BS: Ubuntu Hell

Subject: RE: BS: Ubuntu Hell
From: mousethief
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 12:42 AM

One page I saw about it said "Uninstall PulseAudio!" So I did. No change. Yeah, some of the pages mentioned flash. But everything uses flash so that's kind of a non-starter.

Broadest support community, maybe. Helpful? HA! It is to laugh. It's about the level of calling tech and having them say, "did you reboot?" Yes, you moron, I tried all of the 10 things you just asked me. If any of those had worked I wouldn't have called you at all. When can I talk to 2nd level?

The desktop is awful. People say, "You just say that because it doesn't look like Windows." I say, "No, I just say that because it has 1/10th the functionality of Windows." Isn't the whole point of Linux that it's better than Windows? I ain't seen it yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Ubuntu Hell
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 12:27 AM

I'd have thought Ubuntu has the broadest and most helpful online community. It's not my choice of Linux though. I find OpenSuse easier especially with Yast, plus I prefer the KDE desktop (and unlike Ubuntu/Kubuntu[which I think is poor], you can install both desktops plus others on one system)... I think the official KDE support forum is a bit "serious" though.

Really, with Linux though, I think you are best of trying a few to find out which distro works best for you.

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As for the sound, I've a feeling flash can get in the way and block sound for other programs and it's not clear to me how the browser plugin is configured. It's working for me with other apps atm but I have had problems in the past... I think one possibility might be to install pulse audio but I'm unsure..

Subject: RE: BS: Ubuntu Hell
From: EBarnacle
Date: 17 Jan 11 - 12:16 AM

I have gotten two different source disks from Ubuntu. In niether case did the Ubuntu install but the open office which was on the disks did install and works perfectly. I will get open office online without bothering with the disks in the future.

Subject: RE: BS: Ubuntu Hell
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 11:56 PM

Yeah maybe i should switch to another distro. I think I should find a way to determine which has the best (most helpful) online community. I think I could get over the initial hump in the learning curve if I could just have somebody who is actually willing to help me with it, and doesn't give up when it gets hard.

Subject: RE: BS: Ubuntu Hell
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 11:36 PM

..ALSO...once you install it, you have to go online to update all the drivers, and stuff...However, he even had problems with Ubuntu, after he went through the normal procedures. Don't forget to go online, though, if you install a Linux.

Ok, done.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Ubuntu Hell
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 11:31 PM

mouser, I've heard the same about Ubuntu, from a guy who works on computers, even installs Linux, and highly recommends them..BUT..he was saying the same thing about Ubuntu as you are saying, He recommends Linux 'Mint'....so he tried it on a laptop, that blew an XP and "Golly Me...it works just great!!" Get rid of the Ubuntu, and get "Mint".
He also HIGHLY recommends Linux over Microsoft.

...and for God's sakes, if you don't like the recommendation, let's not bitch at each other over it, OK?..just tryin' to help ya'

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Ubuntu Hell
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 11:22 PM

And if you post in a forum about Linux, you'll get 27 suggestions to "try Knoppix...or MEPIS..or Debian..XuBuntu...or openSUSE or Mandriva or..... some other.

I did read in the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup, one suggestion that the alt.os.linux.ubuntu newsgroup is pretty helpful..and one other that the http://ubuntuforums.org/ is pretty good.

I see all sorts of good ideas in Linux, but you said it as well as anyone I've ever heard in that post..

You entered when you installed Ubuntu on your computer. You will never leave until you scrape that crap off your hard drive and install Windows, because you suck and our software isn't designed for you, it's designed for the people who designed it, a closed circle of misanthropic fiends whose only joy in life is to make otherwise intelligent people feel inferior to themselves.

Subject: BS: Ubuntu Hell
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Jan 11 - 11:06 PM

I am slowly coming to the conclusion that Linux, and Linux apps, are written by people who are too stupid to work for Microsoft.

And I don't have a terribly high opinion of Microsoft products.

Currently trying to run a speech-recognition system called "simon". Before you can run it you have to set up a model. What's a model? Help doesn't say. Wait -- here's a glossary! Oh wait, "model" is not listed in the M's. Hey, I can search!... Oh wait, to search I first need to create an index. But stop! It can't because the file kde_application_manuals doesn't exist. I have to first install the package containing it.

Which package would that be? Where can I find it? It don't say.

Aha! Google to the rescue! Except, no, wait, this page assumes I already have kde_application_manuals installed, and am trying to configure them/it. Apparently they're for KDE. What's KDE? Aha! It's the graphic user interface I DON'T have. (I'm running gnome.) And this page doesn't help. And this page doesn't help. And this page doesn't help. There is nothing in the first 5 screens that is even close to fitting the bill.

But wait, what I really want is to know what a "simon" model is. Google to the rescue! Except, no, wait. There is nothing in the first 5 screens that ... hey, where have I heard that before?

Welcome to Ubuntu Hell. There's no way to find the answer on your own! There's nobody to ask! There is no manual!

You entered when you installed Ubuntu on your computer. You will never leave until you scrape that crap off your hard drive and install Windows, because you suck and our software isn't designed for you, it's designed for the people who designed it, a closed circle of misanthropic fiends whose only joy in life is to make otherwise intelligent people feel inferior to themselves.

Did I mention how I can't have two sources of sound at the same time? If I open a YouTube window, I lose all the sounds in the chatroom that tell me (say) when someone comes in or starts typing. There are plenty of places in all the online Ubuntu/Linux online communities that have at least one thread about this problem. In none of them is it solved, except for the ones which, when I try the solution, it doesn't work for me.

Oh, did I mention Ubuntu/Linux online community "help" threads? Those have a most interesting dynamic. You ask a question. Some bright and helpful person gives the only answer they have. You try it and it doesn't work. Some second person gives their sole answer. You try it and it doesn't work. The thread then goes silent for eternity. These communities are littered with threads whose last post is from 2006 and consists of some variation on, "That didn't work. Help?"

Ticking down, Ubuntu. If this bullshit keeps up until April 1, you're out the Windows. No fooling.