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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Riginslinger Date: 02 Feb 10 - 12:55 PM "The main stream media hire professionally educated journalists." Educated by whom? They all say the same things at the same time. Checking their watches and talking points, it seems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Alice Date: 02 Feb 10 - 12:44 PM Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Alice Date: 02 Feb 10 - 12:39 PM The main stream media hire professionally educated journalists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: CarolC Date: 02 Feb 10 - 12:32 PM Why would anyone want to listen to a bullshitter like O'Keefe? |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Riginslinger Date: 02 Feb 10 - 11:45 AM On the other hand, after listening to O'Keefe himself, it's beginning to look like the Mainstrem Media is trying to channel the debate again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Riginslinger Date: 01 Feb 10 - 02:44 PM They got to be pretty stupid to go into Landrieu's office in the first place. What would happen to them if they intercepted a call from the CIA or...? |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: PoppaGator Date: 01 Feb 10 - 02:40 PM The punks claim that they wanted to expose Landrieu's staff for not answering the phone in reponse to opponents of the Senator's position. Numerous letters-to-the-editor in the New Orleans Times-Picayune report satisfaction with the staff's response. Not surprisingly, those among these letter-writers who reveled their opinion on the matter admitted to being supporters of the Senator. (Opponents, of course, would be unlikely to write in Landrieu's defense, regardless of their actual experience.) O'Keefe's position assumes that staff members may have been promptly answering all calls from supporters, but were letting the phone ring on and on unanswered when the caller wanted to express disagreement. How exactly were these staffers supposed to know the opinion of each caller without picking up first? How stupid do these people think the rest of us are? How stupid are THEY? |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Riginslinger Date: 01 Feb 10 - 02:10 PM You're right. It doesn't matter what I think. We need to find out what Ron Davies thinks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: CarolC Date: 01 Feb 10 - 02:02 PM Everyone is entitled to their opinions, Riginslinger, but if no laws were broken (and if they were, I would think that all of the people involved would be prosecuted), then it doesn't really matter what you think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Riginslinger Date: 01 Feb 10 - 01:55 PM "Was it illegal to have the director's brother pay the money back over time?" Frankly, I think it was. If not, it was certainly unethical. These people work off donations and grants from government entities. It's not the same thing as a family member taking money from his father's company. The public was damaged. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: CarolC Date: 01 Feb 10 - 01:34 PM They didn't demonstrate a lack of competence in the people manning the ACORN offices at all. In fact, given what the people manning that particular office were doing, they demonstrated that they are doing a great job. They were trying to help someone they thought was trying to hide from an abusive pimp. This is a good thing. Was it illegal to have the director's brother pay the money back over time? |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Riginslinger Date: 01 Feb 10 - 08:11 AM They aren't fabricating anything. They've demonstrated that the people manning the ACORN offices are not competent; that's all. Re: The director's brother: The management cooked up a deal where the money would be paid back over time and the decision was made not to prosecute. They're working with other people's money. They can't proceed that way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: CarolC Date: 01 Feb 10 - 12:15 AM The rest of the organization conspired to cover it up? Please provide some evidence for this allegation. But they can't demonstrate how undeserving ACORN is of public support if they are fabricating what they say happened. I said before (many times) that the questions that we were hearing on the video were probably not the same ones that the ACORN workers were being asked, because we never saw those questions actually being asked. And I also said that we never saw what the "pimp" was wearing. If you falsify what you are accusing people of saying and doing, you are not highlighting any flaws with the people you are accusing. You are highlighting your own flaws. Flaws that have become even more apparent with this latest scam. These scam artists are criminals, and nothing they do or say deserves to be taken seriously. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Riginslinger Date: 31 Jan 10 - 11:48 PM What ACORN did to break the law was done at the top. The brother of the boss embezzled funds and the rest of the organization conspired to cover it up. What they did with the sting operation was simply to demonstrate how undeserving they are of public support. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: CarolC Date: 31 Jan 10 - 03:00 PM That's pretty much exactly what I was saying at the time, Alice. Nice to finally see some confirmation of it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Alice Date: 31 Jan 10 - 12:54 PM Interesting article I found today about O'Keefe: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7675 -snip- "You may also not have known that while both independent reports, the other one by the Congressional Research Service [PDF], found no criminal wrong doing by ACORN, they did find that O'Keefe likely the broke the law in at least two states by secretly recording the videos which had voice-overs deceptively edited into them later, "in some cases substantially," according to Harshbarger's report, so that it was "difficult to determine the questions to which ACORN employees are responding."' Until I read this article, I didn't know that O'Keefe had gone in to the ACORN offices dressed like a student in slacks and a button down shirt, not in that "pimp" outfit that you always see in the news videos on tv. He pretended to be the friend of a girl who was trying to get away from an abusive pimp when he went into the ACORN offices. The hooker and pimp costumes were filmed separately, but gave the impression that they went into the offices dressed that way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Donuel Date: 31 Jan 10 - 12:12 PM Not so fast. O'Keefe has 32 Congressmen who can vouch for his ambitious patriotism. Can't you feel that this guy will never serve a day in federal prison? For now he will get a bit of pressure to start naming names. If everyone sticks to one story, he's free but fined. Suppose everyone walks away from him. Micheal Moore might step in to save his ass with a million dollar defense. Its the kind of thing he might do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Greg F. Date: 31 Jan 10 - 11:09 AM O'Keefe is only following Palin's lead: They're only in it for the money. Lets hope he and his four other buddies have a fine time in Federal prison- after all, its a Federal felony. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Jim Dixon Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:52 PM Stephen Colbert had an interesting comment last night: It's all part of a plot to infiltrate the federal prison system. "But I hate to think where he's going to hide his camera." |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Charley Noble Date: 28 Jan 10 - 05:02 PM Will maybe O'Keefe was hoping to generate more interest in his life story by getting arrested. Has anyone thought that one through? I'm sure there are now several film makers that would like to run with a film version of this episode. Of course he may not have actually thought it through himself; he may actually go to jail. So sad! Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: CarolC Date: 28 Jan 10 - 02:41 PM Sometimes nothing is a good thing to have happen, if the alternative is what the cowboy vigilantes like this bunch have to offer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Riginslinger Date: 28 Jan 10 - 02:38 PM Still, without cowboy vigilantes, nothing would happen at all... |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Bobert Date: 28 Jan 10 - 02:20 PM This is something that is gonna happen when cowboy vigilantes are rewarded... |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: CarolC Date: 28 Jan 10 - 01:18 PM 60 minutes would have more sense than to do what these crackpots did, because their lawyers would tell them they could go to prison for it if they did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: pdq Date: 28 Jan 10 - 01:14 PM They had listening devices to record the reaction of Landrieau staffers. If 60 Minutes of any orher "gottcha" news organisation had done this it would be considered justifiable because it is in the public interst to know what tricks our elected officials are pulling (such as turning off phones when the people are outraged at the elected party). |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: CarolC Date: 28 Jan 10 - 01:12 PM Correction: Even if they were only going to record the office's response to the phones not working. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: CarolC Date: 28 Jan 10 - 01:10 PM By the way, it can't be argued in either of those scenarios that there was no intention to tamper. Even if they were only going to record the office's response to the phones working, they would have to disable the phone in order for it not to work. Disabling the phone is tampering with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: CarolC Date: 28 Jan 10 - 01:06 PM They did intend to surveil the office, though, because the guy manning the getaway vehicle had listening devices in the vehicle with him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: pdq Date: 28 Jan 10 - 01:03 PM Two possibilities, but wiretapping is not one of them... Revealed(?): What O'Keefe was really up to posted at 9:07 pm on January 27, 2010 by Allahpundit Share on Facebook | regular view As you'll see, an AP reporter who turned up on Matthews's show this afternoon was apparently on the right track. According to a law enforcement source who talked to NBC, the point wasn't to wiretap Landrieu's phones. It was to figure out why so many people had trouble getting through to the office when they called to complain about the ObamaCare "Louisiana Purchase." Instead, the official says, the men, led by conservative videomaker James O'Keefe, wanted to see how her local office staff would respond if the phones were inoperative. They were apparently motivated, the official says, by criticism that when Sen. Landrieu became a big player in the health care debate, people in Louisiana were having a hard time getting through on the phones to register their views. That is, the official says, what led the four men to pull this stunt — to see how the local staffers would react if the phones went out. Would the staff just laugh it off, or would they express great concern that local folks couldn't get through? I'm not sure what would have constituted "great concern." Staffers asking how long it'll be until the phones are fixed? Staffers bursting into tears at the thought that constituents might have to deal with a busy signal for a few hours? Presumably the idea was for O'Keefe to bait them by innocently asking if they'd ever had a phone outage before, to which the reply would ideally be, "Oh yeah, we took them off the hook during the ObamaCare uproar." Be sure to read Ace's post noting the two subtly but crucially different possibilities here. If theory one is correct, that O'Keefe and company were trying to determine whether Landrieu's staff had disabled the phones at any point to avoid angry voters, then arguably they didn't "interfere" with anything. If theory two is correct, that O'Keefe and company intended to disable the phones themselves to see how the staff would react, well, that sure sounds like "interfering." |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 28 Jan 10 - 12:33 PM Let this be a lesson. It is very dangerous for someone in the "invincible" age group to embrace "tea bag" politics. Being willfully ignorant of reality and also young and reckless is a dangerous combination. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Riginslinger Date: 28 Jan 10 - 12:05 PM If you could be prosecuted for stupidity, there wouldn't be a politician left on the streets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 28 Jan 10 - 11:37 AM The guy did bad. It is good to know that various Conservative pundits (Beck, Malkin, and Buchanon quoted in an LA Times story) have criticized O'Keefe, et. al. He and his cohorts deserve to be prosecuted for criminal behavior as well as stupidity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: GUEST,Mariner Date: 28 Jan 10 - 06:33 AM Lucky for him that he doesn't have an Arabic name or he would be looking at life, no matter what his intentions were. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Donuel Date: 28 Jan 10 - 02:57 AM Congressional Resolution # 802 drafted by 32 Republican Cngressmen... "THe people of the United States owes a debt of gratitude to Mr. James O'Keefe for his patriotic duty and courage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Donuel Date: 28 Jan 10 - 02:54 AM story 4 days old* Get over it These are good ol boys. They should pay a trespassing fine and be done with it unless foaming libruls try to cruxify these boys. Besides everyone knows Landrieu is a crook. * This post is in lieu of Doug, Q queer silence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: CarolC Date: 28 Jan 10 - 02:23 AM What next with these wacky righties??? Prison? |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Riginslinger Date: 27 Jan 10 - 09:15 PM It's too bad in a way. ACORN really deserved it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: katlaughing Date: 27 Jan 10 - 07:55 PM Already noted HERE, BUT that thread is so long, it won't hurt to have a new one, eh?:-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Bobert Date: 27 Jan 10 - 07:50 PM Hey, the boy will get up and say "I accept personal responsibility", then write a book, make millions of dollars and be right back in the fold... That is the formula these days for righties... Let a leftie get a friggin' parkin' ticket and it's like gettin' a life sentence from the Repubocrits... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Amos Date: 27 Jan 10 - 07:41 PM My, oh, my!! Shades of the Watergate Plumbers Union!! Amazing how precious these folks are about criminality of all kinds except when it is their own... |
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Subject: BS: ACORN StingBoy Stings Self... From: Bobert Date: 27 Jan 10 - 07:40 PM Well, well, well... Seems that the darling of the right, James O'Feefe, who set up an ACORN sting has been arrrested for tryin' to bug the phones of Democratic Congresswaoman, Mary Landrieu??? What next with these wacky righties??? |
