BS: English Football Thugs Film

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 07:49 AM

Dickhead.

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 05:43 AM

When the English soccer hordes visit Germany for next summers World Cup the German Police are opening Colditz in anticipation of these hate filled scum making life miserable for genuine football fans.

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 05:08 AM

homocide?

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: yrlancslad
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 02:41 AM

Yes it's true there is violence at football matches in the U.K. such that when I went to my first American football match (a Raiders game at that ) I was amazed at the lack of violence and the general good nature of the crowd. At the same time I don't think you can make general comparisons from that. Most of the time they're not actually killing each other on the streets of Manchester unlike the streets of Oakland whose homocide rate for this year exceeds that for the whole of the UK. Take this from one who knows both cities.

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Dec 05 - 02:37 AM

Root canal work DB , with no anaesthetic!

I would rather spend an evening with Jack the Ripper, fred West and have the Reverend Jim Jones make the tea, than do another gig in a pub with a large telvision screen six inches above your head showing a football match.

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 04:55 PM

Well I actually live at the end of the real Green Street, and although there are certain elements of the film (bearing in mind I've only seen reviews, the local council refused permission for it to be shown in cinemas here) that are accurate, they are condensed so it appears worse than it is.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: GUEST,Tommy Jordan
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 02:56 PM

Good point DB. The British Army recruited them and sent them to Ulster !

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 02:38 PM

I'm sure it has been said before but young men are the most dangerous force on the planet. This can be said of the young men of all nations.
Those in power know this, of course, and recruit such young men into their armed forces. You really don't want to live in a country like Somalia, Liberia, Chechnya or the Bosnia of a few years ago where young men are/were just supplied with automatic weapons and unleashed ...
Hopefully, football hooligans mainly fight each other? I hope so, I loathe and detest football and would rather have root canal work at the dentists than go to a football match.

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: GUEST,Cluin
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 02:21 PM

Robert Carlyle in "The 51st State (Formula 51)"

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: fat B****rd
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 02:10 PM

Gary Oldman in The Firm, weelittledrummer. Lots of famous faces in their younger days.

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 02:08 PM

Derek Brimstones sons have written a couple of books on the subject. and they sold very well.

I think they make good films about it. More bloody intersting than football. There was that one ID with the bloke who plays Inspector Dalziel in it. And I saw another one with Gary Thingy who played Dracula.

But don't take my word for it. come to england and have a fight.

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: GUEST,Alex Folly
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 02:06 PM

Yeah it's true. Lived there for five years and my partner was a soccer fan, used to go on match days. Fans of teams playing Manchester United used to sing a song they made up about the Munich air disaster called the Runway song. Fans of clubs song other sick songs about Heysel and Hillsbourgh.Coloured players always got it really bad. I doubt the German police are looking forward to the Soccer World Cup next year !

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 02:02 PM

all Americans are lazy, burger-eating, coke-swilling, ignorant, ill-informed lard-ass bigmouths

That's their President.

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 02:01 PM

"I do not have either the inclination or physique for violence."

Neither do I. And on occasion that has been someone else's first mistake.

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 02:00 PM

Johnny, your description of English Football fans is about as accurate as me saying that all Americans are lazy, burger-eating, coke-swilling, ignorant, ill-informed lard-ass bigmouths. There must be a few like that but the vast majority are fine people.

I've spectated at football matches for almost fifty years and never been involved in any sort of hooliganism or violence. Not saying it never happens, just that it's far, far rarer than journalists and film-makers would have you believe, and that those who do involve themselves in it are a very, very small minority, and they are not, repeat NOT football fans. They are just thugs who, if football didn't exist, would find another activity to attach themselves to.

And there are many other countries who have similar problems or worse - e.g. South American countries where referees have been shot for making unpopular decisions, and players murdered by the fans after playing badly.

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: alanabit
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 01:41 PM

Let's make a difference between the bastards you are talking about Johnny and real football fans. The scum you refer to do indeed have a "sport". It is fighting. They don't like doing it in gymnasiums and clubs where they have to fight people of near their own weight and ability. I could offer several suggestions as to why that is not the case.
The majority of football fans are no more violent than the average knitter of woolly mittens. Unfortunately, the scum attach themselves to football crowds and thrive on the anonymity as a blanket for their thuggery. I have attended football matches for over thirty years and they have always disgusted me.
I do not have either the inclination or physique for violence. (At five foot four, I am half the size of nothing). I am a pretty average football fan. I did all my fighting sports in gymanasiums (boxing and judo as a kid and now karate). I have never fought anyone in any other place. That makes me about as violent as the average football fan. The scum does exist, but I don't deserve to be judged by their actions.
In short, they exist, but they are a pitiful minority.

Subject: RE: BS: English Football Thugs Film
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 12:27 PM

Well, it's partially true. There is an amount of football related violence. It has been very much reduced in the last few years, but it still exists.

Our football thugs the worst in the world? There or thereabouts...

Law and order on the streets? Not really. The police spend more time on paperwork than patrol, and the senior officers seem to regard their forces as a social engineering tool.

Why chase muggers when you can prosecute minor motoring offenses? A mugger hasn't got a number-plate on. Might actually take some work to find them...

And Friday or Saturday night in a city centre, over-run with drunken young louts, turfed out of drinking barns after getting tanked up on cheap alcohol. Law and order? I believe it's the name of a chain pub...

Subject: BS: English Soccer Thugs Film
From: GUEST,Johnny Doran
Date: 18 Dec 05 - 11:39 AM

Just got the DVD sent over to me of the film, Green Street Holligans. Which looks at the English soccer thugs. I can see way so many in England did not want this film to be seen or made.Reviews all said it's very true to life over there every Saturday. Is there law and order on the streets there ? There is no way this would be acceptable in the states. Is it true English followers of soccer are the worst in the world when it comes to thuggery ?