BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 04:56 PM

Does there remain a point to this thread?

Just wondering?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 04:45 PM

So you are a troll, concerened. I'm glad, in a way, because I'd thought you were a crackhead, and that turns out so badly.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 02:12 PM

"everyone know but you?"pretty careless for someone as preciseabout other people use of grammer wouldnt you say? I am not that much intrested in your claims to be a sailor

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 07:19 AM

Please keep in mind that there are a limited number of characters available in an >>opening post.<<

Sorry. should have been >>thread title.<<

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 07:16 AM

"Btw we still havent found out if you have any claim to be a sailor "

I'm pretty sure that everyone know but you and I can't think of any reason to repeat it for someone who has been as rude as you.

I see your spelling is getting better. What was the trap. Write like a three year old so that I would say you write like a three year old?

Some trap! Your mother must be proud.

Here is another trick you can try. Go on off to school se we can say you gave gone to school.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 06:28 AM

Ho! Ho! Ho! fantastic.. I just set the trap and Hurricane jack the windy sailorman walks right into it..Again!!!. Bloody priceless!! Was you bullied at school salty sam?

Do try and come up with something original or I am going.

Btw we still havent found out if you have any claim to be a sailor

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 12:54 AM

Jack, Popeye's buddy: "Please keep in mind that there are a limited number of characters available in an opening post."

....but it appears that there is unlimited number of characters, yelling at me random, in my head, all making their case!
You guys don't make sense....according to you, everything is just random...random beginnings, random end, random in between.....but then you bitch, scream and moan about injustices!!!!????
What??? Did you forget that you just argued in favor of 'random'...what so unjust about that????????? How can anyone be guilty of an injustice??? How can anyone complain about an injustice done to them??? Isn't it all 'random'?
Dog eat dog more your style???....as long as in is politically correct?????...or do they just have to drool that way??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 09:37 PM

" The title of the thread is ambiguous at best but if it opens the conversation for dialogue"

It is explained well enough in the opening post. Please keep in mind that there are a limited number of characters available in an opening post.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 09:17 PM

"Well, Dawkins, of course, says he's not an atheist because he can't be 100% sure that there isn't a God. But then he says that he can't be 100% sure there isn't a fridge orbiting Jupiter!"

It's usually referred to as a teapot. There is no one alive who can be sure that there's no Santa Claus. But, the logical fallacy is that you can't prove a negative.

The term "atheist" has to continually be redefined. Maybe the term "Freethinker" or "Non-believer" should be used in its stead.

Having read this thread, I have my own opinion and conclusions about what it means.
I see this as an attack upon atheists in an attempt to discredit them. Dawkins is a target because he provokes thought and rubs some religious people the wrong way.

I have great respect for sensible ideas and useful discussion. The title of the thread is ambiguous at best but if it opens the conversation for dialogue, then I can respect that.

I don't respect fist pounding on the table laced with anger and shutting down the conversation with self-righteous proclamations and accusations.

Personally, I see no reason to attack religious views as long as they don't infringe on the right for me to hold mine. Again, no bar fights for me. I'll stick to the facts and dialogue.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 06:18 PM

"Again sailor you have not failed us with your rapier like wit and cutting edge dialogue.... but listen barnacle brain..try and be a little more original eh? You are getting a tad tediouse.Or here is a good idea, try and be a little amusing?It aint cool to carry on like the way what you do. "

Make that writes like four year old.

"..and you aint answered the question..are you a real sailor?..I dont think you are. "

Make that three. :-D

How is that for amusing sunshine?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 05:24 PM

An interesting read on this site:

""In order to carry on a discussion about the relationship between science and religion, there needs to be a grasp on how the fields differ.....


Conflicts Between Science and Religion

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 05:10 PM

........and you aint answered the question..are you a real sailor?..I dont think you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 04:57 PM

Again sailor you have not failed us with your rapier like wit and cutting edge dialogue.... but listen barnacle brain..try and be a little more original eh? You are getting a tad tediouse.Or here is a good idea, try and be a little amusing?It aint cool to carry on like the way what you do.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 04:27 PM

Yeah GfS have the person who writes like a 5 year old get out the crayons for you. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 04:23 PM

No Guest from sanitry..you do not learn forgivenes from anywere/ one/ or magical big bangs it comes from you.Is that to simple for you? or do we have to get the crayons and the flip charts out?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 01:03 PM

Bring it on!!! This has started to get really good..all we need forittoget rallyintresting for leveller to find another brain cell

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 12:37 PM

I got it from the big bang Goofus. Didn't you?

The evidence to date is with the big bang, unless and until something else explains the evidence. Hence forgiveness cane from the big bang.

Where do you think it came from Goofus? For Clapton's sake, it wasn't the little baby Jesus by any chance?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 12:15 PM

Concerned: "To err is human to forgive sublime."

Musket, Sans Brain: "Even Goofus is in on the joke. .."

Concerned: "To err is human to forgive sublime."


To err is human...to blame it on someone else is even more human!

Oh, by the way 'concerned' did you learn about 'forgiveness' from...let me see....umm.....a spontaneous big bang from nowhere??

Think about it...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 09:37 AM

Of course concerned was taking the piss out of all who post on the BS threads. You are the one who hasn't worked it out yet my nautical fifth mate.

Even Goofus is in on the joke. ..

Dozy bugger.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 08:56 AM

"heads so far up their asses they cannott see the woods for trees."
.,,.

Great image, Mr Concerened. Who are these people with woods full of trees up their posterior orifices, I wonder?

☺〠☺~M~☺〠☺

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 07 Apr 13 - 08:10 AM

Thank you Mr.Sailor.Have you ever been to sea by the way?.Your post is up to your usual standard of crassnes and bullshit by the way...but hey! I'm good, i'm big, I can forgive that.

To err is human to forgive sublime.

But you have got it wrong.. I am not mocking the whole Mudcat as you suggest; just people like you and people like you, who pretend to be sooooooooooo liberal and open minded, but in reallity have got their heads so far up their asses they cannott see the woods for trees.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 01:25 PM

Well, Dawkins, of course, says he's not an atheist because he can't be 100% sure that there isn't a God.
But then he says that he can't be 100% sure there isn't a fridge orbiting Jupiter!

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 01:11 PM

"They appear to have you weighed up Jack. "

"A sense of hunour is right dear..you need to issue some of the clowns on this site some building blocks and crayons by the state of whatpassesfor therir inteligence."

You do realize that "concerned" was mocking the whole Mudcat, which presumably would include you??

Not too strong on the comprehension skills are you?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 01:05 PM

Well "concerned", what appears to be lacking in you is the basic respect for others that even the feeblest attempt at spelling and grammar would display.

IMHO Even "simple folk" can use dictionary.com and try to put a space after their sentences. It is rude folk who don't. It is confusing and leads to misunderstanding.

such as

Who isn't propanda?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,concerend
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 12:44 PM

Thank you...yes we have..no one likes a smart ass.you see it is not enough to spout a lot of self opiniated stuff.What is clearly missing from the jts and his smug mates is a little humanty to his fellow citizens.Untill we start doing this all the rest is propanda

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 12:25 PM

They appear to have you weighed up Jack.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 12:18 PM

Jack the sailor...is that the best you can do?
Like leveller and the rest of so called free thinkers sneering at us simple folk is unnaceptable as it is unthinking and nasty..You lot want to go on a web site for a dose of simple humanity..abd whike you are about it learn some decent msnners

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 11:38 AM

"The question is are atheists really atheist, in other words, are they sincere?"

You know you would probably have a lot less to say if you showed a little basic respect and read the thread.

Below is the original post. I don't see "are they sincere?" posed as a question. The questions that were asked were addressed in the first few posts.

READ THE THREAD!!!
READ THE THREAD!!!
You keep whining about things nobody has said.
READ THE THREAD!!!
READ THE THREAD!!!
You keep whining about things nobody has said.
Show some respect. Read the thread.

>>>Are they just anti-christian? It seems to me that a significant proportion of atheists (speaking only from personal experience rather than having a statistical source) commonly rail against Christianity in general, and against the perceived hypocrisy/ perceived lack of questioning of Christians in particular whilst ignoring dozens of other faiths and beliefs. Yes there may be the odd foray into Islam or Judaism but it seems pretty much every other religion/faith/belief gets off unscathed?

Is this simply because of familiarity with Christianity in the West? Or have the (some would say) un-christian actions and("you are going to hell because you don't believe what I do") stance of much of the organised church and its ministers etc. over the years, brought an anti-christian sentiment to the fore, and almost by default produced "atheists" who in reality have a larger percentage of anti-christian/anti-abrahamic about them rather than purely atheist philosophy/belief? <<<<

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Stringsinger
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 11:19 AM

Don T. I want to echo your sentiments about the right of people to have an opinion without ad hominem brickbats thrown at them.

The question is are atheists really atheist, in other words, are they sincere?
There are some who are and some who are not, just like any other group of people
who purport to have similar views. They are not monolithic.

The question asks another implied question, do atheists really exist or are they some form of aberration? This is a disguised brickbat aimed at non-religious people. Yes, they are real. One might ask the question of any religious order, are Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists really what they purport to be? Are they real?

This is of course ridiculous. Of course they are real as are atheists, non-theists, or the new category, apathists (don't give a damn one way or another) attributed to Frans de Waal.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 10:50 AM

Concerned

Copy and paste the above please. Would you like directions to grammar websites and on-line dictionaries?

You are not related to pete by any chance?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,concerend
Date: 06 Apr 13 - 10:30 AM

A sense of hunour is right dear..you need to issue some of the clowns on this site some building blocks and crayons by the state of whatpassesfor therir inteligence

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 01:18 PM

No it hasn't..we're just shittin' each other, for fun. Have a sense of humor.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 01:05 PM

dear me this thread has gone from the purile to the patronising.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 10:37 AM

Yeah Joe, I dug it..I was just spinning off your post..and speaking of re-redundundundundancyies....maybe you might get some 're-redundundundundancyies' in the KEY department!!!

...either that or in the wife the doctor doctor department!

...but a word in caution....the nurses are usually too young...and then you'd have to do the whole thing over and over again!!


(grinning)
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 10:35 AM

Dawkins says that religion is delusional. So what? There are always those Christian Captain Ahabs that will go after the atheist white whale. That is delusional because in so doing, they bring down their ship.

Instead of being personally victims or feeling persecuted, it would be more instructive for them to analyze why statements like this are being made but it is easier for them to take offense and proclaim how right they are.

As it turns out, non-belief is on the rise, precisely because of the adamant pounding on the table by preachers as they castigate those who disagree with them.

I don't agree with a lot of ideas floating around out there but I don't feel personally attacked or insulted. At times I will evaluate those ideas, accept or reject them based on research, and if I disagree, I don't dislike the person I disagree with on the basis of what they purport to believe.

Regardless of what their stated beliefs are, if I see them being a productive member of society, compassionate, caring and helping those in need, my respect for them goes up.

I disagree with what Martin Luther King has said about religion but I hold him in high esteem for his good works. After all, this is really what counts.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 04:18 AM

rearange this sentance.....sense find lot need you to humour a..then we aremabe gettin somewere..by the by you judgemental losers...I am a woman and dont have clue about mechanical tjhings...not much good at spelling eitjer..but there agai. I dont need them thi gs to see right through your mumbo jumbo semi digested parochial crap.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 03:48 AM

He has the keys locked in him with the engine engine running?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 02:22 AM

GfS - Use [CTRL-F] to find previous mentions of women and internal combustion engine engines, which I find redundundundant....

Although I have to admit that I've spent much of the day wondering how my wife the doctor (chiropractor) locked her keys in the car with the engine running today. I tried to duplicate what she did, and there were all sorts of devices to stop me. I have a brother-in-law who's a PhD doctor who's the same way.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 02:03 AM

Joe Offer: "What's an "internal combustion engine engine," and why don't women understand redundancy?"

...or even re-redunduncy??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 01:47 AM

What's an "internal combustion engine engine," and why don't women understand redundundancy?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 01:40 AM

This was 30 years ago I guess and mocked on SNL a who season was Bobby's dream because of a contract dispute.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 01:28 AM

Oh.....well I don't think I've ever watch an episode of 'Dallas' all the way through....well certainly not more than 5-6 minutes running.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 01:19 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Ewing

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 01:02 AM

Huh?

gfS

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 12:56 AM

It was all Bobby's dream.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 12:52 AM

Amos: "Someday, we might even find out who it is, and likewise who conceived it."

..and when you do, it's like waking up from a bad dream!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Amos
Date: 05 Apr 13 - 12:27 AM

THe thread is not pointless; if it does anything to unmuddy the waters for those who participate in it, it is worthwhile. In matters of the spiritual, there is a huge amount of dirty bathwater; but somewhere lurking in it, there is still a baby.

Worth wading through a lot just to get a glimpse of.

Someday, we might even find out who it is, and likewise who conceived it.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 11:55 PM

What's an engine engine?

GfS GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 05:51 AM

""Why dont you put your time and efforts into trying to alter society.Or better still just keep your psuodo intellectual thoughts to your selves.Or is that to much to ask""

Why don't you, Guest who can't spell "concerned", "pseudo" or "yourselves"?

Or, since you aren't making any sensible input, Why don't you mind your own business?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Atheists really Atheists or......
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 05:31 AM

""I wonder whether this is another example of "the barrier of a common language"? In the UK, in everyday speech, to say someone is deluded does not automatically carry overtones of mental illness, merely that they hold beliefs which cannot be support by evidence, or which fly in the face of evidence.""

I've been called "deluded" for voting differently than other UK members, for supporting the "wrong" Formula One driver and a multitude of other things as well as for believing in a Deity.

I've also been called deluded (much more frequently) by members of evangelising churches, when I explain that neither God nor I need their help to communicate.

What it boils down to is somebody else's opinion, which he is entitled to express, and I am entitled to ignore.

It doesn't offend because it isn't important enough to affect me.

Dawkins too is entitled to his opinion and to the expression of same.

Even as a believer, I have a much greater problem with the aggressively religious.

Don T.