BS: Racism in the UK media

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 01:08 PM

I agree with your straight and to the point posts Michael.

That is exactly the point I have been trying to get across for years, the destructive power of "liberal" ideology.

Soon we will have Fascism.....and it will be blamed on the conservatives. The enemy of freedom is now the soft, wooly, media influenced centre,

Richard, Jim and their ilk are the "silencers", they are fond of saying "when good men say nothing".....yet hate to see their own ideology criticised.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 12:16 PM

It was of great interest to me first dozen times, Jim; tho I only agreed up to a point: I could see what might have given you the impression, tho I didn't share it --

for reasons partly subsumed under --

Now, how about the rest of my last post, eh?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 12:08 PM

"Yes, we have all got that point, Jim. Did you know you had mentioned it once or twice [or 50 times] before?"
Yes Mike; I've mentioned it each time Keith indulges in one of his racist rants because I think it necessary to understand where he's coming from.
Obviously of no interest to you - birds of a feather no doubt.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 11:28 AM

And I would add that SFAICS any hypocrisy in the matter lies with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 11:26 AM

Yes, we have all got that point, Jim. Did you know you had mentioned it once or twice [or 50 times] before?

Now what have you [or Richard] to say about my point that it is constantly reiterated reactions & opinions like yours which have resulted in the recent finding of a commission of enquiry that S Yorks police disgracefully withheld the protection of the Law from many young citizens who were manifestly in need of it, because they feared the reactions and influence of people with opinions and kneejerk reactions like your inevitable ones?

I notice that you and Richard are resolutely avoiding responding to this direct challenge.

~M~

Sorry if you think I am being pompous. One way to counteract or obviate my pomposity might be an honest reply.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 11:04 AM

"No I have not."
Yes you have. - " I DO NOW " BELIEVE THAT ALL MALE PAKISTANI MUSLIMS HAVE A CULTURALLY IMPLANTED TENDENCY"
"That suggestion was made by eminent anti-racist people,"
No it wasn't - you have consistently failed to produce one single quoted example of anybody making such a statement, which means yu have lied and you haven't the bottle to stand up for your own convictions.
Most of what Mike says I find somewhat pompous and hypocritical (would love to see another version of his "clumsy form of words), but I certainly agree with him on one thing - these circular arguments are pompous - you have put your racist agenda up for all too see and despite lying attempts to blame somebody else (as if anybody else saying the same thing made the slightest difference to your being a racist) you are what you appear to be
I'll leave it there until the next round of your racist crusade.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 08:50 AM

Name names, Richard. Include me if you like, but you will be wrong.

Otherwise withdraw that allegation.

I stick to my accusation that it is those who follow your instinctual thought & behaviour patterns who are responsible for the lamentable inactivity of S Yorkshire police and other agencies in preventing that organised and disgraceful abuse of many helpless young women who looked to them for protection, as described in detail in the recent official report. May I have an better answer to this direct accusation than "No Michael", please?

That is the point.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 08:26 AM

No Michael - some here repeatedly post posts to denigrate immigrants, non-white people, and non-christian people. That is the point.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 07:38 AM

I hate them too. I do not defend them.

Identifying them, however, seems to me to be the problem to which you and Jim are subject. Any sort of criticism, in any context, of any member of any other ethnicity [with the exception for some reason of Irish Roman Catholics], brings into operation some sort of built-in instamatic electronic racism-spotter, to which your knees respond by jerking without any sort of intervening cranial activity supervening.

The fact is that there is a certain, small but prominent, number of young men of a particular ethnicity who are over-represented, as admitted by leading members of their own community as well as by anybody else, in the highly organised abuse of young women in certain areas. A fear of inducing the above-mentioned reactions in bien-pensants but misguided persons like you & Jim [see para 1] has resulted in the failure of the protection of the Law having been activated to assist these unfortunate young women, and in the young men named having been enabled to avoid the consequences of their activities.

It is the likes of you & Jim, and no-one else, who are to blame for this unfortunate situation. I hope you are proud of yourselves.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 06:13 AM

I admit I hate racists. Why do you defend them?

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 05:46 AM

Seems to me, Richard, that the determination of you and some others to identify racism or prejudice, on the flimsiest of instinctual feeling and where no such has been expressed, is far more 'agenda-driven' than anything that 'seems' to you might 'resemble'.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 05:26 AM

I have checked Richard.
I have never instigated any such.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 05:01 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 04:50 AM

It does however seem to me that the consistency with which Keith draws attention to things that might be thought to be to the discredit of immigrants, non-white people, and non-christian people does resemble the adherence to an agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 04:40 AM

I've been in clubs like that. there's a certain inevitability as the tables go over, that can be disturbing....

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 04:39 AM

Wise words MGM.

Keith, sticks and stones....

its not nice calling Keith a racist repeatedly, Jim. You've said what you think. He's said why he thinks your wrong.

You both think racism is a bad thing. That parameters of what constitutes racism seems to be the point at issue.

Why can't you leave it that you disagree on that point?

Its not nice seeing two old folkies going at it like this. Its almost as though, its the end of the night at the folk club, and the two oldest residents start attacking each other with broken bottles.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 03:17 AM

It is asking much that I should allow malicious, vindictive and dishonest accusations against me by name to go unchallenged.

I have never instigated such exchanges, and I do undertake never to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Sep 12 - 03:13 AM

'Even your fairy godmother seems to have given up on you.'
.,,.
IIRC you mean me by this facetious locution, Jim. I have not 'given up' on Keith. simply got fed up with going over all the same ground not once but again and again and again...

I still think K is mainly right & you mainly wrong, for reasons iterated often enough. He continues to state the case. You continue to deny it by falling back on the ancient history of a clumsy form of words he employed, literally years ago; and to bury your grotesquely idiotically fatuously PC antiracist-to-the-point-of-wilful-blindness-to-reality head in the sand.

That,as you well know, is my opinion and my position. If I have 'given up' on anything, it is simply the ad nauseam reiteration of it.

I can't think why you both don't shut up about it too. We all know where you both stand; we have all heard it all often enough, thank you both; you are not ever going to alter one another's minds. Why can't you both just let it rest, for crying out loud!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 04:21 PM

You have suggested that male Pakistanis are culturally inclined to procuring underage girls for sex.
No I have not.
That suggestion was made by eminent anti-racist people, with far more knowledge of Pakistanis than any of us, and mostly actually Pakistanis themslves.
Of course I believe them.
Why don't you?

It doesn't matter whether they succumb or not,
Of course it does.
It does not matter what tendencies someone has.
It only matters if they succumb and actually do a bad thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 03:57 PM

Keith:

Nobody anywhere has even hinted that you suggested that "Muslims are all evil, oppressive, chauvinist, paedophile rapists, made so by their cultural upbringing."
You have suggested that male Pakistanis are culturally inclined to procuring underage girls for sex. THAT IS A RACIST STATEMENT
"but only because of the testimony of all those knowledgeable people, and always acknowledging that only a tiny minority succumb"
You have consistently lied about saying this:
It doesn't matter whether the succumb or not, they would be a threat to any society were it in any way true.
You have also consistently claimed that you believe this is because of the testimony of all those knowledgeable people
THAT IS ALSO A LIE - NOBODY PUBLIC FIGURE HAS EVER SAID SUCH A THING. HAD THEY DONE SO THEY WOULD NOT ONLY HAVE BEEN DISMISSED FROM OFFICE AND POSSIBLY BE FACING PROSECUTION.
IF YOU BELIEVE IT TO BE TRUE - PRODUCE YOUR EVIDENCE - WHO SAID IT AND WHAT DID THEY SAY
EVEN IF THEY HAD DONE SO IT WOULD STILL BE YOUR RACIST STATEMENT - YOU PUT IT FORWARD AS YOUR BELIEF
You are on your own here (I don't count Ake the phobe). Even your fairy godmother seems to have given up on you.
Take your dishonesty and distortion elsewhere
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 03:09 PM

Jim, you only quoted the second sentence of my post.
Here it is with the first sentence in place.

Don, no one on this thread has claimed any of those things (Muslims are all evil, oppressive, chauvinist, paedophile rapists, made so by their cultural upbringing.)

Don I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency"

but only because of the testimony of all those knowledgeable people, and always acknowledging that only a tiny minority succumb.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 08:24 AM

That was the theory of others about why some BPs do it.
I was prepared to believe it, but I do not care why they do it.
Just that it should stop.

The actual abuse of the young girls, I have always said only a tiny minority are involved.
To say or imply otherwise is a lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 08:16 AM

"which is only opinion, and not even mine."
Don I DO NOW " BELIEVE THAT ALL MALE PAKISTANI MUSLIMS HAVE A CULTURALLY IMPLANTED TENDENCY" but only because of the testimony of all those knowledgeable people, and always acknowledging that only a tiny minority succumb.
Lying to the last
Now sod off and stop wasting my time
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 07:27 AM

Jim, that phrase was in a discussion about the cause of the behaviour, which is only opinion, and not even mine.
IN THE SAME SENTENCE, I state that only a tiny minority succumb and exhibit the actual behaviour.

I have always said that only a tiny minority are involved in this criminal behaviour.
To say otherwise is a lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 07:16 AM

"I did at the time, admittedly."
PPS thanks for confirming that Keith actually said what he is claiming not to have said BTW
"Yes Jim, put up any quote of mine, but in full"
Before I do, are you really claiming that you never made the ""all male Pakistanis have a cultural implant" statement?
Not interested whether they succumb to that implant - the implication that they have it makes them a threat to any society they become attached to.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 07:16 AM

Well ~~ I hesitated to get involved again, and will withdraw because I am frankly fed up with all this ill-tempered tail-chasing -

leaving you, Jim, with just the reminder that I don't drink whisky-&-soda or any other alcoholic bevvy

which I mention because I am sure I have told you so before, and in this, as in all else, the watchword must as ever be accuracy matters.

Tara

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 07:09 AM

Jim, the charge against Yorks. Police is a failure to protect vulnerable children from these gangs.
That accusation was made in Monday's Times.
It was said that the gangs are overwhelmingly of BPs, and it was suggested that ethnic sensitivity was the reason they were not stopped.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 07:07 AM

Cross posted - he has never withdrawn his obscene suggestion - he has either denied having made it (see above) or claimed that he only holds that veiw because "experts" have made the same statement.
The fact that he has never been able to produce one single statement which implicated all male Pakistanis make his claim suspect, to say the least.
You really should be ashamed of yourself for getting involved in this garbage
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 07:04 AM

Yes Jim, put up any quote of mine, but in full.
I have always said that only a tiny minority of that community are involved in this behaviour.
To say otherwise is a lie.

Richard, it was you who instigated this discussion about Northern child grooming and trafficking.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 06:58 AM

"Chief Constable of S Yorks having "
Just re-read the article in case I'd missed something - I hadn't.
Nowhere does it suggest a significant number of the Pakistani (certainly not an entire gender) community being involved, nor does it attempt to make any cultural link and the crimes.
It is in fact a criticism of one of our British bobbies for not carrying out his duties, and thus being implicated in the abuse of underage girls by negligence - a suggestion that would have left both you and Keith spluttering into their whisky and sodas, were it made on another topic.
Pip-pip
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 06:50 AM

I did at the time, admittedly. But it is not the point he is making here, Jim; to which you can only ever respond by digging out that piece of history which he has since withdrawn and explained ~~ (but I honestly haven't the energy to dig that out).

My point is, Jim, that when faced with facts which do not suit your notions, you fall back on that bit of ad hominem ancient history against Keith, instead of responding to the points currently being made. Honestly, now: do you not regard S Yorks police failures in these particulars thoroughly reprehensible; or deny tham to have been, at least prima facie [we had better see what the Chief Con says to the Select Committee] caused by the counter-productive fear of appearing racist which paralysed them from taking the necessary action? ~ and which seems to me, I am afraid, not a million miles from your own customary knee-jerk responses as described in my last post,

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 06:38 AM

"I have never suggested such a ludicrous thing, and neither has anybody else."
Would you like me to put up your exact quote again Keith, thus showing you to be a liar as well as a racist - happy to oblige.
"Why go on with Jim yet again, Keith?"
Even you bauked at Keith's "All male Pakistanis" Mike - happy to dig that one out too if needed
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 06:34 AM

There is a small minority of users of this site who repeatedly instigate reference to incidents and circumstances (or alleged such) which are or would be to the discredit of those involved in such incidents and circumstances. That particular minority substantially only does so when those involved are non-white Muslim immigrants to the UK (but also sometimes does so when those involved are Romanies or others with a similar itinerant lifestyle).



Whether or not the reportage of the incidents is accurate, the repeated instigation of such references is a pattern of racist behaviour.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 06:33 AM

Why go on with Jim yet again, Keith? You surely know by now that just the words "Pakistani" or "Muslim" or "Asian" bring a red mist down over his eyes which literally prevents him from seeing what is being said, but causes him to leap back into mode defensive on principle in his well-known "My mind is made up, do not confuse me with facts" stance ~~ the very attitude, tho he will of course fail to recognise it, which has led to the Chief Constable of S Yorks having been summoned before a Parliamentary Committee to explain his force's lamentable failure for all those years to protect all those unhappy young women or prosecute those unspeakable young men [Times lead story this morning].

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 05:43 AM

I have never suggested such a ludicrous thing, and neither has anybody else.
A tiny minority is what I have always said.
Lies and smears are not helpful in such a sensitive issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 05:02 AM

A small minority of British Pakistanis is not the entire male population of British Pakistanis as you have suggested
Your racist rant is just that - a racist rant.
"do you really care more for the sensibilities of a small racial minority"
I in no way equate any racial group with a (stated by the people working with victims) minute group of criminals.
Stop using this forum as a platform for racism - it smears us all with your shit
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 04:40 AM

Jim....do you really care more for the sensibilities of a small racial minority, than the damage being done to our young children.

The crime is no more paedophilia than the "priest abuse" case was, it is simply sexual abuse of minors,(in this case heterosexual abuse rather than largely homosexual abuse as in the priests case),"...of young people under the age of consent. If I remember correctly, you were incensed by the "priest abuse"...why the difference this time? The perpetrators must be held to account and an inquiry instituted to determine why there is such an over representation of British Pakistanis.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 03:57 AM

Even those involved in assisting the victims of these crimes have warned that "It is highly misleading to categorise these sexual abusers as "Asians" or "Muslims". Not only are the men wholly unrepresentative both of British Asians and of British Muslims"....,

Why stop the quote there Jim? It continues.
There is not an issue with "Asians" or "Muslims" but, for whatever reason, there is a problem with a small minority of British Pakistanis.

Pretending that there is not, and allowing it to continue (which is the charge against Yorkshire Police) is more dangerous to community relations than being honest about it.
It is also a betrayal of the hundreds (thousands?) of raped children.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Sep 12 - 03:31 AM

"I am truly amazed that the apologists are still here."
There is not a single scrap of solid information linking the crime of procuring young women for underage sex with any particular race, culture or religion, yet once again the usual couple of suspects attempt to turn yet another thread into an attack on an ethnic minority.
Even those involved in assisting the victims of these crimes have warned that "It is highly misleading to categorise these sexual abusers as "Asians" or "Muslims". Not only are the men wholly unrepresentative both of British Asians and of British Muslims"...., yet a handful of you persist in attempting to show that these crimes are the result of a particular culture which has implanted a tendency to the procurement of young women for sex.
In the past you have been the first to scream "thread drift" in order to get yourselves out of holes of your own digging, yet here you are using a discussion on racism in the UK media to once again mount an attack on a culural group in Britain which is recognised as being law-abiding, industrious and valuable contributors to British society.
British Pakistani children are lagely recognised as being among the highest achievers in education, but it they who suffer as a result of racist slurs such as these.
The last time a thread on this forum was hi-jacked by individuals peddling the BNP line, the end result was the longest and most disgusting outpourings of race hatred against a single ethnic community. The subject then was prejudice against Muslims and it managed to produce outstanding examples of just that - prejudice against Muslims in the shape of British Pakistanis.
Isn't it time that the administrators took steps to prevent these subjects from being converted into soapboxes for bigots?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 02:07 PM

I am truly amazed that the apologists are still here.

We must never question minorities, no matter how evil or destructive their behaviour.

Some of you need to start asking yourselves some serious questions regarding your political outlook...and your moral compass.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 11:45 AM

But I did not claim that Jim, as I keep telling you.
I only claimed that BPs were over-represented in this crime, which you kept denying.
Do you still?

Added to those five, we now have the Labour MP for Rotherham, Denis MacShane.
He said about it, "The culture of waiting to be married with someone from overseas instead of normal healthy boy-girl relationships, including responsible caring sexual relationships at the right time and age, leaves some Asian men confused as they see the rampant sexual availability promoted by the media."

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 10:54 AM

"A small minority, as I always said."
You have claimed that the entire male population of Pakistanis are culturally implanted towards underage sex, therefore are not to be trusted - hardly a few I think
You might take this opportunity to show us who else owes this view - Cryer, Straw.....
Don't think so.
Whatever their conclusions, they are personally held ones with no researched facts and figures to back thm up
How small a number are involed in this crime is indicated in the leader.
"Andrew Norfolk, our correspondent, has seen more than 200 files covering more than a decade"....
"More than 50 children in Rotherham were allegedly abused by three men from a single family"
If this pattern were to be repeated.
For someone who spends so much time claiming that there is not much racism in Britain you certainly put a lot of effort into showing us that it is alive and well and living in Hertford - on third of the postings to this thread are yours to date.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 10:33 AM

It is described as a problem specifically of the British Pakistani community.
A small minority, as I always said.
There is no explanation offered for why it is.
Would you like to know what explanation was offered by Ann Cryer, Jack Straw, Mohammed Shafiq, Jasmin Allibhai-Brown and Lord Ahmed?

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 10:27 AM

Whoops - red bits didn't come out - read from "It is highly misleading to "fair game" for sexual abuse
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 10:25 AM

Much more of what The Times had to say about what is happening can be seen from the leader in yesterday's edition.
Please note the bits in red - no "all male Pakistanis@, no "Cultural implants, no attempts to make this a race issue.
Jim Carroll

CRIMES OF SILENCE
A scandal of sexual exploitation of children exposes official failings and neglect

Protecting children from adults who intend them harm is as fundamental an obligation as any society can have. The Times reveals today a longstanding and systematic failure on the part of police and social services in South Yorkshire. Organised gangs of men preyed for years on young, teenage girls, grooming them and trafficking them for sex in cities across England.
An inescapable feature of these crimes concerns the national origins of the perpetrators and the ethnicity of the victims. Most of the abusers are men from a sub-section of British Pakistani society. Their victims are, predominantly, white girls; almost none is of Asian origin. Handled insensitively, this pattern might have inflamed ten¬sion and given sustenance to political extremists. Handled unseriously, it has had the same effect.
Andrew Norfolk, our correspondent, has seen more than 200 files covering more than a decade. They comprise correspondence from the police and social services, intelligence reports and case files. They detail a pattern of exploitation that has gone largely unpublicised and unpunished.
The authorities have evidence of the extent of sexual exploitation, including the names of hun¬dreds of victims and perpetrators. More than 50 children in Rotherham were allegedly abused by three men from a single family; many of the victims had been made pregnant. A confidential report from the South Yorkshire Police reveals that, as of late 2010, as many as 300 children in the county may still have been suffering sustained grooming and abuse.
The nature but nothing like the scale of this social evil was exposed by a case that led to the conviction of nine men in May. They had run a sex-grooming network in Rochdale. Among the victims were children in care. All but one of the criminals were of Pakistani origin. The case ex¬posed failings of organisation and imagination by the police. But it was an unusual case. The offenders were mainly older men and first-generation immigrants. The initial groomers and abusers in South Yorkshire are in the main British-born and with longer family ties to this country.
It is highly misleading to categorise these sexual abusers as "Asians" or "Muslims". Not only are the men wholly unrepresentative both of British Asians and of British Muslims, but they include not a single group case involving, for example, Hindus, Sikhs or Muslims of Indian origin. There is, however, a problem rightly identified after the Rochdale case by Baroness Warsi, the former Conservative Party chairman and a child of Pakistani immigrants. There is a minority of Pakistani men who regard white girls as "fair game" for sexual abuse.
These offences need to be countered with vigorous law enforcement and stiff exemplary sen¬tences for the guilty, in contrast to the prevailing culture of official paralysis. The reasons for such failings doubtless include a well-intentioned but in this case misguided concern not to inflame tensions. But the fundamental issue here is not about communal relations: it is about justice.
Children have been failed by the authorities. Police and Rotherham Council preferred to make implicit judgments of young girls, as if they had invited their own abuse, rather than question the perpetrators. Terrible crimes have gone unpunished; and the victims bear wounds of neglect as well as of mistreatment.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 10:14 AM

Much of the Times report can be seen here.
http://biased-bbc.com/2012/09/24/hullo-hullo-hullo-whats-not-going-on-here-then/

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 07:27 AM

Much of this reminds me of the campaign to free George Davis in 1975. I recall my day at Lords was ruined.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 07:10 AM

ITV news.
A dossier of internal police, social services and intelligence reports alleges agencies in South Yorkshire were aware vulnerable girls were being abused, but a catalogue of suspected crimes were not prosecuted.

In one case, a white girl who was sexually abused by an Asian gang from the age of 12 was offered lessons in Urdu and Punjabi by her local council after her ordeal, to "try to engage her in education".

The papers revealed fifty-four children from Rotherham were linked to sexual exploitation by three brothers from a British Pakistani family.

An intelligence report for police identified 61 girls who were linked to sexual exploitation by three brothers from another British Pakistani family. It named 41 of the brothers' associates, who allegedly used girls for sex.

They also document an incident when neighbours heard screaming, and a 13-year-old girl was found at 3am in a house with a large group of men who had given her vodka. Police arrested the child for being drunk and disorderly but did not question the men.

The report, seen by The Times, states that such groups are believed to have trafficked victims to other cities and towns, including Bristol, Manchester, Birmingham, Bradford and Dover.

Another confidential 2010 report, for the Rotherham Safeguarding Children Board, warns against drawing too much attention to the ethnic origin of the alleged abusers.

http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2012-09-24/a-decades-worth-of-sexual-exploitation-ignored-in-south-yorkshire/

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 06:46 AM

The Times

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/

Keeping quiet about this is as sensible as keeping quiet about the KuKlux Klan lynching people. It doesn't reflect well on our country that we are not having this debate about about why there are sections of of the community that seem to think we are racially inferior and our children are legitimate targets.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in the UK media
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Sep 12 - 03:36 AM

Hidden away on BBC site today.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-19701760