorting to multi-coloured spittle-flecked rants are you Jom?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 11:04 AM

"I said it does not show what is claimed, and it does not."
Haaretz
Now will you feck off and stop lying?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 10:22 AM

SORRY - NAUSED UP THAT LAST LINK
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 10:18 AM

I'd finish here if I were you Greg - don't feed the Troll
The other raving, lying madman is far more interesting than this one
"Of course I said it, and justified it with quotes of Irish historians."
His lying is amply demonstrated by the fact that he carefully didn't link to his Irish historians because their references were to free the State education of eighty years ago - not what happens today
He denied saying it

Me
03 Nov 16 - 09:44 AM
"You describe the Irish as a hate-filled, brainwashed nation"

Keith - two postings later
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 03 Nov 16 - 12:13 PM
Jim, none of the personal stuff you accuse me of is true.

"Keith no
"Of course I said it, and justified it with quotes of Irish historians."
Lies
Lies about lying
A repetition of racism based on 80 year old evidence
Test this link: Irish Free State Education - 1922-1937
Someone like this needs help, not humouring
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 09:01 AM

quotes of Irish historians.

Living or dead, Professor? Mainstream or not? Works available in regular bookstores or not? Eminent or no?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 07:32 AM

Jim,
No Keith - you said it(wedding video) did not say what the journalist filmed it said
I said it does not show what is claimed, and it does not.
It is clearly an amateur video. What journalist claimed to have fimed it? Name please.
He is a Hebreaw speaking Jew - you are not.#
So what. There is no speech.
If the press can accept is description so can you.
Which publication unequicocally endorsed what is shown? Link please. The link you just gave only says "appears to show."
I have never suggested it is fake or a lie, just that the video shows nothing clearly being done.
Note that Netanyahu and the GSS condemn it if genuine. It was racist of you to use the actions of a few individuals to smear a whole ethnic group.

Describeing an entire male population as being culturally implanted ro rape children is an obscene racist statement in anybody's book

Yes it would be. No-one has ever said such an outrageous thing.

You denied saying it now you are defending it - what kind of madman are you

Of course I said it, and justified it with quotes of Irish historians.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 03:49 PM

Just came across this from you on the way down
"What about someone who talk about "pro-Israel lobby" plots, and those who support him Jim?"
What the **** do you think claiming that Jewish MPs refusing to describe the antisemitism is Keith?
That Gem of wisdom came from you.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 03:44 PM

Sorry Keith - my giggling got the better of me and I sent it off before I'd finished.
You have really taken this crass dishonesty as far as I'm prepared to go - I am not qualified to deal with the feeble-minded.
You are finished on this forum as far as I can see - you've self-destructed to an unimaginable degree.
Please do yourself a favour and stop - and take you hatred ogf the Jews, the Irish, the Muslims, the Travellers..... and every other race and culture you've ever maligned with you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 03:36 PM

"I did not say it was fake, I said it did not show what was claimed."
No Keith - you said it did not say what the journalist filmed it said
He is a Hebreaw speaking Jew - you are not.#
If the press can accept is description so can you.
If you say he is lying -produce your proof - that is how the Mail picked it up from israeli television - or are they lying - or the New York Post - or all the other Journals who have headed it the same?
NEW YORK TIMES
You really are insane, aren't you?
"I did not, as I have explained so many times."
No Keith - you lied many times and never produced a single quote saying anything vaguely similar
Even if you7 had - it wouldn't make it anything less that extremely racist
Describeing an entire male population as being culturally implanted ro rape children is an obscene racist statement in anybody's book - obviously not yours
"" As a part of the school curriculum, the subject of history taught young learners a monolithic nationalist, anti-British and pro-Catholic history that was heavily dependent upon allegory and collective memory."
Pre- 1930s, just after independence, - as I pointed out in the rest of the quote.
You denied saying it now you are defending it - what kind of madman are you?
YOU REQUESTED AN EXAMPLE OF YOUR LYING - THIS WAS ONE OF THEM - YOU LIED

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 02:21 PM

Jim,
Do you have any proof it was a fake?

I did not say it was fake, I said it did not show what was claimed.
Why should we believe someone we know nothing about telling us what it does not show?

You are lying - produce my blaming "the Jews" for anything -

You produced videos of individual Jews allegedly behaving badly, and said it showed what Israel is like.
It does not because overwhelmingly Israelis do not behave like that.
It is racist to vilify a whole ethnic group for the supposed actions of a few individuals.

every bit as racist as describing all British male Pakistanis as implanted potential perverts -as you also did - without proof.

I did not, as I have explained so many times.

Re Irish schools, here is one historian,

" As a part of the school curriculum, the subject of history taught young learners a monolithic nationalist, anti-British and pro-Catholic history that was heavily dependent upon allegory and collective memory."

"The nationalist role ascribed to history in primary schools was not as pronounced in secondary schools. This was because the type of indoctrination involved was more effective with younger subjects,"

"Gaelic culture was proclaimed as not only relatively, but absolutely better than others. Nationalist history was not only pro-Irish but anti-British."
http://etudesirlandaises.revues.org/2119

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 01:29 PM

"That statement was backed by quotes from historians, and was no lie."
It wasnt true then - it isn'ty true - but beside the point Keith
YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T SAY IT AND YOU DID - YOU LIED
The fact that you could not give one single example of the hatred you claimed - just ans you have never produced a shred of evidence for your Labour antisemitism makes it the lie it is, and describing the children of a nation is profoundly racist - every bit as racist as describing all British male Pakistanis as implanted potential perverts -as you also did - without proof.
"Do you know who he/she was or anything about him/her?"
Do you have any proof it was a fake? - it was covered widely in the press - inccludibng ON THE ISRAELI MEDIA "quote WAS AIRED ON ISRAELI TV LAST NIGHT" unquotefor what it was - where is your proof Keith?
"Of course it is not"
You have been given over a dozen examples of what is happening - you refuse to respond to any of them - are they all lies - if so, who says so - where is your proof?
"That is true, and you posted them as an attack on all Jews, not just politicians."
You are lying - produce my blaming "the Jews" for anything - remember - my offer still stand - to all of you.
Can I make something clear Keith - I am not interested in convincing you or your followers of anything - I never have been.
I am interested in sinking any credibility you might ever have had without trace - you have helped me achieve that on this thread beyond my wildest dreams - for which, my deepest thanks for enabling me to execute this coup-de grace,
Finis.....
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 12:43 PM

Jim, my quote,
"Anyway it was just ordinary Jews behaving despicably, if they were, so what was your point?"

was in reference to your videos. They depicted a few individuals possibly behaving badly, and you used them to vilify all Israelis.

your statements about "brainwashed Irish Children"

That statement was backed by quotes from historians, and was no lie.
Would you like those quotes repeated?

The Israeli cameraman who filmed it said differently -that's why he entitled it "Mob celebrating the death of a murdered child"
For Christ's sake Keith - if you are claiming he was lying, show us where he was.

Do you know who he/she was or anything about him/her?
No. All we know is what the video shows, and that is nothing.

I said that was what was happening in Israel today - which it is
Of course it is not.

"Those videos you linked to did only show ordinary Jews, not government officials."

That is true, and you posted them as an attack on all Jews, not just politicians.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 11:27 AM

Confirming that your lies are lies
A few of my statements
"I don't believe there are Jewish organisations that are pro-Israel - I believe there are some Jews who support what i happening in Israel and others who don't."
"They show what is happening in Israel today Keith - why do you think I put them up?"
"our sick argument here is typical of what is happening in Israel - war criminals blaming their crimes on The Jews."
"The statements by ministers that you have denied (not disproved), are incitement to hatred, plain and simple, and it is these which bring about behaviour like this - not the Jewish People"
"The statements by ministers that you have denied (not disproved), are incitement to hatred, plain and simple, and it is these which bring about behaviour like this - not the Jewish People - there are many, many more examples of such incitements and their outcome."
This incitement to hatred and killing is encouraged from the very top - "
"I am saying, as I said in the first place, that incitement to race hatred, as displayed by your Israeli Ministers, inevitably leads to extreme actions such as this."
In contrast - this is your statement
"Those videos you linked to did only show ordinary Jews, not government officials." Keith A of god knows where
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 10:36 AM

Zero times, because it is bollocks, like everything else in that post.
Denial even though it's on this thread
"Anyway it was just ordinary Jews behaving despicably, if they were, so what was your point?"
"ORDINARY JEWS - NOT STATE OFFICIALS? "
Tell us again about not telling lies
"I would like you to link to a lie of mine please."
I've just given you one and have linked you to your statements about "brainwashed Irish Children" and supporting British Fascism - your having denied both
You even went on to justify your "brainwashed children" statement, having just denied it - it really doesn't come more stupid than that Keith.
You are now a serial porky-teller who seems not able to distinguish between truth and lies
"If you mean your video, it showed a roomful of people celebrating a wedding."
The Israeli cameraman who filmed it said differently -that's why he entitled it "Mob celebrating the death of a murdered child"
For Christ's sake Keith - if you are claiming he was lying, show us where he was.
Again
"CELEBRATING the DEATH of a CHILD - Shocking footage from Israeli Jewish wedding shows guests celebrating the death of a Palestinian baby burned alive in an arson attack
CELEBRATING the DEATH of a CHILD
"But you did. Asked why you posted them you said to show what Israel is like."
I said that was what was happening in Israel today - which it is - and I went on to say that it was the fault of those ministers and leaders who were spreading hate
Another example of your lying - how many do you want - you've just been given another four which you choose to ignore
YOU CHOSE TO TAKE IT FURTHER BY ANTISEMITICALLY BLAMING "ORDINARY JEWS "ORDINARY JEWS - NOT STATE OFFICIALS? "
Put up or piss off Keith - I want no further part in your mental deterioration.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 10:10 AM

" Asked why you posted them you said to show what Israel is like.
It is not, because the vast majority of Jews would never behave in the way you describe."

Maybe it's also racist to "forget" that Israel is over a quarter non-Jewish.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 09:59 AM

Jim,
I take it that you are not going to explain the number of times you have accused "ordinary Jews" of Israeli crimes against humanity,

I will.
Zero times, because it is bollocks, like everything else in that post.

I would like you to link to a lie of mine please.
Make it a real nasty one.
Good luck with that Jim. Breath not being held.

- the roomful of people celebrating the death were ignored,

If you mean your video, it showed a roomful of people celebrating a wedding.
In the distance is one figure holding what looks like a picture but we can not see the subject of the picture.
That is not evidence of anything Jim.

I don't hold these demonstrations of hatred against the Israeli people as a whole

But you did. Asked why you posted them you said to show what Israel is like.
It is not, because the vast majority of Jews would never behave in the way you describe.
It is racist to ascribe the misdeeds of a few individuals to a whole ethnic group, and that is what you did Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 09:32 AM

"Those the 13 people who were arrested and charged with incitement to hatred by that Israeli Regime you keep banging on about?"
Nope
The thirteen were arrested for murder - the roomful of people celebrating the death were ignored, as were those thousands chanting "no more school - no more Palestinian children" following the 2015 bloodbath.
"How many "Palestinians" have been arrested and charged for inciting hatred of Israelis Jim?"
What on earth has that got to do with anything- one display of bestiality does not excuse another.
Unlike Keith - and no doubt you, I don't hold these demonstrations of hatred against the Israeli people as a whole, or even the participants - my point in putting them up was to show the what Israel has become because of the barrage of hatred from the top - mainly politicians and priests.
I don't blame the ordinary German people for the Holocaust - only for allowing it to happen thanks to the same barrage of hate from the Nazis
ANOTHER
AND ANOTHER
MORE
FACEBOOK CENSORSHIP
PRETTY FAIR REASONS WHY PALESTINIANS ARE RETALIATING
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: bobad
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:48 AM

How many "Palestinians" have been arrested and charged for inciting hatred of Israelis Jim?

Hell, in the "West Bank" murderers of Jews are celebrated, feted, have streets and squares named after them and their families rewarded financially with money donated by Western countries to the PA for the welfare of the "impoverished" and "oppressed" "Palestinians". We don't see any condemnation of that from our resident Jew haters, do we now. The only thing we hear condemnation about is the financial aid given to Israel to help defend itself from those who would have it wiped off the map.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:24 AM

"the burnt-to-death celebrations were entitled as such by the journalist who filmed it - an Israeli"

Those the 13 people who were arrested and charged with incitement to hatred by that Israeli Regime you keep banging on about?

How many "Palestinians" have been arrested and charged for inciting hatred of Israelis Jim? Hell Hamas in Gaza don't even take any action against those firing missiles at Israeli civilians.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:34 AM

"Do not be silly Jim. Of course they have not."
DO NOT BE SILLY KEITH - they have - by not being challenged by anybody but you - and you do nothing but deny them
"But, this thread is not about "claims made against Israel"
DO NOT BE SILLY KEITH
To even attempt to exclude Israel from a debate about antisemitism when its ministers have declared openly that to criticise Israeli behaviour is "antisemitic" is as mindlessly protective of a terrorist regime as it gets.
YOU'VE LONG OVERPLAYED YOUR "THREAD DRIFT" HAND.
Your persistent attempts to manipulate and restrict threads and move them into your antisemitic comfort zone is indicative that you have no other card to play.
"I do not lie"
DO NOT BE SILLY
You lie constantly and I can link you to some of them without moving from this thread
I can give you one immediately - how about "I do not lie"?
I take it that you are not going to explain the number of times you have accused "ordinary Jews" of Israeli crimes against humanity, despite your claiming to support the European definition of antisemitism?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:16 AM

Jim,
Every single claim made against Israel has been substantiated

Do not be silly Jim. Of course they have not.
But, this thread is not about "claims made against Israel"

Steve,
If I declared that bunches of Jews banded together to lobby governments and threaten politicians if they refused to support Israel, you'd have me bang to rights. But I have never said that, you tiresome, lying ratbag.

I do not lie, and I have not accused you of saying that.
I just keep asking you how a mere lobby group controls our governments as you claim?
Will you finally answer please?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 06:38 PM

Ya sure that isn't stupids.com?

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 06:32 PM

If anyone can stomach it, there's a website called stopbds.com that I reckon would make bobad and Keith feel really comfortable. Don't click on it unless you're feeling really calm.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 06:03 PM

Say goodnight, Professor.

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 02:46 PM

I doubt if you are going to respond to your consistently blaming the Jews for israeli crimes, other than first to claim you didn't, then to say sme historian told you it was true so it must be.
Doesn't matter, what's been said can't be unsaid.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 02:44 PM

If I declared that bunches of Jews banded together to lobby governments and threaten politicians if they refused to support Israel, you'd have me bang to rights. But I have never said that, you tiresome, lying ratbag. In fact, I've told you MANY TIMES, cloth-ears, that pro-Israel lobby groups consist of Jews and people from many other backgrounds. Many non-Jewish Labour MPs are members of Labour Friends Of Israel. Many non-Jewish American big-businessmen are in AIPAC. Et bloody cetera. I have said here MANY TIMES that I condemn expressions such as Jewish lobby. It's pro-Israel lobby, Keith. I condemn people who attack "Israel" or "the Jews" and I condemn people out of hand who say they want to wipe Israel from the map. The target is the Israeli regime. I do not attack anyone else in connection with this and I never attack Jewish people because they are Jews. I will take on anybody, Jewish or not, when they say things I don't agree with. Now you really need to shut up about not answering you. You've had at least ten times more answering from me than you deserve. Go and sing a bloody song down your pub in Hertford and try to not choke on a pork scratching.