Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: bankley
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 05:09 PM

"prison wall of sound"... he won't make it inside
he's already a dead man walking...

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: heric
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 04:53 PM

The guy has five kids being kept out of the news.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 04:15 PM

I don't believe Spector will leave prison under his own steam. the 19 years to life sentence is a life sentence.

a side bar to all this: I wonder if his membership in the Rock 'n' Roll of Fame will be effected in anyway?

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 03:46 PM

Interestingly, a friend of mine reckons that the BBC have "banned" recordings by Gary Glitter. But, I bet they don't ban Phil Spector's recordings! Which begs the question: which is the worst evil? Having sex with under-aged girls, or murdering someone.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:24 PM

Barry, I think he got 19 years to life. Apparently he's selling his mansion to fund his appeal but in reality there probably is little chance that he will ever be free. What a mess!

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 31 May 09 - 03:39 PM

US sounds a dangerous place to be. 17,000 murders per 300,000,000 population. On that basis we should expext 3,000+ in UK per year. Thankfully it is much lower. (743 for 2006/7.)

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 09 - 12:32 AM

Phil did well with 19yrs. My cousin's already done 19 out of 33-50 and he only commited armed robbery in which not one hair on one head was harmed, where's the justice for murder?

Barry, on another's computer

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: open mike
Date: 31 May 09 - 12:22 AM

he does have a spooky, ghostly look about him : spectre

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: Joe_F
Date: 30 May 09 - 08:15 PM

They did well not to put me on his jury. I believe that the wish to maximize the size of an audience is prima facie evidence of moral turpitude.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: open mike
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:34 PM

and sentenced--http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30997216/

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Jury-Reaches-Verdict-in-Spector-Case.html

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009
From: GUEST,Toasted
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:38 AM

Phil Spector gets 19 years for murder

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 02:16 AM

Thanks

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: Kent Davis
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 09:26 PM

High Hopes,

My point was to answer the question that Les in Chorlton asked on the 17th and, having received no answer, asked again on the 18th.

I'm sorry that wasn't clear to you. I will try to be clearer: Even if Phil Spector had been convicted of capital murder (rather than second-degree murder), and even if he had been poor and obscure (rather than rich and famous), it is unlikely that he would have been executed. Executions are rare in the U.S. as a whole, and are rare in California, where Spector was convicted.


Les in Chorlton,

Texas is the state that has executed the greatest number. Texas has over 24 million inhabitants and has, in the past 32 years, executed 436 murderers.

Kent

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: High Hopes (inactive)
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 03:11 PM

Your point being, Kent?

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: Mary Katherine
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 01:29 PM

Regardless of the use or non-use of the death penalty in California, Phil Spector will not be executed because he was not found guilty of first-degree murder. He was found guilty of second-degree murder, the distinction being that the former crime is eligible for the death penalty while the latter is not.
He has not yet been sentenced, but the "standard" sentence for second-degree murder is 25 years to life in prison. Since he will be 70 on his next birthday, a sentence of the minimum, 25 years, will amount to life in prison as far as he is concerned, even if they knock off a few years for good behavior.
He is not in good health to begin with, and prison health care is not very good in general. Incarceration will probably shorten his life; he is a borderline diabetic, and prison fare is not known for its healthful qualities.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 03:29 AM

Thanks again Kent,

How are things in Texas

L in C

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: Kent Davis
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 03:56 PM

Les in Chorlton,

You are welcome.

California has about 36,000,000 inhabitants. Capital punishment was re-legalized in the U.S. 32 years ago. Since then, California has executed 13 people.

With 667 on death row in California, and with 13 executions in 32 years, you might say they are not exactly rushing to judgment.

Capital punishment is legal in 35 states. The federal government also uses capital punishment (3 executions in 32 years, most famously Timothy McVeigh, who, on this date in 1995, killed 168 people with a fertilizer & diesel fuel bomb.)

Kent

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 03:04 PM

Thanks Kent, that's a very precise reply, I thought people were finding it too tricky a subject to answer. This I find surprising as people seem only too ready to reply with strong opinions on all kinds of things.

I was under the impression that most states used the Death Penalty and that a lot more than 37 people had been executed in 2008. My ignorance. I guess a lot are on Death Row but stay there for a long time while legal battles go on.

Does California use the Death Penalty? In most legal systems poor 'common' people get locked up and killed disproportionately, hence my other point.

Thanks again

L in C

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009
From: Stringsinger
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 12:22 PM

Spector was a pioneer in rock record production. It sometimes becomes necessary to separate the person from the art form.

Who would like to have been around Miles Davis or Sidney Bechet for very long? Leadbelly said that Billy Holiday was "one of the most evil women" he ever met.

But needless to say, Spector committed a heinous crime and should be incarcerated for it.

Frank Rossolino was an exceptional jazz trombone player who did a terrible thing, killed and wounded his family members before killing himself.

Do we condemn Giesiking's (sp?) for performing for the Nazis?

It's a tough call but humanity doesn't always run alongside of art.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: Kent Davis
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 11:50 PM

Les in Chorlton,

Actually no, we don't "kill common people". Only very uncommon people are executed. In 2008, in a nation of over 300,000,000, there were around 17,000 murders committed, but only 37 instances of capital punishment.

Kent

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 03:40 AM

They kill common people don't they?

L in C

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 06:51 AM

Strange place the "World of Pop"? But will he be killed now?

L in C

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 07:25 PM

Another 'flawed Genius' ? [quote]
ha ha .
an overrated murderer.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 04:57 PM

Stringsinger,

I reckon he's going back to that place now permanently ...

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 01:32 PM

Never liked his productions, give me Johnny Kidd & the Pirates anytime. One guitar one bass one drummer and the best male vocalist in 50 years.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009
From: Stringsinger
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 11:36 AM

I was at a seminar that Phil gave at the Ash Grove on record production in the early seventies. I asked a question, where do you get money from to produce a record? He took the question personally when it was just meant as a general inquiry. He was really nasty.

I later thought about it. I think his money came from a place where I wouldn't want to go.

Frank

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 05:51 AM

Pease God, let that be a f**kin' wig.
Nope, it's a dead cat.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: open mike
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 03:13 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/14/us/14spector.html?hp

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested
From: open mike
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 03:02 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/phil-spector/5154302/Phil-Spector-nobody-would-want-his-life-now.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g93Q_UR0CRpFh-FS-4UbHXxI-dvAD97I4FIO0

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 02:31 PM

Every press mention of Spector credits him with the concept of 'the wall of sound'. The Stan Kenton band was producing a 'wall of sound' some years before Spector appeared on the scene.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: Lox
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 01:58 PM

Prison is the perfect place for him to confront himself.

I've seen him being interviewed and it sems that one of his big defining features (according to him) is his preoccupation with death on one hand, and his atheism on the other.

I've always felt that to be a succeful atheist you have to forget about death and enjoy life.

Well I have a feeling he won't be enjoying "life"...

... and looking at his health it won't be too long before his death ...


I feel for him, but I'm sure this is right for him.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested
From: Rog Peek
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 01:21 PM

Verdict - Guilty!

Rog

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 11:07 AM

It'll stop HIM from doing it again, though. Which I have no doubt that he would. If he could.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 11:01 AM

There are some folks who become so pathologically arrogant that they come to believe they are untouchable. Phil Spector is only the latest example to be disabused of that notion. O.J. preceded him. A lot of young actors, musicians and pro athletes who make millions so early in life suffer the same delusion, having been pampered and protected and indulged for most of their public lives. Most don't kill people, but many abuse others and take full advantage of their celebrity in very inappropriate ways. An object lesson such as this won't likely change that.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 10:13 AM

Alcoholic blackout on top of psychological pathology.

Responsible despite blackout because he knew he could never drink again, and he knew what his history had been when he did.

~Susan

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: GUEST,Ken Brock
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 10:11 AM

A clue to what to expect later could come from the only single on his Phillies label that failed to chart: "When He Hit Me (It Felt Like a Kiss)".

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: M.Ted
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 09:17 AM

It should have been over along time ago, but Phil has a lot of money, and a lot of powerful friends. I have a feeling that it is far from over.

And, by the way, the "Wall of Sound" sound itself had mostly to do with Jack Nitzsche, who was the arranger.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: Leadfingers
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 09:06 AM

Another 'flawed Genius' ?

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 08:53 AM

I guess all he can da do is run, run, run. Da Do, run, run...

I'll get my coat.

DeG

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: GUEST,Guest Miskin man
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 08:39 AM

From the few clips I have heard, the most recent from his publicist, any appeal could only be on a tchnicality.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 08:34 AM

The reports seem to assert further appeals...

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 08:00 AM

'bout time...........

Spaw

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 07:33 AM

Seems pretty clear this is the right verdict. It certainly was not "involuntary manslaughter". And it's about time.

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: GUEST,Jake
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 06:10 AM

Up against a "wall of sound" and shot??

Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 06:04 AM

Will he be killed now?

L in C

Subject: Phil Spector found guilty
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 05:36 AM

Well, it's finally over:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6984082.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/14/phil-spector-murder-conviction-appea

Plenty more in the Google news links

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 11:13 PM

Socorro, you're welcome. Satified my curiosity, too. Thought it was rather pretty in a fairytale kind of way.

Frank? Did I miss something? Sorry if I did. I really enjoy it when you reminisce in the threads.

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested
From: Frankham
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 10:56 PM

Rick, you might be right. But I never heard the Toni Fisher version. Maybe I confused the two.

Frank

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested
From: Frankham
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 10:54 PM

Katlaughing,

I read the blurb. It's so weird because I was a grade ahead of Spector at Fairfax HS in Los Angeles. I believe the Herb Alpert was also in that same class. Another interesting notable is Norm Cohen who wrote the great folk music book "Long Steel Rail". I don't know when he went there.

Socorro,

I remember the LA that you do. I lived in City Terrace as a small child. It's all barrio now. Can't go there. The Rifas have taken over. Never saw Spector's Alhambra residence, though.

Frank

Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested
From: Socorro
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 09:37 PM

kat - Thank you for the link. I expected the castle to be more stone & Gothic!
Also, it looks like a lot of the smog has been cleaned up since I was there.