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Annoying Bodhran, what to do?

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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,chrisj
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 07:32 AM

Then again there's always the possibility that the heroic bodhran player drew the short straw and was given the task of 'discouraging' over-enthusiastic acapella singers?


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J at home
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 03:50 AM

Hello Mum!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,Mummy.
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 02:51 AM

Still holding stomach after reading responses, got up especially early to scan screen - don't need breakfast now.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Peg
Date: 16 Jun 01 - 12:20 AM

wow Barry, wish I'd been there for that one!!!!!

Peg

who is bringing her boudhran AND her singing voice to Old Songs


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 10:10 PM

Why the hell does he bring two!
Does this guy have 4 hands?
BURN IT !


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,Sydney
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 09:56 PM

As a singer (unaccompanied) and a bodhran player, I sympathize totally with the predicamant ... and have THOROUGHLY enjoyed some of the "solutions"!!! Rather annoying when one individual seems totally lacking in both manners and sensitivity. Perhaps a LARGE sign posted in advance saying something like "The etiquette police will SHOOT/THROTTLE/SKIN/FLIP THE TIPPER of any git playing a bodhran who does not respect the other players." Gives us all rather a bad name! Hope the situation resolves itself soon, for your sake - he should be spoken to, I feel by the person/people acting in a host capacity. And I'd also get the other musicians onside ... chances are, you're not the only one who has been irritated to distraction! (it's true, you're NOT alone!) Cheers from Canada!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Shields Folk
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 09:53 PM

Give a man a fish and he can feed himself for a day Give him a Bodhran and he can hang around musicians. It's not really me ye nah !


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 09:29 PM

Love it.... bongo-bodhrán...


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Shields Folk
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 09:24 PM

Shit, I think its me your talking about!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 09:19 PM

If a man wants to disable a tank, he will take a bazooka and blow it all to hell. If a woman wants to disable a tank, she will sneak up on it and pour sugar into the fuel tank. Same result, different method. You seem to have solved the problem for all Barry!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 09:11 PM

I sing & play bodhran, sometimes I do both at the same time, it's my choice. I went to a session a while back & a drummer played on every song & tune & when I started to sing he started to play along so I placed my palm over his drum so he couldn't play, until he gave up & stopped. When the song was over he told me he's been playing this session for years & I quickly told him if I wanted a drum played behind me didn't he think I'd play myself, I then told him to get the fu%$#@&k out of my face & let him know I thought he was an unaware, selfish shit who didn't mind ruining a good time for all & said it loud enough for most of the others at the session knew what took place. I think later others also had a talk with himI've never seen him since. Good rhythums to bad rubbish. Barry


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: RangerSteve
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 09:03 PM

101 uses cont'd: upside-down as a shade for a ceiling light or a torch lamp. glue a beany or yarmulke on the inside and wear it as a sun hat. roll some billiard balls around the inside to imitate thunder as a theatrical sound effect.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 07:32 PM

The most memorable term I've heard used to refer to the boghran is "the Irish Chapatti".

"Hran" that's a new one to me. Sounds a bit Star trekky to me, the Hran would be the kind of guys who'd get on the nerves of your average long-suffering Klingon.

Prab to God tis fella doesn't turn up with bongo drums, or you'll be wishing he'd brought the bodhran. Mind, with two bodhrans, maybe he's planning to develop some nightmareish bongo-bodhran...


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J at home
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 07:02 PM

Hiya Micca, you mean that tin pot of a tankard has finally left Sid's place? (The Chapel Haddlesey one, not the Cumbrian one). Thanks for that Micca, I'll get the cider in ready for you!

John


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: sophocleese
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 06:22 PM

I think you did right John if, as it sounds, you asked him politely even if it was in front of others. He was impolitely trampling on your song and your singing its reasonable to ask him to stop. I've told the story before on Mudcat of the time I lost my temper with a man who continually made noisc during songs. I was upset with him and upset with myself and then discovered that most of the people at song circle were delighted that I had done something even if I did it badly. Ask another singer if the bodhran bothers them. Sometimes we don't share our frustrations with others in a similar situation and yet it can be very helpful to discover you're not weird and suffering alone. If you're not alone then walking away leaves the other singers without your support when a few words quietly delivered might be enough to make the evening more enjoyable for all.

Why bring two bodhrans if you can only play one at a time? Alto and soprano? Regular tuning and DADGAG? Is he trying to start a drum circle?


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Micca
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 06:20 PM

John, You are UK??? for a small fee( a coupla fills of the Grail) I will come and step on it........while he is playing.....


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 06:04 PM

Thanks for your understanding Alex.

I like to think I consider the feelings of my fellow men and women. I think most of the 'catters I've met, spoken to via the mudcat etc, are of a similar character. Perhaps that's why we stick together on the mudcat (security in numbers?), but more importantly perhaps that's why most of us so clearly understand what we're all on about when we post. I couldn't believe how many responses I got from my initial post. I posted at 1.55pm (uk), with 15 minutes there were 8 replies. Now, 9 hours later, there are around 60, all from people on a similar wavelength. Wonderful, isn't it? Trouble is, that guy's still got a bodhran.

Cheers,

John


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 05:49 PM

Isn't it funny, (I do it myself) when people are confronted by what seems to be unequivocally a total asshole, they start thinking it's their fault? Second-guessing themselves? Why do we do that, I wonder? Why not just admit that this person was being an asshole?

I'm not attacking you, John, I'm just wondering out loud why you and me and probably everybody else on the 'Cat have these self-doubt moments in the presence of genuine jerks.

There's a PhD thesis in psychology wrapped up here!

Alex


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 05:45 PM

Thanks folks! These postings have cheered me up no end, I really was starting to think it was my fault.

John (back at work for a short time)


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Ditchdweller
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 04:32 PM

There was a man played a bodhran, played a bodhran, played a bodhran, There was a man played a bodhran, and he was an ache in the bum! So we played it with a razor, a razor, a razor, So we played it with a razor, And stopped the ache in the bum!!

Had a similar problem with a local accordian playing landlord. I asked him not to play along with me with a shanty (Donkey Riding) but he ignored me and started throwing me off rythmn!! I asked him to stop mid verse and got bloody well banned from his pub!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 04:28 PM

The Ten Commandments of Playing Bluegrass Music

I.) Ye who makes the pie plate sing, the hubcap moan, ye of many metal finger-picks and a bar of steel, keep thine eye squarely on the fret markers and thine ear at strict attention. Thou art blessed with the opportunity to create great joy, but poor pitch on a Dobro is unclean, as is missing the turnaround. Both are offenses so grievous as to be damnable for seven generations.

II.) Practitioner of the tiny eight-string, know that if thy solos are good, all the better, but that is not why thou art in the band. Focus on timing, for sloppy chopping is unclean and an abomination before the maker, and his wrath shall be loosed, yea unto the seventh generation.

III.) Rattle not your tableware, nor strike it first against thy leg, then thy rib cage, all the while assuming the countenance of the stooge, for it is unclean and an abomination before me. Such apish behavior is damnable for seven generations.

IV.) Nor shall ye rake thine thimble-tipped fingers across the tool of the washerwoman for this is an abomination before me, and is damnable, yea unto the seventh generation of thy seed.

V.) Neither shall ye slaughter the goat and stretch its hide across wooden barrels, then beat upon it with wooden timbers on the two and the four. This is the task of the mandolin, and to usurp it is unclean, and damnable unto the seventh generation.

VI.) When thou drag equine hair across filaments of intestine, thou art slave to pitch, as is thy bastard cousin, the stringed doghouse. Thine scale is small, and the possibility for peril immense. The difficulty is understood by the maker, still, poor pitch on a fiddle is damnable for seven generations, yea verily.

VII.) Banjo player-thou art damned. The five-string tambourine makes a hellish racket that few have been able to tame. May the power of the maker be with thee in thy quest, but five gets you ten that thou art damned.

VIII.) Oh ye of the aforementioned big stringed doghouse. The rest of the guys and gals are probably just glad you showed up. Try to keep the slapping to a minimum, for it is damnable.

IX.) Ye who stand in the center and emit pitched words, know that thou art not a God. Thou art a chooch with a guitar whose vocal folds are of such consistency as to be pleasant to the listener, or perhaps some other alpha characteristics has made thee a de facto leader of misfits. To imagine thyself to be anything more is unclean and an abomination before me, and is damnable, yea unto the seventh generation of thy seed.

X.) All who perpetuate the bluegrass idiom, whether ye drag the bow, grasp the plectrum, thump the doghouse or tickle the five-string tambourine, assume not the countenance of the constipated man, nor display false overbite. Playing bluegrass music is pleasurable, and to feign painful artistic reverie is unclean, and damnable for seven generations, yea verily, so say I.

(From a trumpet player/writer/poet in Dover, NH, named Chris Elliot)


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 03:24 PM

--ladies' fashion hat
--clock face (just add hands and cheap battery-powered mechanism)
--basketball hoop (like bar mitzvah, requires skin removal)
--temporary shelter for mice, voles, etc.
--loving cup for musicians' weddings
--genital hiding device for persons caught without clothing
--palette for oil/acrylic/etc. paint
--trampoline for very small persons/animals
--mixing bowl
--chip-n-dip (just add small bowl for dip)
--wastebasket (great for peanut shells)
--banjo body
--racket in "bodhranball" --new game-- use 2, and 1" superball

Alex


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Micca
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 03:12 PM

101 uses for a Hran,
here are 10....
panning for gold
Longbow target
Riot shield
fancy hub caps ( you could use up 4)...
Temporary umbrella
heat screen while getting things off the Barbecue..
container for gathering berries in
Vomitorium
wash basin
Hoop for the kids to trundle


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J at home
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 03:08 PM

Gnu,

You're quite right, it WAS impolite of me to ask him to stop playing the bodhran in front of others.

The situation at the time was that his bodhran was SO distracting I had actually lost my thread in the song.

I had a choice of:

(A) Stop singing after making a mess of the song.

(B) Politely asking him to stop, apologising for having to ask (in front of the audience, ie: Sorry **, would you mind not playing, it's made me lose track of were I am in my song') then carrying on singing.

I chose (B) because it seemed the right thing to do at that time, and it still seems right now, a week later.

The suggestion that the organiser of the club sorts the problem is a non-starter, when a problem occured at the club a while back his response was to stone wall the situation.

John


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 02:59 PM

RATS !!! I was hoping, even though my comments were, more or less, serious, to get something going. Gervase asked about... 101 uses for a Bodhran?

Hors d'ourves (sp ?) tray. Litter box - I think that was mentioned already. Someone said flying saucer pics - would the be an UFO ? Ugly F***ing Object ? I know... an exercise wheel for large, or a bunch of, mice. Anyone else ?

Really, don't take me too seriously... just caught me off guard, in a bad mood, after a BAAAAAD week.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Justa Picker
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 02:35 PM

Me too.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 02:32 PM

I like the bodhran (well played). I wasn't shitting on it, just giving a tongue-in-cheek suggestion on how to deal with an annoying person who happens to play the bodhran.

Alex


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 02:29 PM

BTW, maybe it's Friday afternoon and the pub's "open" but I only found one derogatory remark re the Hran even remotely original. Kinda like mob mentality... let's all shit on the Hran.

I recall one fellow, a singer/guitarist/mandoleer of note asking me to play at a lively downtown spot with him while I was recovering from a wrist injury. I declined, saying I couldn't do it justice. He replied, "Your only beating a drum." Funny how people crap on the heartbeat of Celtic Trad, even when they're ASKING you to play with them. I liken it to the difference between strumming and playing a guitar.... anyone can strum... even me.

To you crappers... listen to Kevin Conneff, Mance Grady, Colm Murphy, Stephen Hannigan, Gino Lupari, or any of the other Hranners who PLAY the Hran. IF you still hate the Hran, I will politely and graciously bow to your comments. Your choice... if or off.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 02:07 PM

Obviously, this is an isolated incident ( a**hole ?) because Hraners are just like everyone else - people are people and you are bound to find an a**hole in any group, even singers. A short, polite talk with him, aside and privately was your best option. Publically saying what you said was as ill-mannered as he. It embarrassed him and he responded in the a**hole manner that he demonstrated when joining in without being asked.

I have refused to lay down a Hran track with a singer/guitarist on a CD because I thought it detracted from the tune. I have declined invitations to play Hran on tunes in MY OWN KITCHEN becasue I thought it detracted from a particular tune. Not all Hranners are as stunned as this guy, BUT, publically embarrassing him was definitely impolite.

Even though he gave you the gears when you apologized, it may have been the booze talking, as you mentioned, so I suggest another "explanation" when he is sober. If he gives you any grief at that point, put your foot through his Hran and then shove his tipper up his ass. There should be enough other offended people to hold him down for you.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 02:06 PM

Is the pub on the edge of a cliff? I hear bodhrans fly nearly as well as Frisbees.

Alex


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,Karen
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 02:06 PM

I think Clinton's approach is best. Even though you don't want to have a confrontation it IS your music you're defending so go ahead and tell him to please sit this song out.
Two bodhrans...*sigh*...that's so scary it's almost funny really. Perhaps he's on to the idea that someone might "harm" his instrument and that's why he now brings a spare.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Justa Picker
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 01:53 PM

See how it looks on him as a collar.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,Newfie
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 01:48 PM

I bought a Bodhran last St. Patrick's Day, I've never played it in public (It's a decoration on my wall, singing and guitar may be enough) But I can sympathize with both you and your player. I think if you have him to the point where he is not bothering you, you should count that as a blessing and let the other singers fend for themselves. Enjoy the good beer and good company, smile and applaud him when he inhances a performance and ignore him when he doesn't. If he joins in with you again, without invitation, THEN complain to the organizers.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 01:29 PM

I really don't understand the problem with telling to just stop...

"Look, it's -my- turn... -you're- throwing me off, so stop playing please..."

Easy peasy...

If he won't stop, drop kick him...


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 01:09 PM

Get him to join the Mudcat, then, refresh this thread!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 01:08 PM

Just a thought, why not print this off, edit accordingly, ie deleting any reference to yourself, and leave it on the table where he normally sits. I've experienced a similar problem on festival campsite were some thoughtless and or insensitive idiots play their instruments before people have woken. One in particular played bodhran very badly.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 12:56 PM

When he turned up with two, I would have had to use the Joke "Name X was on his way here tonight and stopped to buy a pack of cigarettes. He had just got in the store when he realized that he had left his Bodhran on the pack seat of his car, with the doors unlocked and the window open. He ran back outside but was too late, some bastard had already thrown another in there with it. I confess I am a bodhran player too and an a capella singer. I prefer an off beat bodhran to the as**oles who don't know the tune you are singing and join in anyway on any instrument, (the mandolin player is the one who pisses me off most) hitting all sorts of notes that are not in the song. It really throws me off the notes I am trying to sing that are supposed to be there. Ah I feel better now. Thanks JohnB


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 12:29 PM

It's a horrifying thought that someone could be so unaware (or arrogant) that not only does he play unasked with unaccompanied singers, he also has the cheek to criticise the singer who apologises to him! Geez, John- it's just as well you're a gentle soul... How about designing a 'Government Health Warning' label and attaching it to his bodhran skin when he's at the bar- something like : This bodhran can seriously damage your singing ?

Have a word with the other singers and see how they feel about it. Even if some don't find his playing intrusive, someone has to have a quiet word with him so that he realises he is annoying people. It is not his right to play as and when he wants to, and he should ask each singer if they want him to join in or not. When it's his turn to perform, he can choose whether he wants others to join in with him or not...

Before someone accuses me of being a bodhrán-hater (heaven forfend), I will say that I love a well-played bodhran in a session, but this bloke is giving bodhran players a bad name ! *grin*

Send Ickle Dorrit in!

Noreen


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 12:14 PM

John - how did you keep a straight face when he turned up with two?

Seriously, I think that its always a good thing to encourage and respect people's contributions irrespective of how unformed their talent (hey! how tactful is that!). But its not acceptable for someone to trample over a whole night (even if they're good & perfectly formed talent-wise....).
So whatever his quality and choice of instrument, he should not be joining in uninvited & persistently.
Something needs to be done, for the good of the club, the singers and the individual himself.

Keep us posted....

Kris


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: MMario
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 12:13 PM

insensitive enough to think they should play the drum during an a cappella song, and expect the SINGER to keep time weith the DRUM, instead of the other way round

Peg - it's nice to hear this sentiment from someone. Locally I know one or two people with whom I am willing to sing accompianied without rehearsal - because they are both skilled enough and willing to follow the singer. Many of the musicians around play their particular variation of a song and no other. tempo and key. and ornementation.

For example - I was asked to sing the other night - started - and was brought to an abrupt halt by one of the musicians loudly declaiming - "that's the wrong key" - unfortunetly the key they wanted to play in was incompatible with my range (drat!) so the musicians ended up sitting out - except for the flute player who was able to transpose on the fly and play along with me.

Now I know I tend to drag some songs out - and certainly don't mind a musician giving me a high sign to pick up the pace - but as a singer I resent having (unasked for) accompianment launch into variations that I'm not singing! If I launch into song while a musician is palying - I certainly try to match what they are playing - not sing my own version! if I can't, I shut up.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Jim Cheydi
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 12:13 PM

Borings in stereo? It doesn't bear thinking about. Maybe he's trying to build up a full kit a bit at a time?


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Gervase
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 11:47 AM

Shit - he might not know how to play 'em, but the bastard's found a way to make 'em breed!
This man must be stopped at all costs.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 11:43 AM

One thing I neglected to mention...he brought TWO bodrhans with him last night.

John


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: John J
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 10:59 AM

You're welcome to come over Les, I'll sort the visa entry details for you!

John


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Midchuck
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 10:56 AM

It must be hell to be so untalented that you have to screw up another persons contribution.

Nahhh. It's fun! It's only hell for the other person, and the listeners.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 10:43 AM

The drum should never take center stage. It should be heard, but, it should never take over. It must be hell to be so untalented that you have to screw up another persons contribution.


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: English Jon
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 10:41 AM

Great song Les! that'll knacker him... even if he can find the rhythm he'll never keep it up for 246 verses!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 10:27 AM

Or perhaps I ought to pop over and sing Lord Bateman and see how he gets along with that!


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Peg
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 10:24 AM

as a singer who sings mostly unaccompaniewd, AND a boudhran player, I gotta say, if someone is insensitive enough to think they should play the drum during an a cappella song, and expect the SINGER to keep time weith the DRUM, instead of the other way round, there is no reasoning with them.

I have been to sessiuns where the "leaders" have no compunction with telling boudhran players to just stop or not play. This I think is wrong (unless, as happened one night, the drum is really interfering with a complex or slow song on solo fiddle); the "other" boudhran player at this sessiun told me when I arrived one night the "leader" would probbaly perefr if only one of us drummed during any given song...

If I bring my drum to a sessiun, I tend to sit out a lot of tunes; some just don't need thr drum, and you also gain a little recognition for being perhaps sensitive to the MUSIC instead of just banging away because you CAN. (Most boudhran players do not really bother to learn it properly and many cannot keep a rhythm very effectively).

It is frustrating to me that at sessiuns where no one knows I am a decent singer, and where there is no oppurtunity to sing, others assume the only thing I can do is play the boudrhan, and I am really only a middling drummer (I can keepo a beat though). A GOOD boudhran player who is sensitive to when it is most appropriate to play, is an asset to a sessiun I believe.

Peg


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Subject: RE: Annoying Bodhran, what to do?
From: Charmion
Date: 15 Jun 01 - 10:19 AM

How do you know the bodhran player has arrived at the party? The pounding on the door keeps getting louder and louder and faster and faster!

I've been a singer all my life, and I must say that I resent the intrusions of those who join in songs without refrains without invitation. I know they do it because they love to sing, or because they love the song, or even because they want to sing with me, but the fact is that my turn is my turn, and if I want to share it I will say so, usually by choosing a song with a refrain and inviting the rest of the circle to join in the chorus. Of course, I try (not always successfully) to keep my mouth shut during other peoples' turns, until the chorus comes around.

I play the bodhran -- privately. I will continue to play privately until someone asks me to play publicly. I don't expect that to happen before -- maybe -- 2010.

The invasive bodhran player should be taken aside and instructed on group etiquette, and I agree with those who think that the club organizers should do the dirty work.


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