BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:23 PM

Royston,
       You obviously still live on the outskirts of Woodstock in 1969! In England, this is how it goes- one group buys a house in your street, then that group and their friends/family club together and buy up every property in the street.
       That was my experience.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:05 PM

george,
i have attacked you in the past and like i said i am sorry for that. however you do not make it easy to understand or to try to defend you, when you don't answer questions put to you.
i am more interested in getting you sorted so that you have a clear enough head to see through the lies you have been told.
if you keep refusing to address the questions or to rethink your' connection to the BNP, then i will have no option than to give you up as a racist the same as the party you not only joined but represented in an election.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:58 PM

Facebook can be used two ways. You do NOT have the only 'roaming servers' in the world, nor are you any different from the Nazis you so ardently defend.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:55 PM

Keep it coming Peace. I haven't insulted anyone on this thread but your last 3 posts have included insults aimed at ............. me. You're such a polite person aren't you?




Joe

Appologies for the thread drift. I will no longer post unless it is in reference to the thread title.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:50 PM

She speaks for and belongs to a party that has targeted musicians. That makes her the same shit they are.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:49 PM

Poor baby. You are fast becoming the garbage that posts on behalf of the BNP. They are scum. YOU picked your friends. They have gone out of their way to hurt musicians. Many of them. I hope the day comes when they can spit on the ground you walk, because after the likes of you have thereon trod it will be useful for little else.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:47 PM

George, I am not attacking you personally, I am pleading with you to explain your position. Sorry if I sound exasparated but, damn, you stood for public office. I've never come across a politician with absolutely nothing to say about their politics and party.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:44 PM

Anyone else want to single me out and attack me personally? Go for your life. I have a thick skin and I've been through a lot worse than you lot can throw at me!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:42 PM

Fairplay, MBSGeorge,

As you are here, please get to the question.

There is all the evidence from Griffin's own mouth and pen that he is a neo-nazi and racist politician. He runs the BNP totally. So the BNP is a neo-nazi and fascist party.

If you and your friends are not neo-nazi or fascist then why do you support the BNP?

Find some other way to express your (apparently different) political viewpoint.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:40 PM

That doesn't work, "George". You hang with scum you become scum.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:38 PM

Fairplay:

The case made here against the BNP is pure assertion. They are a legal, constitutional party who fight elections and win votes

The BNP is a legal party, but we are taking legal actions to try to change that, based on the evidence of its unlawful membership and constiutional articles.

That aside, the danger is that this currently legal party is controlled by a dangerous nazi racist. In his own words (proof already posted several times: the KKK Speech) has a scheme of lying about the true policies and the true end-game of Griffinism until he has gained power and until it is too late then to stop him.

That is why he must be stopped now. It's exactly like being in 1920's Germany and seeing the rise of National Socialism.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:38 PM

Andrew, answer the question idiot. (That's addressed to Fearploy, AKA Fairplay.)

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:37 PM

"From: Lox - PM
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 01:42 PM

Gosh - looks like the BNP supporters on this site have got together to support each other.

Fairplay, MBSGeorge and a couple of guests all posting at the same time."



Don't be ridiculous!! What do you think I did - rang all my little BNP mates and said hey I'm gonna post something now come and say some good stuff after me!! Grow up!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:35 PM

Fearploy: the question. Answer the question. Or fuck off, asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: fairplay
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:34 PM

'Racism' and 'Fascism' are highly-charged terms. They are also highly-loaded and hugely manipulated, and ought to be challenged. To apply these terms to those who want to preserve their own identity and culture is crass, accusatory and aimed at stifling and criminalising a perfectly legitimate aspiration.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:33 PM

The BNP are shit. People who belong to it are shit. It's that simple.

That includes MBS George. That's the kind of stuff YOUR party is doing. You have cut yourself off from a community of people and I feel no sympathy for you at all. BTW, decide on your name for krissake.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:32 PM

And a general question to all the BNP supporters.

Why can none of you answer the essential questions.

There is endless evidence that Nick Griffin and the BNP hardcore are racist, neo-nazi, holocaust denying, fascist politicians. It has been posted here so often it becomes tedious. This evidence is the people, speaking their own words, writing their own articles, books, manifestos.

In spite of all this you still say that you believe that a) BNP politics are not fascist or neo-nazi and b) that you yourselves are not fascist or neo-nazi.

So you have to understand that with all the evidence standing against you, why do you believe something different?

If you can't provide some explanation for why you do, and we should, think differently of the BNP then why should we believe that you are not simply as racist and fascist as the party you advocate?

C'mon, help us out here.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:26 PM

""The case made here against the BNP is pure assertion. They are a legal, constitutional party who fight elections and win votes""


Here's an example for you that is fact, not assertion, regarding your legal, constitutional, apology for a political party. Apparently identity theft is now legal, and constitutional, according to the filth that you and MBS George so misguidedly espouse.


Richard Bridge, John Barden (Barden of England), Fisheye, myself, and several other Catters are being cloned on Facebook, as Folkies Supporting the British Nazi Party.

A photo of me, stolen from a U-Tube Video has been superimposed on a BNP poster, so it purports to show me playing in front of Nick Griffin.

It has been put up on a false profile, with no background information, and I have been forced today, to sit down with my grandchildren, and explain that "No! Grandad isn't a Nazi racist, but the people who are pretending to be him ARE!"

How does that make YOU feel MBS George, assuming you still have feelings?

For any of you who see this, until I manage to persuade Facebook that it isn't me, let me assure you that the only way I would support that scum is with a good strong rope, applied correctly with a hangman's knot.

Ditto Facebook. If they can't, or won't, remove that filth, I will have nothing to do with them.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:26 PM

Fairplay:

As for radicalism, the left abandoned the struggle against capitalism in favour of 'cultural marxism': i.e. patronising ethnic minorities, promoting 'diversity' and multiculturalism (even when those cultures are reactionary), sneering at the white working class they used to champion, and working to eliminate national boundaries. How very convenient for international capitalism and globalization.

The left never supported *the white* working class, against and over the interests of any other type of working class, it supported and continues to champion the working class of our species regardless of colour, race, creed and nation.

What is convenient for capitalism and the Bush/Blair neocon vision of a west-dominated globalisation is the existence of divisive forces such as fascism and nationlism, of which the BNP is a leading light.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:20 PM

"Immigration depresses wages but not for the liberal elite."

Fearploy posted the above a while back. STILL waiting for proof.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:18 PM

A Rees:

Most are from Europe. They came here to work, and they did, and worked long hours. Even that has changed. They brought their wives and girlfriends over and started rearing families. The couple next to me have three kids. He is a skilled engineer, he admitted to me it would not pay him to work now with what he is able to claim from the government as an unemployed father of three children supporting a partner.

So it *is* OK, by you, for Eastern Europeans to come here, work hard, pay taxes and contribute to our country.

But apparently they should not be allowed to raise a family?

And when things go wrong for them, they should be less entitled to state-support than any other taxpayer?

You describe the so-called "benefit trap". This is a fact of the benefits system but it has nothing to do with being Black, White, European, Christian or Muslim. Go to a "white" area and there will be x% of Aryan Volk who are in the same boat. I'm not excusing it, but it certainly isn't a reason to pick on some parts of society and to vote BNP is it?

Rees, I don't know if you are a BNP Troll or a genuine person so I am pointing out *how you sound*. Can you think about what you wrote, and how it sounds and if necessary come back and explain things better to correct any misunderstanding on my part, or by others?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Royston
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:11 PM

Paco Rabanne

The BNP gets votes because in some areas of England the indigenous population is swamped by muslim immigrants who have their own agenda.How do I know that? It happened to me.

Personal experience is always valid, if it is backed up with facts. Where do you live, how long have you lived there? In what way have you personally been affected detrimentally by a "swamping" of or by anyone? I'd like to understand your viewpoint.

----------------

A Rees:

Take the area I live. Twenty years ago it was a beautiful quiet owner/occupier residential development. If you were off on annual leave you never saw anyone as they were all working. Today it's different. Greedy land lands buy up everything that comes on the market and rent out to people who have neither respect for their property or their neighbours

What area is that? Don't you think that the whole country has been affected by greedy landlords and vile neighbours? Is it peculiar to eastern Europeans?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:03 PM

The BNP crap that posts here doesn't give evidence. It provides allegations. Always has, always will.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 02:01 PM

For a breakdown of Engineers salaries look here

Starting salaries 18,000 to 29,000

Qualified engineers (yours was apparently skilled) 35,000 - 45,000

Experienced engineers (maybe this suits your "skilled" category) 65,000


I can tell you for a fact that a single parent receives the maximum income support at just over £50 a week. Child benefit (available to everyone) £20, child tax credit £45 a week.

Beyond that, a single parent may claim their exact rent in housing benefit.

In most cities in England this equates to about 16,000 a year.


A two parent family DOES NOT QUALIFY as only one parent is needed to provide care for the child.


So,

1, they would not qualify

2, they would not have anything like the same income as a "skilled" engineer.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 01:52 PM

"He is a skilled engineer, he admitted to me it would not pay him to work now with what he is able to claim from the government as an unemployed father of three children supporting a partner."


Please provide evidence of this?


I am a single parent. I have depended on income support, though I don't do so now and I know how much you get and I know who qualifies and who doesn't.

I am fully informed on this subject and know for a fact that your claims are not true.


Where is your evidence?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 01:42 PM

Gosh - looks like the BNP supporters on this site have got together to support each other.

Fairplay, MBSGeorge and a couple of guests all posting at the same time.


The case against the BNP on this site has been fully supported by testimony from the Party leader himself.

Here he gives the KKK a lecture on how to package racism in politically correct language.

Here he denies the holocaust.


Here he argues that boats containing immigrants to europe should be sunk to keep them out and the immigrants left to "go back to Libya" on life rafts.


That's just the tip of the iceberg as evidence of the BNP's vile character goes.

I will leave it to other catters to post the rest of the evidence.


MBSGeorge, Fairplay etc, do you reject Nick Griffins views as expressed in these videos or do you agree with him?


Can you provide evidence that the organizations you have discredited have anything shady about their past or are your comments fiction?



The evidence overwhelmingly shows the BNP to be a neo-Nazi political organization.


If you don't want to be described as a neo-Nazi, then don't support, sign up to or represent a neo-Nazi party.


By doing so you are making it public that you support/represent a neo--Nazi ideology.


Do you support this ideology or do you reject it?


I think this is your big opportunity to clarify this point.


I will not accept reasons, I don't care why people may or may not have turned to the BNP, I expressly wish to know if you support or reject Nick Griffins views as expressed in the above videos.

I also wish to know if you support or reject the BNP's neo-Nazi ideology.


Where do you stand George?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 11:48 AM

The case made here against the BNP is pure assertion. They are a legal, constitutional party

That year after year fail to submit their accounts on time. Just been fined another £500.00 this year, by the Electoral Commission.

They are not even competent racists.

I have never been and never will be racist but unfortunately people seem unable to look past the "label".

A candidate for the BNP in Chippenham not a racist? Have you told the party?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: fairplay
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 11:27 AM

As for radicalism, the left abandoned the struggle against capitalism in favour of 'cultural marxism': i.e. patronising ethnic minorities, promoting 'diversity' and multiculturalism (even when those cultures are reactionary), sneering at the white working class they used to champion, and working to eliminate national boundaries. How very convenient for international capitalism and globalization.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,A.Rees
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 10:26 AM

Gervase, What people have to understand is a lot of people in Britain who voted for the Bnp at European and council level are no more a racist than I am. There is a problem in a lot of areas with Europeans.

Take the area I live. Twenty years ago it was a beautiful quiet owner/occupier residential development. If you were off on annual leave you never saw anyone as they were all working. Today it's different. Greedy land lands buy up everything that comes on the market and rent out to people who have neither respect for their property or their neighbours.

Most are from Europe. They came here to work, and they did, and worked long hours. Even that has changed. They brought their wives and girlfriends over and started rearing families. The couple next to me have three kids. He is a skilled engineer, he admitted to me it would not pay him to work now with what he is able to claim from the government as an unemployed father of three children supporting a partner.

The government even pay the rent on the house he lives in and he doesn't have council tax to worry about either.

In one part alone, twelve of the fourteen houses are occupied by Europeans, few speak English and only three of the residents work. All seem to enjoy a charmed lifestyle, who is paying for it ?

This is reflected up and down the country, if you don't see this leading to problems, you must be blind.

I agree with people coming into the country to work and improve themselves and benefit our society, but come on it has got totally out of control and public services can't cope with the numbers.I am the one feeling in a minority now.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Gervase
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 10:00 AM

I have never been and never will be racist but unfortunately people seem unable to look past the "label". Facism seems more rife against the BNP than within.
It seems perverse to stand for election for a party about which you clearly know very little. The BNP is, by its own admission, a racist organisation. By endorsing its views, George, you are going to be labelled as a racist.
Have you really not followed any of the links given to the truth behind the BNP? Have you not considered any of the questions put?
If you have, and you still support the BNP, then you are a racist and a fascist, and I imagine that your circle of 'friends' will be very narrow indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 09:42 AM

I'm not getting involved in this particular can of worms, but I did follow the link to Nick Griffin's blog, in which he talks about alleged vote rigging.
Speaking as one who has worked as a poll clerk at many elections locally, I consider these allegations to be compete and utter twaddle, and an insult to hard working election officials.
And that's all I wish to say.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 09:38 AM

The BNP gets votes because in some areas of England the indigenous population is swamped by muslim immigrants who have their own agenda.How do I know that? It happened to me.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: fairplay
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 09:24 AM

The case made here against the BNP is pure assertion. They are a legal, constitutional party who fight elections and win votes, which is more than can be said for the UAF-SWP and other advocates of "confrontation" (read intimidation and violence). The Searchlight/Hope Against Hate outfit also has a murky past.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 08:51 AM

goerge,
i understand that though you might not be racist, you have aligned yourself with a party that is. please have a look at their history. when they cannot get their way through reasonable disscusion, they bully and use violence to get what they want.
although i nearly understand the problems you face,but they are not the answer.

ake, lol :)

this problem is coming from the main parties, no question about that. but the BNP are using it to tell the public what they want to hear, not only without the slightest intention of keeping their word, but to use their power for their own nasty agenda.

this is why we cannot give up. we have to let people know that they are being used and lied to.
personally i cannot tolerate what they stand for but it is their right to say what they want, IF and it is a very big if, they are honest of their intentions from the start.

dishonesty is one of my pet hates thes same as not taking personal responsability.(?) okay it is first thing in my morning and my brain doesn't work........(fill in the blank)

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:09 AM

MBSGeorge. "you sir are not my friend"

By God. You can say that again.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,Don
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 07:08 AM

Well said MBSGeorge, there are a lot here that share your views.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:29 AM

I don't realy care about your opinion Mr McCormick or is it Mr Bridge I have read everything you have to say and the only opinions I care about are those of my friends and you sir are not my friend. Your comments are among the most fascist I have ever seen.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:27 AM

""The fact of the matter is that BNP support is, on a national scale, tiny, and went down in the recent Euro-elections. Where the BNP is dangerous is on the streets where its supporter thugs attack on Redwatch commands: no model for any democratic society.

If you want to see how intellectually bankrupt the BNP is, visit Nick Griffin's blog .   It is frankly beneath contempt.""

How many Germans thought of the Nazi party as a future government in 1928?

These scum MUST be confronted at every chance. To ignore them is to open the door to armageddon once again.

Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 06:19 AM

MBS George. Practically every racist I've ever known has denied being a racist. The BNP deny it. The National Front deny it. But they still want to empty the country of everyone they feel doesn't belong here by virtue of the colour of their skin, and that is racism. By their deeds shall ye know them.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 05:41 AM

"From: Emma B - PM
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 08:22 PM

"but they are utterly blind to discrimination on grounds of race where it occurs and dismiss the whole thing as a load of twaddle."

Sorry Lox, but our Conservative 'Cllr', mudcatter and friend is as anti racist as anyone I know.

Ok I know a generalization but ......"

I have never been and never will be racist but unfortunately people seem unable to look past the "label". Facism seems more rife against the BNP than within.

MBS George

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:49 AM

Spleen Cringe....sorry to disappoint you, but I am as much of a radical as you are ever likely to encounter.

Radicalism today, does not consist of engineering a huge lumpen working class to ensure the future of the Capitalist system and incidentally increase their reliance on the money supply and enable their addiction to consumerism.

Capitalism has been shown recently as simply a means of robbing the populace....something radicals have known for some time.

The banks over reach themselves, through unbridled greed, made easier by the govt's search for ever increasing economic growth(a necessity for the survival of Capitalism), then the taxpayers are robbed of the funds needed to set the banks back on their feet, ready to start the cycle all over again....But not only taxpayers have been robbed, the situation has given govt the excuse to cut public spending on important social issues right across the board.

Radicals are no longer prepared to support this system, and are questioning the "Quisling" nature of "Democratic liberalism"

The important thing is not to allow ourselves to be organised for the benefit of those who rule us....defend free speech, freedom of thought, and search for happiness and fulfillment in our short time on the planet.
Humanity suffers from economic slavery right now...just as wrong as the physical slavery of other races, which we all rightly condemn...yet we all ignore the condition of society today, because "there is no other option"....no real radical would ever believe that shit!

The BNP?.....Grow up,we are all the BNP somewhere in the back of the specially prepared brains we have been given. Throughout the generations of exploitation, we have all aquired our little prejudices, along with the plasma TV, the mondeo, and the house in the suburbs.....or along with the deprivation of living with drugs, violence, teenage prostitution, in some sink estate.
The answer is not to deny those prejudices, but to get them out in the open, put them up for debate.....don't ban free speech....use it!............"Liberalism" just hates debate!...Ake

Good post Jeddy! I understood it all right!   think you might be a real radical, if you can kick the gay marriage thing!...:0)

Brucie Baby......Nobody here has seen me "pissed off"....YET!
I'm OK my friend, thanks,hope you are likewise

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 10:10 PM

Wikipedia on Russ Meyer

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 10:05 PM

The real Russ Meyer was of course a well-known limp-porn film-maker best known for things like "Beyond the Valley of the SuperVixens" and "Pussycat Dolls". The name chosen by the above poster is redolent of the fascination of some of the BNP clones with tits - to the extent of photoshopping the pictures of some of the fake BNP clone profiles on Fakebook to enhance the breasts.

The fact of the matter is that BNP support is, on a national scale, tiny, and went down in the recent Euro-elections. Where the BNP is dangerous is on the streets where its supporter thugs attack on Redwatch commands: no model for any democratic society.

If you want to see how intellectually bankrupt the BNP is, visit Nick Griffin's blog .   It is frankly beneath contempt.

Expect a rash of new rants from the xenophobes since the also ridiculous Daily Mail is sounding off about immigrants again. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of immigrants are hard working decent honest individuals.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,Russ Meyer
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 08:07 PM

Richard, I say old boy, steady on. There is no need for filthy chat like that. Thank you Lox, you are the only one that seemed to understand my post. Nice to see at least one poster is sober tonight !


I repeat, to get two seats in a European parliment you need a lot of people to place a tick beside your name. They also have a number of seats at local council level up and down the country.

Calling these people names and endless cut and paste anti BNP comments isn't going to make them go away. Put pressure on the main parties to address the issues that the rank and file British public want dealt with. There is a lot of decent folk out there who are giving up asking Labour to do their job, the result was two European seats, how many more next June ?

That isn't a pro BNP comment, that is fact.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 07:31 PM

Dunno who russ is - but it seems like he is making the point that we shouldn't trivialise the potential Danger that the BNP poses.

They are a serious bunch who bring violence and hatred into our communities and who would be more dangerous if they weren't held in check by people who are active in campaigning against them.

I believe that you share this view Richard, or have I misunderstood your take on the subject?

I read the comment before yours as a response to Ake's usual irrelevant capitalizing on whatever tenuous link is available to spew up his usual predictable tirade agqinst liberals and the PC Brigade.

I would have read his post as being more about how new labour are no better than the tories if he hadn't poured so much bile into his description of liberal mudcatters.

For the record, - I ain't got much, I'm a single parent and I live in new cross (in south london). Milwall Stadium is just up the road and I can see just how the petri dish of the inner city could easily grow a culture of racism, fear and paranoia if people like the BNP were to be ignored and trivialized.

The threat that the BNP poses is tangible to the point that you can taste it on the air when you are on their turf.

Ake never responded to my evidence on a previous thread which demonstrated that if there was a correlation between immigration and unemployment (which by the way there isn't), then according to the statistics, periods of high immigration have coincided with periods of low unemployment suggesting that immigration, in that context of this facile argument, causes low unemployment.

It is obvious to me that employment levels are influenced by numerous and much more significant other factors than immigration.

I provided this evidence because Ake was suggesting that the opposite was the case - i.e. that foreign immigrants are coming over here taking our jobs etc.

I wonder does he still hold that view?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 06:35 PM

Oh boy what an apt name.

Tits.

Windscreen wipers.

Barrage balloons.

Have you dear Russ bothered to read? Do you know what a question mark is for?

THE BNP VOTE WENT DOWN. IT WAS MINISCULE IN ANY EVENT. LIKE THEIR BRAINS.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,Russ Meyer
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 06:13 PM

"As I said on another thread, the danger to our freedom and rights will not come from the BNP who have almost no support in the country"

Are you not aware they won two seats in the European election recently.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: jeddy
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 05:18 PM

welcome back ake, believe it or not i have missed you.


you are right in some respects, we are becoming too politically correct to even try to address some of the issues we are facing. this is why the main parties are not going to get some real policies. they are too scared of being seen as the bad guys. it would seem that we now have reactionary politians. they react to crises and newpaper articles but do nothing to provent headlines in the first place, in case it is seen to be too full on or won't get public backing.
how can any government run a country like that? ... they can't.
they need to work out what is best for the country not what the public wants, the two sometimes do not go together.


sorry if this makes no sense, other than to me.

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 04:06 PM

Akenaton... surely not an old-school blood 'n' guts style tankie?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 03:20 PM

The conservatives however have nothing useful to say on any of the fronts that Akenaton mentions.

It seems to me that a good start would be some proper Fabian socialists.