BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 11:30 PM

I'm so glad you have all contributed your thoughts. The Holy Spirit certainly has many meanings. I think in its simplest terms, the Holy Spirit (ghost) may also be attributed to the resurrection of Christ. It is possibly a way of explaining the "conversation" when the rock was rolled away. In other words, God sent his son and even after crucifiction, his spirit remained to inform us.

Am I the only one who has heard the term Holy Ghost?

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: wysiwyg
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 06:37 PM

GS, no, so probably we have not met.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 06:11 PM

I agree, dianavan. The wisest way to pray is to give thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 06:00 PM

Amen Susan.....and did you used to go into msn chat rooms...Christian ones that is..I just have this feeling we have met before...Oh and sorry...that is not a chat up line (for those cynics out there.)

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: wysiwyg
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 05:33 PM

I had thought I might not post in this thread again. It's wandered far off topic. But I ran across this in an old email today while looking for something else.

I had a vision once of the love and energy of the Holy Spirit emanating from God as a flow of undulating, rich, creaminess. Like a combination of a waterfall, cleaned and silky sheeps' wool, and calm waves-- reaching to us.

The Holy Spirit also is involved, for me, whenever a friend is in deep need and I know it responsively before they tell me, and when I know exactly what they need from me or need to hear from me before I even find out what's going on.

A source of energy and knowledge entrusted to me in an expectation to use it obediently. A strong and personal presence thanking and appreciating me when I say YES to this phenomenon, and an inner guidance as to the exact words and actions to take and NOT take. A feeling of being nudged toward the unknown and reassurance it is a safe unknown. Or a feeling of being held back when I would otherwise blunder ahead in my own faulty wisdom. A holy roadblock and sign: "STOP, DETOUR. God at Work Here."

Why do I say this is the Spirit, for me, when I know others have somewhat similar experiences? It is because I have given all that I am, to my Lord and Savior, to use as He chooses. Therefore everything in my ife is within that context. I choose to have that experience within Him, not outside Him.

How do I know when it is that Spirit seeking to use me, and not an evil one in a pretty costume? First by the spiritual gift of discernment and long interaction with this Person, and Second, by comparing what is asked and what I feel, with Scripture, especially Scriptiure about the life of Jesus. Third, by the fruits that follow. As I see the result of my obedient action over time, flowing from the action to the life of the other person and out from their life into others' lives, I am confirmed that I had the right ID for that Voice, thus reinforcing everything about the Voice and making it easier and easier to separate it out from the surrounding clamor.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 07:04 AM

A friend often reminds me-Ask to be given what you need, not what you think you want...xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Deckman
Date: 17 Apr 04 - 11:33 AM

Hey Little Hawk ... was her name Nancy? I'm thinking it was the same one I met ... naaaah, probably not! CHEERS, Bob

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: dianavan
Date: 17 Apr 04 - 03:22 AM

LittleHawk - its best to only give thanks when you pray. Low risk.

If you need guidance, ask your ancestors. They already been there.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: artbrooks
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 04:56 PM

I think it means "my lady-friend and I."

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 04:48 PM

Maybe God means "you people and me"? Or maybe God means "all of us".

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: GUEST,Shlio
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 04:05 PM

Darn! too late to talk to Martin. A pity - I wanted to ask him something, that I just know he would have had an answer for. Any other Jews there who can answer this?

Focusing once more on the thread title, it seems that the Holy Spirit is mentioned in both the Old and New Testaments, as early as Genesis. Not only does Gen:1 mention God's Spirit, in verse 26 it has God saying "us". Doesn't this show the presence of a Spirit and God, which together make GOD the whole? Or is it just that God gets to use the royal we?

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 03:53 PM

Yeah, LH. I guess just about the only things it's really safe to "pray" for are blessings for yourself and/or others, and for the "highest good of all concerned". Everything else has the potential for unexpected (and sometimes very unpleasant) repercussions.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Amos
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 03:21 PM

GS:

Appreciate the generous sentiment, and thanks. I am well accounted for. The only empty feelings from which I suffer come from purely human causes, including scheduling of meals and hyperinflation of routine mal du coeur. I wouldn't want to fill those wiht the wrong thing, naturally.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 02:59 PM

For instance, I recall praying very hard to get a girl friend at one time. I got her. I spent the next 3 years putting up with/getting rid of her and some time after that regaining my sanity and peace of mind! :-) I am much more careful now about what I ask for.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: GUEST,georgiansilver
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 12:33 PM

Hey Amos. My last rendering gave one suggestion...As I said, If you have something that really works for you then great..perhaps if you haven't, you might want to try something!!. Be Blessed.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Amos
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 10:47 AM

And to whom...

A

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 10:24 AM

Yes, indeed, sincere prayer works! And for that reason, people have to be quite judicious and think carefully about what they pray for...

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: GUEST,georgiansilver
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 10:13 AM

Since becoming Christian in 1991, so much has happened in my life,,,, I could not begin to recount the prayers I have had answered. I pray....with the help of the Holy Spirit, through Jesus to God...I know that works. If you have not had answer to prayer or struggle with your belief, why not take a look at what Jesus words say in the New Testament. Find a Bible with His words in red and really set out to study what is on offer. For me, it can and has to be what life is all about....Oh yes, I fail at keeping the "Commandments" Jesus re-iterated in Matthew 5.. but keep working at trying to perfect myself for Him in the true belief that it is what HE wants me to do.
Whatever works for you, great!! If you feel that emptiness I used to feel inside,,,,,if you think life is too tough for you to manage on your own...... If nothing works for you, keep seeking the truth and one day it will hit you head on.
Be Blessed!!

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 08:33 AM

Or maybe the pace of thought and exploration has outstripped the time needed to reflect on and digest what has been shared by people who KNOW the person who was asked about, and have had daily experience with the associated phenomenena over a long period of time. I run into that a lot.

I think humans tend to seek and then avoid understanding sometimes-- we ask someone for an answer, and then go right past their answer as it heads into what we feel as the unknown-- so we can keep on looking till we make our way back to what we ourselves really thought to begin with!

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Amos
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 08:20 AM

Perhaps there are actually two major things being called by the same name, gentlemen. Faith in the blind form, used as a generator of darkness; and faith as a conscious alignment with the UNiverse in some way, used as a generator of new insights and understandings.

Maybe we have just run out of good words to use.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 02:26 AM

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 05:14 PM

Life is really very, very simple, Wolfgang. People have no more basic drives than you can count on the fingers of one or at the most two hands. That's it. They clothe it in endless complexities, though, and hand out degrees on the basis of how well you can master them and repeat them...

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Wolfgang
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 04:49 PM

Ah, that's Little Hawk how we know him. Where all distinctions are blurred and words lose the usual meaning, where inanimate matter is undistinguishable from animate matter, that's where he is at home.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 04:36 PM

That all depends on how broad your definition of religion is, Don. I consider people who have faith in either the Democratic or Republican parties to be DEEPLY religious, and to be acting entirely on faith. And horribly misplaced faith, I might add. :-)

Matter of fact, I consider all people to be religious. Even atheists. Even Wolfgang. Even Clinton Hammond. You just gotta find out what it is they worship or have the most faith in, that's all. Sometimes it's something as prosaic as their own ego...or money...or their sex drive. Whatever. Where a man's faith resides, there is his religion...it may or may not include "God".

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 02:08 PM

A general comment about religious folks as distinct from religion itself:—

Where religion of any flavor goes awry is when its followers, uncomfortable with the inherent mystery of religious experience, feel they must lard it over with hard and fast dogma. Joseph Campbell once said that the greatest impediment to religious experience is established religion. When people of "faith" feel they have a direct pipeline to the Almighty (whatever they envision that to be) and feel that they have the right—or the duty—to demand that others believe and behave as they do or suffer the consequences in this life, invariably the result is the worst form of tyranny. History is full of examples. The present is full of examples.

For any kind of free society, strict separation of religious belief and secular power is an absolute necessity.

A very wise person once said, "The opposite of faith is not doubt; the opposite of faith is certainty."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 12:21 PM

Yes, freda, they are the two sides of the coin. And, yes, Susan, Christian disciplines can also address all areas of life...it's just that for some (many?) Christians, they don't. And that's true for Easterners too. Many followers of Eastern faiths simply engage in various forms of outward rituals without working on inward change.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Amos
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 12:21 PM

I was raised as a Protestant Christian also. The proposed world-view made little or no sense to me then, and things have not improved in that regard. I believe that calling in to play entities that essentially have to be generated and injecting arbitrary parameters for them and their likes and dislikes is a pretty strange way to try to find truth, or understand the Universe better, or even seek right living. It just complicates the problem to add in arbitrary datums. And as far as I can see, most models of reality held forth by organized religions are essentially nothing else. In spite of having a strong sense of spiritual nature, phenomena and such. I think Henri Bergson was far more effective than Aquinas in offering workable explanations, for example.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: GUEST,bbc at work
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 12:13 PM

My background & religious expression is Protestant Christian. I subscribe to the K.I.S.S. definitions of Trinity:

Father-Creator & Sustainer of all things
Son-Savior, God who came to earth as an example we could understand
Holy Spirit-God w/ us to instruct & guide

Works for me.

Best to all,

bbc

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 10:57 AM

LH, I would strongly disagree with you about Western religions not addressing the mind and not including physical disciplines. Like any personal discipline, however, the individual has to apply it in order to reap any benefit from what is designed and intended.

My husband is a terrific example of this. I think you would enjoy discussing it with him. It certainly is part of what underlies the extraordinary calm everyone remarks upon as he arrives in the midst of emergencies, as he seeks and builds peace in the midst of controversies, and the focus he brings to celebrating the Eucharist.

It isn't something we talk about in the same terms you do, but it's there, and has been.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: freda underhill
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 10:46 AM

Little hawk, my father was a Catholic who was ostracised by his large Irish australian family when he left the church. He hated hypocrisy and abuse of power. He married my mother (scottish oz protestant) and they both brought us all up without religion. My father was a fiercely committed athiest to the end, and my siblings all are as well. we all inherited a great sense of social justice from him and my mother, who was also a socially committed person.

I grew up with a view inherited from my family that western religions were based on "belief" and so were inadequate. I told myself that meditation was a technique and that i could experience something (which i did), based on my own experience and not any imposed belief system.

but then i was left with "what do i do with this" and am i going to live in a spiritual ivory tower all my life?

personal flaws, trends, in a particular religion that incensed my father do not reflect on every follower of that religion. and its clear to me that its sometimes very hard for a westerner to fully enter an eastern religion and vice versa, because we bring our own cultural "clothes" with us. we can't see that conditioning, its so deep in us.

and while eastern philosophies can be very inclusive on a theoretical level, will we ever see a Western Dalai Llama? they are both two sides of a cracked mirror, or two sides of a perfect mirror.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 10:08 AM

freda - Everything you describe in your post about Eastern religion rings true for me. I admire your discipline in applying it, and I am sure that you reaped great benefits in doing so.

The thing about Eastern spiritual disciplines is: you don't just adopt a set of beliefs about reality, you actually undertake various practices and disciplines (breathing techniques, physical exercise, meditation, contemplation, chanting, etc) which strengthen and focus the mind, body, and emotions and cause an evolutionary change in the practitioner. Far more powerful than just "believing" something!

Western religions seem to primarily address the mind...through passing on beliefs. Eastern religions address the body, mind, emotions, and spirit...in equal measure...via every available avenue. Also, Hindu sages revere Jesus as a spiritual master, an avatar. How many Christian spokesmen have revered Krishna? Not too many. The Eastern approach tends to be much more inclusive and open-minded toward other faiths...recognizing that there are many avatars, not just one.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 09:49 AM

The commandments are better referred to as Mitzvots, and I doubt that there are many who could begin keep up with them all. But they do cover all the important aspects of judaism. I only brought it up to indicate the complexity of most religions, though as someone above pointed out, they can all be made pretty simple in practice if one so desires...xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: freda underhill
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 08:49 AM

Amos, you're always accepting and encouraging..
          thank you - freda

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: artbrooks
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 08:39 AM

Well, I asked my wife, who is my source for information on non-religious but semi-cultural Jewish upbringings, and she says that she never heard of something specifically called "the 613 Commandments." She was certainly aware that there are, or were, a lot of rules, mostly developed in the Middle Ages and coming out of obscure passages in the Bible. My personal read on these is that nobody today really equates growing the hair long on your temples (which is probably in there somewhere)with murder (one of the Big Ten), and it is doubtful that they ever did. That doesn't mean that rudeness is ok, whether it is one of the 613 or not.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Amos
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 08:38 AM

Nicely, nicely writ, Freda.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: freda underhill
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 07:56 AM

well, pulling back from the middle eastern conflict..

I practised a Hindu path for a decade and a half, a form of tantra. -not the physical tantra you may have read about, but various methods of meditation based on tantric tradition. During this time I meditated 4 times a day, practised yoga twice a day, and followed a semi monastic lifestyle.

The philosphy I lived and tried to experience during this time included the following beliefs:

God/Universal spirit is all pervading, and all of creation is its manifestation. this conscious, intelligent spirit emanates and perceives in/throughout everything.

While the many layered and symbolic Indian tradition promotes a pantheon of gods, images, stories and methods, ultimately, the union sought is between Shiva/Shakti (male, female). the moment of union, experienced by surrender of the ego, is union with an entity that is genderless.

and yes, as in other religions, the tantric vision of God/spirit is of a being which manifests and is love.

The meditation techniques I learnt taught me how to concentrate and focus my mind to such a degree that i could then go within, beyond my usual identity and personality, to experience that universal consciousness deep inside.

some regard eastern religions as fads, as based on superstition, or as idolatrous. I do not. an examination of various forms of religion across the globe will find variations within each form and culture, some of which can be negatively characterised by any critic.

i accept that any religious organisation can be improperly used. I also accept that in order to learn ancient beliefs, eastern or western, you need to learn from a master, or pray with a teacher.

and I also respect any person's right to experienced Universal Consciousness or God through whatever method   life and their good judgement takes them to.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 07:42 AM

I've just gone back and read the rest of the thread. I have no idea if Martin Gibson has given up commenting or not here. If he has, that in itself is pretty interesting.

Just for anyone who cares, I was born a jew, and raised to research not only that religion but all others in the understanding that anyone who professes that theirs is the only "true religion" is someone to be wary of. I have since gone my own way, but recognize that there are worthy words and thoughts to be gleaned from many organized (or disorganized) religions, and schools of spiritual thought. That I found Orthodox Judaism to have some strange practices doesn't set them apart, but on the contrary, shows them to be as complex as any other out there.

I have focused previously in this thread on the aspect of the feminine being unclear or pretty invisible in many western religions, and if I pick on Judaism, it's perhaps because I can't forget that the Male Orthodox Jew gets up every morning of his life, puts on his Teffilin (Phylacteries) and thanks G-D he was NOT BORN A WOMAN!!!

It saddens me that MG seems so defensive about not only his knowledge (or lack thereof) of his chosen religion, but that he had to become, once again, aggressive towards those who disagreed with him. As usual, you all put up a good fight, staying reasonable and pretty darn polite.

I think Martin is a little meshuggah, and for that, we might all sympathize with the putz..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 07:17 AM

Martin Gibson, I would have responded earlier, but I have guests in town..I did notice that CarolC did what I would have done, which is to show you where to go online for this information...here is yet another one-(Website is titled "Judaism 101", and if you want more, just Google "Commandments of Judaism"...not all that difficult or obscure)

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

which I had bookmarked for myself a while ago, since I've been reading these on and off for most of my life, trying to make sense of why there are so many. It's because Jews like to nit-pick, especially when it comes to interpretation of the Torah. Since you are also a fan of nit-picking, it is unfathomable to me that you didn't know about this before. You say you've been studying Judaism since you were young? Hmmm.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 03:15 AM

Holy Moly, I mean Holy Dinah, oh Holy Shit!

I just heard on the local news (BC) that on her birthday, the daughter and step-daughter of a grandmother in Vancouver; gave birth to babies on the same day - to the minute!

What are the odds - Holy Macadoochy!

Wait til you see them!

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 01:27 AM

Does anyone actually know Martin in the flesh?

I get the feeling that he is an extremely lonely, history major of Jewish background trying to re-discover his roots. I would also guess that he is a spoiled, rotten brat who never had to work for anything in his life.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 01:16 AM

Moses Maimon - Thanks for the reassurance. I sometimes think Martin is trying to fan the flames of anti-semitism. He has assumed a Jewish persona to hide behind his so-called Zionism. He actually assumes he is entitled to his nastiness.

Carol C - I think you took the brunt of my comments to Martin. I'm sorry he is so confused. At least he is beginning to recognize when its time to quit.

Martin - As I've said before, get your aim straight.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Strick
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 12:06 AM

Why do you ask? Oh, I see. I've never had a Jewish boyfriend for more than one reason (besides never having been asked out by a nice Jewish boy).

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 11:59 PM

I prefer rye bread or brown bread, and I'm not even Jewish! I can't stand white bread. It's lifeless, lacklustre, and uninspiring. I'm no big fan of mayonnaise either.

Strick, are you a female? I ask that, because I'd been assuming you were male for some time now. I didn't think there WERE any female Republicans, aside from a few hardbitten pros like Condoleeza Rice and Barbara Bush. :-)

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: GUEST,Moses Maimon
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 11:14 PM

It appears that what you're seeing has nothing to do with differences within Judaism. What you're seeing is a boorish guy (boors are present within all religious communities) who isn't as smart or as educated as he'd like everyone else to think he is, who resorts to name calling when he's embarrassed by his lack of knowledge of the very subject he'd have us think he's expert in.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 10:50 PM

So, are we actually just seeing something here about the differences within Judaism (reform, Orthodox)?

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Once Famous
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 10:04 PM

I quit.

Time to start a new thread about hot dogs or something.

Martin Gibson, out.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 10:00 PM

Putting the pastrami on white bread with mayo is is goyishe.

Guest, C-watch, maybe you better tell all of the goyim (I notice this is not usually capitalized) that we eat white bread with mayo. I think some of us didn't get that memo. But thanks for the explanation ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Strick
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 10:00 PM

Er, Martin, I've never had a Jewish boy friend nor did I look this up on the internet. I was aware of some of what Carol posted (nice new info, though, thanks Carol) from other sources and study. Probably should have stood up for her, but heck, I'm not an expert and thought maybe I misunderstood something. I made an oblique reference to this in the Passover thread. These commandments are what I understand to be the detail of the Law. I gather GUEST wasn't aware of them either?

What's you're beef? I don't see how this disagreement reflects on anyone. If someone posted something about Hail Mary's in answer to one of my posts, I wouldn't know what they were talking about. It doesn't make me any less Christian, just one who my religion differently.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 09:53 PM

Martin, what are you talking about? Where did I say you lost an argument? You're right. There wasn't any argument. If you look in my post about Jewish Law in the thread about Passover, you'll see that I have already posted pretty much the same links over there (minus the Judaism 101 link... I only posted that here because it has a list of the "commandments" in question). All I did was move that information from that thread to this one. You're right that I know almost nothing about your religion. I have no interest in getting into an argument with you about your religion.

And I don't really care what kinds of names or perjorative descriptions you can think of to call me. I know who and what I am. That's enough for me.

Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Once Famous
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 09:41 PM

Carol C.

I didn't lose any arguement. There was no arguement. Just because you had a Jewish boyfriend once who dumped you and you can play "Jew" in a google search doesn't mean you know squat. Except you just know how to squat.

Name calling? That's not name calling.

You're an ignorant, trailer court in the middle of nowhere Nascar T-shirt wearing ignorant goishe shiksa who spends way too much time on the Internet.

That wasn't name calling, really, either. Tale a break. Isn't Reba McIntyre's show or Hee Haw on right now?