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Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Mar 24 - 03:15 PM The amount of time he is spending in court and with lawyers is increasing month by month; the idea that the RNC is going to be paying his lawyers must be galling to non-MAGA mainstream Republicans. The down-ballot races this year that won't be supported will push more and more of them from the party. McConnell was one of those GOP folks who must have imagined that they could easily manipulate Trump to accomplish the things they'd strived for; it's the plot of Sinclair Lewis's 1935 novel It Can't Happen Here. It's what the powerful in Germany thought they could do with Hitler. People who refused to learn from history are in danger of repeating it again. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 25 Mar 24 - 01:39 PM Donald Trump's bond reduced, deadline extended as court delays possible seizure of assets "A New York court has significantly reduced the amount of money Donald Trump must pay as bond to avoid having his assets seized, and extended the deadline for payment. "The appeals court has agreed to hold off collection of the former president's $US454 million ($694 million) civil fraud judgment — if he puts up $US175 million ($268 million) within 10 days. "If he does, it will stop the clock on collection and prevent the state from seizing the presumptive Republican presidential nominee's assets while he appeals. "The development came just before New York Attorney-General Letitia James was expected to initiate efforts to collect the judgment." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 25 Mar 24 - 07:09 AM Delay has always been Trump's best strategy. Therefore I see him declaring personal BANCRUPTCY. That would delay everything including asset seizure by a year or more. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 24 Mar 24 - 02:00 PM I think he has stopped the accordion move too. I did see a clip a few days ago but I think it was an old one, not recent. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 24 Mar 24 - 11:03 AM Since these videos appeared Trump has stopped doing this. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 24 Mar 24 - 07:46 AM Trump bracket This election has no 11% undecided voters. Instead we have 22% double haters who don't want either guys. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 24 Mar 24 - 02:32 AM Me too. Even after 7 years. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 24 Mar 24 - 02:25 AM LOL! I’ve seen that before, it creases me up every time! :-) |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 24 Mar 24 - 02:06 AM Well BWM, he looks good in this video: Life Accordion To Trump |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 24 Mar 24 - 01:47 AM Well somebody has to look good in photos, and it’s sure as hell not him. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 23 Mar 24 - 09:40 PM Well keb, my bet is that he would choose her to look good next to him in photos, rather than her fantastic political abilities. LOL |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: keberoxu Date: 23 Mar 24 - 07:43 PM I find it really hard to believe he would have a woman for a running mate, for some reason. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 23 Mar 24 - 07:13 PM He should pick somebody who's so much worse than he is that he'll never be impeached again. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 23 Mar 24 - 05:49 PM Donald Trump is yet to choose a running mate for the US election. Who will he pick as his possible vice-president? The preamble for the article says, "A gun-loving grandma, a former Democrat and a MAGA frontwoman — who will Donald Trump pick from his long shortlist of running mates? And will his pick be based on strategy or aesthetics?" The list of potential VP's discussed in the article: Kristi Noem, Tim Scott, Tulsi Gabbard, Nikki Haley, Tucker Carlson, Vivek Ramaswamy, and some others. [Tucker Carlson?? OMG!] My bet is he'll pick a woman with a style and looks to which he is attracted. He's not so good on choosing and consistently following through on strategy, IMO. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Backwoodsman Date: 23 Mar 24 - 04:57 PM Agent Orange announced today, to a crowd in Dayton OH, that ‘Biden beat Barack Hussein Obama’! WTF? And he has the temerity to claim that it’s Biden who has dementia… |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 23 Mar 24 - 08:00 AM Not unexpectedly, the question of whether he "has" the "cash" is more complicated than it sounds: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-stares-down-first-derailment-100029573.html Takeaway: even if he has it, he may not be able to use it. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 23 Mar 24 - 07:19 AM Methinks he'd be (or at least sound) much calmer if someone took away his caps-lock key. From this nerd's viewpoint, he honestly reads like he's thinking in Fortran 4. (I leave making the connection with Monopoly as an exercise.) |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 22 Mar 24 - 07:16 PM Just as I imagined: hoist by his own petard! Publicly, with nowhere to run and hide. Funny! If a novelist wrote this as fiction it would be panned as unbelievably unlikely in the real world, but here it is IRL. :-D |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Mar 24 - 06:23 PM That was taking the long way around to hint at something that never ever needs to be uttered out loud. The afternoon pundits suggest that by Trump announcing this deal and all of the cash he has, while the lawyers are trying to come up with a bond or something before 12:01am March 26 means that either he's going to have to put the cash down (and poor little Donald, not use it for his campaign) or admit he lied and he doesn't have the cash. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 22 Mar 24 - 05:39 PM 1 in 5 Presidents face these existential dire threats and therefore is a rational part of a candidate's risk. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 22 Mar 24 - 05:27 PM Like I said did he lie at the deposition or is he lying now. In politics cash is like mother's milk. More important is life itself. Most individuals probably have no real idea how many political assassination attempts have been plotted and put into effect with various results in the United States. Many people may remember the U.S. Presidents who were assassinated, but there were a number of other attempts against political leaders, some successful, others only partially so. Nine American presidents have been targeted while in office. Andrew Jackson was the first U.S. political figure to have been officially recognized as the target of an assassin. Due to the widespread impact of the Civil War and Reconstruction, most people know the basic outlines of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, and may recall the successful attempts on James A. Garfield, and William McKinley. Some may recall the failed attempt on the life of President Harry S. Truman, which occurred while the White House was undergoing extensive renovation and he was residing in Blair House in 1950. Almost everyone is aware of the basic circumstances surrounding the murder of John F. Kennedy in 1963. In addition, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan were all targeted by would be assassins. A review of the violence against American political leaders reveals Franklin D. Roosevelt being targeted when he was President-Elect, but not yet sworn in, in 1933. Three presidential candidates were targets, Theodore Roosevelt, Robert F. Kennedy, and George C. Wallace were all shot while campaigning for votes. Of course, other figures in politics have been targeted. Martinez counts eight governors, seven U.S. senators, nine members of the U.S. House of Representatives, eleven mayors, seventeen state legislators, and eleven judges who have been victims of political assassinations or attempts. This does not count the shooting attempt on several U.S. House members practicing on a ball field recently. Journal of Strategic Security, Vol. 11, No. 1 http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/jss/vol11/iss1/6 DOI: https://doi.org/10.5038/1944-0472.11.1.1665 We know the CIA is a lawless branch of government. You can assume this discussion has happened regarding the 24 election. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Mar 24 - 12:22 PM This will churn through the news cycle today (though right now I see MSNBC is still covering the Israel-slaughtering-Gaza talks and Blinken's visit to Israel today). The Hill headline: Trump says he has $500 million in cash as lawyers say he can’t post $464M bond There are mixed messages to parse: Former President Trump claimed Friday he has nearly $500 million in cash, conflicting with messaging from his attorneys who claim he won’t be able to post the $454 million bond for his civil fraud case. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 22 Mar 24 - 11:56 AM After reading the NPR article, my main thought is that it's a desperate fire sale: i.e. buyer advantage, vendor disadvantage. The one thing which the article places possibly in Trump's favour is the potential for it being seen as "meme stock" where Trump's supporters are not looking so much at investing and benefiting financially from that investment but seeing it as a way to support Trump in the political arena, i.e. throwing their money in the ring based on their heart and not their financial reasoning. Alternatively some investors may see it as a quick internet sensation and they will invest and then divest when the popular interest in the shares starts to fall. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 22 Mar 24 - 11:39 AM An NPR article: Trump is on the verge of a windfall of billions of dollars. Here are 3 things to know I've picked bits out of it but it's a fairly short article and it makes some good points. "Former President Trump is on the verge of a windfall of billions of dollars — but it may not come soon enough to help him fend off his mounting legal problems." ,,, "But the process of listing Trump Media has been a rather convoluted saga, much like the business and political career of the former president, marked by investigations, lawsuits and general chaos." ... "All eyes are on the Digital World shareholders "The vote by Digital World shareholders should be simple. "If the shareholders of the shell company do approve the deal, Digital World would become Trump Media in the stock markets as early as next week, trading under the stock symbol DJT, short for Donald J. Trump. "But Digital World has struggled to find enough shareholders to show up in previous key votes, so there are no guarantees that they can get enough of a quorum on Friday to approve the merger. "And the process to this point has been far from easy in other ways. Digital World has also faced scrutiny from the Securities and Exchange Commission, and it has also faced lawsuits from key shareholders that are still pending. "Trump stands to earn billions "If enough Digital World shareholders approve the deal, the windfall for Trump could be big. "Trump would own over 50% of the new merged company, a stake that would be worth over $3 billion at current market valuations. "Analysts agree those kinds of valuations are far removed from the actual value of Trump Media. Truth Social had just over $3 million in revenue in the first nine months of last year and losses of nearly $50 million." .... "But Trump might not be able to sell his shares soon "The potential windfall comes at a time when Trump is in dire need of cash. "On Monday he needs to post over $400 million in bond to settle a civil fraud case, and Trump has been unable to secure a company to put up the cash. "However, how soon the former president can cash in on his stake in Trump Media is uncertain. "Under the current agreement, Trump faces a six-month lock-up period, meaning he won't be able to sell his shares in Trump Media during that period. "He could, however, try to work out a deal that would allow him to sell some or all of his holdings earlier, though a big sale at once would risk sending Trump Media shares sharply lower. "Trump could also try to find somebody who would loan him the money using his Trump Media shares as collateral. "But the Trump Media shares would be trading at above what many analysts think it's actually worth, making it difficult for a lender to justify lending him the money." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 22 Mar 24 - 11:07 AM Trump has just announced that he has $500,000,000 in cash. Origin undisclosed. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Mar 24 - 10:57 AM This is where he might approach the court and ask for time to liquidate part of the proceeds. It depends on how long (or if he wants to do it. It may be his nest egg for the future.) |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 22 Mar 24 - 10:53 AM Evidently it will be difficult for Trump to liquefy that bonanza, and impossible before midnight Monday. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Mar 24 - 10:41 AM According to a notification from the New York Times this morning Truth Social just merged with some shell corporation and Trump will get about $300m from that. Finalized today. I found a story about it from The Hill so it should be readable by all. Digital World shareholders approve merger with Trump’s Truth Social Shareholders in Digital World Acquisition Corp. (DWAC) approved a merger with former President Trump’s media startup on Friday teeing up Truth Social’s stock market debut and a potential $3.5 billion windfall for Trump. All of those moving parts. We were looking at the bank accounts and the buildings, forgot about that worthless scourge on the social media world. It seems someone wants it (and the party he merged with must be bigger and nastier than he is.) It will trade on the NY Stock Exchange as DJT. Of course it will. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 22 Mar 24 - 08:25 AM How desperate is Trump for cash, let me count the ways; He has replaced everyone in the RNC so he can now take his cut for legal defenses before any money goes to the RNC. That way he can say no money from the RNC goes to his defense fund. He cannot afford all the victim victory rallies he used to have so he may have to charge at the door with a promise of a door prize. No more free helicopter rides for the kiddies. Instead of country music celebrities, he will have heroes like Rittenhouse at his fewer rallies. He can't afford all the Facebook ads he used to have so he will rely on Musk's X Posts. Trump might have to secretly place bets against his winning on all the online betting sites. He might even urge his real patriots to make up stories for GoFundMe sites and give him the money. His private airliner will miss crucial maintenance due to cutbacks and possibly strand him in Minnesota. Having to ask his son-in-law for cash could be the final humiliating insult. This could be the only election where a candidate gets more money from foreign sources than domestic. This is possible because of the Citizens United decision. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Helen Date: 21 Mar 24 - 09:44 PM That's funny, Donuel! LOL |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Mar 24 - 08:51 PM He has until midnight on Monday, March 25, so on Tuesday any liens will be filed by the NY AG. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 21 Mar 24 - 06:56 PM Trump's pyrite fool's gold cup runneth empty. In a deposition, he said he had over 400 million cash. Did he lie then or now? If he gets a loan the donor must overlook that Donnie was just convicted of fraud but most of all his promises are worthless. Hey buddy can you spare a HALF BIL? They used to tell me I was building a dream And so I followed the mob When there was earth to plow or property to rent I was always there right on the job They used to tell me I was building a dream With cash and glory ahead Why should I be standing in line Just waiting for jail? Once I was railroaded, then I would run Made a con in real time Once I built a brick road, now it's done Brother, can you spare a dime? Once I built a tower up to the sun Brick and rivet and lime Once I built a tower, now it's done Brother, can you spare a half bill? Once in khaki suits, gee we looked swell Full of that yankee doodly damn Half a million boots went sloggin' through hell And I was the kid with the scam Say, don't you remember, they called me Trump It was Trump all the time Why don't you remember, I'm your pal Say buddy, can you spare a half bill? Once in swanki suits, ah gee we looked swell Full of that yankee doodly damn Half a million suckers went sloggin' through hell And I was the kid with the scam Oh, say, don't you remember, they called me the Donald It was the Donald all the time Say, don't you remember, I'm your pal Buddy, can you spare a half bil? |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Mar 24 - 10:07 PM You think Trump can keep a secret about making a deal with a strongman dictator who he admires? Tonight the discussion of multiple smaller bonds (instead of one massive one that no banking entity will touch) was discussed on a news show. Unless there in an announcement, we're all waiting till Monday to see what happens. Get the popcorn ready. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 20 Mar 24 - 08:02 PM If he did make promises, or divulge secrets,who would know? And if they did, how many years before he'd stand trial? And before all appeals would be exhausted? Of course, if he's elected, no problemo! |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Mar 24 - 05:22 PM It depends on if he starts making promises to world leaders about what he will do if elected. That, in my understanding, is illegal. Meanwhile, the non-esteemed New York Post suggests that Trump will let James grab Trump Tower, but it's probably leveraged and the value, if sold, isn't enough to meet the amount of the penalty. Trump’s failure to secure a bond could put his New York properties on the chopping block (from CNN) looks at other NY buildings also. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 20 Mar 24 - 01:44 PM In theory Trump, a private citizen, could get as much as he wants from a Russian oligarch, or a Saudi oligarch, etc., so long as that oligarch is a private citizen and not under U.S. sanction. Or so says an expert on MSNBC. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Mar 24 - 11:30 AM The House of Representatives sideshow is still trying to tar Biden with the same brush as Trump - they are desperate to impeach Biden to say they're just the same. It's an embarrassment, how those toadies are behaving instead of doing the nation's work. Meanwhile, I read somewhere yesterday that Letitia James might take Mar-a-Lago, but since it's in Florida and they have particular rules about protecting property (mostly from bankruptcy) I question whether that is on her list. (The Florida governor would protest.) She'll have to seize properties IN or registered in New York. (Trump has been moving accounts out in order to protect assets - pundits talk about his inability to plan to pay the inevitable settlements by selling property; his plan has involved moving it and not paying at all.) Full List of Donald Trump's Properties Letitia James Is About to Take
There might be agreements with some of the other states, and she might be able to put a hold on the UK properties. We will learn what is possible once we see what she decides to seize. I wonder if all of these would even add up to the amount he owes? It doesn't look like it. A few million here and there, but anything claimed will have encumbrances and taxes and such so a sale will probably reduce by more than half what the state gets from each property. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Doug Chadwick Date: 20 Mar 24 - 07:40 AM Trump is one marriage away from King Henry the 8th Trump has been married three times. How is this one marriage away from the six wives of Henry VIII? Trump was found guilty of fraudulently inflating the value of his assets. As you continue to make comparisons between the former President and the Tudor king, Donuelle, is it OK for you to use inflated data are are you just bad at history/sums? DC |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Mar 24 - 01:20 PM There are laws about citizens negotiating with foreign governments; Reagan probably broke the law when he had envoys communicate with Iranians to keep the US hostages until after the inauguration, to deny Carter the success of getting them free before the election. Trump is probably doing a lot of things behind the scenes that should be sussed out now and held against him. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 19 Mar 24 - 12:52 PM Trump has a lot of real estate but nowhere near as much as Henry the Eighth did. He can't convert the property to cash in a week so Trump has re-hired Paul Manifort fresh out of prison to get Russian oligarchy cash like he did before and again manage Donald's election campaign. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 18 Mar 24 - 05:27 PM > While Garten said Trump is "financially stable" Was it just me, or did anybody else see the above and hear "stable genius" go *clang* in the backs of their heads :-) ? |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Mar 24 - 02:36 PM Trump faces 'insurmountable difficulties' in securing $464M bond in civil fraud case, his attorneys say Judge Arthur Engoron had ordered Trump to pay $355 million plus interest. Dated today (March 18) "Defendants have faced what have proven to be insurmountable difficulties in obtaining an appeal bond for the full $464 million," according to an affirmation by Trump Organization general counsel Alan Garten. Inflating your assets will have this result. He is reaping what he sowed. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Mar 24 - 11:35 AM Trump's legal team has alerted the New York court this morning (Mar. 18)that they are unable to obtain the bond or cash for the $450B fine that is due next week (Mar. 25), and want it postponed until after the appeal. I look forward to reading the list of properties that the state AG is ready to seize. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Mar 24 - 10:46 AM Dick, don't just drop a link, say something. And while you're at it, stay on topic and stop starting new thread that people will fight about. Back when Trump was first elected and in office in 2017 he bragged about the size of his crowd at the inauguration and fact checkers disagreed. He insisted that all federal agencies toe the line as far as saying anything about his success and prowess attracting crowds or anything else and one little national park (Badlands) in the upper midwest said "nope" and published the photos anyway. At that point all of the "ALT" sites started up - Alt-NPS, Alt-CDC, Alt-USFS, Alt-GOV, Alt-you-name-it. He is fighting tooth and nail to keep himself out of court and from having a federal conviction that would be the clearest sign he can't hold the Presidency. So far it was a single individual, a woman, whose case had him proven to be a sexual predator and a guilty of defamation. Of all the the legal cases against him now, I predict it's going to be a woman making him toe the line and ultimately taking him down. Whether the case about Stormy Daniels or the case in D.C. that Tanya Chutkan is overseeing, someone is going to slip through his legal blockade and nail his ass. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: The Sandman Date: 18 Mar 24 - 03:50 AM https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/06/donald-trump-sean-hannity-dictator-day-one-response-iowa-town-hall |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Donuel Date: 17 Mar 24 - 08:28 AM So Trump has won the delay game with lawyers, judges, and even Merrit Garland. That is not winning the Presidency. Don't bet your pension. Americans by in large would rather be citizens than royal subjects. Trump is one marriage away from King Henry the 8th but he has promised a bloodbath, dictatorship, and treason trials. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Mar 24 - 11:12 AM This thread is to do with Trump's court cases. An occasional redundant reminder of what a horrible human being his is can be thrown in periodically. With the exception of those nations with dictator leaders the rest of the world is scared shitless that Trump could come to power again. I suspect all American ex-pats are urged by the residents of their current countries to be sure to vote for Biden. |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: Lighter Date: 16 Mar 24 - 08:15 AM The claim that Biden is a "warmonger" comes straight from the Trump campaign. What war has Biden started? In 2016, Trump told a rally, "In a certain way I *love* war. As long as we're winning." |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: gillymor Date: 16 Mar 24 - 06:37 AM ...lazy, incompetent... |
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Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III From: gillymor Date: 16 Mar 24 - 06:36 AM ...fraud, cheat... |
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