BS: Smoking in restaurants in July 2013

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in restaurants in July 2013
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 10:17 AM

In public or state owned buildings, there should most certainly be a ban on smoking.

In privately owned buildings and businesses, I think the owner should be free to choose whether or not s/he wants to ban smoking there or not.

If a privately owned business wishes to cater to smokers, vegans, gun owners or whomever they please, it shouldn't be for the state to determine otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in restaurants in July 2013
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 09:44 AM

I work on a university campus that has been designated a smoke-free zone. That doesn't stop the hard-core scofflaws from finding corners to hide behind, though sometimes they boldly sit in view and smoke. And they smoke until someone reminds them they're not supposed to. I imagine it will continue this way, police rarely have time to give tickets.

Smokers had it their way for a long time, and I don't imagine I'll ever be able to set aside the extreme resentment of smokers polluting the air and ruining countless meals. Of making airline travel and other public transit an excruciating ordeal until smoking was prohibited. It's visceral and goes back as long as I can remember - my place at the table was next to my mother at the end, and she always had a cigarette going in the ash tray between us. And despite many protests about her smoking in the house, in the car, and even when she walked into our bedrooms ("it's my house"), she never took our preferences into account. When she had to quit, it was cold-turkey because she developed Buerger's Disease (she never named it or stated the cause, I found out later) and had to have dacron arteries run from her abdomen into her thighs to save her legs from amputation.

So for some of us, it will always be personal, and I would report that restaurant to whomever oversees this sort of thing.

Your mileage may vary.

SRS (with baggage, like the time she insisted she knew how to "vent" her cigarette and insisted in smoking in my pickup truck, after I said "no." Any time a remark was directed to her she closed the window so she could hear, my truck reeked for weeks. Yet when we got to the home of the friend we were visiting, she asked if she could smoke.)

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in restaurants in July 2013
From: bobad
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 07:57 AM

I'm not sure but I think Shannonville may be on the Tyendinaga Mohawk reservation which would explain why they can flout Ontario's laws.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in restaurants in July 2013
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 07:40 AM

In my youth, Eliza, you would have had to put up with it just the same -- not in your own home; but in all sorts of places [restaurants, pubs, cinemas...] where you don't now. One of the great changes I have observed in a long life has been from smoking being a near-universal habit, non-smokers being regarded as perhaps just a little eccentric, to the present no-smoking anywhere set-up, within which those that do smoke are a bit aggressive-defensive about it: something I find irritating about The Spectator, a journal I enjoy greatly on the whole, is the number of their contributors who vie with one another in a sort of boastfully defiant "OK I smoke, are you going to call the cops!" attitude. I smoked my last small cigar on 3 April 1975; up to when I smoked over 40 a day. Best thing I ever did was give them up!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in restaurants in July 2013
From: Mooh
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 07:39 AM

It's in Shannonville Ontario:

http://www.profilecanada.com/companydetail.cfm?company=652956_Jumping_Johnnies_Restaurant_Shannonville_ON

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyendinaga,_Ontario

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in restaurants in July 2013
From: Mooh
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 07:28 AM

I had to check that this wasn't a zombie thread.

Not legal in Ontario:

http://www.mhp.gov.on.ca/en/smoke-free/factsheets/bars_restaurants.pdf

In brief: "Smoking is prohibited in any enclosed public place and enclosed workplace, including restaurants and
bars. Designated Smoking Rooms (DSRs) are prohibited."

You should report the place to authorities.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in restaurants in July 2013
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 06:20 AM

You're very tolerant, Michael. But I'm not, and I'd never ever allow anyone to smoke in my house. The very smell makes me feel sick. Fussy old biddy, but there it is!

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in restaurants in July 2013
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 06:10 AM

That last is not my experience, Eliza. When I have a smoking guest at home, I always say, in the interests of hospitality, that they are welcome to enjoy a cigarette or two: I can live with a bit of smoke and a few ashtrays to clean out in the morning. But they invariably courteously insist on going out into the garden to satisfy their cravings.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in restaurants in July 2013
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 05:54 AM

Wouldn't it be strange if you went back that way and couldn't find this cafe again? Maybe it haunts various out-of-the-way places from time to time, then moves on, like the Flying Dutchman? Here in UK smoking is virtually banned everywhere except outside. Our hospital (Norwich) even bans smoking outside; people are supposed to take themselves off the terrain completely. I'm all for the ban, and especially in food establishments. Smokers are now in the minority, and the rest of us don't particularly want lung cancer, heart disease, smelly clothes, smelly hair or the taste of our food ruined, thank you very much. No doubt the smokers here will light up with incandescence, and say it isn't fair. Tough!

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in restaurants in July 2013
From: GUEST,Guest Ed T
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 06:34 PM

Most western countries (provinces, states, etc.) now have laws prohibiting an establishment from allowing non-smokers to be subjected to second hand smoke. Enforcement is mostly based on people reporting violations, along with encouraging community (and business) acceptance of these laws. Fines are the last resort to encourage compliance.

From your comments, you seem to live in Ontario Canada. I expect the above laws apply there. Some-how and some-way this spot seems to have escaped the attention of authorities. I do not expect legal loop-holes do not exist to allow this situation to evolve and continue.

However, it seems like the basis of a good movie plot;)

Subject: BS: Smoking in restaurants in July 2013
From: PHJim
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 05:52 PM

I played mandolin at a festival near Kingston last Sunday.
On the way home to Port Hope I got hungry and turned off the 401 to Highway 2. I found a gas station east of Belleville called Jumpin' Johnnie's with a restaurant attached called Deb's Restaurant.
The waitress was pleasant with a big smile and the burger was great, but I was surprised to smell cigarette smoke just as I was biting into my burger. Then I noticed the ash trays on some of the tables and saw a few people light up as soon as they walked in. It was like a window into the world of yesteryear.
The washroom door had a sign that said,"No smoking in restrooms" but there was a cigarette butt in the urinal. The lady behind the counter who took my money had a cigarette hanging out of her mouth.
My eyes started to sting on the way home.
No, I didn't ask anyone why there was smoking in a restaurant in the year 2013. I know I should've.
It reminded me of having to wash your clothes as soon as you got home from a Legion gig and having your cases smell like smoke for weeks. Remember that?
Any ideas how they get away with this and how common it is?