BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 01:41 PM

It's true enough Dioug "a minority of the world's population" does not support the UN resolution putting the inspectors in place, but wants instead to stop them now, in case they succeed in carrying through the job to a successful conclusion. Most of that minority is in the USA, with a few fellow-travellers im places like the studies of Tony Blair and Berlusconi.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Beccy
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 01:39 PM

I just wanted to point out something funny without getting into the fray. It's a real lesson that perspective is everything because as I watched CNN I thought they gave the marchers an inordinate amount of coverage.
I guess your opinion of their coverage all depends on where you come down on the argument of whether or not we should be going into Iraq (don't flame me... I was just pointing out the difference in perceptions.)

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 01:32 PM

The New York Times this morning:

WASHINGTON, Feb. 16 — The fracturing of the Western alliance over Iraq and the huge antiwar demonstrations around the world this weekend are reminders that there may still be two superpowers on the planet: the United States and world public opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 12:28 PM

I was just watching CNN's "American Morning" program today, and although I can't remember the male talking head's name, I was really put off by his cynicism and obvious contempt for demonstrators they were discussing. I was, however, heartened by hearing former Senator George Mitchell say that public opinion, especially those of the demonstrators in the Western democracies, very important to ANY debate, and must be taken into account in any democracy. He also pointed out that Blair is in serious trouble of being the first victim of "regime change" if the UN Security Council doesn't pass a multi-lateral resolution authorizing military action. He said he didn't think Blair's government would survive a unilateral action without UN Security Council approval by Bush.

I agree with Frank and Jeri. The mainstream media is blatantly attacking the integrity of dissenters with "terrorist baiting" tactics, in the same way the "red baiting" was done with dissenters in previous eras.

As to the disingenuous claim that the majority of Americans support the Bush administration's plans to invade Iraq, that simply ignores the very steady poll numbers, hovering around 62%, ONLY if the military action against Iraq has the support of the UN, as former Senator Mitchell also pointed out. However, when the media whores make this disingenuous claim about "the majority of Americans" not only do they not explain that there is only majority support for multilateral action with UN backing, nor do they address--at all--the substantial percentage of Americans who are opposed to an invasion of Iraq under any circumstances.

I truly believe that disingenuous propaganda mask is being peeled off the mainstream media layer by layer right now in the US, as more and more people see that the only people at the mainstream media's table are Beltway politicians and Beltway media whores, and that the American people are finally beginning to doubt more and more of what they are being told by mainstream media, because they themselves see such a disconnect between the citizenry's lived reality, and the spin, as Guest Anti-war moderate has pointed out.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: ard mhacha
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 12:09 PM

Nicole, Add 15000 in Belfast march.Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: sian, west wales
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 11:56 AM

I noticed in a Sunday paper that Blair was quoted as telling demonstrators that they'll "have blood on their hands" if they succeed in stopping the war. Two thoughts jumped to mind. 1) He's getting panicked. 2) That is exactly the WRONG things to get ME on his side! (Although I rush to say that I have never been on his side, not never, not no how.)

Didn't get to London, but did march in Swansea a couple of weeks previously. About a 1000 of us there. Interesting that the British Press did (finally) give London the space it deserved. The march last November was COMPLETELY ignored ... and I still say that the Edwina Curry/John Major 'scandal' was released as a spoiler ...

sian

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 11:32 AM

Recent polls and doctored papers
Composed like comic hero capers
And most of us who go along
Sing always someone else's song
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: JenEllen
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 11:19 AM

I didn't even bother to check CNN, I've been disappointed by their coverage before and pretty much predicted the lack of adequate 'news' on the protests.

For news that is a little more un-biased (not totally so, they tend to go a little 'granola-head' at times) you can check out Free Speech TV on the web.

They had scads of documentaries on the history of non-violent protests, and live coverage of the New York protest. If anything, it's just a different view of the same machine.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 11:17 AM

Well Doug....I have to say with all respect that some of the polls seem a bit strange. A polling company in Toronto asked people "Would you support the removal of Saddam H.?

I would...in a New York minute.....so my answer would be "Yes".

I don't like him, I think he's a bully, and I'd rather enjoy watching him being hung upside down, like they did to Mussolini. (well now ya know...I ain't a pacifist!)

But if they asked a second question...like "should we bomb the crap out of Iraq and it's poor fundamentalist peasants, in order to 'get him'.....My answer would be a huge NO!

I do NOT think the majority of the US supports going to war.....but there's certainly no way to prove my (or your) point with polls. They can mean anything....and do. Only TIME will tell......BUT.....a lotta folks seem willing to hit the pavement, and I think this is already being noticed big time in Washington.

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 11:02 AM

Dougie:

Like I've said many times, polls don't mean one danged thing.

You get me the right pollster and we could get Hitler a high approval rate in Isreal!

The real numbers are in the street!

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 10:56 AM

Thank you, Frank. Tnat is an excellent explanation of what is happening.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Frankham
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 10:43 AM

Doug, you said,
"Come on folks! The polls still show that the majority of U. S. citizens still support the President!"

I thought this president didn't believe in polls. Anyway, that's what he said. But who can really trust that?

Folks,

I think that the country is caught in the grip of hysteria. One of the ways out is to deny that there's anything that is not being handled right by the powers in office. It was Richard Perle who said, "We need to un-contextualize 'terror'".
What this means is to use it as a catch-all phrase to condemn those with which the adminstration has a problem. The old buzz word during McCarthy times was "communist". Now it's "terrorist". The news network is in the grip of hysteria instigated by the propagandistic techniques of the Ashcroft office. If they scare people enough with their orange and red code alerts, people will react fearfully and turn off their thinking. CNN and all of the rest of the network news organizations depend on ratings and it's safe to talk about the things that they do.

The present administration is crippling the country with hysteria and it's reflected in it's new broadcasts. Don't count on the media to give you accurate reports on the world situation anymore. After all, that's what the Republicans have been saying for years about the "liberal" media, you can't trust 'em. Now the shoe is on the other political foot and they were right, you can't trust 'em.

Frank Hamilton
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Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: GUEST,Kiwi Guest
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 02:12 AM

You will be pleased to know that in little old Wellington New Zealand
more than 5,000 people marched. ( I was amongst them with my little grand son) It is widely reported that well in excess of 10 million people marched world wide in more than 600 centres.
Are bush and his mates feeling threatened by what is happening?

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: DougR
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 01:49 AM

Come on folks! The polls still show that the majority of U. S. citizens still support the President! The cable news networks and the other TV networks as well as the nations's newspapers fairly reported the demonstrations! What can you say beyond the fact that a minority of the world's population does not support the UN enforcing the Resolutions that it imposed on Iraq?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 12:28 AM

There is some hope, imo. This is the beginning of an article carried in the New London DAY in Connecticut, Senator Lieberman's stomping grounds. The complete article is here...

United Nations — Rattled by an outpouring of anti-war sentiment, the United States and Britain began reworking a draft resolution Saturday to authorize force against Saddam Hussein.
Diplomats, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the final product may be a softer text that does not explicitly call for war.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 11:54 PM

Confronting America's countdown to war, throngs of chanting, placard-waving demonstrators converged on New York and scores of cities across the United States, Europe and Asia yesterday in a global daisy chain of largely peaceful protests against the Bush administration's threatened invasion of Iraq. Today's New York Times has a pretty thorough report on the protests.

Rick, Mudlark and others, for about the last three days I've been feeling a quiver of hope that just maybe Bush, et al, will find that going against the wishes of the UN Security Council and the THRONGS of people around the world are just a tad more than they can pull off. At first I was afraid that he/they would just starting shooting and report it as a war in progress- but since they haven't done that, I'm hoping that at the very least we will have bought ourselves time, time to explore diplomatic means. And given time, it's hard to imagine that Bush will be in a good position to expect re-election.

Isn't it marvelous to consider that maybe the internet age is able to facilitate different behaviors in the governmental powers of the world. Just two hundred years ago, the news of an event could take
three weeks to travel across the US- now it takes literal moments.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 11:38 PM

Yep, as noted above, just a lot of apathy everywhere.

But, oh what a grand show to see by the rockets red glare.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: NicoleC
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 11:27 PM

Gleaned from various presses, source of estimate where known or specified by news source:

New York: 375,000-500,000 (sez organizers, police did not offer an estimate, stationary rally stretched 2 blocks wide by 20 blocks long)
Manhattan: 1,000 -- counter protest in support of war
Wausau, WI: 200 -- counter protest in suport of war
Los Angeles: 30,000 (police), 100,000 (organizers)
Denver: 300 -- counter protest in support of war
Montreal: "over 20,000"
Toronto: "over 15,000"
Mexico City: 10,000
Puerto Rico: 900

Brazil: 1,500 (police)

Sydney: 250,000 (authorities), 500,000 (organizers)
Canberra: "tens of thousands" (Reuters), 16,000
Brisbane: 20,000
Perth: 10,000
Newcastle: 15,000
Melbourne: 150,000

London: 750,000 - 2 million
Glasgow: 50,000-60,000
Dublin: 80,000 (police)

Amsterdam: 70,000
Oslo: 60,000 (police)
Brussels: 50,000
Stockholm: 35,000
Bern: 40,000
Copenhagen: 25,000
Vienna: 15,000
Rome: "650,000" (authorities), "1 million" (police), 3 million (organizers)
Kiev: 2,000
Athens: "several thousand"

Berlin: 300,000-500,000 (police)
Brussels: 50,000 (police)
Germany: (multiple cities incl. Berlin and Brussels): 500,000

Madrid: 660,000 (police), 2 million (organizers)
Barcelona: "over 500,000"
Seville: 60,000
Spain (55 cities incl. Madrid, Seville and Barcelona): 5 million (organizers)

Paris: 100,000
Toulouse: 10,000
France (multiple cities incl. Paris and Toulouse): 300,000

Cape Town: 5,000
Johannesburg: 4,000

Calcutta: 10,000
Tokyo: 5,000
Karachi: 300
Jakarta: 500 (protest last weekend was 7,000)
Dhaka: 1,000-2,000
Kaula Lumpur: 1,500

Cyprus: 500
Tel Aviv: 2,000, mixed Israeli and Palestinian
Damascus: 200,000
Baghdad: "tens of thousands" - not a peace protest, but a militia demonstration

Misc reports of marches in Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, India, East Timor, Pakistan, Kashmir, Moscow, Taipei, Hong Kong, Kazakhstan, Singapore, South Korea, Mostar, Budapest, Lyon, Marseilles, Sofia, Reykjavik, Antarctica, Stuttgart, Thessaloniki, Warsaw, Colorado Springs, CO, Yakima, WA, Augusta, ME, Chicago, IL, Philadephia, PA, Miami, FL, Seattle, WA, Knoxville, TN, Albany, NY


This just in from SF Chronicle: "more than 100,000" Same report of crowd size from MSNBC. Police say 150,000. Organizers say 250,000.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Lyrical Lady
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 10:55 PM

C hicken N oodle N ews disappoints???..Surprise surprise!!!

LL

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Mudlark
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 10:52 PM

Rick, I know that denial isn't just a river in Egypt, but I too get the feeling, underneath all the controlled media hype, that this administration is getting a LOT more opposition than it imagined, and that "spin" is getting harder and harder to manipulate.

I quit watching TV news a long time ago, but was gratified to see that my local daily paper carried front page reports of the protests worldwide. I think the networks have been bought and paid for for a long time but at least the printed word still has a little autonomy.

And the very fact that the powers that be are trying so insanely hard to ignore these protests says to me that they are worried...66% of Americans may feel some sort of intervention necessary in Iraq(if polls are to be believed), but a much larger percentage is aghast at the econcomic situation this country now finds itself in. And re=election time just keeps getting closer and closer...

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 09:25 PM

A million people out of billions - is not much. No body is interested.

Such a waste to have all those reporters stationed in the Gulf with nothing to report.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 09:20 PM

Simply because I find this so completely amazing I've been checking ALL day. The operative word on CNN today has been "Terror", used as a headline over and over again. This is truly surprising to me. I thought they might editorialize a bit (they can't very well call the protesters "Hippies" anymore can they?) but the amzing story (it will be in the history books) is that 'PEOPLE' may actually cause this thing not to happen. Now that would really BE something.

Oops, heather is looking at what I wrote and saying "I don't think Bush, Chaney, Rumsfield and Powell, have ANY intention of losing this opportunity". Who knows? But I feel a tad positive.

Anyone else feel a bit of that?

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 07:35 PM

Are we perhaps going back to feudal days when the populace went about their lives and didn't think about the 'ruling' powers unless and until their lives were impacted by them? I would imagine that many of the common people felt there was no use in rebelling against the rulers because they didn't feel there was much change they could effect, that it was just the way things were.

From that viewpoint, then, are Mudcatters, per se, and the people down the roads and highways the common people and the various governments the feudal lords?

There seems like less reason or justification for this development in these days of television, telephones and the internet but each society is bound by its perceptions.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 07:22 PM

Don't those 165.2 million Americans ever feel curious, and reach out a finger to find out?

I mean, if they were Chinese, and the rest of the world spoke a completely different language you could understand it, but...

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 06:54 PM

Hey, folks, CNN is just "following orders", as is ABC, NBC. BBS, Fox, PBS, The Washington POst, The New York Times, ect., etc., etc...

Yep, from what I saw from surfing the channels is "Exhibit A" in the case of Bush v. Democracy. Plenty of drum beaters. Condi "Oildgal" Rice got more time in one 1/2 hour period than did the largest peace demonstration in the history of man.

What little coverage that I saw tried to link the portray the protesters to Saddam.

Go figure?

But for drum beaters I'd just like to remind you that one day you might need *dmocracy* and when ya' start looking for it you may find it hard to find. It's hard to understand how well meaning people will just sit by and idlely watch the 1st Ammmendment go down the drain just soyou can have your way on the issue of war. Hmmmmmm?

Don't say I didn't warn you. Oh, it doesn't matter because we're on the threshold of not being able to say anything *except* what we are told. Just like CNN!

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 06:39 PM

In the past hour, the scrolling thingie CNN has at the bottom of the screen has mentioned the protests. Mainly, it has said things like "Iraq claims victory." I felt there was a strong implication that protesters were traitors.

Harvey, I haven't heard any reports of Rumsfeld's remarks. I suspect there's a lot more I haven't heard. People will care - IF the news is spoon fed to them, because there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of questioning and truth-seeking going on now.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 06:28 PM

Yes, I too was appalled at the USA Today Sunday front page... The conspicuous absence of Democracy... diversions, distractions, fingerpointing, exagerations, and no substance. It's a little like being robbed at noon on a busy street at gunpoint... The sheer audacity of this administration is nauseating.

But as Bush mumble and fumbles, and Condi does everything she can to cover for him and shove 'we's down the throats of the American People, and Colin 'goes to bat' and lies for him to the whole world, I find that I am less and less concerned about 'him', ...I'm finding my attention shifting to the 'powers' that put Bush in place. Who are these people? Control of the media is not acceptible behavior in a democracy. ...of course, neither is a 'coup de tat'... Then again, why are the American people allowing this 'garbage in, garbage out' media ploy anyway? If we're so rich, is it any excuse to be this ignorant? ...Oh, don't bore me with that 'politics stuff', I've got to meet with my Mutual Fund broker in order to shift my portfolio bias to defense contractors...

C'mon all o ya! Since when did Bush EVER get a mandate to be entirely detatched from public forum and consent? Some 'special' group has placed the Bush administration into the same creepy category as Saddam H. The world deserves better.
end of rant. ttr

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 06:20 PM

Sounds like the kind of news coverage countries like China and the old USSR was rightly scorned for having.

With the Internet, it becomes increasingly hard to keep a country hermetically sealed against what is happening outside its borders, but I suppose they still try in some places. And the trouble is that most people still seem to depend on the mass media to tell them what is going on and what to think about it.

I can understand that for people who aren't in a position to find out for themselves - but that can't apply in the United States, where figures in May last year indicated that 165.2 million people had Internet access.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: *daylia*
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 06:14 PM

PS - I'm referring to yesterday's homepage for cdn.netscape.com, which features CNN stories that are updated daily.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: *daylia*
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 06:03 PM

Oh yeah, CNN had a green UFO hovering enticingly over the White House in yesterday's headline picture as well ... just had to do justice to the sheer talent of 'Big Brother's' artists ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 06:01 PM

The BBC Television News (on cable here in Canada) gave pretty good coverage, pointing out that the marches were the largest since a couple of the protests during the Vietnam War, and interviewing some of the participants.
Too often, Bush comes across as a schoolyard bully.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: artbrooks
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 06:00 PM

Well, as of 6:00 pm Mudcat time on Sunday, there were five demonstration stories on Internet's CNN-World and two more on CNN-US. I guess I must get a different CNN. Oh, you meant TV, GUEST? Sorry, never watch it.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: *daylia*
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 05:52 PM

And your point, GUEST?

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: harvey andrews
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 05:52 PM

Dear Guest..the poor babies are in Iraq..it's their whining you can hear. Cover your ears, close your eyes..it'll go away.... and then maybe you can sleep.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 05:49 PM

I am happy to report that one of our local tv news crews led last night's ten o'clock news with coverage of our march and rally and it made the front page of our local rag, today, with a fairly decent write up.

I was very unhappy with NPR; I expected better and more from them, instead they had on fluff stuff. Even though police in Colorado Springs used tear gas on protesters and hit one of them with a rubber bullet!

kat

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 05:49 PM

poor "babies" Why don't you make a CD so you can play your whining over and over without actually having to do it? Besides doesn't anyone notice that most of these threads are started by GUESTS???

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: sed
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 05:48 PM

Did CNN cover the following?

Reckless Administration May Reap Disastrous Consequences

by US Senator Robert Byrd (W.Va.)
Senate Floor Speech - Wednesday, February 12, 2003

To contemplate war is to think about the most horrible of human experiences. On this February day, as this nation stands at the brink of battle, every American on some level must be contemplating the horrorsof war. Yet, this Chamber is, for the most part, silent -- ominously, dreadfully silent. There is no debate, no discussion, no attempt to lay out for the nation the pros and cons of this particular war. There is nothing. We stand passively mute in the United States Senate, paralyzed by our own uncertainty, seemingly stunned by the sheer turmoil of events. Only on the editorial pages of our newspapers is there much substantive discussion of the prudence or imprudence of engaging in this particular war. And this is no small conflagration we contemplate. This is no simple attempt to defang a villain. No. This coming battle, if it materializes, represents a turning point in U.S. foreign policy and possibly a turning point in the recent history of the world.

[truncated]

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: *daylia*
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 05:43 PM

I found it most interesting that the CNN headline on Netscape's homepage yesterday was nothing to do with the worldwide peace marches. Instead, one was greeted with a picture of the White House and the question "Are Aliens Out There? George Bush Wants to Know!"

What a transparent attempt to divert public attention off what's really important by offering sensational sci-fi drivel instead!

It's almost humiliating to ponder just how STUPID the propogandists must believe the average person really is ...

Yesterday proves without a doubt they've got another think comin - I hope!

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: harvey andrews
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 05:33 PM

To clarify above posting;
Rumsfeld is reported as setting out to cripple the German economy because somebody, a German politician, told him there was another point of view.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 05:31 PM

I also saw very little coverage of the peace demonstrations yesterday and nearly no mention of them today. When the DO talk about them, it's in a sort of "Oh, isn't that cute. Completely insignificant, but cute" sort of way. I don't trust the media to tell the truth. There once were certain people I believed had integrity. Now, it's all spin doctoring. They are owned.

On the other hand, New Hampshire Public Radio had a show on yesterday about how many of the reasons we got into the Gulf War were completely fabricated by the Powers That Be and gladly spread by the media.

Subject: RE: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: harvey andrews
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 05:20 PM

I watched CNN "world news" on the day of the marches. It was all about a memorial to 9/11. I thing CNN like many other American institutions thinks America is the world.
Maybe it is. Rumsfeld is reported as setting out to cripple the German economy because somebody a German him there was another point of view.
How long will decent Americans tolerate this insane hubris?

Subject: BS: politics: Very disappointed in CNN today
From: GUEST,Anti-war moderate
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 05:07 PM

I am extremely disappointed in CNN today. They have gone out of their way to completely ignore one of the biggest stories of my lifetime.

Far more than a million people on this planet were out demonstrating against war yesterday.

If that isn't THE story for today, what in Heaven's name IS?

All day long I've tuned in and out to see them discussing the huge implications of the protest, and there has been nothing!

I've seen Tom Ridge talking about duct tape, and Jonah Goldberg showing baby pictures. Donna Brazile talking about Democrats who mught run for President.

OK, all day the PLANS for war have been discussed, just as they have been for several weeks, but NOTHING about the largest protest of our lifetimes. I KNOW the demonstrations make Bush look very bad, but it's still the news. Isn't that what we criticize OTHER countries for?

I've always thought that CNN was reasonably independant. Was that my mistake? Did the WORD come down to completely ignore the story? Has this happened before?


How are other TV news outlets around Mudcat range handling it?

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