BS: No poppies for me

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 04:51 AM

"I see no reason to dance to any tune you want to play -"
Dancing to my tune is providing evidence - which you refuse to do, but demand from others - a sign of your meglomanis
The rest of your posting adds yet more lies to your growing list.
Prove them with evidence - silly question - you don't do that sort of thing
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 04:47 AM

It is arguments like those put forward by Teribus that will probably deter me from wearing a poppy for the rest of my life
Teribus is an extreme jingoist - the war he depicts was one of a just war, good leadership and obedient men - Remembrance Sunday is still a watered down version of this.
In fact, WW1 was a war between Empires for control and expansion of their territories - a war for power and profit.
The jingoist claim of a well- conducted war is a lie - it was a war of attrition where the only 'tactic' was to acquire the greatest number of men possible and send them over the top until the other side caved in.
The leaders couldn't even get that right - the military couldn't agree with the Government and constantly fell out, recruitment was put in the hands of Arthur Bottomley, who became a millionaire by his profiteering, military leaders were constantly falling out among themselves and fiascoes like 'the wrong shells' incident and Gallipoli were causing many thousands of avoidable deaths.
Loos was a shambles of misjudgment, The Somme and Passchendaele were acts of simple and prolonged butchery.
I have little doubt that if flag-waggers like Teribus were given access to the soldiers' diaries housed in The Imperial War Museum, he would happily blue-pencil out any adverse comment on the war and its leadership.
We've just come through a year of celebration of the Easter Uprising (typically denigrated by Teribus and Keith in distinctive flag-wagging fashion)
It has been a year of self-examination and analysis for the Irish - one where the Rising was put under the microscope and re-examines - warts and all.
It produced a mass of fresh information and evidence, and has given rise to a landslide of books on the subject - an open and healthy examination of a great achievement, largely without jingoistic nationalism.
Sure - there has been national pride of a great achievement - why wouldn't there be - that's what it was?
When WW1 and other such conflicts are treated in this way, maybe I'll wear a poppy - but I doubt if it will ever happen in my lifetime.
This does not in any way diminish my respect for those who fought and died - far from it.
I feel it is time for a proper examination of how they died and for what.
Denigrating soldiers, as jingoists like Teribus do, in order to protect the reputations of the Military and the politicians, is one of the barriers to be surmounted before they can come anywhere near what was achieved in Ireland this year.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 04:40 AM

"You've just complained about being insulted but you seem totally incapable of posting to those who disagree with you without prefixing it with insults."

Complained Jim? No long ago gave up on that, I merely commented on it. I tend to deal in the coin paid to me and besides what insults?

I highlight my apologies because inhabiting this forum we have lying bastards who say I never apologise or own up to making mistakes (Just recently blown that myth/downright lie clear out of the water - Ask Raggy). So it seems as if you may be able to recognise rare breeds of bird but your command of the English language is so damn poor that you cannot recognise and take note of an apology when it is made.

"I put Tommy's story, as he told it to us, on the 'unregulated Remembrence Day' thread - that is how he told it, that is how I first posted it and that is how it remains."

I know, I read it, and that was a very modified version of the story you first told. Think it was one of the Muskets who first brought up summary executions and you introduced us to Tommy Kenny to support the lie - It was you who wittered on about there being special squads of Military police engaged in the summary execution of British soldiers and various people were introduced out of the woodwork who were supposedly veterans who had witnessed this that and the other but nobody could find any details, nobody could give the name of any dear innocent comrade who had been executed in this manner. Obviously the much valued commodity of common sense does not exist in your universe Carroll, but ask any serviceman who has ever been on active service and he will tell you the names of those who were there alongside him, the names of his Sergeants and the names of his Officers - and you are really trying to tell us that such a servicemen would not be able to tell the name of a friend summarily executed by a British Military Policeman standing within a few feet of him - utterly preposterous and totally unbelievable.

Here is another of your lies Jim:

"You even claimed that you were able to find that there was no record of him having served - yet when I tested your ability to find such information by asking you to produce details of my uncle, who was a medal winner in WW2, you couldn't even begin to produce such information."

1: I stated that you hadn't checked that he had served. In talking to my grandfathers and their friends what service, branch or regiment they had been in was always the first things they told you. Where they served was the second. Those bits of information were vital to frame the stories they then told - Yet Tommy Kenny mentioned none of those things otherwise that information would have been on your tape recording, and so disinterested an interviewer were you that you didn't see fit to ask or check. As far as research methodology goes that is appallingly slack and slapdash.

2: Contacting various sites I came up with not one but six Tommy or Thomas Kenny's who served. I managed to do that for a very modest outlay and I managed to do that easily within the course of one morning.

3: As for you testing my ability - I see no reason to dance to any tune you want to play - especially not if it involves personal expense in doing something I am not in the least interested in.

You have still not managed to provide verbatim any lie I have told on this forum, and guess what Carroll - you never will.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 04:32 AM

Oops, apologies for that. I was reading one post with one eye and another with the other. 😳

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 04:28 AM

Where have I complained about being insulted, pray tell? Has your dog just died or something? 😂

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 03:38 AM

"Yes Shaw annual trolling, by you and the "usual suspects", "
You've just complained about being insulted but you seem totally incapable of posting to those who disagree with you without prefixing it with insults.
What is the matter with you Teribus, do you really believe your arguments to be so without substance that you have to bully them through?
You have also adopted the habit of highlighting your rare apologies and referring to them later - you really don't need to - we recognise a rare Eastern Black Redstart (one of the rarest birds in Britain) when we see one.
And now you launch once more in denigrating the war record af one of the veterans of 'W.W.1.
"Tommy Kenny's story was introduced to back up the "fairy tale" that British Soldiers were subject to summary execution in the field"
Now you are lying again - read what I say.
Tommy's story was never connected with executions in the field - that was a separate story put up on the internet by a poster describing his grandfather's experiences - another old veteran you chose to call a liar.
You have been told this umpteen times and still you repeat your distortion - and you claim you don't tell lies!!!
I put Tommy's story, as he told it to us, on the 'unregulated Remembrence Day' thread - that is how he told it, that is how I first posted it and that is how it remains.
How dare you accuse anybody on this forum of denigrating British veterans when you peppered your defence of the bloodbath that was World War One with insults of some of those who fought - you called veterans liars.
Tommy's recordings were not of his war record - they were reminiscences of his life at war and on the Liverpool docks, made at the request of his family - they have his service details, as you have also been told.
You even claimed that you were able to find that there was no record of him having served - yet when I tested your ability to find such information by asking you to produce details of my uncle, who was a medal winner in WW2, you couldn't even begin to produce such information.
You say above "Well then Jim I see you still cannot find one single example of me lying."
Here are a few more examples to join the many I have given you.
You are a bluffer, bullshitter and ruthless porky-vendor when it comes to peddling you obnoxious jingoist bullshit.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Nov 16 - 02:38 AM

Yes Shaw annual trolling, by you and the "usual suspects", wasn't last years topical troll something about the RBL Festival of Remembrance, and the year before that the display at the Tower of London and no doubt next year you will come up with another.

Ah yes Jom your pal Tommy Kenny who you and three others tape recorded for three days wasn't it? So interested were you in the story the man told that:

1: You checked nothing pertaining to that story at all.

2: You couldn't tell me which branch of the Army he served in.

3: You couldn't tell me where he served and when.

4: Tommy Kenny's story was introduced to back up the "fairy tale" that British Soldiers were subject to summary execution in the field, yet not one instance of such has ever been detailed, not one single name of one single soldier who suffered such a fate has been recorded, not even by their "mates", peculiarly by their "mate" Tommy Kenny.

5: The myth about special execution squads of Military Police who shot soldiers who did not get out of the trenches quick enough (In all the film footage covering the First World War on our screens at the moment it can plainly be seen that that would have been impossible as there is simply not the room).

6: Tommy's yarn about men all ready convicted and sentenced to death being put in the front line and ordered over the top and if they did manage to come back being executed - Impossible - Why? - Because according to the Army Act if you are under punishment you cannot bear arms - For fairly bloody obvious reasons I would have thought. Why do I know that it is a "fairy tale"? Because again not a single name can be produced.

Carroll bangs on about dishonest behaviour ( Now that he has more or less admitted that he cannot find a single example of me ever having lied on this forum) but how dishonest is this:

This is the feller who call veterans whose reminiscences don't tie up with his jingoism "liars"

One story about one veteran, a story introduced by Jim Carroll, that has holes all over it and which is riddled with errors and inconsistencies. So I must call all veterans "liars" whose reminiscences don't tally with "FACT" - jingoism doesn't enter into it - That Jim is dishonest behaviour if ever I encountered it, an argument based entirely on false assumptions.

Now to get back to that story, the one that continually changed as the glaring faults in it were pointed out, until we get the snippet that Tommy Kenny may have served with the Artillery because of a wound he received (Lost bits of his ear IIRC). Then all went deadly quiet when it was explained to Carroll that artillery was never placed in the front line it is always positioned behind the lines and in that position how on earth could Tommy Kenny have seen what was going on in the front lines. Truth was of course he couldn't and didn't. No longer interested in what the latest duly altered version of the tale is, it has changed too many times now to be credible.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 01:17 PM

"about whom you could not give a toss""
This is the feller who call veterans whose reminiscences don't tie up with his jingoism "liars" - even to the point of denying their war records - so don't take it personal PFR - you are in the very best of company when he smears you.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 12:52 PM

Annual trolling? This is a discussion section and I raised a topical issue that has been in the news on account of some high-profile people being commented on for not wearing a poppy. I could have chosen my words better than "in the bin," I admit, but, if you read down the thread, you'll see that my poppy ended up not in the bin but in Mrs Steve's handbag. I think it's probably still in there. Perhaps Teribus would like to apprise us of any other annual events that it would be trolling to bring up. Christmas, perhaps? Pancake Tuesday? As for the poppy's symbolism, that's a personal matter and several people have expressed different views as to what it means to them. That is thoroughly respectable, but at least two of us reject symbolism for ourselves. That does not mean we don't respect the war dead. As I do every single year, I observed the silences both on the 11th and on Remembrance Sunday. And I bought a poppy. And it's not in the bin. Some troll.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 12:32 PM

Steve, whatever his intent, merely opened the thread, as challenging stimulation for debate.....

YOU have seized hold of it for your own malevolent purposes...

I maintain a semi detached amused view of your petty bickering,
up until the point you state:

""so much respect for the symbol of sombre remembrance for all those poor souls fallen in war..... about whom you could not give a toss"

That is a vile accusation !!!

You go too far.. you despicable old war mongering shit.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 12:21 PM

"Well then Jim I see you still cannot find one single example of me lying. "
No - course not, as long as you ignore your dishonest behavour
"And typically as you cannot do that you resort to insult "
Describing that behaviour is not "insult" and to be accused of it by somewone who cant reply to opposition without sneering and bullying is... well, work it out for yourself you sad man
Would you like me to put together some examples of how you respond to people so you can deny that?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 11:58 AM

A Thread entitled "No poppies for me" is "a thread dedicated to the poppy, the symbol of sombre remembrance for all those poor souls fallen in war..... Hell as like it is opening post from Steve Shaw is an annual trolling exercise - in which he stated that he'd put his pound in the tin and throw the poppy straight into the bin - so much respect for the symbol of sombre remembrance for all those poor souls fallen in war..... about whom you could not give a toss.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 11:47 AM

Jim Carroll - 15 Nov 16 - 06:33 AM

Well then Jim I see you still cannot find one single example of me lying. And typically as you cannot do that you resort to insult - well done Jom, no matter is doesn't bother me in the least.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 09:58 AM

<>"deep rage at the futility and, unfortunately, the future inevitability of war."
If that's what Remembrance Day was about BW - I'd wear one 52 weeks of the year - with pride."


For me, Jim, it is. And I do.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 09:37 AM

"Vladslo German Cemetery as everywhere else I visited"
I'd foirgotten this until your posting, but last year Sky Arts (before it was dumbed down) presented a series of brilliant programmes under the general title of 'My Shakespeare' where they got an actor to discuss his or her favourite Play by the Bard.
Jeremy Irons chose 'Richard III (not my favourite play) and made an excellent job of it.
After all the violence and murder of the depiction of Richard's reign, the closing shot was of Irons strolling through a field talking about the evils of warfare.
Gradually, the camera panned up to reveal that he was walking through thousands of war graves....
A tearful and anger-making moment for both of us - it is how all wars should be commemorated.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 08:37 AM

No Teribus, it seems I'm not quite as thick as you...

For such an articulate and presumably reasonably educated old bloke, you have completely missed the essential point....

Which I will now spell out for you..

It's about your total lack of compassion and sensitivity, and any sense of irony, that on or about the 11th of November
you did occupy and commence to wage senseless petty warfare of attrition in a thread dedicated to the poppy,
the symbol of sombre remembrance for all those poor souls fallen in war....

..an inconsiderate act of epic vainglorious buffoonery... 🙄

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 08:19 AM

"deep rage at the futility and, unfortunately, the future inevitability of war."
If that's what Remembrance Day was about BW - I'd wear one 52 weeks of the year - with pride.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 08:04 AM

Where people? Were people! 👍

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 08:02 AM

Back on the subject of poppies - and the wearing of same - I spent the weekend in Flanders visiting, amongst other places, Ypres for the Menin Gate ceremony on Remembrance Sunday, the 'In Flanders Fields' museum in Ypres, Tyne Cot Cemetery, where there are 12,000 allied servicemen buried, and Vladslo German Cemetery, where lie 25,000 German servicemen (buried 20 to each grave-space). Everywhere where people of all nationalities, many wearing Remembrance poppies.

My emotions were exactly the same at Vladslo German Cemetery as everywhere else I visited - immense sadness and regret at the futile waste of so many young lives by leaders and politicians in pursuit of nationalistic goals, and deep rage at the futility and, unfortunately, the future inevitability of war.

I wore my poppy with deep sadness, and I'll do the same next year, and the year after, and.......

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 06:33 AM

"No Jim you accused me of lying. "
AND YOU HAVE LIED -
You might like to semantically claim that your stupidly dishonest method of argument ws not lying - but it is.
" Well I do know that I am a damned sight brighter than you"
Yeah - so you seem to think with your "I seldom make mistakes"
You are an arrogant bullying moron who refuses to produce proof of his claims and attempts to talk to anybody who oversteps themselves to disagree with you.
You are a loutish oaf, without either knowledge or social graces - that's why you have only the support of a couple of similar hangers-on.
Your continuing to cling yo a sunken raft is pathetic - you produced nothing substantial and refused to link to anything - and you changed your story consistently - I count six times - may be more.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 04:20 AM

No Jim you accused me of lying. I asked you to quote verbatim one such example of me lying - so far you have been unable to do that.

Please point out where there is any conflict in anything I have said

In 2009 an export licence was granted - No proof whatsoever that anything was actually sold, despatched or delivered.

In 2010 ALL export licences related to Syria were revoked.

Ammunition manufactured in the UK cannot be used in Russian weapons.

I "may not be very bright"? Well I do know that I am a damned sight brighter than you when it comes to this particular subject, stick to the meaning of Folk Music, Walter Pardon and Ewan MacColl you seem to know what you are talking about there.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 03:48 AM

"So where in what I have stated have I lied?"
I've given you a list of your lying behaviour - incomplete as it was, which is what you requested - you want to confirm it by reopening one of your half dozen conflicting excuses for selling ammunition and riot control equipment to a mass murderer.
Another try bites the dust, I'm afraid - you'll have to re-open the thread and think up another half-dozen excuses
You really are not very bright, for all your bullying bluster and "I hardly am ever wrong" (saying of the decade).
JIm Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 03:11 AM

Jim Carroll - 14 Nov 16 - 01:51 PM

So where in what I have stated have I lied?

You on the other hand have:

You claimed that British weapons exported by the British Government were being used to kill civilians in Homs - That is a blatant lie as Britain has exported no weapons to Syria.

You stated without one shred of evidence or proof that ammunition had been sent to Syria when only a licence to export a minute quantity of ammunition had been granted to a private individual in 2009. You then omitted to mention THAT ALL EXPORT LICENCES WERE REVOKED IN 2010.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 15 Nov 16 - 03:04 AM

punkfolkrocker - 14 Nov 16 - 12:09 PM

Well no pfr, had the ammunition that Carroll assumes and claims, without any proof whatsoever, been sent to Syria then the only way it could have killed anybody would be if the pallet carrying it dropped and hit someone on the head. Standard NATO ammo is too long to fit in Russian made weapons or, like Jim are you also too thick to recognise that fact?

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 01:51 PM

"You bleat about something you read in the Daily Mail a
Really not going to go throuugh a battle you lost
You asked for an example of your lying - I gave you a classic and a couple more thrown in for good measure
End of story
You are as big an eejit as your two mates
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 12:12 PM

oh.. I do apologise.. how can you ever forgive me..

there should be 2 "o"s in "boorish"...

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 12:09 PM

It must be so reassuring to the families of folk who've had their heads suddenly blown apart
that borish military history & hardware anorak pedants in the UK
absolutely know the exact mm dimensions of the bullets used to kill their loved ones...... 🙄

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 11:35 AM

Ah the Homs thread:

Let us quickly have a quick reprise of that.

1: You bleat about something you read in the Daily Mail about an export licence being granted in 2009 to a private individual covering the export of £30,000 worth of ammunition to Syria, which you broadcast as the British Government selling arms to Syria and that these bullets were responsible for killing civilians in Homs in 2012 - all pure invention all Jom "Made Up Shit".

2: While the export licence was granted there was no follow up information that cast any light on or proof that any ammunition had ever actually been sold to Syria. Jom in full flight did not need such proof because he was totally convinced and it suited his rabid bigotry and Anglophobic outlook. Now then Jim if you do have proof that that private individual did indeed export ammunition to Syria please provide it.

3: Now what sort of ammunition would be covered by a British export licence? Common sense would rather indicate that it would cover ammunition made in the UK that was somehow no longer required. So what do we make? NATO 9mm Ball; NATO 7.62x51mm; NATO 5.56x45mm. What ammunition would we have an over abundance of that we might want to ditch? NATO 7.62x51mm as our standard infantry weapon since 1987 has been the SA80 A2 L85, so all the ammunition for it's predecessor the 7.62mm L1 A1 is surplus to requirement, therefore available for sale very cheaply (I know because I buy it and use it as training rounds).

4: Russia supplies Assad and his Syrian Army with weapons monthly by the shipload. It has been Russian supplied weapons and munitions that have been killing Syrian civilians in their hundreds of thousands since 2011. So why would Assad have to have £30,000 worth of UK NATO 7.62x51mm ammunition? Russian weapons do fire 7.62mm ammunition but the 7.62mm ammo that they use is about 12mm shorter in length than the stuff made in the UK (I think at the time I even provided you with photographs demonstrating this, that you just ignored). So you see Jim NATO 7.62x51mm is simply totally useless if your Assad regime snipers are armed with Russian weapons that fire 7.62x39mm ammunition, the bullets will simply not fit into the gun. There you are does that clear up the "wrong size" thing? Or do you require a simpler explanation of it?

So was British ammunition used by snipers in Homs - on balance of probability I would say no it was not and you Jim lad cannot prove that so much as one single round was purchased or dispatched. So your "fairy tale" about Syrian civilians being killed by ammunition supplied by the British Government is simply Jom "Made up shit".

Now if you have anything of a factual nature to dispute with any of that please reopen the thread and put those points to me, if all you can do is launch yet another of your multi-coloured, spittle-flecked rants then save us all a great deal of grief and tedium and remain silent.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 08:40 AM

"What list Carroll? There isn't one."
Yes there was - I put it up over and over again and you refused to respond.
I really can't be arsed reopening a thread that is long done and dusted, but my requests for you to respond are there.
"No you haven't."
What the **** are all your different excuses about sniper ammunition sales if they aren't on-the-spot made up lies
THere, that's another couple you can add to the list.
Would you like to claim those responses I listed weren't yours and add yet another to the list
"If what you say is true you don't need lists all you have to do is quote verbatim from any of my posts where I have told a lie"
Why bother - they are all there and searchable on the Homs Horror thread?
I have detailed every excuse you made that I can remember - I'm sure there are a couple more I've missed, but that'll do to make the point.
Hoist.... petard. I think
"In fact he's managed to make a complete and utter arse of himself"
"Carroll?"
And there you go again with your bullying, blustering bullshit.
You really aren't the brightest button on the steward's uniform, are you.
You fall into your own idiocy every single time.
I bet you behave like this dahn the pub - on second thoughts, people like you prefer a keyboard and a few hundred miles between their victims before they strut their stuff.
You have adequate examples to disprove - without the bulldozer works a treat
Jim Carroll (don't forget the "Jim" now - helps keep things calm!)

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 07:37 AM

Jim Carroll - 14 Nov 16 - 04:29 AM

What list Carroll? There isn't one.

Jim Carroll - 14 Nov 16 - 07:25 AM

I've just given you a detailed list of how you lie.

No you haven't.

If what you say is true you don't need lists all you have to do is quote verbatim from any of my posts where I have told a lie. I am not interested in "Xxxxxxx in other words", If you are going to accuse me of lying then cut'n'paste the lie I was supposed to have told directly in my own words for all to see.

Raggy has not come out of our little exchange too well. In fact he's managed to make a complete and utter arse of himself - seems to me that you are following him down the same road.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 07:27 AM

Bluff and nonsense Raggy?? No just the truth - something that is completely foreign to your nature to such an extent that it is apparently unknown to you.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 07:25 AM

"Big on baseless accusations Jim"
I've just given you a detailed list of how you lie.
If you want some specifics - try the list you were given of the Famine that totally disproved your case, yet you simply refused to answer.
Or:
You might try your defence of the ammunition sold by Britain to Assad and the at least half-dozen, sometimes totally contradictory excuses you gave for the sale.
It never happened - it happened but the sale was never licensed - the sale was licensed but the licence was withdrawn -
Did Britain have a "crystal ball to tell them what kind of a despot Assad was?"
then back to
The sale wasn't for the snipers because they were the wrong size
The sale took place long before the killing began
I think last time the issue came up we were back to "wrong size" again.
None of these came with any documented proof - but they were all presented as "facts" - which is a glorious lie in itself.
All your protestations of innocent doesn't alter the fact that these are examples of your lying on Speed.
These ate just two examples of your use of this ducking and diving tactic - WW1 was an entertainment in itself - you propound knowledge you simply don't posess - yo make it up as you go along and hope it will be accepted without question - when it isn't, you turn nasty (or nastier).
It is no accident that you make virtually all your postings in a bullying and blustering manner - you seem to think that it will cover up your ignorance.
All bullies turn out to be hollow men on closer examination.
"Anyway I'm off to pack for Ireland. "
Meet you in Friel's in Miltown if you can afford the bus fare - whoops - we don't have buses
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 06:58 AM

Bluff and nonsense, the only reason you issued an apology was because Joe had become involved. When I first mentioned The Field General Court Martial I was told there was no such thing in your aggressive manner.

Only after Joe had done a little reading and it became apparently that your usual bluster had not worked was an apology forthcoming and that only to Joe in the first instance.



Anyway I'm off to pack for Ireland. Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 06:48 AM

Big on baseless accusations Jim - you've never been able to give one single example of me lying yet.

"Well, lets start with the fact you did not apologise to me as you claim." - Raggytash - Blatant fuckin' lie Raggy that you knew full well to be a lie when you typed it.

"I also seem to recall that it was only with the intervention of a moderator that you accepted they did actually exist. This of course was after several days and numerous bad tempered, belligerent and aggressive posts." - Raggytash - Yet another gross misrepresentation Joe Offer was not posting as a forum moderator and you damn well know that - after several days?? Another blatant lie - I responded almost immediately once my error had been pointed out to me

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 06:37 AM

"In short old son - you lie like a pig in shit - as a barefaced liar you are beneath contempt."
Coming from someone who totally ignores list of all the ways you lie consistently - takes one to know one.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 05:26 AM

So you did ................ eventually.......... after I had been forced to raised the subject yet again.

My apologies.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 05:06 AM

Oh dear Raggy - WRONG AGAIN - So this cannot be found in the Mudcat archives then:

Teribus
BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916 (1327* d)
RE: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
09 May 16

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My apologies Raggy I stand corrected

In short old son - you lie like a pig in shit - as a barefaced liar you are beneath contempt.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 04:29 AM

"Ah Raggy what lies?"
You distort what those who disagree with you say all the time - you always have done
Lying by another name.
You constantly present your opinions as "facts" yet refuse to qualify them with evidence
Ditto
You claim the last time you were wrong about anything was way back in the WW1 argument - utter nonsense
Your technique is to dismiss evidence as "made-up-shit"
Then, when proof is provided, you accuse those who provided it as "ready to believe anything" (no matter were it came from)
Then you slink back under your bridge and refuse to qualify your arguments - it happens over and over again.
Your refusal to provide factual backup to anything you say is enough evidence of your dishonesty.
You want proof - try your refusal to answer the facts on the Irish Famine.
You may not be as stupid as Keith who blatantly denies things he has said (sometimes a few postings before), but your behaviour is every bit as dishonest, and usually delivered in a bullying and arrogant manner - diff'rent strokes for diff'rent blokes.
Dishonesty is the watchword of your little platoon.
Oh - and then there is your claim that you are seldom wrong - that is both a lie and megalomaniac.
Take your pick of any of these.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 04:27 AM

Well, lets start with the fact you did not apologise to me as you claim.

You apologised to Joe, true but if you look back at the thread I was the one who first mentioned a Field General Court Martial I got not but a kiss my arse.

Another fine example of you kow-towing to perceived authority with Joe though.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 02:11 AM

Ah Raggy what lies?

Bet that you cannot come with any - you never do.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 07:00 PM

Carry on mates...

The poppy 'debate' was entertaining enough.. but this teribus-centric thread drift is hilarious...

..well until it starts getting too tedious...

.. or just too cruel laughing at a pompous egotistical belligerent buffoon... 😜

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 06:05 PM

Utter lies from start to finish.

You know it, I know it and anyone who read the threads knows it.

It's a poor thing when a poster has the resort to complete fabrications to save face.

I actually thought you had more about you, I was obvously mistaken.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 05:35 PM

That your way of saying that you did not have to wait days after the error had been pointed out to me Raggy.

Now give us the context of the "Cork" thing Raggy. A port serving the east coast of Ireland - think we were talking about transport links in the mid 1800s - the question you and your pals could not answer was how food could be distributed without the transport, roads, storage facilities. You were given maps showing the areas served by the port of Cork - they supported my argument and made a nonsense of yours.

Same thing happened when you tried to claim that conscription was introduced before March 1916.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 09:15 AM

So the fact that I said such a thing as the Field General Court Martial did exist managed to creep past you did it.

I seem to recall your utter belligerence over an extended period before Joe popped up in support, then and only then, when a known moderator was involved did you finally concede that you were mistaken.

To me it was a fine example of you kow-towing to "authority"...... No surprise there really.

Still no mention of the position of Cork on the coast of Ireland I see.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 09:01 AM

Your recollection as usual is wrong Raggy.

Joe Offer posting as a forum member - Not as a moderator - pointed out my error on the 09 May 16 at 03:19 AM. I apologised to both him and you on the same day within hours if not minutes.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 06:15 AM

"more often than not I am in the right"
Sure you are Terri - that's why you disappear into isolation when you are faced with awkward questions
Your "rightness" usually includes your denying proof and expert statements and refusing to provide any of your own.
There's a medical term for people who always behave like that.
You have never ever won over a thread to your side and you basically have three supporters - all of them strange and dishonest people - and all of the extremely to the right, - racist, fascist, Islamophobic and jingoistic
Then perhaps I am misuderstand your use of the term RIGHT
Hi Raed - how's the head?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 05:32 AM

With regard to a Field General Court Martial I recall you told me I was talking through my anal orifice. I also seem to recall that it was only with the intervention of a moderator that you accepted they did actually exist. This of course was after several days and numerous bad tempered, belligerent and aggressive posts.

You have still to admit that Cork is on the South and not the East coast of Ireland despite being presented with a map complete with compass bearing nicely displayed on it.

So much for admitting your mistakes.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 05:06 AM

By the bye, the only people who have ever suggested that I do not post have been the likes of Carroll and the "usual suspects" normally when they have made complete and utter fools of themselves - certainly no Moderator on this forum has ever made the request.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 05:01 AM

"who never admits he is wrong about anything." Raedwulf??

Perhaps you should ask Akenaton, Raggytash and Joe Offer about that - Anytime where it has been pointed out that I am in error I have admitted it and apologised for that error (If memory serves me correctly the last occasion had something to do with the term Field General Court Martial - a term not used or applicable in the Royal Navy).

Generally however in debate on historical matters with Carroll and the "usual suspects" more often than not I am in the right - something bourn out by the fact that they never seem to be able to counter anything I have stated with facts of their own.

Subject: RE: BS: No poppies for me
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 07:24 PM

He certainly seems to have been advised not to post in the music section.