BS: Islamic radicalism . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 23 May 14 - 07:24 PM

He, he.....like clockwork.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 May 14 - 06:18 PM

If Muslims want their religion to be viewed more favorably, they must forcefully and publicly condemn without qualification any violent strain of Islam regardless of what the Quran says.

We've neen here before, Boo- I expect the Muslims will do so just so soon as the "Christians"[sic] forcefully and publicly condemn without qualification the fundagelical loonies, the murderers of abortion doctors, the Timothy McVeigh type bombers & etc. etc.

I won't hold my breath, tho.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 23 May 14 - 05:48 PM

May 22, 2014
Six Scenes of My Interactions with Muslims: The Good, the (Mostly) Bad, and the Ugly

I'm an equal opportunity critic of religions. But when it comes to human rights, I'm far more concerned about Islam.

by Herb Silverman

"I'm a liberal, but not a knee-jerk one. I'm an atheist, but not one who thinks all religions are equally problematic or that they should be judged by the violent behavior of religious extremists. I think the Bible and Quran both contain ridiculous passages and reasonable passages. Religious fundamentalists can quote portions of their holy books to justify loving their neighbor or killing their (infidel) neighbor.

But at the risk of being called Islamophobic, I think Islam is the worst and most dangerous religion by all human rights standards."

Read More

Herb Silverman is founder and President Emeritus of the Secular Coalition for America, author of "Candidate Without a Prayer: An Autobiography of a Jewish Atheist in the Bible Belt," and Distinguished Professor Emeritus of Mathematics at the College of Charleston.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 May 14 - 02:35 PM

Your first link is to Russia Today, and its about a "tribunal" run in Kuala Lumpa as some rich man's hobby.
Are you serious Jim?!

Your second link is a Guardian headline about "possible war crimes" but there is no text and there are no war crimes.

Your third link is Amnesty accusing Israeli forces of brutality, but less than all its Arab neighbours.

Your last link is to Electronic Intifada, an anti-Isreal hate propaganda site.
The clue is in the name!

Nothing to challenge in any way any of the points I just made about one of the massacres at the Lebanese camp which you made an issue of.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 May 14 - 12:49 PM

"They are shamed by it, but they did not "facilitate" it and were not "indicted" for any "war crime.""
No - he wasn't - the US made sure of that, but all the enquiries and the eye-witnesses implicated Israel fully in the massacre - you have the facts, you choose to ignore them again.
More war crimes to deny
Jim Carroll

GENOCIDE

WAR CRIMES

AMNESTY ACCUSES ISRAEL


ATROCITIES

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 23 May 14 - 11:06 AM

Are you going to make all Catholics speak out against paedophiles within the clergy Bobad?

What the flying fuck are you talking about? Are you saying that an American citizen whose grandparents came from Malaysia has to denounce tribal Aftican terrorists in order to keep your bigotry sated?

Perhaps all Jewish Americans should apologise for Israeli atrocities or get all American drivers to apologise for Australian drink drivers with trucks.

I assume the point of such an exercise will to be if Christian Americans see Muslim Americans as being normal people ? Why else ?

What has Boko Harem to do with normal people who happen to be religious ? Should all Christians denounce African terrorists too just to be safe?

Just because religion is psychopathology on a nutshell, don't confuse terrorists using religion with people who happen to have religion. The poor buggers have enough confusion in their lives without being persecuted by people of a slightly different cult.



Land of the free.

Keep banging the rocks together. We'll send a few spy planes over Dumbfuckistan to keep an eye on y'all.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 May 14 - 09:52 AM

Not all right Greg.
They are shamed by it, but they did not "facilitate" it and were not "indicted" for any "war crime."

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 May 14 - 08:16 AM

Israel was indirectly responsible.

Only indirectly responsible? Oh, well, that's all right then, eh FW?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 23 May 14 - 08:15 AM

"To prevent future Boko Harams, American Muslims must speak out forcefully against their radical coreligionists—and the media must cover it."

How We Stop the Next Boko Haram

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 May 14 - 07:34 AM

You have the rerports
You have the facts

Yes.
Israel was indirectly responsible.
No-one was "indicted as a war criminal."

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 May 14 - 06:42 AM

Piss off Keiyh
Done and dusted
You have the rerports
You have the facts
You will continue to support War crimes
You will continue to support the sale of weapons and equipment to terrorist states such as Syrian, Libya Bahrain...
You will continue to be a reactionary, right-extremist holocaust denier
That's waht you do and that's what you and yours are known for ]Say a prayer for the rest of us
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 May 14 - 04:58 AM

They were foud guilty by independent enquiries
Really?
Which?
- Sharon was indicted as a war criminal
No he was not.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 May 14 - 04:53 AM

Don't be stupid Keith
They were foud guilty by independent enquiries - Sharon was indicted as a war criminal and then was elected prime minister, totally implicating Israel in his crimes
Who gives a toss what the same Governments who did nothing about Britains and the US's illegal incursion to Iraq thought - they're all a bunch of self-serving politicicians
JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE

ELECTRONIC INTAFADA

HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH

NOAM CHOMSKY

How many more of these Anti-Semitic opinions do you want?
You are still Mudcat's own version of David Irving
Christian - sure you are!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 May 14 - 04:22 AM

a single shred of evidence to back your stupid claims that Israel wasn't guilty for the massacre

Strange that not one single decent government blames them for it then.

They accept indirect responsibility as the authority at the time.
They accept that the commander should have anticipated something, and acted sooner, but they are not guilty of any massacre.

All the massacres in those camps, including this the only one you care about, were committed by other Arabs as is the the appalling suffering now of the Palestinian refugees in Syrian camps.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 14 - 06:32 PM

"I hoped you might have something new, but no."
Not discredited - denied by you and the Israeli regime,
You have yet to produce a single shred of evidence to back your stupid claims that Israel wasn't guilty for the massacre - before, during and after the documented facts
You are no different to Irving an his crowd denying the Holocaust didn't happen.
God (if there is one) protect us all from religious hypocrites
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 May 14 - 12:52 PM

Most religions are also horrified by sex without a religious blessing. A fiend of mine recently caused much consternation amongst both Xtiam and Muslim attendees at a particular gathering by asking "Don't you try a dress on before you buy it?"

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 22 May 14 - 11:30 AM

I've yet to see a religion that is happy with people enjoying themselves or seeing everybody as equal.... The three versions of "the book"being the most misogynist and bigoted of them all.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 22 May 14 - 09:11 AM

"Gender equality and Women's Rights are a Jewish Conspiracy against Muslims because Jews and Christians are jealous that only Muslims posesses Islamic Sharia and they don't"

Jews and Christians Try to Destroy Muslim Women

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 22 May 14 - 08:44 AM

In Iran, happy gets you arrested

(CNN) -- Tehran's police chief was deeply offended. "It's obscene," he declared, and promptly arrested six young men and women who made a joyful fan video, dancing and lip-synching to the sound of Pharrell Williams' huge hit, "Happy."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/21/opinion/ghitis-iran-happy-video/

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 May 14 - 08:17 AM

I hoped you might have something new, but no.
Same old discredited stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 14 - 07:57 AM

"Jim, IDF did not facilitate any of the massacres in that camp."
Yes they did
Transporting the killers to the site, allowing access to the camp, providing illumination so the massacre could continue for three nights without hesitation, armed Israeli troops eye-witnessing the slaughter and doing nothing to prevent it, transporting the killers away from the scene and building a sports stadium over the mass graves - all is a matter of historical record gathered from unbiased investigators.
The only thing in Israel's defence ifs their denial
The British left Palestine to the sound of hand grenades being hurled into the (sometimes occupied) homes of Arabs whose forbears who had occupied that territory for millenia, in order to build what has now become an Apartheid state
The Israeli regime have betrayed the Jewish people by acting like their former persecutors, and fanatics like yourself, who defend that betrayal by persistent denial of their recorded crimes are part of that betrayal.
Equating those crimes with being 'Jewish' is a smear on the six million who died - it is pissing on their memory.
Jim Carroll.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 May 14 - 07:22 AM

Jim, IDF did not facilitate any of the massacres in that camp.
They did stop one of them though.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 22 May 14 - 06:29 AM

Yeah Michael. I don't distinguish between the length of a car and the length of a double decker bus either. I don't distinguish between....

I don't distinguish between religions as being religions. What is difficult about that? I know Christians pray with their fingers crossed, Muslims pray with their arse in the air and Sikhs get fed afterwards. They are distinctions of process, not concept.

As I have never been a Christian, Muslim or anything else for that matter, I don't have any affinity with any of them. Some of my friends are Christians, some of my friends are Muslims, etc etc. Why should I lean towards one group over another on the basis of history?

As the last Archbishop of Canterbury pointed out last month, we are a post Christian society. The traditions still inform our way of life in terms of which day of the week we get a lay in, which dates we get pissed and promise to like each other and what time B&Q shuts on a Sunday. But after that, I fail to see why one cult should have any more influence over me than another?

Are you saying I don't distinguish between Sheffield Wednesday and groups of 11 men who try to play football?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 14 - 06:16 AM

Your comparison between rape and murder and stealing sweeties is more than a little fatuous doncha think Mike?
An Israeli regime that facilitated the massacre of 3,500 refugees may not measure up numerically to the annihilation of 6,000,000 human beings, but there is little to choose between motivation of both.
This is why, I believe, it is valid to compare such actions one with the other and why is it equally permissible to compare what now appears to be happening in Israel with what happened in South Africa.
By the way, I intended to respond to your 'whoops' apology on the other thread, but Mudcat appears to be only intermittently accessible here in the Wild West
No apologies needed, would that all our differences were as trivial!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 May 14 - 05:26 AM

Thank you for your most witty rejoinder, Musk. At least, I take it to be so, but unhappily labour under the somewhat deleterious handicap of lacking the remotest inkling of what the blazes you are on about. Still, no doubt your meaning is hyaline clear to yourself.

One or two points I continue to urge, mind. OK, so you didn't accept [tho I couldn't quite see why] my cancer/cold 'discrimination' analogy to your refusal to 'discriminate' between religions, whatever their varying effects.

Well, then: we all agree that crimes are bad things, don't we? So do you refuse to 'discriminate' between the man who rapes a helpless woman and then murders her, and a little girl in a supermarket who fancies a sweetie so hides one in her pocket till she gets outside without paying for it, so is guilty of theft {'shoplifting' as such, is not an individual offence}. I mean, they are both guilty of crimes, and crimes are nasty; so, according to Muskey logic, we shouldn't 'discriminate' between them, should we?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 22 May 14 - 03:58 AM

Don't worry. The feeling was never reciprocated. Semi humorous at times, expert in HTML but occasionally a wee bit of poo pops out.

There is a way to deal with your fear.   Eat your greens. They are supposed to eliminate free radicals. If you add Jerusalem artichokes to your diet, they may be able to distinguish between decent Christian free radicals and naughty Muslim free radicals too.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 May 14 - 12:57 PM

Like I said

Confused.com

As ever was

In ♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠


LoL Musket

At you not with you

You'd be pathetic if not quite so high-lairigh-ous

Pity that Missing·The·Point not an Olympic sport

Gold medal cert, you

And to think I once rated you as showing some glimmerings of an intellect

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 21 May 14 - 12:40 PM

Ah. Bigotry is more entertaining when it is blind..

Christ thy right.

If brainwashing children isn't fucking obscene, what is?

You are right. I don't discriminate between religions. They are all delusions and comfort blankets and they are all used to abuse the natural superstition of simple folk.

Anything wrong with that statement? When someone says it is God's will, isn't there something slightly unhinged about them? When people thank a fairy story character, it is quaint. But when they ask a fairy story character to guide their feelings towards other people...

Hey, Terribulus! Want to see nasty men putting things into the mouths of children? Keep an eye on Catholic priests, they are good at it till they get caught.

When you talk to Akenaton about lying and making things up, don't you feel just a wee bit ironic? Or does your defence of religion go as far as agreeing with his awful homophobia?

I love Mudcat. They say there is one in every village but we appear to have a commune of them here. Just as well real people don't show their sorry arse every time they spout a view eh?

If you are concerned about ailments Michael, ask nurse. They are listed in your care plan. Do you really think that people who see religion as religion and don't see one cult as better than another can't tell the difference between a cold and cancer?

Do you still think Mr Patel at the corner shop should be treated with suspicion in case he may be related to a terrorist? How many Irish people do you hide from in the street? Would it be the same terrorists who killed Princess Di on the orders of Prince Philip?

The older they get, the dafter they get.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 May 14 - 10:58 AM

Away from this thread for a bit, but find it hasn't moved much. But there's still dear old Musket, calling me "confused".

This, note, is the shining intellect whose great piece of logic is that all religions are nonsense so he refuses to 'discriminate' between different ones.

And doesn't get that this is precisely analagous to saying he doesn't like being ill, so he refuses to 'discriminate' between cancer and a cold.

And calls me "confused"!

Bless!!!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 21 May 14 - 02:22 AM

No real fear of that Akenaton, as there is no debate or discussion with either, they simply invent and make stuff up to support their rather ridiculous arguments then retreat behind a barrage of foul-mouthed unpleasantness when their falsehoods are torn to shreds. As stated previously neither Carroll or Musket would recognise the truth, logic or fact if all collectively jumped up and bit them on their arses.

What they lack totally is any sense of perspective, a classic example of this from Musket on this thread:

Keith A submits a link clearly showing official Hamas broadcasters in Gaza repeatedly putting words into the mouths of children who were little more than toddlers getting them to enthusiastically talk about them killing Jews when they got older. Musket's response was to state that Christianity was just as bad getting people to sing hymns such as "Jesus wants me for a sunbeam", "Onward Christian Soldiers" (adopted as by the Salvation Army IIRC) and "Fight the good fight". Absolutely ridiculous example of comparing apples to oranges.

"Jesus wants me for a sunbeam" - Original version by Nellie Talbot. A children's hymn - here is a sample, the lyrics for the second verse:

"Jesus wants me to be loving,
And kind to all I see;
Showing how pleasant and happy,
His little ones can be."

Rum F''k Musket how hateful can it get!!!! Doesn't it just inspire you to go out and kill people? Reading the lyrics through from start to finish reveals that it is a song with no reference to violence whatsoever.

"Onward Christian Soldiers" - No mention of death at all in the lyrics

"Fight the Good Fight" - Is about life not death.

But one thing you can consistently say about and depend upon with Musket - he does so much revel in making a complete and utter arse of himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: akenaton
Date: 20 May 14 - 01:40 PM

Sad to see one of the most able and respected debaters on the forum (Mr T) getting involved with someone who makes a habit of breaking the cardinal rule.....always tell the truth.

I'm afraid only admin can put an end to the tactics he uses, to close threads and obfuscate issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 20 May 14 - 11:25 AM

Here come da Jews, here come da Jews!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 May 14 - 11:10 AM

Meet some Jews opposed to Israeli terrorism
Jim Carroll

JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE

THIS IS NOT JEWISH

BIRTHRIGHT TRIPS MUST END

AMERICAN JEWS AGAINST ISRAELI POLICIES

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 20 May 14 - 10:55 AM

Strategic work in Healthcare? Ah back to the Staffordshire Hospital again eh - where the survival rate was better had you been on footpatrol in Sangin District, Helmand Province, Afghanistan unarmed wearing flip-flops, T-shirt and shorts.

What is that hospital trust that was taken in hand and "privatised" because it was over £40 million in debt and was handed over to the staff to run? Out of debt completely this year and expected to make a profit next year?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 20 May 14 - 08:47 AM

Meet Sakdiyah, a young Indonesian who is fighting Islamic fundamentalism with her chosen weapon - comedy.

The Moral Courage Project

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 20 May 14 - 08:33 AM

Bean counter?

That aimed at me?

Retired CEO perhaps. I was never clever enough with numbers to be a bean counter. No good at scoring at a dart board for that matter. I always made sure I had a decent bean counter though. Shareholders count and all that. Don't ask me about NHS bean counting all the same. The more I try the less I understand. That's because I'm not in love with myself in the same way your posts show you to be. If you can explain, no really explain how resource limit and cash limit are complimentary tools, the chancellor will thank you, never mind me.

Out of interest, I can't be a bean counter because I don't have a job. Both the academic chair and the strategic work in healthcare are honorary. I'm obviously too fucking important to be poor.

Zzz


Of course I'm "fucking important." The distinction between that and being important, whatever that means, is only recognisable by intelligent people. Which is why Keith, his pet worm and you are the only ones bandying it about as if it has currency. I think, though I could be wrong, it started when Keith couldn't understand how people could form their own opinions rather than cut and paste someone else's from a dubious internet site then defy anyone to say differently. He'll go far that lad. {snigger}

Jim seems to have it on the button. Whether it's a brain or just a Cornish pasty keeping their tabs apart is another matter though.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 May 14 - 07:47 AM

"Are Keith A Hole of Hertford and Terribulus the same person?"
Don't think so - but I think they take turns (along with little Boo Boo) in sharing the same brain - hence the quality of their offerings.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 20 May 14 - 06:14 AM

"Demo" you would not know truth, logic or fact if collectively they all jumped up and bit you on the arse - and any glorified "bean counter" who describes themselves as being "fucking important" is merely delusional.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 20 May 14 - 05:39 AM

Only to you Musket - Only to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 May 14 - 04:55 AM

Get your key worker to help you to write that Terribulus?

Still unintelligible bollocks tell him.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 20 May 14 - 04:12 AM

"I'm not here to provide evidence."

Well Musket quite right too – why change the habit of a lifetime, you have never backed up any of your shit-stirringly outrageous claims before so why start now when we all know that the exercise would be fruitless.

Talking about one's inability to use a computer, could you please translate the following into something that even remotely makes sense?

"If you don't know to debate, join some research club or other."

"If you don't know to debate" WTF does that mean FFS? Or is it just missing a "how"? Keith is correct by the way in his assertion that he only calls you TC because that is how you sign yourself off at the end of each post – it should of course be DITC – standing for Demonstrably Ignorant TC

"your track record in finding things is pretty fucking dire."

Having read through the exchanges on a number of threads Musket I'd say that Keith's track record and ability at finding things to blow your arguments out of the water happens to be a damned sight better (For that read light years ahead) than your own.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 May 14 - 03:45 AM

Something I have often said is do not place too much reliance on statistics. Not to do with this topic but this story just shows why I never take any notice of 'official figures say...'

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 14 - 03:28 PM

And, I do not call you "thick cunt" TC.

I call you TC because that is how you sign yourself, but you are being very thick and cuntish about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 14 - 03:25 PM

TC, Iran has no nukes to deter.
Israel has had them for years.
Israel has never threatened Iran with them.
Your claim was false.
Made up.
You do not choose not to substantiate, you just can't.
How thick of you was that TC?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 14 - 11:20 AM

TC,
There again, Israel has promised to reduce Tehran to a glowing puddle.

I was not aware of that.
Please supply the evidence, or were you just living up to your signature again TC?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 14 - 11:17 AM

TC,
No it wasn't.

Yes, it was TC.
The childrens' programme encouraging small children to exterminate all Jewish people was broadcast on Al-Aqsa TV, the official Hamas-run television channel broadcasting from Gaza, and that is confirmed above by The Spectator and other reliable sources.
Just because you sign yourself TC, no need to overdo it.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,#
Date: 19 May 14 - 10:36 AM

The level of erudition here has risen to new lows.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 May 14 - 10:11 AM

"he Jewish children were imagining themselves in battle, as their parents and grandparents were, defending Israel from foreign armies."
So there we have it - if an Arab children (aged around 6 or 7) say they wants to kill Jews, it is serious - if Israeli children (young to mid -teenagers) say they want to kill Arabs, and wave guns to show how, they are only playing - no bais there then!!
Moron
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 19 May 14 - 10:00 AM

No it wasn't.

No more than Jeremy Clarkson is the official stance of The BBC.

Even worse. A Sunday School in England full of small children has them learning and singing songs such as "Fight the Good Fight" and "Onward Christian Soldiers, marching on to war."   One song even encourages children to martyr themselves, claiming "Jesus wants me for a sunbeam."

Easy isn't it?

Especially when it is the "other lot" you want to believe it about.

Nobody argues with the awfulness of the broadcast. The scattergun claim of responsibility though just brings out the bigotry in the worst of people.

The rogue state of Iran still wishes to melt Israel. There again, Israel has promised to reduce Tehran to a glowing puddle. Palestine however, under both parties has tried and tried to negotiate with the Israelis, even to the point of managing to keep rogue militants quiet in order for it to happen. There are many people within Palestine who feel negotiation never worked and never shall, and feel something similar to The UK backed French resistance might work for them too. This isn't the answer, but the stranglehold on The USA by Israel isn't an answer either.

I think they are getting a wee bit pissed off waiting don't you?

Don't tell me you have sunk to Michael's level of "every Muslim has a relative..."

TC

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 14 - 08:58 AM

TC, there is no state editorial control of Israel's media.
The childrens' programme encouraging small children to exterminate all Jewish people was broadcast on Al-Aqsa TV, the official Hamas-run television channel broadcasting from Gaza.