BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 03:39 AM

BNP decision maker.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 03:19 AM

Ya know, he even LOOKS stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 03:16 AM

Nick has had a change of heart.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 03:11 AM

Constipated? Kicked in the stones? Farted? Nickie at work . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 03:09 AM

Tellin' the truth again. Hell, twice in a decade . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 03:02 AM

Does anyone have the bnp membership list that was released a few years back?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 02:00 AM

"Richard Barnbrook, London leader of the BNP, has been forced to deny that an erotic movie he produced and directed as a student was a gay porn film."

It's easy to determine that the BNP supports the porn industry in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 01:53 AM

Tomorrow I'll be posting quotes said by the BNP about porn, murder and their love of Nazism.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 01:50 AM

BNP maybe? New candidate?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 01:42 AM

Takes one to know one . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 01:34 AM

Nicky speaks the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 01:32 AM

He looks DASHing in those pumps . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 01:28 AM

Nick Griffin's site says


"Men need to look tough and think they can get any woman."

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 01:26 AM

Gotta love the leader on Friday nights . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 01:12 AM

Telling his supporters they are Number 1 with him.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 12:50 AM

Whattaguy. What an organization.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 12:44 AM

Wow. Whan an inspirational figure he cuts. BTW, it ain't the hat that's pointed, it's his head.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 12:38 AM

Maybe it is because passive racism is endemic to British society

Is it just me or does anyone else find this statement ironic at best and ludicrous at worst?

There seems to be something decidedly wrong with complaining that a whole nation are endemicaly racist. Maybe it is OK. After all, most Blacks are gangsters, most Jews are money lenders and most Irish are thick. They all make sense if we are to believe that most British are racist don't they?

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 12:36 AM

A cartoon: so apt.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 12:27 AM

As a btw, Nick Griffin the bnp chairman has his pic on Google images and he's got his pecker in or near some fellows ass. The guys pants are down and old Nickie has his fly down and his willie hangin' out.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 12:19 AM

"Women more troubled by bag theft than rape, BNP candidate claims


Andrew Gilligan
01.04.08 A senior BNP leader with a strong chance of winning a seat in the London Assembly next month has written that rape is a "myth" and that "some women are like gongs - they need to be struck regularly."

The Standard can reveal that Nick Eriksen, the BNP's London organiser and the second-highest candidate on its list for the Assembly, is the author of "Sir John Bull," a notorious far-Right blog which has regularly advocated hatred and abuse against women. The disclosure will be a serious blow to the BNP's hopes of London electoral success.

On 24 August 2005, Mr Eriksen wrote: "I've never understood why so many men have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the feminazi myth machine into believing that rape is such a serious crime ... Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal.

"To suggest that rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime is like suggesting that forcefeeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence. A woman would be more inconvenienced by having her handbag snatched.

"The demonisation of rape is all part of the feminazi desire to obtain power and mastery over men. Men who go along with the rape myth are either morons or traitors."

On 5 November 2005, in an item entitled "Give her a slap!," Mr Eriksen approvingly quoted Noel Coward as saying: "Some women are like gongs - they need to be struck regularly." On 8 November, he claimed that "the vast majority of domestic [assaults] are initiated by the woman." Mr Eriksen also wrote on 24 November 2005 that mothers "should never go out to work" and described career women as "unnatural and vile... it is a strange kind of woman who would want to invest [her] energies into her job rather than into a man."

Eleven of the 25 Assembly members are elected on a London-wide basis using a form of proportional representation. The BNP is likely to win at least one of these seats, for which it needs around five per cent of the vote, and has strong hopes of winning a second, for which it needs around seven to eight per cent. If the BNP does win two seats, one of them will go to Mr Eriksen and one to London party leader Richard Barnbrook.

Gerry Gable, publisher of the antifascist magazine Searchlight, said: "It is horrifying, and an amazing indictment of the BNP, that someone with these views could be elected to the London Assembly. What is his attitude going to be to his women constituents?"

The author of the Sir John Bull blog, which stopped publication last autumn, is not identified on the website itself. But the Standard established that it is Mr Eriksen by posing as a BNP sympathiser and sending a message to the site's contact email address, [e-mail].

Within two days, Mr Eriksen replied, signing his name, giving Mr Barnbrook's contact number and saying: "As for your kind comments about the blog, I may well restart this after the elections - we shall see what happens! All the best, Nick."

Contacted by the Standard last night, Mr Eriksen admitted the blog postings were written by him, but said they were "deliberately provocative" in order to stimulate debate.

"I was trying to make the point that there are two kinds of rape," he said. "There is stranger rape and there is so-called rape by somebody the woman knows. I was raising an important issue in a provocative way to allow people to make up their own minds."

Mr Eriksen insisted that he "did not condone violence in any way," but was "trying to highlight the fact that violence against men is unacceptable." He said: "It's typical of the media to distort what the BNP say."

Mr Eriksen, a former Tory councillor and ex-civil servant at the Department for Culture, Media and Sport who lives in Richmond, says he will not resign. If he and Mr Barnbrook are elected, BNP leader Nick Griffin says the party will be invited on the BBC's Question Time."

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 07:30 PM

Ah ... that's what they mean when they talk about this or that Combat 18 Cell in swuch and such a town...

I thought they were talking aboutsmall organized groups ...

... now I see that they are groups that have by some fluke managed to gather enough genetic material to form a braincell of their very own ..

... I doubt its encouraged in the ranks though ...

.. it's bound to cause disruption to the master plan ...

... I mean ... imagine ... free critical thought ... (shudder)

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 06:36 PM

Yeah, can't even think of their own names and have to keep cloning ours...

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 06:05 PM

One collective brain cell, Lox.

Bound to keep coming up with the same basic crap.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 05:42 PM

gosh ... creative bunch ...

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 04:45 PM

It appears that there is a UK Column 88 (8 represents the 8th letter of the alphabet, H - so stands for Heil Hitler) and Combat 18 (AH, geddit) and a European Combat 88.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 01:28 PM

I suspect you're thinking of "Combat 18"

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 12:08 PM

I thought I remembered "Combat 88".

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Grendel's Dad
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 11:34 AM

In the early 1970s, the deputy leader of the British Movement was called Michael McLaughlin. (He became No1 after the then leader of the BM, Colin Jordan, was caught stealing women's underwear from a branch of Tesco's. But that's another story.)

Anyway, whether MM was fitted out with the set of duff and deceased brain cells which usually characterises fascists, I know not, but the daft sod put his address on some publicity material. As a result, every member of the anti-fascist left knew exactly where he lived. They also knew that his dwelling was a bungalow on an open plan estate with immediate access to a main road.

In other words, he was a sitting target for being firebombed, or having bricks thrown through his windows, or for being carved up on his doorstep, as happened to someone I know recently. Nothing of the sort ever happened to him. This despite the fact that the British Movement had an extremely vicious para military wing, which came directly under McLaughlin's control, called Column 88.

Sorry Akenton, that's not how we operate, and that's not how we operate because the way to drive fascism into oblivion is through mass action and through exposing the public to the facts about organisations like the BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 07:34 AM

Incidentally, I have not yet seen any antifascist clone the identities of fascists, nor post photoshopped pictures of fascist women with grotesquely enlarged boobs.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 06:39 AM

""PS.... The BNP's response that "It is rather ironic that they are complaining about being attacked when they use similar tactics themselves," is telling.""

Telling indeed Ake, that you subscribe to their contention that their opponent's spoken and written denunciation of their racist, fascist aims and objectives, is somehow equivalent to BNP death threats, and BNP thugs kicking seven barrels of shit out of opponents, but only when they have ten to one superiority in numbers.

I'm surprised that you are prepared to carry your well known liking for playing devil's advocate THAT far.

In this instance you really are supporting the devil.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,Peace
Date: 05 Aug 09 - 01:41 PM

They sure do protect those BNP folks, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Aug 09 - 08:41 AM

keep pounding the "[e-mail]" email addy.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 04 Aug 09 - 06:21 AM

Gervase. Fake Facebook entries. Sorry, but I beat you to it by about a week. Must get round to complaining someday. Can't have people thinking I actually write like that.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Aug 09 - 02:51 AM

Throughout my life, I have had an interest in watching the process of political manipulation,I have seen the "race/religion" cards played by politicians of all persuasions, not just a perquisite of the BNP.
Political manipulation comes in two forms.... overt as in the BNP's mindless call for re-patriation and attempt to encourage the racial friction evident in some parts of our society....and covert as in the current "liberal/democratic" system where more and more of our lives are being controlled by govt, where it is made illegal to speak or think in a certain fashion, on race, sexuality,religion and our every move recorded on government files......but it is a very short step from criminalising racial, sexual, or religious thought, to criminalisation of any criticism of government or government policy.

Of the two forms, "liberalism" in its quest for thought control and its use of Orwellian methods to achieve its aims is by far the most insidious and dangerous to our freedom and social wellbeing.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Aug 09 - 01:58 AM

"Instead of concentrating on the effect of immigrants on our society, we should be looking at the mistakes and betrayals of our administration"

Isn't that exactly what I've been saying?

One of the worst mistakes and betrayals is using such a complex issue, cynically as a tool.

Again you talk about evidence, the problem we are discussing at the moment is the rise of the BNP and there is no doubt that late New Labour immigration policy has contributed to that rise!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 10:46 PM

"I have no connection to the BNP as I think you probably know"

Yes I know, and you also know that I am no witch-hunter.

You can see from this thread alone that my methodology is considerably better than dunking my adversaries to see if they float.


The problem with peoples concerns about immigration is that they are based on a fallacious argument.

It says - immigration is a problem beacause ...

... and then it lists housing, employment, poverty, social welfare, tax, the NHS etc as sub issues under the umbrella of the issue of immigration.


In fact it is the other way round.


There are issues with Housing, unemployment, poverty, social welfare, tax, the NHS etc.

Each of these things has its problems and its issues ...

... of which the consequences of immigration is one of many subheadings.


So it is wrong to describe the issues surrounding these areas as consequences of immigration policy.

It is right to consider immigration as one of the many equally significant contributory factors to the difficulties involved within each of these areas.


With that in mind I will throw your point back at you in a different guise ...

... instead of concentrating on the effect of immigrants on our society, we should be looking at the mistakes and betrayals of our administration.

And I would add that as long as we remain focussed on immigration as "the big issue" we will be playing political football on the BNP's playing field.

That is why I will not accept that or any similar agenda.

Especially as there is still no evidence to support the view that our problems are caused by immigration, mass or otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 06:40 PM

Hi Lox....I have no connection to the BNP as I think you probably know, and am totally against racial discrimination.

However the thread was not about any BNP racist agenda per se, but to discuss why the BNP did not lose as many votes as the major parties in the last election.

From what I have read, increased economic immigration seems to have figured very largely as a reason why some people voted BNP.

I have simply pointed out that encouraging this sort of immigration at this time, showed lack of forethought and political naivety.

Instead of berating the BNP for doing relatively well in the election, we should be berating our government for bad policy making and producing the conditions where the BNP could raise their profile.

Regarding the Guardian article, it looks like the usual tabloid hype, we used to here all the same garbage about left wing groups some of which I was associated with.

They call it scare- mongering.....Ake

PS.... The BNP's response that "It is rather ironic that they are complaining about being attacked when they use similar tactics themselves," is telling.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Gervase
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 06:07 PM

Wow! I've made it! Some BNP nobber has actually made a fake profile of me on Facebook now. Check it out before it's removed: http://www.facebook.com/reqs.php#/profile.php?id=100000005573894
Shhesh guys, you shouldn't have!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 04:14 PM

Ake,

Your point could be useful in the context of a discussion about the pros and cons of the EU and its expansion.

In the context of this thread it is not so useful as this thread is all about the BNP and their racist agenda.

In the context of this thread your views serve to act as justifications of BNP policy.

If it is not your intention to be associated with neo-nazi ideology then you should consider starting another thread in which you can air your views about what you perceive to be wrong with the current "liberal/democratic" administrations policy on the EU and EU expansion.

You are right that any discussion about the EU should not be confused with one about racist ideology, which is what the BNP represent.

This is mainly because any discussion about the reasons for EU expansion and its consequences encompasses a much wider range of issues than just the possible impact on migration and wages.

Consequently you oversimplify the discussion about europe when you reduce it down to issues of migration and wages and you trivialise it when you try squeezing it into a thread about racism and the BNP.

You have taken a simplistic and untested hypothesis about europe and used it as a premiss for an argument that, in this thread, serves to justify BNP support.

I would be very interested to read and possibly engage in any debate on the subject of the EU and the reasons for and consequences of its expansion.

I suspect that it will turn out to be a more involved and complex discussion than you are giving it credit for here.

Take care friends.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Penny S.
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 03:04 PM

Got it.

Threats from the right

There appears to be an Aryan Martyr's Brigade, but it looks as if its the others who are supposed to be the Martyrs.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Penny S.
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 02:11 PM

There was a piece in the paper Guardian today, though I can't find it on line, about anti-racist activists being threatened, and in cases, attacked since the elections. The BNP denies any connection, but the police are active.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 08:51 AM

The fact remains that immigration from Eastern Europe was facilitated/encouraged, by a "liberal/democratic" government, to control wage rates and make our country competitive in a global economy.....it was facilitated by allowing ex communist countries to join the EU....a typical capitalist ploy! and encouraged by Blair and Co who with their usual lack of foresight, failed to anticipate the obvious social problems they would create.

This discussion should have absolutely nothing to do with racism, and perhaps if the socialists here realised that and started shooting at the real enemy, we might start to get somewhere!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 06:50 AM

Haven't read right through this thread, so my point may well have been covered.
Why has the BNP gained votes? - Maybe it is because passive racism is endemic to British society and rises to the surface in times of economic and political insecurity - as the man said "shit floats!"
I don't think it's too unusual that the first response to this question was a redneck racist one; it's pretty much what I have become used to throughout my working life.
My schooling primed me with the idea that we were 'The land of hope and glory" and that to be foreign was, at best, to be 'fettered in errors chains'. About now people will flood into the Albert Hall and demand that "Wider still and wider shall our bounds be set".
So much was racism a part of British life that it became necessary to pass laws to protect people from it.
The BNP is sowing its noxious seed on well prepared grounds.
I don't have an answer, but perhaps a first teetering step might be to take stock of where we're at.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 06:31 AM

Out of overwhelming human curiosity, and the kind of revulsion/compunction which makes you stare at the sight of something you'd rather not look at, I did a breakdown of fairplay's postings on Mudcat. It is as follows:-

            Thread Title                No of postings by fairplay
So why has the BNP gained votes?        15
Anti BNP Protest, Codnor                4
Folk Against Fascism                       4
Growth of Sharia Law Midlands UK         3
Motley Morris banned !                       1
Billy Bragg and incitement to violence        2
What would you do?                        1
I am the BNP candidate in Chippenham        1

Yes, I know, I've got better things to do with my time. But that makes a total of 31 postings since 12 June of this year, the date upon which Mr fp appears to have been signed up to Mudcat. There's a troll among us.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 06:07 AM

""I'm going back to the music...""

Fairplay, you can't go BACK to somewhere you've never been.

You have never posted anywhere other than B.S.

Pretty much all you have posted IS Bulls**t.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Gervase
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 06:06 AM

I'm going back to the music...
*snort*
Are you sure you know where to find it?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: fairplay
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 03:33 AM

The rate of demographic change in the UK is reported annually by the Office of National Statistics. You may welcome the trend, but you can't honestly pretend it's insignificant. You can Google the details, and that goes for the UAF-SWP and its tactics.

It's pointless to continue this discussion. Thanks, Joe, for your fair moderation, and thanks, Royston for your perspective on Islam. I'm going back to the music...

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: jeddy
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 10:56 PM

richard, oh if only it were the other way around!

RIGS,
they did lose votes yes, but they are not a real threat politically speaking, well not yet anyway. what we are hoping to do is to prevent them from becoming a threat by countering all the lies they tell the public. we are trying to stop them taking us down the road of nazi germany, where it is unthinkable to mention folk songs with out people thinking you are still a nazi. i hope this is now changing for the germans.

we may not always agree on how to tackle the problem of how to deal with the BNP, but the one thing we do agree on is that something needs doing now and we are all focused on the end result... reclaiming our heritage and being proud to share it with others.

now i really must try to get some sleep before trying to drive very bendy roads tomorrow.

goodnight all sweet dreams

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 10:09 PM

They seem to be able to speak, it seems to me that no one wants to hear what they are saying.

               But on a point of clarification, earlier in the thread I made a suggestion as to why I thought they may have gained votes, but I was informed by another poster that they actually lost vote, they just didn't lose as many votes as some of the other parties. Is that the case? If so, I wouldn't think they'd pose much of a threat.