BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: skipy
Date: 03 May 08 - 06:51 PM

How I wish that I had never even heard of her.
That would mean that the events of last year would not have happened & she would be at home, safe with Mum & Dad.
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 03 May 08 - 05:55 PM

What I meant to say was that they appear to think that a child being abducted is not a result of a child being left alone - it is always someone else's fault.

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 03 May 08 - 05:46 PM

It would also seem that one year on the parents are still reluctant to take any responsibility at all for this disappearance - unless I have missed that bit of course ...... and I agree, Victor is telling the truth. Certainly the parents have said that they wish that they had not left the children alone but they appear to think that leaving children alone and a child being abducted are mutually exclusive events.

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Ythanside
Date: 03 May 08 - 05:24 PM

Keep saying these things, Victor, and you will be attacked constantly for telling the truth.
Those who criticise you seem blind to the fact that children must be protected from those who abuse or neglect them.

Only Madelaine McCann's abductor knows what has happened to her, but the entire world now knows that her parents made a conscious decision to leave her alone with her younger siblings.
Paint it how you wish, they knowingly broke the law. Had they returned sooner and found her safe and well the fact remains that they committed the crime of wilful neglect.

Read any law relating to the care of children and you will see the phrase 'the welfare of the child is of paramount importance'. In other words, above and beyond all other considerations.

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 03 May 08 - 08:24 AM

We do indeed live in a sad world Skarpi. I accept your examples, but neither you nor I would knowingly plan a social evening with friends and agree to leave three children aged three and under alone in a strange environment. Also this was not a one off. The parents admitted that this was not the first night they had done this that week.

Both parents are doctors and would have had a greater insight into what could have happened to such young children left alone, at least one of them must have treated domestic paediatric related injuries.

As a general practitioner Mrs. McCann would have been obligated by law to report any of her patients if she was in receipt of information that they were leaving their children unattended.

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: skarpi
Date: 03 May 08 - 07:58 AM

accidents ?

are saying that they planned this ?

as I said No man knows his future .

" you come home , park your car take your kid in the house
the kid goes in his room , suddenly you must go back to your car to get something and you meet your friend outside your house for five min
then you turn back in your house and you find out that your kid is gone ?

accident ?? I dont think so , you did not see it coming .

but like I said : if they have done something wrong , it will
come back on them , no one can live with a quilt.


Only the future will put a light on this case , what about all the others !!
childs that are taken away and abused , sold , and killed ??

Madeleine is not the only one , Austria for exsamble just
few days ago ?


we live in a sad world .

All the best Skarpi Iceland

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Emma B
Date: 03 May 08 - 07:42 AM

On this anniversary there is indeed world wide news reportage.

In the UK

the Lead item of News at Ten was the McCann documentary!

'Tuesday's News at Ten (ITV1) led on the McCanns and how they felt last August when they were named aguidos in the investigation into the disappearance of their daughter.
We already knew that the McCanns were aguidos, of course, so the news - the biggest story of the day according to Sir Trevor and the team, bigger than petrol prices, or the housing market, or Austria, or Ken v Boris - was that Kate McCann says she felt "angry" and Jerry found it "surreal" when they became people of interest to the inquiry.
Bong: Kate McCann was angry last summer.
Bong: petrol's £5 a gallon.
Bong: the horrid Austrian man is definitely both father and grandfather to lots of kids.'

quote from
Last night's TV The Guardian Thursday May 1

'Time' notes....

'with Saturday marking the first anniversary of the 4-year-old's disappearance from her family's vacation apartment in the Portuguese resort town of Praia da Luz, the ongoing media circus is again revving into overdrive. ....

Indeed, it has already begun. A two-hour television documentary about the girl's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, was broadcast nationally last Wednesday night. It accorded sympathetic treatment to the McCanns, who remain official suspects in the investigation...

...Mark Williams-Thomas is a former detective who's now a regular consultant to various media outlets. He says police working the case in Praia da Luz "are in no rush to lift the arguido status." ...

Williams-Thomas says, it's doubtful the crime will ever be solved, unless Madeleine's body is discovered. He also doubts the police have evidence to charge the McCanns with murder. But, he says, it is likely they will be charged with child neglect, an accusation the McCanns reject.'


Myself, I can only sadly echo the comments from
'Anorak' (Tabloid news for broadsheet readers)

'The parents, friends, police and above all else the media have failed Madeleine McCann.'

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 03 May 08 - 07:35 AM

You are correct in what you say skarpi. However, there is a difference in a child being hit by a truck and two adults going out to drink and party and standing looking at three children aged three and under in their beds and "claiming" to walk out leaving the door unlocked.

The examples you gave are known as accidents.

Thanks eanjay. Don't worry about the name calling, look who the remarks come from !!

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: skarpi
Date: 03 May 08 - 06:59 AM

Victor , no one knows his future not even you !! you could be walking along the street with your child and suddenly a car would drive over it ?
you did not see it coming , still you were there with you r child .

Your in the store with your child and you turn away for 1 sec and the child is gone ?

Its so good to be on the side line and judge , judge things that
we did not take any part of. No one is quilty until it proofs otherwise,
and they have not been proofed that they are .

I am not a judge in this case and neither is you , so just let
the Police and system keep on lookín , they might find something in the end , its a saying the : if you do something wrong in the past , the past will always most always knock on your back .

All the best Skarpi Iceland

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 03 May 08 - 06:59 AM

What a nasty vindictive person you are Victor

It really would be better if people who don't like the subject don't open the thread unless they have something sensible to say in response; that something may even condemn the opening of it again and that is fine, but there definitely is no need for nasty name calling.

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 03 May 08 - 05:57 AM

This news story still generates a lot of public interest. It involves two police forces and three private investigation companies and saw a major European awareness campaign launched.

It's such a sad story. A little three year old girl who was left alone by her parents vanished without trace.

This time last year we had the public support of the Pope, David Beckham, Robbie Williams and many more well known celebrities, sadly none of the above now take an active role in the campaign.

Mr. Polshaw, I think you would find leaving three children aged three and under alone is a crime if you care to look up the Children and Young Persons Act of 1933.

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 May 08 - 04:58 AM

What a nasty vindictive person you are Victor, and so wrongly named.

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 May 08 - 03:50 AM

The McCann's said the calls to prosecute them were hurtful and unhelpful.

They are indeed. As is this thread. Again.

The fact is they were guilty of neglect

The fact is that thay have not been charged with anything let alone tried. The fact is that until they are proven guilty they are assumed innocent. The fact is that those who have tried, sentenced and already executed the McCanns are doing so so they can feel moraly superior. Sorry Victor but they are not. Moraly reprehensible is nearer the mark.

Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Megan L
Date: 03 May 08 - 02:53 AM

There was no need for such a snide remark Victor. The truth is this thread will be as useful as the last one on the subject. Which was all steam and no motion nothing said did anything practicle to find the poor child.

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 02 May 08 - 10:01 PM

Sorcha, it is a current news story. Please check today's BBC website. It is also covered on every television news channel.

So are you saying this section of the site doesn't cover current news stories ?

Dear dear, has someone upset you tonight ?

Subject: RE: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 May 08 - 09:47 PM

You just HAD to start this again didn't you? Can't leave well enough alone on the Mudcat threads.

Subject: BS: Madeline McCann. One year on.
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 02 May 08 - 09:21 PM

Hard to believe that twelve months have passed since Gerry and Kate McCann left their three children alone in an unlocked ground floor apartment in Portugal while they went out for a meal with their friends which resulted in the disappearance of their three year old daughter Madeline.

The parents have been criticised for leaving their children (all under three years of age) alone while they ate and drank at a nearby restaurant despite the availability of a babysitting service and a crèche.

A lady called Pamela Fenn, who lives in the flat above the one the McCann's were in had told police that on the Tuesday night before the disappearance that she had heard Madeleine crying for about 75 minutes before her parents returned from dinner. In an interview with the BBC on 25 May, the McCanns admitted to leaving the children alone for this amount of time that Tuesday night and spoke of the guilt they felt.

A petition to the Prime Minister was started on 12 June requesting that Leicestershire Social Services fulfil their statutory obligation to investigate the circumstances which led to Madeleine and her siblings being left unattended in an unlocked, ground floor hotel room. Crown Prosecution Service lawyers are still to decide whether any offence may have been committed under the Children and Young Persons Act 1933, which deals with ill-treatment, cruelty, neglect and abandonment of these children all under 3 years of age.

The McCann's said the calls to prosecute them were hurtful and unhelpful. The fact is they were guilty of neglect and if they had remained in the company of their children on holiday as most responsible parents do, they would not be in the current situation.