BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 12:44 PM

Interview with the suspect

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 12:05 PM

Twat.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 11:27 AM

So idle layabouts who scrounge off the taxes paid by those of us who work for a living are OK in you book, GUEST

Your words strolling - why are you so quick to deny them?

however I AM suggesting that to denigrate a woman for undertaking dangerous and unpleasant work is truly beneath contempt. It's bad enough that women should be driven by their circumstances to do this kind of work,

Like I said before, the woman in question who decided to capitalise on the sitation and sell her story to the tabloids, isn't being driven to endanger her life and possibly leave her kids motherless. She is a non drug user on income support who chooses to endanger herself and spotted another opportunity to make a quick buck out of the tragedy with the sleaze press. Wha a fine example of motherhood.

Save your sympathy for the lone parents who DO make ends meet and put their children first.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 10:01 AM

BBC R4 broadcast an interview with the man at lunch time.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST,Bainbo
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 09:27 AM

Correction. The BBC's taken the picture off, presumably having got the letter, but have still got his name on.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST,Bainbo
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 09:24 AM

Guest of 07:01am:
"Specially not when your face has already been in the Sunday papers, thus possibly prejudicing a trial???"

Well spotted, Guest. You'd think it was obvious, wouldn't you? But apparently, the thrill of having a good story seems to be clouding editors' judgement.
The police are circulating a letter to the media, asking them not to publish material that may hinder the investigation, especially where identification might be an issue, or it may prejudice a fair trial.

They say: "We strongly advise you to take legal advice before naming any individual or individuals."

Funny how Mudcatters can spot the pitfalls, but not experienced meedja men. And his picture's still on the BBC News site.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 09:22 AM

Not necessarily - it could just mean that he'd said he didn't want to continue with answering questions - "helping police with their inquiries" as they say. Being arrested means he can't just walk out of the station.

And as I understand it the police said they weren't making any further appeals for information - not that the existing appeals ceased to apply.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 08:24 AM

BTW, the police spokesman actually said he's been 'arrested', which means they have more than just a suspicion it was him wot dun it.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 08:22 AM

Tom Stevens has been arrested and is being questioned this afternoon about the five murders. (BBC 1'oclock news).

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:50 AM

The police have announced that they are in no need of further hints or information from the population. They surely consider the hunt being over.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:33 AM

Somebody might have already pointed this out but, strictly speaking, he appears not to be a 'Ripper'. He certainly is a bastard, however.

GUEST - I'm not at all suggesting that all benefits claimants are no-good layabouts, however I AM suggesting that to denigrate a woman for undertaking dangerous and unpleasant work is truly beneath contempt. It's bad enough that women should be driven by their circumstances to do this kind of work, without some pompous, anonymous prick trying to take the moral high-ground and set him/herself up in judgment over them.

Prostitutes aren't nymphomaniacs, shagging twenty men a night because they love it - they do it because it's a way out of poverty. They're human beings, doing what they can, and for that they deserve some respect at least.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:01 AM

Specially not when your face has already been in the Sunday papers, thus possibly prejudicing a trial??? Coincidence?

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 06:51 AM

Same man, name of Tom Stephens. But being arrested isn't the same thing as being charged, let alone being guilty. No call to assume it's all over yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Emma B
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 06:21 AM

A 37 year old "loner" gave an interview to the Sunday Mirror yesterday protesting his innoncence - coincidence?

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST,Bainbo
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 04:50 AM

37-year-old guy arrested at Felixstowe. The news is just breaking.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 07:39 PM

I don't really think there's much point in slagging off the women involved in this.

Slag off the punters instead, that's quite a different matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 05:13 PM

Richard you insult the many thousands of lone parents who do manage to do just that on state benefit. What percentage of them do you actually think turn to prostitution to boost their income support? Miniscule. Nobody is saying people on state benfit live a life of luxury, far from it, but the majority manage without putting their lives at risk on the streets of Ipswich.

Like I said drug addicts are funding a habit that state benfit is not designed to support, so their reasons for being on the streets are understandable.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 04:29 PM

Guest - wait till you need to feed and clothe kids, pay rent or a mortgage, buy fuel, provide for kids consumer expectations, all on the state benefit - and cannot go back to work because the kids need the time your employer will demand.

I haven't had to do it, but I used to know someone who had been through all of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 03:28 PM

Also having re read your post I also do not agree that everyone claiming state benefit is a scrounger - as you appear to think. I pay taxes and would rather this woman tried to live on the income support and not run the risk of leaving her kids motherless.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 03:25 PM

No strolling - far from it. NONE of these women deserve to die, if that is what you think I mean.

My point was I can fully understand how women addicted to drugs prostitute themselves and thereby put themselves at risk of attack.

I can not understand how a woman not addicted to drugs can do the same.

The woman in question who by her own admission is not drug dependant, is happily claiming welfare benefit AND prostituting herself. Considering she is doing so on the streets of Ipswich and leaving two kids under five at home while she does so, I find contemptible. There is no excuse for her putting herself at risk.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 03:13 PM

So idle layabouts who scrounge off the taxes paid by those of us who work for a living are OK in you book, GUEST, whereas those who do whatever they can to support themselves, even though by doing so they put themselves at risk, are somehow contemptible?

What a strange, bemuddled world some people's heads live in.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 01:02 PM

I said speechless not incapable of using my fingers.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 12:56 PM

"However the woman last week left me speechless." Apparently not though...

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 12:46 PM

Sorry - I forgot to include that she proudly stated unlike most prostitutes she never touches drugs. In my mind the drug addicted are incapable of reasoned thought process and I can see why they are putting themsleves in the firing line. However the woman last week left me speechless.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 12:43 PM

It is more often the case that drug habits fuel the need to prostitute themselves, but not always. An Ipswich prostitute sold her story to a tabloid last week, in which she proudly defended her choice of life style by claiming she needed to 'feed her family.'

The welfare system in UK allows everyone to 'feed their family.' So if this woman becae a victim of the sick out doing his killings at the moment, who would be to blame? The sicko for practising his chosen past time or the mother putting herself at risk NEEDLESSLY.

That story struck me as contemptible, she took her shilling from the tabloids willingly and puts her questionable reasons as cause enough to possibly render her kids motherless.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 11:10 AM

What hideous patterns we humans get ourselves trapped into! According to the more 'serious' papers (my only source of information, God help me!)there is every form of aberration involved in this story:

-Child abuse (previous research had shown that many 'sex workers' had suffered some sort of abuse as children).

-Drug abuse and dependency.

-Prostitution.

-Male clients of prostitutes, who have no respect for themselves or the women they buy sex from.

-A police force and law enforcement agencies who seem completely unable to either deal with the drug problem or to protect the prostitutes from casual day-to-day violence (although they probably regularly hassle them - which does nothing to resolve the situation).

And into this well understood but completely unresolved mess comes some monster from the extreme tails of the 'bell curve' who manages to pick off far too many victims before he's finally caught.
And the only ones to benefit from this horror are a prurient and gloating media. Oh yes, and the 'holier-than-thou' crowd who delight in telling us that 'prostitutes-are-human-too-you-know' (and before one of you starts on me, yes, I know they are and they all deserve a full and happy life free from the threat of violence or murder).
It seems to be that several people have to die before the supine and complacent authorities in this country stir into action - then they rush around like 'blue-arsed flies'.
I suppose that once the present furore has died down it will be back to 'business-as-usual' until the next monster rises from the blackest depths of the human psyche.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 07:53 AM

Here in Scotland

a paper called the Sunday mail, reports as a small headline this terrible thing, but the most important headline for them is the Leona won x factor.

So XFactor is more imortant than these murders.

tom

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Fiolar
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 08:29 AM

The situation only gets worse. It has now been revealed that one of the murdered girls was three months pregnant.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Flash Company
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 11:17 AM

I know it aint a song thread, but if I was still singing I think I would work this up with suitable reference to Mary Magdalene:-

She was some mother's darling,
She was somebody's child,
Loving and gentle, before she went wild,
Somebody rocked her, their little darling to sleep,
But we left her to die, like a tramp on the street.

With due acknowlegement to whoever wrote it (Roy Acuff?)

FC

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Fiolar
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 09:15 AM

Ipswich is no longer the lovely country town which it was when I moved there in the 1970s. In addition to the murder of the five girls, a man was stabbed outside a night club in the town and three people injured in a triple shooting. The incidents place on the early hours of December 9th. The stabbed man was taken to hospital, but died later.
I sure hope that they catch the scum who murdered the girls as it is likely that he is glorying in the publicity, but if he is never caught will have the same reputation as Jack.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 10:15 PM

Murder is the new rock n roll.

The Yorkshire Ripper
The Suffolk Strangler
The Black Panther

From now on I wish to be referred to as..........
The Nottinghamshire Bastard

I see myself as the James Blunt of the genre, just murdering the acoustic guitar.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 04:40 PM

Catching this person will be difficult enough as from what I saw on the BBC page, he seems to be forensicly aware.
Glad to see several services in the area now helping these girls in every way they can.
So hard to read family members statements. Many lost their daughters to drugs many years ago. There is sadness out there than few of us can imagine.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 02:13 PM

Respectable citizens, all of them. I'd b e astonuished if the same isn't true of this one - and I hope we find out before long, because that'll mean he's been caught.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 02:11 PM

Don't be too hasty to condemn the officially recognised mentally ill. The last 4 horrific murderers that spring to my mind - Sutcliffe, Neilson, West and the Soham one all held down jobs and had 'normal' lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 01:56 PM

Mr Red.... To an addict, death holds no horrors.
Its is knowing that the next fix is not on the table that scares the shit out of them.

As far as female prostitutes are concerned, many have a child or children and are afraid that these children will be removed from them if they admit to addiction.

In most cases it is addiction to drugs that causes young girls to endanger themselves on the streets, and it is a disgrace that no government has made any real attempt to address the problems.

This sad story of some psychotic killer, probably "receiving care in the community"....which really means fuck all supervision with medication or the progress of their illness, is typical of governments attitude to drug abuse and mental health in general.

In our area we now have children of twelve and thirteen couriering drugs and selling themselves to feed their parents addiction.

Sometimes I despair of the human race...In reality we care about nothing but what affects us personally.
Thatcher and Blair have done a good job in turning thinking caring people into mindless morons.....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Flash Company
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 10:41 AM

Yes, as of this morning he has become 'The Suffolk Strangler'.
Doesn't really matter what you call the murdering bastard, he's still out there doing it!
His 'modus operandi' has now been linked to at least four other murders in the East Anglian area over a period of about fourteen years. The papers are, I think, perhaps being a little too free with detail, watch out for copy-cats!

FC

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 05:51 AM

Thee is no particular reason to believe that this killer is specifically targetting women. It is very probable that he is targetting humans in general, and that women have been the easiest to attack up till now.

Wolfgang (paraphrasing McGrath)

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 05:49 AM

The London Evening Standard has started referring to the killer as 'the Suffolk strangler' which will most likely catch on with the other papers (or the tabloids at least) ere long.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 05:29 AM

sutcliff was called the Yorkshire Ripper and it seems to now be the generic name for serial killers of women. The label was applied before details of the killings were known

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 04:07 AM

It's mainly because the British gutter press are only out to sell papers and too lazy to look for a more suitable title.
Their main reason is I believe the fact that it is prostitutes who are the victims, and the same was true of Jack the Ripper, but I don't know how he despatched his victims.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST,Swedish-ripperist
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 12:59 AM

I know this might seem unsensative and uncaring but, as far as I understand the Ipswitch killer has an M.O of strangulation and why in that case call him the ipswitch "ripper"?? could anyone elaborate please.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST,Adam H
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 07:17 PM

I have just read the book based on actual facts and accounts of the Yorkshire ripper, can the police get it so wrong again? Only this time there are no known victims who survived, or am I wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 07:12 PM

Thee is no particular reason to believe that this killer is specifically targetting prostitutes. It is very probable that he is targetting women in general, and that prostitutes have been the easiest to attack up till now.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 06:32 PM

No - this person put them at risk. If they are feeding a drug habit it is probable that it is another criminal who got them started on that.

Sometimes there are situations where there appear to be no other avenues.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 03:42 PM

The sadness is that it can so easily be a crazed individual and without recourse to prostitutes he may just pick on any woman - it happened with the Yorkshire Ripper.

Applying logic to the thinking of these kind of people is never going to give quick answers - they don't run to the norms we run to.

As for the girls - my heart may go out to the families but it has to be remembered the women did put themselves at risk. And usually to feed a drug habit. There are other avenues and difficult though they may be for them - how difficult is the violence of death?

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 03:06 PM

McGrath is a bit quick to judge right now.
He had a dig at me above.

"A dig"? I expressed agreement with something you had written.

This thread is no place for a personal squabble
Exactly so, Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 10:17 AM

McGrath is a bit quick to judge right now.
He had a dig at me above.
All I did was question Sweeney's dodgy memory.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST,blowz at work
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 09:13 AM

McGrath - the first reference to the Whitechapel Murders was made by guest - in a rather sweeping statement, suggesting that there was proof as to whom the murderer was. I placed the link to the casebook site, suggesting that it was a place for lengthy, intelligent discussion on the subject. I made an error in doing the link and so re-posted it correctly, however, it also struck me that the first comment was from somebody who was clearly not very well informed on the subject, but was interested in it and could, perhaps, therefore be described as an 'enthusiast'. Not the perfect choice of words, perhaps, but not a million miles away from a basically appropriate way to describe someone who has several books on any given subject on their shelves (or has borrowed said books from a library or a friend). As the original Guest said that 'many case studies have proved this', it would suggest they have done quite a bit of reading on the subject - of what, exactly, to have come to this conclusion, I am not sure, but that isn't the point.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 08:49 AM

Interested in, obsessed with, fascinated by, perhaps. But "enthusiasm"...

"Rapturous intensity of feeling on behalf of a person, cause etc, passionate eagerness in any pursuit" - that dictionary definition matches what I'd take as the current meaning.

And I'm not just being pedantic - the impression that comes across, in relation to these murders, is that the attitude towards them is not that far removed from the sense in that dictionary definition. And that is what my "Good grief" meant there.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 08:31 AM

Kevin - unfortunately the Whitechapel Murders have become something that some people are enthusiastic about. Probably because they were never solved and were played up by the press of the day. Anyawy, there are gided tours of the area nowadays in addition to the regular rehashes by the press and the books and the films.......