Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Feb 24 - 02:26 PM

Lots of moving parts when keeping track of Trump trials. There are two higher courts looking at his claims of immunity and his standing as far as appearing on ballots in states.

Looking into the final verdict in the civil fraud trial that wrapped up last month, last Friday a spokesman for the New York State Office of Court Administration said "It’s looking like early to mid-February, as a rough estimate, and subject to modifications. But that’s the working plan now."

In the E. Jean Carroll second trial, Trump has 30 days after the judgement to pay at least $90M, though she can't collect until after the appeal. Trump is trying to get the results overturned because Carroll's lead attorney worked in the same legal firm as the judge thirty years ago. He is the king of grasping at straws. He already dropped $5M in cash for the first Carroll verdict last year.

In Business Insider they say

A source familiar with the case, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to do so publicly, told Business Insider that Trump's $5.5 million was still there, pending the outcome of his appeal of that first verdict. An appellate court is set to eventually decide whether Carroll gets all, some, or none of that $5.5 million.

This time around, Trump can again ask the judge to let him set Carroll's second, much higher damages award aside in a court-managed account. There, it would sit pending appeal, just like the $5.5 million from the first verdict.

If the judge says no — and $90 million is a lot for a court to babysit — Trump would have to secure Carroll's money through what's called an appeal bond.

The bond would cost him a lot more. Follow the link for that discussion.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 04 Feb 24 - 02:28 PM

Regarding military spending, I think that the Ukraine situation was mentioned, but probably not military spending within the U.S.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Feb 24 - 01:23 PM

I watch that program almost every week (when I remember). It was Washington Week In Review forever and had some standout hosts. Heartbreak when Gwen Ifill died (age 61). They have had different hosts over the years, not for so long. It is a recent development that they merged with The Atlantic magazine for this program.

I don't remember hearing any particular revelations regarding the outlook for military spending on that program.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 04 Feb 24 - 12:53 PM

Yesterday I watched this TV show for only the second time. As it happens this episode was about spending intentions of Biden compared with Trump, including military spending, and one of the comments was that Trump has made no statements about his spending intentions or his political aims in his campaign speeches.

(Note: I suspect that his only intention in getting re-elected is to grant himself some pardons and do some damage to those he considers to be his political enemies.)

PBS Washington Week With The Atlantic

The info about the show is: "PBS Washington Week with The Atlantic is the longest-running primetime news and public affairs program on television. The show features a group of journalists participating in a weekly roundtable discussion of major news events. Moderated by Jeffrey Goldberg, Editor-in-Chief of The Atlantic."

The episode I saw yesterday shows it as a preview now but the full episode should become available soon - I expect:

Preview: Coming Up on Washington Week with The Atlantic Feb. 01, 2024 AT 7:23 p.m. EST

Episode overview:

"U.S. Retaliation Amid Middle East Chaos:

"Earlier this week, President Biden told reporters that he has decided how the U.S. will respond to the Iran-backed militia drone attack that killed three American soldiers in Jordan on Sunday. The Biden administration has made it clear that the U.S. does not want war with Iran, as any plans to retaliate could further escalate tensions in the Middle East.

"It’s unclear if the mounting foreign conflicts will spill over into the voting booth as Americans head for a potential Biden-Trump rematch this November.

"Joining editor in chief of The Atlantic and moderator, Jeffrey Goldberg to discuss this and more:

    "Peter Baker, Chief White House Correspondent, New York Times
    "Susan Glasser, Staff Writer, The New Yorker
    "Lara Seligman, Defense Reporter, POLITICO
    "Nancy Youssef, National Security Correspondent, Wall Street Journal"

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Feb 24 - 10:21 AM

Dick's dog whistle post (was the start of a new thread) has been moved over here because it boils down to a discussion of what crazy things would Trump do if he was elected again. We can see what Biden is attempting (though quiet diplomacy seems to be a concept beyond the pundits at FAUX news). Support of Ukraine, and still try for a two-state solution. Trump doesn't want either of those.

Put briefly: the Democrats are the party that manages to reduce the national debt, though I don't know if Biden has been able to put a dent in what Trump generated in his four years. The intersection of COVID and the war in Ukraine may have made trimming impossible at this point.

What Trump says and what he does are influenced and often exaggerated by the lunatic chorus in the House of Representatives (in particular). They say they want to spend less but then spend all of their time giving tax breaks to the rich and corporations to reduce revenue, following by cuts in essential services due to the revenue drop. Their spending on military things seems to remain the same (though they say they'll cut off Ukraine if Trump is elected. That's the foolish penny wise and pound foolish approach to world stability.)

Subject: BS: USA FOREIGN POLICY
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Feb 24 - 04:54 AM

The United States led the ranking of countries with highest military spending in 2022, with 877 billion U.S. dollars dedicated to the military. That constituted nearly 40 percent of the total military spending worldwide that year, which amounted to 2.2 trillion U.S. dollars.30 Nov 2023.
Is there likely to be any difference if Republicans win an elewction instead of Democrats?
Can any USA members know of any specific election promises relating to arms spending

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Feb 24 - 07:22 PM

McConnel's lament: the party's over
INTRO.
I always ew you're no good for us.
Learning to lose took guts,
Tore my shirt to stop your bleedin'
But nothin' ever stops your liein
And I'll call you when the party's over
But nothin' is better sometimes
Once we've both said our goodbyes
Let's just let it go
Let me let you go


Verse:
The party's over
It's time to call it a day
They've burst your petty balloon
And taken your cash away
It's time to wind up the masquerade
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid
The party's over
The candles flicker and dim
You golfed and dreamed through the night
It seemed to be right just being the Don
Now you must wake up, all dreams must end
Take off your orange mask, the party's over
It's all over, ass hole
The party's over
It's time to call it a day
Now you must wake up, all dreams must end
Take off your makeup, the party's over
It's all over, ass hole

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 02 Feb 24 - 12:05 PM

Thanks SRS. All I saw was an article which briefly mentioned the documents released and stated that Trump was one of the names listed.

I confess, mea culpa, that as soon as I saw his name on the list I made the assumption that he was likely to have done some of the bad things.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 24 - 09:02 AM

Can someone explain how the Fundraising for the presidential campaigns fits in?

The linked article (From Polico, an online news service founded in Washington) seems to indicate that the more money someone has, the more likely they are to be elected :-( I know there is a lot wrong with UK politics but I don't think we have that problem yet! Can you also tell me that the fundraising for Trump cannot go towards his legal bills? It reads as though it does but surely that is fraud. Not that that matters to Trump.

A much more uplifting article from the same magazine (which I can understand) is 30 things about Biden you might have missed. Fire these back at Biden detractors. Not that they will take any nitice but at least it is good ammunition

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 02 Feb 24 - 07:29 AM

Clinton was "named" too, Helen, which only means mentioned as having associated with Epstein.

Neither Clinton nor Trump was accused of wrongdoing.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/01/03/jeffrey-epstein-list-clinton-trump/72086945007/

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 01 Feb 24 - 08:19 PM

Thanks Lighter, I knew I had heard of the Steele dossier before. I guess Trump thinks that if a case doesn't work out for him in the U.S. he can try it on again in the U.K.

SRS, I agree. I laughed out loud at this bit:

Trump "...accused a former British spy of making 'shocking and scandalous claims' that were false and harmed his reputation".

Huh??!! What does he think his reputation looks like to everyone? The way to "harm" his reputation would be to polish it up and make him look like a saint ... which he ain't.

Which reminds me, didn't his name get revealed in the documents released about the Jeffrey Epstein case?

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 01 Feb 24 - 05:37 PM

Wikipedia:

"On March 24, 2022, Trump filed a RICO lawsuit in the US District Court for the Southern District of Florida against Clinton, Steele, and many others.[543] The case was dismissed on September 8, 2022. The judge wrote that "despite the numerous references to [Steele] in Trump's lawsuit, 'none specifically attribute any false statement about Plaintiff to him'".[544]"

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Feb 24 - 03:07 PM

Since it has been proven in court here in the US that Trump partakes in "perverted sexual acts" he really can't make the case over in the UK or Russia.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 01 Feb 24 - 01:27 PM

Another lawsuit has not gone in Trump's favour (I've copied the first half of the article):

Donald Trump lawsuit over allegations of 'perverted sexual acts' in Russia dismissed by UK court

"In short: A judge has thrown out a lawsuit which former US president Donald Trump brought against a former British spy, whose dossier containing allegations of ties between Mr Trump and Russia caused a political storm in 2017.

"The so-called Steele dossier claimed Mr Trump also engaged in "perverted sexual acts" in Russia, which Mr Trump has always denied.

"What's next? A judge ruled there were "no compelling reasons" for Mr Trump's claim to proceed to a trial, and he is yet to comment publicly.

"A judge in London's High Court threw out a lawsuit by former US president Donald Trump on Thursday, which accused a former British spy of making "shocking and scandalous claims" that were false and harmed his reputation.

"Mr Trump, the frontrunner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, had sued private investigations firm Orbis Business Intelligence about claims in a dossier written by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, who co-founded the firm.

"The so-called Steele dossier alleged ties between Mr Trump's campaign and Russia.

"Mr Trump, 77, said in a witness statement made public in October that he brought the case to prove claims in the dossier, published by the BuzzFeed website in 2017, that he engaged in "perverted sexual acts" in Russia, were false.

"The uncorroborated allegations caused a political storm just before Mr Trump's inauguration in January 2017.

"Mr Steele, who once ran the Russia desk for Britain's Secret Intelligence Service, also known as MI6, was paid by Democrats to compile research that included salacious allegations that Russians could potentially use to blackmail Mr Trump."

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Jan 24 - 12:23 PM

Last night on PBS (Public Broadcasting System) the documentary program Frontline took a look at the reason for the cases around Trump. 90 minutes well spent should you choose to watch it (and if it is available in your country. Might want to use a VPN with a US IP if you can't see it from there.)

A Guide to the Criminal Cases Against Donald Trump

As FRONTLINE examines in the new documentary Democracy on Trial, some of those charges against Trump — who is now the front-runner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination — stem from his election loss in 2020 and his role in widespread efforts to overturn the results.

The former president has pleaded not guilty to the charges against him and is scheduled to stand trial in multiple cases in the coming months. Trump has insisted that the cases against him are politically motivated and his lawyers have filed motions arguing that presidents have absolute immunity from prosecution for actions taken while in office. “Donald Trump is going to be the defendant and the candidate all wrapped into one,” New Yorker journalist Susan Glasser tells FRONTLINE in the documentary. “It’s just unprecedented.”

As the scheduled start dates of the trials approach, and Trump’s team has sought delays, here are key details of the criminal cases pending against the former president.

See the list of cases by following the link at the top.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Jan 24 - 10:23 AM

FUNNY Helen

The Kingdom, the Power and the Glory
American evangelism in the age of extremism by Tim Alberta

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/01/evangelicals-american-politics-tim-alberta-book-excerpt-00129319

The Trump Messiah Project

There is also a Homeschooling branch of evangelicals teaching Holy Trumpism

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 31 Jan 24 - 01:27 AM

I'm proposing a new entry in the dictionary: not "temper tantrums" but "temper tanTrumps". What do you think?

I'm sure the tanTrumps will be multiplying over the next few months at least, but probably until the election and its aftermath. We've already seen the post E. Jean Carroll settlement tanTrump. :-D

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 24 - 07:04 PM

Most likely a Trump supporter made an anonymous call for SWAT to respond to a shooting of a female at Nikki Halley's house.
Only her elderly parents were home and were greeted by dozens of hair-trigger automatic weapons and fully armored 'troops'.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 24 - 06:32 PM

Jean looked at Trump, sized him up, and saw he was a big nothing.

The chair of the RNC tried to publicly cancel the primary vote by declaring Trump the winner now that he has 32 of the 1,215 delegate votes required to win. That is like dismissing 69 million voters.
It is such a bad look for the Republican Party that they walked it back. Canceling elections sounded like the easy MAGA thing to do.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jan 24 - 10:20 PM

Rachel Maddow and E. Jean cut Trump down to size this evening. The introduction was excellent - giving an overview of the journalistic career of Elizabeth Jean Carroll. And the revelation that E. Jean made in court - he's not so big and isn't scary when he's cut down to size in court. He doesn't like it when the judge has him under control.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jan 24 - 07:00 PM

I HAVE BEEN TOLD GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS SO "Trump IS doing God's work for this country, and that's why I'll stay with him to the end."

EX General Flynn is doing all the church work on that end of the Trump campaign.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 29 Jan 24 - 04:15 PM

I didn't read the article, Helen. Thanks for posting more of it.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 28 Jan 24 - 04:56 PM

More from the article I quoted from in the interview with Bernie Sanders:

"'The average American worker today, his or her wages are lower than they were 50 years ago, parents are worried about their kids who might have a lower standard of living than they do,' Senator Sanders said.

"'People are feeling that government does not listen, does not understand their pain. And they are turning to somebody who says: 'Forget all of that. I've got the answer. Don't worry about democracy. I'll take care of it for you.'

"While Senator Sanders doesn't blame ordinary Americans for putting their faith in former president Trump, he says the consequences of a Trump victory would be dire for the entire world.

"'Everything is at stake … If the United States moves in an authoritarian way, it will certainly send a signal to every country on Earth that, that's the future of politics.' Senator Sanders said of Donald Trump.

"'He's a phoney, he's a pathological liar. But I'm afraid his appeal is working.'"

.....

"'I don't want to speculate about the what-ifs, what should have happened, Biden is the candidate and our job is … to make it very clear that Biden has done some good things … I think he's not getting the credit for what he has done.'

"'What we have got to make clear to ordinary Americans is you may not like everything that Biden has done, maybe you think he's too old … but you know what? The alternative is a hell of a lot worse'."

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 28 Jan 24 - 03:13 PM

Lighter, did you read the whole article? I couldn't decide which bits to quote because it was all relevant.

I think what he said is fairly similar to what you just said.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 28 Jan 24 - 03:02 PM

I think Bernie is living in the past.

I don't believe Trump or any of associates has ever said a word about raising wages, strengthening unions, or addressing economic problems other than slapping tariffs on imports. They're not even promising more tax cuts (but wait till the election gets closer).

After more than a decade, Republicans still offer no replacement for Obamacare for the non-wealthy, which they continually promise to revoke.

Low wages and the like undoubtedly contribute to the broad resentment of American society by many working-class GOP supporters, but they rarely mention it, except to assert that immigrants are going to steal their jobs and sponge off their taxes.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jan 24 - 02:46 PM

I thought I had linked this article from the Royal Society before but I cannot find it now. Makes a lot of sense and explains the appeal to so many.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 28 Jan 24 - 02:35 PM

An interview on Australian TV:

Bernie Sanders says US is facing an inequality crisis and Donald Trump is not the answer

"Bernie Sanders doesn't blame ordinary Americans for succumbing to the appeal of Donald Trump.

"'I want the people of Australia to understand it's not because everybody who votes for Trump is a racist, or a sexist or a homophobe,' US Senator Sanders told 7.30.

"According to Senator Sanders, the leader of the US progressive movement who campaigned twice for nomination for president, much of the response to Mr Trump is driven by economic conditions.

"'Millions of people are hurting, they're suffering,' Senator Sanders said."

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 28 Jan 24 - 01:41 PM

Trump supporter in Las Vegas (CNN):

"Trump is doing God's work for this country, and that's why I'll stay with him to the end."

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jan 24 - 12:43 PM

I think E. Jean Carroll will be interviewed again on the Rachel Maddow Show on Monday (Jan. 29 on MSNBC). She is 80 and is going to have to wait through appeals and foot dragging, but Trump has to already cough up the money so it is for now in limbo in the court coffers. She says she has to think about what to do with it (foundation-wise, one assumes), but for now, she plans to start giving her two dogs premium dog food. This is the woman who Trump insists is dining out on the fame and proceeds of his past attention.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jan 24 - 09:06 AM

Make America Wait Again...

to address
Climate change,
Immigration reform,
Racial harmony,
Gun reform,
Responsible journalism,
Federalism,
Electoral College (somehow worse than real college)
A political Supreme Court
Free Elections


That is if Trump wins.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 27 Jan 24 - 12:58 PM

Thanks Lighter for the info on votes in 2020 compared with 2016. It will be interesting to compare with this year's votes.

I'm wondering whether his supporter numbers are less since his legal troubles began and I'm thinking the attendance numbers at his rallies and events might be an indication.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 27 Jan 24 - 10:33 AM

Trump follower:

"I don't care how much they gave her. It didn't happen. If it happened, why didn't she scream? Why did she wait thirty years to bring charges? Nobody saw anything. And these judges won't let him defend himself in court.

"Plus it was a New York jury. They hate Trump in New York."

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 27 Jan 24 - 08:05 AM

He received eleven million more votes in 2020 than in 2016.

2016: 63 million.

2020: 74 million.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 26 Jan 24 - 10:02 PM

Is there any information available on whether the numbers of people attending his rallies and events are significantly less than in his 2016 campaign? I'm thinking that that might be an indication of whether he is losing support from the people who would have voted for him back then.

I'm wondering whether there is a site which has comparative statistics.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 24 - 09:53 PM

It has already changed his behavior. He did not continue to defame Jean tonight. While an appeal may cut the amount we seem to be speaking his language now.

Navarro and Steve Bannon both got 4 months in jail. Fox News Corp is looking at a 2.7 billion dollar lawsuit from Smartmatic voting machines.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jan 24 - 07:18 PM

By the time he pays off Carroll and the 350 million or so the State of New York attorney general is asking for (a summary judgment has already found him guilty of inflating those values - the judge needs to name the penalty) pundits figure Trump is going to have to start selling properties to pay the bills.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Jan 24 - 06:47 PM

> I'm sure it's just small change for Trump

I've just been told [Herself, pri comm] that the jury set the penalty .... and methinks they'll have gone by his *reported* level of wealth. Words like "hoist" and "petard" come to mind. How he gets the monies is left as an exercise for the cynic.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 26 Jan 24 - 05:50 PM

Good news, Lighter!! But I'm sure it's just small change for Trump. And I am also sure he will appeal the decision.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Jan 24 - 05:37 PM

If you haven't heard, an hour ago the jury hit Trump for $83 million.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Jan 24 - 02:52 PM

The Vegas odds link:


https://www.vegasinsider.com/odds/us-presidential-election/

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jan 24 - 02:16 PM

The jury in the E. Jean Carroll case have been charged with deciding the penalty Trump must pay.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Jan 24 - 01:17 PM

Michael Tomasky in The New Republic. I think he's right on, at least where I live:

"Support for Democrats has shriveled in rural America to near nonexistence, such that it is now next to impossible to imagine Democrats being elected to public office at nearly any level in about two-thirds of the country.... Right-wing media took over in these places and convinced people who live in them that liberals are all God-hating superwoke snowflakes who are nevertheless also capable of destroying civilization.... If someone had formed a liberal Sinclair [a popular right-wing network] 20 years ago to gain reach into rural and small-town America, that story would be very different today."

Las Vegas odds-makers now pick Trump to win November:

More on MAGA:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-trumps-followers-still-love-103005015.html

The godfather of all this, if there was only one, was radio commentator Rush Limbaugh, who started the radical-populist ball rolling around 1990 and was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by DJT thirty years later.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jan 24 - 11:53 AM

But none of this matters because he cannot possibly be re-elected.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 24 - 04:56 PM

As for real issues, they have to be real to be real. Belief on the other hand trumps reason and fact. Its how religion works too.
For the most part your list is a collection of post-hypnotic suggestions that only serve Trump and his cronies.

As for his MAGA cronies, Trump is turning on many of them with extreme passion. Any dissent and he responds with threats and vows to blacklist the families, donors and friends of the RHINOS. This vindictive paranoid behavior is typical of Hitler, Stalin, and other dictators who go so far as to kill their own 'fiends', I mean friends.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Lighter
Date: 25 Jan 24 - 04:24 PM

Donuel, those are not the things my neighbors want either.

Except for "re-elected."

What they want is Trump. Many "dislike him personally," but "he did a lot of good things for this country," and they will vote for him enthusiastically in November.

Many don't "want" so much as "fear."

What they fear, in no particular order, includes:

Government seizure of firearms.

The government sending jobs to China and Mexico   

Illegal immigrants stealing jobs, smuggling drugs, killing Americans, voting Democrat, and getting free health care and welfare benefits while they slowly become the majority in what's left of the country.

Unelected "activist" judges who twist the law because they were appointed by Clinton, Obama, or Biden.

"Democrat wars" and support for Ukraine, which has nothing to do with us.

Biden and his "crime family" "selling us out" to China for millions in bribes.

Universities that teach atheism, lies, and Marxism.

The removal of statues of American heroes and the renaming of military bases in the South named for Confederate officers, who were just as patriotic as Union officers.

Kamala Harris becoming President.

Hunter Biden getting away with crime because he's a Biden.

Powerful elites who despise ordinary Americans.

Blue states with sanctuary cities and "blue juries."

Persecution of Christians.

The mainstream media that lie about conservatives and won't report the truth.

Federal meddling in our lives.

Regulatory agencies.

Time- and money-wasting sensitivity training.

Islamic terrorists coming from Mexico.

Muslims.

Immigrant kids who speak "strange languages" that "nobody knows" packing our schools and making teaching impossible.

Government and private censorship of MAGA speech.

Legalized abortion.

George Soros.

Laws and lawsuits that hamstring police.

The "Deep State."

The "administrative state."

School shootings that Democrats won't prevent by arming teachers.

Government health care that tells people what doctor they can see and what treatment they can get, and that takes taxpayer cash to treat and give free, overpriced drugs to alcoholics, dope addicts, and other freeloaders.

Dangerous vaccines that don't work anyway.

Doctors who shill for the crooked vaccine manufacturers.

A fascistic government "ordering" people to wear useless, harmful masks in a pandemic.

Climate-change "loons" who want to destroy business and industry and make everyone buy electric stoves and vehicles they don't want and can't afford.

A "weaponized" Justice Department "coming after" Americans for speaking out against the Biden "regime."

The highest crime rates in American history.

The highest taxes in American history.

The worst inflation in American history.

The collapsing American economy.

The "weak," "bumbling," "senile" "tyrant" "Crooked Joe" and his shadowy "handlers" who tell him what to do.

The Socialist "Squad."

Globalists.

Transsexuals.

Gay marriage and the destruction of the family.

Influential fools who teach that America is a Democrat democracy when it's "really" a Republican republic.

LGBTQ teachers "grooming" our kids.

Kids being taught they can choose their own gender.

Teachers telling white kids they and their families are racists responsible for slavery.

Teachers telling black kids they'll always be victims because America is fundamentally racist.

The "woke mob."

"Cancel culture."

The "weakness" and "wokeness" of our military.

Foreign countries "laughing at us" for our stupidity and weakness.

Membership in NATO, which costs us billions and will get us into war.

Biden's high gas prices.

Non-MAGA politicians, who are mostly crooked and un-American.

Elections carefully rigged against conservatives.

Hollywood pushing immorality on our kids.

The Big Lie that Biden won fair and square.

Judges who dismiss the proof that Biden cheated.

A rogue FBI and CIA spying on, framing, and imprisoning American patriots.

Liberal news that smears Trump by taking remarks "out of context" and/or not acknowledging he was "just being sarcastic."

Critical race theory.

BLM mobs burning cities like Portland while liberal mayors look the other way.

The replacement of truthful American history with Marxist Liberal lies and distortions.

The railroading by corrupt DAs and judges, under Biden's orders, of America's "true leader," Donald Trump.


Quite a list. Quite a collective nightmare. Everything in quotes is an actual quote. I have heard or read of every one of these fears from actual Trump supporters.

For MAGA voters these are, in varying degrees, the "real issues."

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 25 Jan 24 - 03:50 PM

Well said, MaJoC.

I was thinking of a similar quote, "hope for the best but prepare for the worst".

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 25 Jan 24 - 03:02 PM

> The view from the UK is so pessimistic.

It reminds us right-pondians too much of some more-painful-than-somewhat episodes of our own recent history, which we neglected to do enough about till it was far too late. It doesn't help that our papers thrive on using scary headlines to increase their sales.

> And wrong.

I really, really hope so. All we can do from this distance is worst-case planning for potential fallout .... and that last word was chosen carefully: "Si vis pacem, para bellum", an' all that.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 24 - 12:29 PM

Sorry, I misspelled Jon Stewart. John Stewart was born in Virginia to Baptists of mixed European and African descent in 1786.
Jon Stewart is born and bred in NYC.

Successfully mocking dictators is an age-old valuable strategy in overcoming such villains. Jon does this very well.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 24 - 12:13 PM

91 INDICTMENTS are but a small sliver of the subject of Trumpian cult grievance-chaos politics and racist fascism.
To assume a simple overview of these issues are irrelevant and should be expunged is myopic in my opinion, especially after it is decreed that no new Trump threads are allowed.

To nearly quote Ben Franklin, for now, we have a Republic if we can keep it.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Jan 24 - 12:08 PM

Bad news for Trump - a huge thorn in his side is returning to The Daily Show on the Comedy Central network for the rest of the campaign year. As mentioned above, Jon Stewart to return to ‘The Daily Show’ as a host and executive producer

“In our age of staggering hypocrisy and performative politics,” McCarthy added, “Jon is the perfect person to puncture the empty rhetoric and provide much-needed clarity with his brilliant wit.”

Stewart gained acclaim hosting “The Daily Show” for his sharp humor which was deployed to deliver stinging — and hilarious — monologues often aimed at exposing the hypocrisy of politicians.

With the 2024 election featuring Joe Biden and Donald Trump, Stewart is likely to have no shortage of material to work with. Stewart has been a strong critic of Trump and will undoubtedly use the platform to needle the former president.

Stewart’s return to the venerable show is sure to generate significant excitement and provide a much-needed jolt of buzz to boost the show, which has struggled to find its footing in recent times.

"Needle" is putting it mildly. Stewart's jabs connect when he targets Trump, and Trump hates it.