BS: Our Attorney General

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: LR Mole
Date: 06 Feb 01 - 10:05 AM

Hm...well, I know of no more thoughtful, gentle,sensible community than the 'cat.And since you've never tried to trade god for money or power, but only as a key to understanding, I'm just glad to be about when this sort of thought goes on here.Still, there are some very silly people out there in the world, and even a bit of malice.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 09:40 PM

Greg F, as long as others try to define what I experience, see, feel, say, and mean, I will decline advice based on that skewed view. In general I do what I expect others to do-- stick to my own best sense of what's what, make as much sense as I can every day, and expect others to do the same.

I have heard this particular piece of humor beofre, this Dr. Laura thing, and have had quite a bit of time to think about it. If you want to define a strong opinion as sanctimony, because it happens to be about a religion matter, that's up to you. But it does not further real communication that you do.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: Burke
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 08:27 PM

There are lots of easy targets in Leviticus. There are some other commands that make sense. When I look at the context of Lev. 18:22, I know very few who have a problem with either 18:21 or 18:23.

http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=Leviticus+18

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 07:09 PM

Me two, spaw. As my Jewish friends say, "There is no Reason, it is because God SAYS!!" and alex mousethief, if my post came off sounding like that, I apologize. That is not what I meant. I am just real sick and tired of other people using their rules to define my life.......and it is going to get worse in the US now.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 07:05 PM

Hate to disagree with a self-proclaimed Sanctimonius Proselytising Bitch, but it strikes me more as an anti-absurdity piece, not an anti-Christian one.

Am I permitted a general observation?: less sanctimony might engender less bashing.

Best, Greg

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 06:42 PM

And on that JoeBro, I can agree. Thanks.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 06:26 PM

Well, Spaw, let me word that another way:

• If people want to use Leviticus as a guide for their own conduct,
  I can respect that, and maybe even have admiration for their integrity.
• If they want to use Leviticus a guide for judging others,
  that I can't accept.

-JoeBro-

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: mousethief
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 06:26 PM

How odd that people outside a particular community should tell the people inside that community how to define that community's beliefs, how to read that community's sacred or defining texts, etc.

What gall.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: GUEST, ~S~
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 06:21 PM

May Spaw be kidnapped by friendly Chasidic Jews and may they both learn much, one from another.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: GUEST, Proselytizing Bitch, AKA Praise
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 06:19 PM

It's been a special treat to be accused of being a sanctimonious, self-righteous, proselytizing bitch around here, while having anti-Christian statements lauded as high good humor on a regular basis by people who don't know what they are talking about. I find the process of de-vangelization nearly as interesting as evangelization. I would have to admit, on a good day, that this has been in general a strengthening process for me, when all is said and DONE.

Too bad those of you who delight so much in bashing things don't do it at Beliefnet, where there are whole boards dedicated to vigorous criticism and challenge of people's various beliefs. You can rag on anything there, with plenty of company to egg you on. But then that would mean playing with people who have been practicing dealing with the absence of logic this kind of bashing is founded upon.

Me, I am not so good at that. I still have the ridiculous hope that people will actually think, make sense, listen, and come to some kind of resolution in an effort to grow as human beings. I forget, see, that this just isn't the agenda involved in playing Basherama.

But I am working on it.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 06:14 PM

Apologies to all for all the reasons and all that, but this one has missed my e-mail and like Fionn, I'm still busting a gut!

And Joe, I love you bro, but why would you have a lot of respect for anyone who can follow a load of pretty senseless and out of date rules purely because they exist? I'm not demeaning anyone's religion or faith and I truly mean no ill here, but..........ain't that just kinda' dumb?

AND NOW LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I WILL GOUGE MY ASS WITH AN ICEPICK 27 TIMES.

Reminds me of Gordon Liddy demonstrating macho.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 06:09 PM

Joe, I don't think anyone could follow ALL the laws in Leviticus in today's world, and the Mea Shearim does try, in spite of the Israeli government. Those laws were written for a different time and place, and there is no way to "update" them for a modern world. Nor would most of us want to.

It is a funny message, I just can't help but wonder how true it will turn out to be, and what is in store for the US in the future..........should we all lay in a goodly supply of stakes for burning? or begin embroidering scarlet letter "A's"?..........

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 06:03 PM

Libral, you can spell your name however you like, that was a hilarious post. I know Sorcha's right, but I just couldn't stop LOL.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 06:02 PM

Well, I have a lot of respect for those who choose to follow ALL the laws specified in Leviticus, although that's not something I'd choose to do. I think the first message does a clever job of pointing out the fallacy of using Leviticus as proof only for your favorite abominations, while ignoring the rest. Whether Ashcroft will do that or not, is another question.
For a good number of us, whether we like it or not, Ashcroft is "our" Attorney General. If you are not of the American persuasion, you can be like Helen from Australia and laugh and be glad you don't have Jack A. as your attorney general.
Ooops! Did I just call our Attorney General "Jack A."? Well, I'm willing to give him a chance to prove himself. Maybe he won't be as bad as some people expect him to be.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 05:48 PM

Shania I agree with a few of your comments, such as "our".....he certainly is not the AG of the UK, Oz, of lots of other Mudcat places. Neither is he the AG of a lot the American people, but the problem is:

The extreme right winger, political and religious both, has always relied on the Exact Written Word.....the problem lies in the interpretation of that Word.....an intelligent person can prove ANYthing with statistics, and a religious Christian or Jewish person can prove ANYthing with the Bible......but there is always another quote which nullifies the first quote.........

I think the thing is spot on. Unfortunately, it is not too funny because it is too true, and too scary.

PS--witch werds did u thinc wear speled rong?

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 05:45 PM

Whal, yew kno whut? Ashcroft if ofensiv tew a much larjer numbr of peepul sew git ower hit. Haws thet fer spellin?

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: GUEST, Shania ("that don't impress me much") Twane
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 05:22 PM

This sort of "Dr. Laura" thing has already made the round in e-mails and is quite offensive to people who find some good in the Bible, be they Jews or Christians, liberal or conservative by whatever litmus test one deigns to apply. And titling a thread "Our Attorney General" is extraordinarly presumptuous of people's interest in US politics in an international community.

Also plese lern to spel libral keerectally.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Attorney General
From: Helen
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 05:17 PM

LOL. My sentiments exactly - not the killing bits, but the mindless reliance on "what is written" against all current common sense and humanity. Especially the fact that a lot of people who quote the Bible to justify their beliefs and actions will often only quote one sentence out of context.

Helen

Subject: Our Attorney General
From: GUEST,Libral
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 05:04 PM

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you so much for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law.
I have learned a great deal from your show and I try to share that knowledge
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual
lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly
states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you,
however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.


A) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
    pleasing odor for the Lord (Leviticus 1: 9). The problem is my neighbors.
    They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

B) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
    21: 7. In this day & age, what would be a fair market price for her?

C) I know I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period
    of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15: 19-24). The problem is how do I tell?
    I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

D) Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may own slaves, both male & female,
    provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
   claims this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why
    can't I own Canadians?

E) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2
    clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill
    him myself?

F) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
    abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.
    I don't agree, can you settle this?

G) Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
    have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses.
    Does my vision have to be 20   20 or is there some wiggle room here?

H) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
    around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
    Leviticus 19:27. How should they die?

I) I know from Leviticus 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig
    makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

J) My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two crops
    in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
    different kinds of thread (cotton & polyester blend). He tends to curse
    and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble
    of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev. 24: 10-16).
    Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we
    do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20: 14)?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you
can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
unchanging.

         Sincerely,

         John Ashcroft