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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Jul 24 - 01:13 AM And so the Tories’ Gish Gallop continues apace… Please doG, make it stop! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Jul 24 - 05:38 PM ...and claiming Starmer will be a part time prime minister because he wants to spend Friday evenings with his family. They really are desperate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Jul 24 - 05:34 PM OMG. They have wheeled out the blonde buffoon. I think I'm going to be sick... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 02 Jul 24 - 04:08 PM Well the level of debate was very poor in 2016. People were voting to leave without knowing what the terms of leaving were going to be. That is what the main problem was. I originally thought we would have to give it 5 years from 1.1.21 to see how things would work out. Due to Covid and Ukraine, I now think it will be 1.1.31 before we get a true picture. Even now the UK has not implemented all the import regulations that should be in force. I did vote to remain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Jul 24 - 02:39 PM I think we were tipped over the edge with all the lies in 2016. Compounded by the circus that was led by Bozo later. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 02 Jul 24 - 01:38 PM I think a lot of people have had a low opinion of politicians for quite a long while. I don't think any recent coverage has made much difference to that. You only have to read what some people think about their local council members. I am surprised that people are still prepared to take on the job. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Jul 24 - 01:11 PM Trouble is, everyone is so pissed off with politics that they are reluctant to vote. Not surprising considering the performance of the last shower of shits. Sadly, the right wing rags are convincing some of the electorate that all politicians now act in the same way that the Tories have in the last few years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 02 Jul 24 - 12:15 PM I see that there have been some problems for some people wishing to vote by post From the BBC Royal Mail denies postal vote backlog as concerns raised I hope that there is a good turnout. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Jul 24 - 11:54 AM Just a couple of days to go. My ideal result would be Labour in but good representation from the other progressive parties to try and twist their arm for electoral reform. Not nuch chance I suppose but at least the most corrupt government in my memory should be reduced to ashes. Anyone care to speculate as to what shape the UK will be in on Friday? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Jun 24 - 06:48 AM Good article - Thank you |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 29 Jun 24 - 06:23 AM Article by Marina Hyde in The Guardian sums it up well.. Take it on trust, Britain’s politicians beg voters. Trouble is, we all know they’re lying I think that most of us vote in the hope that things will get better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 29 Jun 24 - 03:50 AM So true, RD. But the Tories, in particular, have told barefaced lies, even when those lies are challenged by independent sources they’ve continued to peddle them. They have absolutely no shame. Even our member here, who habitually defends the indefensible Tories, seems to have given up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 29 Jun 24 - 03:46 AM Re. Postal votes. I was surprised to hear on BBC Radio 4 that in the last election 28% of the votes in Scotland were by post. In the UK as a whole, 21% of the votes were by post in the last election. On another matter, I mentioned earlier that there are 11 candidates standing in Dover & Deal. Anyone else here have more candidates than that? It does mean that there will be a lot more paper to be recycled. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 29 Jun 24 - 03:36 AM At least there is not long to go now BWM. I have been fed up with a lot of the campaigning by all the parties. It was very noticeable when all the parties were questioned about their manifestos. They nearly all seemed to respond by attacking other parties manifestos rather than answer questions about their own. I am just hoping that people will vote in this election.A low turnout is not good for any of us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 29 Jun 24 - 02:45 AM It really is very galling to hear members of the party who themselves elected Boris Johnson and Liz Truss, the two worst Prime Ministers in living memory, now weaponising Keir Starmer’s support of his leader, Jeremy Corbyn, in the 2019 election. A real case of the pot calling the kettle black. There really is no line below which the Tories will not stoop in their hopelessness and desperation, is there? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 27 Jun 24 - 11:29 AM > I didn’t even read the Reform UK leaflet that came > through my letterbox. I'm convinced the only reason Herself reads such things is to stave off low blood pressure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Jun 24 - 04:59 AM I didn’t even read the Reform UK leaflet that came through my letterbox. Like the Tory leaflet, it went straight in the bin. And anyway, they were both too late - I’d already voted when they arrived, and not for either of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: DMcG Date: 27 Jun 24 - 04:49 AM I was interested when the Reform leaflet popped through my door yesterday (not, not in that way!) There is a convention with election material. I am from Southampton, so each candidate will say what their links to Southampton are, why they are the right choice and how the parties policies apply to Southampton. OK, there will be a lot of boiler-plate common to election material for all candidates, but it will at least attempt to show some relationship to the constituency. We will all have heard of some Conservative candidates going so far down this approach that there is no mention of their leader at all. So that is what struck me about the Reform leaflet. Apart from a white rectangle where the name of the candidate and constituency were printed, there was no mention about the candidate or location at all. The leaflets appear to have all been printed at a central location with as little relevance to the candidate and location as the address of an Amazon parcel I get. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 26 Jun 24 - 03:48 PM Rwanda policy has reared its ugly head. Where is the tories porposal to round up racist and ne-n***s until they have proved to Rwandan authorities they have the right to return to the UK. Sunak is so pathetic, all that mouth piece is talking over everyone. Why isn't the presenter telling him to shut his mouth and wait his turn to speak. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 26 Jun 24 - 03:42 PM Sunak is back on his normal condescending form wittering on about secret plans this or secret plans that? When is he going to come clean about his secret plans to force people with long term health conditions into debilitating work. With regards to welfare reforms (mostly claimed by people in work), why are their no proposals to make work equally debilitating for people without health conditions? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Jun 24 - 02:19 AM I think you could start a new thread on that, Dick. It is not Brexit or UK politics and will be lost here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 11:48 PM Assange release Link Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/media/julian-assange Explainer: who is Julian Assange and what are the details of his plea deal? After five years in jail, Julian Assange is expected to plead guilty to a single charge that will allow him to walk free and return to Australia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 02:18 PM It is to do with me personally ,because i paid taxes in the uk and receive a uk pension, and i like many other taxpayers who live abroad have a valid interst in how the country is run. like many others i pay tax on everything i buy,in the country i live in, and when i visit the uk pay tax on what i buy then. i alsp pay direct interest tax on any savings i have in the country i live in, if i have any savings. so i pay tax in two countries.That is fair IMO |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 12:50 PM Good point Nigel, something that hadn’t occurred to me. Thanks for that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 25 Jun 24 - 12:10 PM BWM: Can someone please explain why someone who lives outside the UK should have any right to vote in UK elections? One reason might be that they have a pension derived from working in the UK, and so have a valid interest in how this country is run. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 11:23 AM ….(or, IMHO, the unfairness)… |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 11:22 AM But that’s not what I asked - my question was about the fairness (or, IMHO, the And please don’t try to make this about you as you so often do - it’s SFA to do with you personally, it’s a genuine question about emigrants from this country in general. Can anyone explain why it’s fair, because I don’t see it as such? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 10:23 AM Backwoodsman Details The Common Travel Area (CTA) is a long-standing arrangement between the UK, the Crown Dependencies (Bailiwick of Jersey, Bailiwick of Guernsey and the Isle of Man) and Ireland that pre-dates both British and Irish membership of the EU and is not dependent on it. Under the CTA, British and Irish citizens can move freely and reside in either jurisdiction and enjoy associated rights and privileges, including the right to work, study and vote in certain elections, as well as to access social welfare benefits and health services. The UK and Irish governments signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) in May 2019 reaffirming our commitment to maintain the CTA, and the associated rights and privileges, in all circumstances. On signing the MoU, both governments released a Joint Statement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 10:15 AM it is a reciprocal arrangement,BETWEEN ireland and uk, that existed before either joined the COmMON MARKET. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 09:35 AM Can someone please explain why someone who lives outside the UK should have any right to vote in UK elections? I’ve opened a large packet of popcorn… |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 25 Jun 24 - 09:27 AM Voting if you live overseas If you are a British or eligible Irish citizen living abroad who has previously lived in the UK or been registered to vote in the UK, you can register to vote in UK Parliamentary elections. A number of changes to voting from overseas now apply: You can register to vote if you previously lived in the UK but were not registered to vote. You can register to vote in the UK no matter how long ago you left or were last registered to vote. Your overseas declaration is now valid for three years, lasting until 1 November in the third year after it takes effect (for example, if your declaration takes effect on 1 March 2024, it will expire on 1 November 2026). You can now register online (not available in Northern Ireland). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Jun 24 - 04:15 AM Thanks for the PM Dick and I understand why you want to keep it private. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 25 Jun 24 - 04:07 AM Heard this yesterday on BBC Radio 4 The City That Stayed at Home "At the last general election, three of the four seats with the lowest turnout, where the lowest number of eligible people came out to vote, were in Hull. Alex Forsyth sits down with people who stay at home on election day to find out why. She begins in Hull East, the seat which had the lowest turnout in the UK at the last general election, visiting Marfleet, a ward with low turnout at local elections. She explores how a pattern of not voting is repeated in other parts of the city. Alex goes on to examine the complex reasons for not voting and speaks to those who believe key events in the city's history might provide part of the answer." ++ Not the most encouraging programme. I have the feeling that the turnout next week might not be great. I hope that I am wrong, as I do not think that low turnouts are a good thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 25 Jun 24 - 03:29 AM The Sandman wrote 'She is an individual with a large following she said she would not be voting labour, she may not affect how you vote but she may influence others,' Meanwhile J K Rowling wrote 'An independent candidate is standing in my constituency who’s campaigning to clarify the Equality Act. Perhaps that’s where my X will have to go on July 4th. As long as Labour remains dismissive and often offensive towards women fighting to retain the rights their foremothers thought were won for all time, I’ll struggle to support them. The women who wouldn’t wheesht didn’t leave Labour. Labour abandoned them.' J K Rowling - My article for The Times on Labour and women’s rights ++ Sometimes casting a vote comes down to a single issue. I have no doubt that there are other women who share Rowling's concern. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Jun 24 - 03:04 AM Do you vote in the UK or the RoI Dick? Just out of interest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 02:46 AM She is an individual with a large following she said she would not be voting labour, she may not affect how you vote but she may influence others, I think that voting for a party that may improve trade treaties between uk and europe is the most important issue so she will not affect how i vote |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 24 Jun 24 - 08:02 AM …otherwise, I enjoyed her books very much, especially those published under her pseudonym, Robert Galbraith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 24 Jun 24 - 08:00 AM She’s not a politician, she’s an individual, with her own views on all sorts of things - most of her views which I’ve heard about I agree with, a few I don’t. Why would one person’s personal beliefs affect how I vote? FWIW, I’ve already voted, my vote was based on 77 years of experience, heavily influenced by the behaviour and utterances of political parties and individual politicians since approximately 2015. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 24 Jun 24 - 04:34 AM j k Rowling and labour, are her comments going to affect anyone here and how they vote? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 20 Jun 24 - 04:45 AM Absolutely my pleasure, Doug! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Doug Chadwick Date: 20 Jun 24 - 04:29 AM Thanks BWM. Much appreciated. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 20 Jun 24 - 03:52 AM Our voting system does not help either. First past the post is fine if you just have 2 parties to choose from. With our present system we will most likely end up with a government that the majority of voters have not voted for. Even when we have had governments in the past with a 'super majority' of seats, the majority of voters will not have voted for them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 20 Jun 24 - 03:26 AM Voter confidence is low due to the corruption, lying and scandals that have beset the commons since 2019. The right wing media have exacerbated the situation by excusing the actions of the vile bunch of shysters with a "they are all the same" campaign. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 20 Jun 24 - 03:18 AM An item from the BBC 12.6.24 Voter confidence at record low, says report "Trust and confidence in the UK’s politics and election system has never been worse, according to analysis by the electoral expert, Sir John Curtice. His report for the National Centre for Social Research finds record numbers of voters saying they “almost never” trust governments to put country before party or politicians to tell the truth when in a tight corner. “The public is as doubtful as it has ever been about the trustworthiness and efficacy of the country’s system of government and the people who comprise it,” Sir John says." ×+ Voter apathy and low turnouts are worrying. I think that the turnout for this coming election is not going to be great. Let's hope that they accept my 20 year old photo id when I go to vote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 20 Jun 24 - 03:00 AM I’m amused to hear the Lying Scottish Viper (for the benefit of Doug and Nigel, that’s Gove) on BBC Breakfast just now, squealing like a stuck pig about how dangerous it would be if Labour win a super-majority, and how they would be able to do whatever they liked without an effective opposition - ‘votes for 16-year-olds’ (gasp! shock! horror!), ‘tax rises’ (again!) - priceless, coming from the party who increased taxes to the highest level ever) - yadda yadda. That’s despite Labour’s fully costed manifesto. Funny thing though, we never heard the Tories squealing like stuck pigs when they won a super-majority based on nothing more than a Johnson/Cummings three-word-slogan, did we? They really are defecating building materials! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 19 Jun 24 - 05:37 PM Care from cradle to grave certainly seems to have fell by the wayside. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Raggytash Date: 19 Jun 24 - 02:11 PM I think I am correct in saying that Prescriptions used to be free, that Dental Care used to be free and that Eye Tests used to be free for all. Before a pendant puts forward that some people still get these free, I am aware of that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 19 Jun 24 - 11:34 AM The Tory Chancellor, a former Health Minister, co-authored a policy document setting out how to privatise the NHS. If that isn’t an indicator of their attitude to the NHS, I don’t know what is. Some interesting reading here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 19 Jun 24 - 11:02 AM I sincerely hope that you are right, Nigel, but suspect the worst. The defunding of the NHS seems to be a direct precurser to declaring that the NHS is not working and needs to be privatised. Just opinion of course but given the record of the last government I think it is a fear grounded in reality. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 18 Jun 24 - 09:25 AM Two Tories on BBC's 'Politics Live' today, constantly talking over and shouting down the Labour rep and, rather than putting forward their own party's policies, just repeating their scare-mongering 'Tax rises under Labour' nonsense over and over and over again. The Labour guy, on the other hand, was calm, and was a shining example of how to conduct a discussion. It's as plain as the nose on your face that they're scared shitless, they're desperate, and they know their corrupt, incompetent party of the greedy, and selfish is, quite rightly, absolutely fucked. They've obviously realised that 'Stop The Boats' hasn't conned the voters the way 'Get Brexit Done' did - I wonder when, in their desperation, they'll come up with their next three-word slogan. It's got to be imminent... |
