BS: Legalize Pot?

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 06:40 PM

Prohibition laws are not enforcable. See history. Note that you can get drugs in any penitentiary in spite of the walls & guards.

Unenforcable laws lead to increased crime. See the history of the Great Experiment, which was resposible for the success of Al Capone, of Dutch Schultz (up till he got shot), et alia. They didn't want to see Prohibitiion repealed, and indeed repealing Prohibition did put that crowd out of the alcohol business, but no worry, it left their organizations in place.

And corruption increased; there was a lot of money floating around from bootleg alcohol, so 'respectable' bankers were money -laundering, judges and lawmakers and cops were taking bribe money. Just like it is with drugs now.

Unenforcable laws also lead to a general disrespect for law.

It is not possible to effectively prohibit drugs, weapons, or books as long as people want them, and you mess things up when you try.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 06:19 PM

Good luck with that. Kids smoke tobacco at 10 and tobacco sellers are happy to supply it.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 06:18 PM

I agree Brucie - it should be for 18 and over and of course all "under the influence" laws for alcohol should be extended to pot as well.

One of the worst anti-pot commercials that runs on U.S. TV is one where the young man is visiting his brother's roadside marker. The voice-over says the the kids got killed by his brother while driving while stoned. That has nothing to do with pot.

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That it is a gateway drug is stupid in so many way - especially this one: You say that people who do hard drugs start off with pot. Number one, that's not always true. Number two - it's certainly not true in countries where pot is not common.


Simple fact. Those that want to keep pot illegal are using only their emotions and probably like to control other people's lives. Stay the hell away from me and let me do what I want to my body in my own home. The fact that it is illegal forces some people to steal to afford their addictions. Make it legal and the price comes down, and a lot less people will steal to get it.

By the way - if you think I'm a pot-head, I am not. I haven't used pot sicne the early 1980s.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: davidkiddnet
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 06:18 PM

Trouble with the ILLEGAL drugs was that he never knew what it REALLY was.
When it was REALLY only shoe polish - that's was just a drag.
But once when the supply dried up there was only that black goo the dealer said was hash oil. But it got him layed out flat like opium for a week - That week when he only ever got up to get stoked again.
Ironically it's lucky he didn't know that it was probably REALLY junk. For the end of that week he'd have been asking for H if he'd known. And lived that dramatic tragic life - and been REALLY dead years ago.
With the legal drug the doctor prescibes now at least he knows some of what that drug REALLY is.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 06:11 PM

"If grass is legalized, it should be restricted to 18 and over, and people should not be allowed to drive under the influence"

Absolutely!

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 05:43 PM

When I was an older teenager, pot had a THC percent of 4-6%. I understand that it gets as high as 20% these days. In my younger years, four or five people shared a joint. (I have never smoked grass and I never will, but a friend of mine did and he told me all about it.) So, when one once needed a joint to really get off, one now has but to take one toke and one is then changing spark plugs on Venus. If grass is legalized, it should be restricted to 18 and over, and people should not be allowed to drive under the influence. Should it be legalized? Good question.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 05:09 PM

First, GEorgiansilver, your "Be Blessed" gets right up my nose, and I would prefer you to exclude me, at least, from the grand sweep of your patronage. Second, your case for criminalising pot has serious flaws.

McGrath has already pointed out the weakness of the "gateway" argument. You say the heroin victims you have seen all started on pot, whereas in truth they probably all started on milk. If there was anything in your argument, then you'd have to criminalise the supplying of milk.

Anyway, in all your experience with the police, did you never see someone murdered as a result of drugs racketeering? If not, try going on the beat in Nottingham, which is not too far for you to travel. Or you could go to some of the estates in north Dublin, or in Belfast, and see people who have been shot in knees and ankles, having first had all their limbs broken with hurley bats. All for crossing the drug barons.

For some people paracetamol is addictive. Taken in large quntities its effects are usually irreversible and usually fatal. So... ban paracetamol? One thing is quite clear: whatever the effects of pot (and there is much evidence that it is less harmful and less disruptive of society than alcohol) it is massively less addictive than nicotine. There is simply no logic in criminalising pot but not criminalising tobacco.

Millions of kids get addicted to cigarettes against their better judgment, through what they regard as nothing more than innocent experimenting. And if pot is a gateway drug, then nicotine is doubly so. How many people do any of you know who inhaled pot without first inhaling a cigarette?

Strolling Johnny, my daughter is 12, and I will certainly continue to discourage her, discreetly, from experimenting with fags. When she gets to an age for going into pubs, I would be more relaxed about her mixing a bit of marihuana into cup cakes than I would be about her getting drawn into the drinking binges that so many youngsters do get drawn into these days. Again, be in Nottingham any Friday night when the clubs close, and you will see exactly what alcohol can do to otherwise intelligent teenagers. It is not a pretty sight.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 04:40 PM

well I thought the fact that it was the Fraser Institute a right wing think tank that suggested legalizing it, was curious.
The main reason is that in BC is a 4 billion $ industry (or acouple billion anyway) and thats a lot of potential tax income. COnsidering that a good chunk of a pack of cigarettes is tax Im sure theyre interested.
the only problem is that probably most of that pot is exported to the US and I dont see them going along with legalization for a while.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 04:35 PM

Seems to me they may be somewhat interested in stopping the use of drugs, but not enough to become dictatorial about behaviours. Any poitician knows he has to balance the two and if he goes over the line in messing with personally-elected behaviors, his votes dry up. Well intended or no.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 04:01 PM

I can only call it how I see it... Seems to -me- they're not really interested in stopping the use of drugs...

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Once Famous
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 03:57 PM

Clinton

Just curious, how do you really KNOW what the powers are interested in? Are you the brother of a "power?" Do you sleep with one?
Are you a Washington insider? related to Bob Novak? Have naked pictures of Kerry?

Or just another folksinger?

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: saulgoldie
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 03:52 PM

Clearly, there are some raw emotions being expressed, here. However, emotions don't make for good laws. The negative effects of criminalization cannot be afforded, and there are no gains that can be attributed to that approach, other than assuaging some emotional needs.

Put my questions another way: How many lives have been saved or turned around from imprisoning pot smokers? What is the cost to society of the criminal/justice infrastructure that caused that to happen? Make it easier, and just figure the money costs and forget the social costs.

I'm sorry, but I have not heard a single good reason for keeping pot illegal, not one.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: open mike
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 03:40 PM

It does have scientifically proven positive effects for medical uses.
Cancer, MS, glaucoma, chronic pain, AIDS, epilepsy, arthritis and other conditions are made better and/or more bearable by marijuana.
medical marijuana discussion site 10 states in the U.S. have medical use provisions.
National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws
And as a result of unfair sentencing laws, Judges who would choose to
give shorter sentences to productive citizens, are not allowed to make
this choice to to mandatory minimum sentence laws. This does more damage to society than help, as it removes hard-working people from the job market, and often forces thier dependant families to become dependant on government help programs, where as they were contributing to the economy as citizens. Families Against Mandatory Minimums
Willie Nelson claims that Pot saved his life. He used to smoke a pack
of cigarettes or more every day and drink whiskey, but gave these up
when he discovered marijuana. He claims he would not be here today if
he had continued in his previous habits.
Bird Food often contains hemp seeds as this encourages singing.
Jack Herer's book The Emperor Wears No Clothes has been a cult
classic for over 30 years.
http://www.onlinepot.org/grow/jackherer.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 03:38 PM

if 100% efficiency was even half the issue...

The war on drugs has done NOTHING but cost tax-payers BILLIONS of dollars putting petty little weekend recreationalists in jail for getting high.... If American was serious, like the word WAR seems to imply, they'd try to stop it at the source... Given all the money spent, and all the jail sentences handed out, drug use is ever growing...

So really ANY efficiency would be nice.... Except that I KNOW the 'powers' are not really INTERESTED in stopping drug use... if the average joe-lunch-box ever sobered up enough to see how badly he was taking it up the back-side there'd be a revolution....

It's like anti drinking-and-driving 'campaigns'... what a joke... Technology has existed for a LONG time (pretty much concurrent with whats-his-face inventing the seat belt) that more or less attached a breathalyser to the starter switch of a car... if you 'blow over' your car automatically locks out the starter for an hour or more... These are only now just starting to see the light of day, and then only on the cars of repeat and repeat offenders... IF your 'leaders' were serious about stopping drinking and driving then there'd be a law saying that ALL cars had to have them!

But your leaders aren't serious... that much is obvious...

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: GUEST,#2
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 03:24 PM

Geez clinton
If we are gonna stop having laws because they aren't 100% effective in achieving their intent, then lets make everything legal. Murder,theft, assult, child porn,discrimination. It all continues in spite of legislation, but thats hardly a good reason to legitamize any of it.
If you'd have asked me 5 yrs ago I'd have said sure, lets make it legal and get buzzed tonight.Having seen how it tore apart my family since then, I can't in good conscience endorse expanding the possibility of that kind of experience to even more families, and thats what legalization would do.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Once Famous
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 02:57 PM

I used it for years and loved it.

I wish I had all the money back though that I wasted on it.

I've stopped for a long time now and am quite glad of it. I will tell you first hand that it is addicting, more pyscholoically, but somewhat physically.

Any of you who think it either enhances your music, makes sex better, makes food tastier, gives you great cosmic insight, are really living a lie. i did have an excuse for using it for many things at one time. Life is so much better without it including all of the above.

I hope they legalize it, charge $500 an ounce for it and use the money to feed some hungry people. Your dark lungs are worth that to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: saulgoldie
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 02:52 PM

How many people are killed directly or indirectly by alcohol use/abuse? How many by tobacco? How many people are killed by automobiles? By using kitchen knives? By walking across the street? Motorcycling? Flying? Skateboarding? Riding horses? Eating bad sushi? How many people are killed by voting Republican? (More than you think!) How many people are killed by making ill-considered fashion choices, whether they are straight OR gay?!!

We simply cannot legislate everything that someone is emotionally affected by. Hell, there might even be enough support for banning folk music! Lord knows that our ranks are dwindling. How few of us must there be that we couldn't mount a sufficient defense against such an initiative?

As I said above, we are going to lose some people to various endeavors, regardless of what we do. No one gets out alive. It is just a matter of how long it takes you, and what is your downfall.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 02:45 PM

Chocolate is a drug...

coffee is a drug

booze is a drug

And doing drugs is human nature...

I don't care how many laws you make against them, yer NOT gonna stop people... as Americas laughable "War On Drugs" has proven...

It seems stupid to me that pot is illegal when alcohol and tobacco are all too readily available... alcohol is MUCH worse for ya than pot...

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 02:17 PM

The only reason that I can see..to show itself for legalising pot is that the life of the authorities might be made easier...and a few who have medical needs.
Perhaps the question to be asked here is who actually "needs" it and why?.
Having pursued a career..first in the Police Force, then Child Care, I have seen the results of the "gateway" drug...and you cannot convince me that it is not!!!!!!! leading people on to other things and ultimately addiction and death for some.
To those of you who are giving your views on here.....Have you actually seen a death due to heroin, cocaine or amphetamine....I have seen the horrific circumstances of all three, and on questioning friends/relatives..I find that the "victims" started on pot!!!!. I do not care what figures you can come up with which are published by whoever....figures can be fixed....some of you need to experience first hand the damage...then perhaps you could climb off your all-knowing soap boxes and face the reality of this sorry, selfish world we live in.
Strollin'johnny..glad to see there's someone on here talking sense.
Be Blessed.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: GUEST,Well, yeah.
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 01:52 PM

Yes. Choice on this matter should be legalized. Antisocial activity is what should be illegal. There is nothing antisocial about a person choosing in their own privacy or out in the open air to smoke pot. It doesn't hurt other people.

Antisocial activity is activity that hurts other people in some way, damages their property or impinges upon their freedom. Smoking pot does none of the above. Driving stoned might cause a problem...accordingly, don't prohibit the smoking of pot, prohibit driving under the influence. Same basic approach as with alcohol.

If you wish to protect people against themselves...then you would have to also outlaw laziness, willful ignorance, overeating, sleeping too much, staying up too late, being promiscuous, wasting valuable time doing valueless things, etc...

And it would be very silly, wouldn't it? And effectively unenforcable on a broad basis...just like the silly antimarijuana legislation is. You don't have the right to legally force other people to be like you, just because you think you are better than they are in some way.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 01:49 PM

"Greater control" of a drug is in practice the opposite of prohibition. Ineffective efforts at total prohibition - and they are always ineffective - means that there is no control whatsoever. No control on purity, no control over the circumstances in which they are used, no control on the age at which they are used.

It just doesn't work. It's been given an awfully long time to see if somehow it might start to work. It's time to stop pretending, and try it another way.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 01:42 PM

But it's not just banned in the USA, just about everyone else bans it, excluding the Netherlands where it is restricted. Why did they ban it?

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 01:37 PM

Seems to me there are a lot of people here need to see the movie "Grass"

"This film explores the history of the American government's official policy on marijuana in the 20th century. Rising with nativist xenophobia with Mexican immigration and their taste for smoking marijuana, we see the establishment of a wrong headed federal drug policy as a crime issue as oppposed to a public health approach. Fuelled by prejudice, hysterical propaganda and political opportunism undeterred by voices of reason on the subject, we follow the story of a costly and futile crusade against a substance with questionable ill effects that has damaged basic civil liberites"

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: saulgoldie
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 01:33 PM

Most opponents of drug use in general are loathe to concede that the best antidote to substance abuse (of legal AND illegal substances) is the love of friends and family, and treatment and education, if necessary. At the same time, we must accept that no one makes it out alive, and that whether it is drugs or whatever other problem, some people will fall off the bottom no matter what is done.

So I pose the questions: How is imprisoning drug users more effective at limiting drug use than treatment, education, and caring? Additionally, what does society gain by limiting drug use?

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: GUEST, Reverend Jim
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 12:56 PM

You can rationalize anything. It's not called dope for nuthin. I think. What were we talking about?

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 12:55 PM

"unleashing it on the wider public?"

Do you realize that most estimates figure that 40% of Americans have tried it already? And that's with the "War on drugs" that is going on. Exactly what do you consider the "wider pblic" to be?

Please.


If pot is a "gateway drug" why do so few choose to enter through that gate, and of those that do, few actually continue beyond experimenting.

You may think your "feelings" are valid, but you ignore scientific proof. How sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 12:29 PM

Ellenpoly, a lot of what you say is well-reasoned and well presented (can you sense the 'but' coming?), BUT is the fact that you personally used Cannabis without any ill effects and without feeling the need to move on to 'harder' drugs sufficient justification for unleashing it on the wider public? A great many drinkers and smokers practise their drinking and smoking for considerable periods without suffering any ill effects, but would you use that as an argument for encouraging the consumption of alcohol and tobacco? (Before I go any further, I'd also say that I would like to see greater controls on the use of alcohol and tobacco, both of which I regard as very dangerous substances).

I know the 'Elderly Hippy' element here on Mudcat will come out with teeth and claws bared (like I give a shit) when I say this but, as an ex-Youth Worker, and as the parent of a young man for whom cannabis, by his own admission, was the gateway drug to his amphetamine and, subsequently, heroin addiction, I firmly believe that greater control, not relaxation, is what's needed, together with a much tougher approach to the detection and prosecution of those who deal in all illegal drugs, cannabis included. The current move to liberalisation is an open admission by those in power that they've given up on the drugs issue, and on the misery of those caught up in it.

I asked my question about Yea-saying parents/druggie children deliberately and I'm not surprised that no-one has responded. Ask any parent of a young person who's addicted to illegal drugs what their view is of the relaxation of the cannabis laws and I can almost guarantee you what their answer will be. At the end of the day they know, by their experience, the sad truth and no amount of flippancy or intellectual argument will make it different.

I respect you and your views, you're perfectly entitled to believe whatever you wish, and I'm in agreement with you regard to the medicinal benefits of cannabis, but I'm afraid we have to differ otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 11:47 AM

I would like to get really clear with both Guest 2 and Guest Parent:

I was also a pot smoker in college. Fortunately, I do not have an addictive personality, and therefore never took any drug to excess, though I tried more than just grass.

I was also clinically depressed, and though I never attempted suicide, I certainly thought about it a lot. Ingesting pot did not make me more suicidal, but it certainly made me think more introvertedly. Can that in itself cause someone to kill themself? I seriously doubt it and I've been in therapy and studied depression for the past 35 years.

With what you have said about your poor son at college indicates to me that his depression and his marijuana intake were not proven to be directly connected, either medically or psychologically. Again, if the proof was out there, REAL proof, then it would have been in a lot of medical journals by now. It simply isn't.


I have also, by the way, never offered grass to a young person, and I doubt I ever would. The reason isn't that I have ever been afraid of what grass does to me, but I can't know what grass or any other drug will do for another. Therefore I would not want to be responsible for another person's ability or inability to handle it.

If I sounded flippant to you, well, I guess it was meant to be. But only because of what I feel is an unjust uproar mostly instigated by powerful folk in the Food and Drug Administration, along with the government that has a huge amount of taxpayers money tied up in their Drug Enforcement Agency, especially in other countries. It is not to their benefit to have their cash cows removed, which is exactly what would happen if marijuana were legalized.

Believe me, if this subject were either about smoking cigarettes (you notice that I talk about ingesting grass, not smoking, which has to my knowledge, never been connected with any kind of lung disease) or about drinking alcohol, my tone would be a heck of a lot more serious. I've seen the DIRECT result of those excesses both physically and mentally on dear (dead) friends.


This is a subject that I have had an intense argument with one of my dearest friends (and a fellow mudcatter). He has also had his own personal story as to why he despises marijuana, and again, I am deeply sorry for his pain. But to him, and to the both of you, I say again...

This is a herb which when used in moderation (as all things need to be) has not been proven to be harmful. From my own experience I agree. That there will be others, young and old, who will have a bad experience either because they were incapable of using this or any other drug for either physical or psychological reasons, can not be laid at the doorstep of pot.


PS-I'm very relieved that your son is now "clean and sober". I also hope he is or was in therapy to help him remain that way.

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 10:36 AM

GUEST (anonymous) - what good would that do? We put big health warnings on fag packets, as well as adverts on telly showing blocked-up arteries and people dying of lung cancer and emphysema, but the pillocks still practise their filthy, antisocial, suicidal habit.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: GUEST,Bagpuss
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 10:14 AM

And a talking stuffed toy (baggy and a bit loose at the seams) who is friends with a banjo playing toad and some mice has no need of such substances.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: rhoda horse
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 10:10 AM

I am a Centaur from Greek Mythology and have no need for such simple earthly pursuits.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 10:06 AM

At least if it were legal, we could stick a great big health warning on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 10:05 AM

GUEST, Parent - I suspect we are kindred spirits. If you're a member posting as a guest in order to preserve your anonimity, feel free to PM me and I'll expand on that.

If not, let me say I share your views and with very good reasons. I'll be very interested to see how many responses I get to my earlier question, and what they are.
J :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Amergin
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 10:01 AM

I have known many people who liked the hard drugs...I never touched them....I have known people sent to insane asylum because of those drugs....I have known people sent to the emergency room because of those drugs either oding or having the the unfortunate circumstance of getting on the wrong side of some one on hard drugs...i have even known some one murdered over drugs...but none of it was over pot....it was all over crank, cocaine (and crack), and heroin...

legalise pot and use the funds for healthcare...and for proper education and treatment against the harder drugs. Like i said the state can grow it's own...and sell it in state ran stores..while keeping a tight clamp on those attempting to grow it for other than personal use...

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: GUEST,Parent
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:34 AM

Sweetfia, you are lucky to be blessed with the understanding of life that you obviously have for your tender years, unfortunately others out there are not so lucky and need constant help and guidance, your friend for example (well done)

Ellenpoly, I to have read some of your posts and am also surprised at your stance and flipant comment "I'd encourage young people to eat a little pot sprinkled over a nice spagetti marinara rather than any other drug out there"

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: s6k
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:27 AM

tougher than she looks??? omg.... thats a understatement.
i still recovering from some of the damage incurred.

legalize pots - of course, what would we eat off otherwise?

legalize pot - yes. then people dont have to go to dodgy drug dealers to get it. also = alcohol is the most dangerous drug around and kills more people than cocaine, etc, each year.

so a little pot can be good, but having it once every hour or something, that would be bad

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: saulgoldie
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:23 AM

In terms of the actual danger they cause and are capable of causing, far stronger cases can be made for criminalizing alcohol and tobacco. Hey, waitaminute, didn't we already try that? Yes we did, and look what happened. Prohibition spawned the growth of organized crime in America, and we are still fighting it. And it never stopped people from imbibing. And how many of our musical icons have smoked pot? Would the world be better off if they had gone to jail for it?

Any dangers surrounding the use of pot can much more easily be dealt with with it being legal and not having to complicate the situation with the whole legal machinery issue. I don't mean for a second that overuse is not a potential problem. Overuse of ANYTHING is a problem. You can even overdose on water, but SOME water is necessary for life. And from the "fighting" scenario painted above and growing anecdotal evidence about various medical conditions, we can say that the use of some pot in some cases is actually *beneficial* to some people.

The furor that keeps pot illegal (at least in the US) is totally irrational, and countering it takes measures outside of logical argument and weighing of facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Sweetfia
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:08 AM

Sorry to hear about that Guest.

I once made my best friend choose between me and taking pills (E's) after i rang her up one moring after she's taken some(she'd been drinking too)...the come down was so bad she could hardly string a sentence together, she was so disorientated she stayed in bed all day...we're are still best friends today, thankfully.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: GUEST,Guest #2
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 08:57 AM

Ellenpolly
I always enjoy your posts and would agree with you on this one if I hadn't seen my oldest son nearly kill himself (suicide) after "only" smoking pot 24/7 for about a year and a half during college.I suppose you can say the same about alcohol but the assumption that pot is totally harmless to all of us is a dangerous illusion.

As an addendum, my son is 2 years down the road, doing fine and we're all living happily ever after, but I wouldn't wish that hell on anybody.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Sweetfia
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 08:42 AM

Cheers Johnny!

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: el ted
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 08:41 AM

I have two daughters, so that's my pension plan sorted!

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 08:34 AM

Go for it girl! Sounds as though El Ted can afford to retire.
J :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Sweetfia
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 08:28 AM

I would love to voice my opinion on what you have just said Dad, but some may find the language offensive...so I will refain, for now.

Anyway, I make my own money, I have two jobs!!

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Sweetfia
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 08:25 AM

Good, i'm glad to hear the wife is keeping the husband in check...and not the other way round...good on'ye Mrs Johnny!

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: el ted
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 08:24 AM

You shouldn't know what it is Sophia. I will have to stop your pocket money!

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 08:22 AM

Tough I can do wi'out! I've got Mrs. Johnny to contend with, and they don't come any tougher!
Cheers M'Dear, :0)
Johnny

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Sweetfia
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 08:20 AM

Hey, i'm tougher than i look...just ask s6k!

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 08:19 AM

Nobbut a lass Ted! I'll be kind to her :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: el ted
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 08:17 AM

Me neither, and I'm her dad johnny!! She is 17 next week on the 18th.

Subject: RE: BS: Legalize Pot?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 08:16 AM

Ah! Why am I not surprised?