Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Susan of DT Date: 24 Mar 99 - 08:09 PM What's the Life of a Man (any more than the leaves), see DT |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Bri/ain Date: 24 Mar 99 - 12:25 AM I have a fiend who sings aversion of "a nobleman's wedding. There is a version of it in Sam Henry's Songs of The People. The last verse he sings: All sobbing and sighing she rose from the table All sobbing and sighing she went to her bed. And early the next morning, when the bride groom He awakened He went to embrace her and found she was dead. Oh Annie, lovely Annie I knew you never loved me For your love and my love could never agree for I have seperated you from your true lover And that seperated the bark from the tree. Pretty grim, but makes the point. Beidh Me/ ag caint libh ari/s le cu/na De/ Le meas, Bri/ain
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Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Penny Date: 23 Mar 99 - 06:38 PM In one of my rescued BBC school song books there's a Welsh song called the Holly Tree, with a foldiroldirol chorus. |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Date: 21 Mar 99 - 01:27 PM 'The Weeping Willow' by Padraigin Ni Uallachain (Wife of Len Graham) Ireland It is on ' When I Was Young ' a collection of children's songs from Ireland. FONN CD001 Distributed by Gael linn |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: mm Date: 21 Mar 99 - 05:36 AM The lament for Cill Cais (translated, it starts: "What shall we do now for timber, the last of the woods is down...") reminds me of another song in Irish, An Droigne n Donn - The Hawthorn Tree - in which a boy is addressed as a hawthorn. |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Night Owl Date: 21 Mar 99 - 12:39 AM "Lilac bush and an Apple Tree"-Kate Wolfe. One of the strongest songs I've ever heard. (Sorry....it's not Celtic) |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Susan A-R Date: 20 Mar 99 - 11:56 PM Old apple tree we wassail thee and here's hoping thou wil't bear For the Lord doth know where we may go to be merry another year To grow well and to bear well, and merry let us be Let every man lift up his glass and a health to the old apple tree (Noel Sing we Clear does this one. also a lovely one Green grows the holly, so doth the ivy The winter blast blows ne'er so hard green grows the holly There's a verse for each season (All around me brain cells are dying) same source as above.) Sweet Pinery boy/River in the Pines are both about raftsmen who bring down the logs. frequently at cost to life and imb.
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Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Philippa Date: 20 Mar 99 - 11:49 AM You could try out the lament for Cill Chais, available at this site: http://ingeb.org/songs/cillchai.html
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Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: dolemans@bconnex.net Date: 20 Mar 99 - 09:30 AM Moving off the Celtic tradition a bit, don't forget the lovely Cajun song by the Balfa Freres, En Basd'un Chene Vert. This can be found on Arhoolie Record and features Dewey Balfa, Marc Savoy and D. L. Menard. A good listen. |
Subject: Lyr Add: Land of the Silver Birch^^ From: Jerry Friedman Date: 30 Aug 98 - 04:01 PM Tim, I think the song Alison had in mind is one I learned as a child:
Land of the silver birch,
Chorus:
High on a rocky ledge Chorus There was at least one more verse; it ended "Hills of the north." I'd be interested in the origin of this song. |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: JB3 Date: 29 Aug 98 - 05:18 AM Look under the title: seven virgins and you'll find a couple of versions in the database. The one I sing is the same as that recorded by Norma Waterson. This is a lovely song! Cheers, June |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: belter Date: 27 Aug 98 - 01:44 PM There's a song called Tree Of Life. Does anyone know who sings it? |
Subject: Lyr Add: WOODLAND WALTZ^^^ From: skw@worldmusic.de Date: 27 Aug 98 - 03:26 AM I was going to submit the lyrics for 'The Yew Tree' by Brian MacNeill, one of my all-time favourite songwriters, but I have to type them out first. Should take a week or two. Meanwhile, here is another tree song. - Susanne
Woodland Waltz (by Jim King)
Chorus:
Hornbeam and willow, maple and elm
The tropical rainforest burns day and night
The scale of destruction eases production
If you've no objection to making a buck
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Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca Date: 01 Aug 98 - 01:33 PM The Land of the Muskeg and the Shining Birch Tree is indeed Canadian, by Wade Helmsworth. He also wrote The Logdriver's Waltz, The Log Jam Song, and The Blackfly Song. I've always like The Holly And The Ivy, but it is a seasonal song.
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE WILLOW From: Maelgwyn Date: 31 Jul 98 - 02:25 PM Nomos does a song that goes something like this: I love the trees, the willow and the hazel The apple tree, the blackthorn The silver birch trees standing in the moonlight I love them all. I can't remember the rest of it. I heard another song on the Thistle and Shamrock. I don't remember who sings it though. It's called 'The Willow': It was underneath the weeping willow tree When you swore undying love for me How sweet the promise that could never be How sweet the ? we never came to see. CHORUS: I sat beneath the willow tree and wept For promises we made and never kept It's here for every footstep as you left Beneath the willow tree I sat and wept Who can know the thoughts and reasons of the heart That tear a love into pieces and apart That leaves a stone where once a flower bloomed That turns the world a deeper shade of blue. CHORUS It was underneath a weeping willow tree She lay within your arms so peacefully I stood upon the hill and watched you there You never saw me through her golden hair. ^^ |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: JB3 Date: 17 Jul 98 - 06:23 AM Earlier in this thread, the second line to "All "Round My Hat" was omitted. It should read: All 'round my hat for a twelve-month and a day Cheers |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Date: 12 Jul 98 - 12:53 PM How about Gordon Bok's recording of the traditional tune "The Arbutus" (on "Return to the Land", Folk Legacy CD-118)? Cheers, -- Arne Langsetmo
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Subject: Lyr Add: BONNY PORTMORE^^^ From: Dan Mulligan Date: 12 Jul 98 - 03:17 AM Did anyone suggest "Bonny Portmore?" One of my favorite celtic "tree songs." BONNY PORTMORE
Oh Bonny Portmore, you shine where you stand,
Oh Bonny Portmore I am sorry to see
All the birds in the forest they bitterly weep |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: JB3 Date: 12 Jul 98 - 01:28 AM Sorry - got cut off in the middle. I was wondering about the connection between these verses and the first verse to the trees they do grow high. Why is it considered bad luck to love a young tree? Was it considered bad for the lad to have been wed so young in the trees song? They never mention the cause of the young man's death in the three versions I know of the song. "All 'Round My Hat" is another song that uses the willow as a symbol of false or absent love, as does "The Seeds of Love". I just looked up the version of "All "Round My Hat" and found that it's fairly different from the one I sing. All "Round My Hat"
All 'round my hat I will wear the green willow
My love he was fair and my love he was kind, too
Oh, will my love be true and will my love be faithful The first verse is used as a chorus.
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Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: JB3 Date: 12 Jul 98 - 01:12 AM I've been away two weeks on vacation and was interested to see what turned up on this thread. A common theme that I mentioned before is a taboo about a woman placing her affection on a young green-growing tree. I'm sure you've heard it in "On Top of Old Smokey":
Come all you young maidens Does anyone know the origin of this idea? It makes me wonder if the first verse to "Young, But daily growing" or "The Trees They do Grow High" |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Susan-Marie Date: 07 Jul 98 - 12:17 PM Regarding references to willows, I read somewhere that willows turn up in love songs because the trailing branches of the weeping willow provide a hidden trysting place. |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: AndyG Date: 07 Jul 98 - 06:41 AM Logs to Burn, is a favourite of mine, and it's in the database. A firewood-selling song from Johnny Collins.
AndyG |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Cuilionn Date: 07 Jul 98 - 03:58 AM Martin, Could ye get me any information on that Celtic Tree SOngs workshop at th' festival, or contact info for th' fellow whae tocht it? It sounds like a brilliant bit o' wairk, an' I'd dearly love tae get my hands on notes or a gatherin' o' th' music tae which he referred! An' tae th' rest o' ye: Ye've gi'en me a grand treasure here, an' plenty o' tunes tae fill in th' gaps o' my ain lairnin'. Th' songs ye suggestit are lovely... Tho' tae be sure I wasnae expectin' th' Lumberjack Song tae show up here at a'! Must hae been posted by some auld sap whae's oot on a limb... Tapadh leibh, --Cuilionn |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Date: 30 Jun 98 - 11:14 PM |
Subject: Lyr Add: LUMBERJACK SONG From: Pete M Date: 30 Jun 98 - 04:19 AM Lumberjack song transcribed from Monty Python recording
Oh, I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK.
I cut down trees, I eat my lunch, I go to the lavat'ry.
I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK, I sleep all night and I work all day.
I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK, I sleep all night and I work all day. [Chorus departs with various cries of "oh, this is too much!" and "Pooftah!" etc.]
Pete M
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Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Pete M Date: 30 Jun 98 - 04:03 AM "Oak and Ash and Thorn" [A Tree Song] is a poem by Kipling, "I'm a lumberjack and I'm Ok" is from Monty Python. I'll try and dig out the rest of the words Pete M |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: leprechaun Date: 30 Jun 98 - 02:04 AM I seem to remember a staid olde English troupe of some sort doing a song that went: Oh I'm a lumberjack and I'm O.K. I sleep all night and I work all day. I chop down trees, I eat my lunch, I go to the lavat'ry On Wednesdays I go shopping For crumpets, scones and tea. There were some other significant verses, but I can't seem to remember them now. |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Bert C Date: 29 Jun 98 - 01:00 PM Eileen McGann's REQUIEM (FOR THE GIANTS) is an incredibly beautiful piece lamenting the demise of the virgin forests of North America. If it doesn't bring tears to your eyes, you're not paying attention. Bert C |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: aldus Date: 29 Jun 98 - 12:35 PM One of the most beautiful of all "tree" songs is Bonny Portmore. It is about the cuuting down of Irish trees to build Enlish Ships. It is on a wonderful Album by Loreena MacKennit called "The Visit". You will find this version in the database. |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Largo Date: 29 Jun 98 - 08:33 AM Not too sure 'bout tree-songs in Gaedhlig, but maybe some in Russian could help you? Cheers, Largo |
Subject: Lyr Add: OAK, ASH, AND THORN^^^ From: harpgirl Date: 29 Jun 98 - 08:24 AM I like OAK AND ASH AND THORN [A Tree Song], as well Of all the trees that grow so fair old England to adorn, Greater are none beneath the sun than oak and ash and thorn. Oak of the clay lived many a day o'er ever Aeneas began. Ash of the loam was a lady at home and brut was an outlaw man And thorn of the down saw new Troy town from which was London born. Witness hereby the ancient try of oak and ash and thorn. Yew that is old in churchyard mould, he breedeth a mighty bow. Alder for shoes do wise men choose and beech for cups also; But when you have killed and your bowl it is filled and your shoes are clean outworn, Back you must speed for all that you need to oak and ash and thorn. Elm she hates mankind and waits till every gust be laid, To drop a limb on the head of him that anyway trusts her shade; But whether a lad be sober or sad or mellow with ale from the horn, He'll take no wrong when he lyeth along 'neath oak and ash and thorn. Oh, do not tell the priest our plight or he would call it a sin; But we've been out in the woods all night a-conjuring summer in; And we bring you good news by word of mouth, good news for cattle and corn. Now is the sun comes up from the south by oak and ash and thorn. From John Roberts and Tony Barrand "Dark Ships in the Forest" Folk Legacy 1977 ^^ |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Martin Pearson Marina.Hurley@utas.com.au Date: 28 Jun 98 - 10:00 PM Danny Spooner did an entire hour workshop on Celtic tree songs at this years National Australian Folk Festival, including the exploration of Jack in the Green and his evolution into Robin Hood. Robyn Williams (hope I spelt that right) has a woodcutters song I think Oak logs will warm you well That are old and dry Logs of pine will sweetly smell But the sparks will fly etc. Not exactly your celtic ambient faerie ring plant an oak over me kind of thing though. |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: harpgirl Date: 28 Jun 98 - 09:04 PM how about The Woodcutter's Song? |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE WOODTURNERS LOVE SONG^^^ From: Bill D Date: 28 Jun 98 - 06:05 PM Cut and pasted from an earlier thread. Since I deal with the insides of trees, I look for songs about the uses and mythology of 'wood', whether for burning or turning. THE WOODTURNER'S LOVE SONG If I had a piece of Maple, white or red or pink, I'd turn you a set of chair legs, so you could set and think. And when you set and think, love, I hope you'll think of me; For I'd like to be there in you thoughts, if not in your company. If I had a piece of Coachwood, white and fine and pure, I'd turn you a handle smooth and round, a handle for your door. And when I'd come to see you, you could make that handle spin, And open up the door, my love, and let your true love in. If I had a piece of Silky Oak, with even-textured grain, I'd turn you a lampstand for your light, a table tall and plain. And when you turn your light on, I hope it'll be for me; 'Cause you're the light of my life, the only one for me. If I had a piece of Cedar, grain well shot with red, I'd turn you a set of corner posts for a fine double bed. A bed for you to lie on with the one that you love best, But I hope you'll lie with me, love, and farewell all the rest. Well, I'm a turner. That's my trade, as you can plainly see; But the I'd really like to do, is turn your heart to me. Alas, at that I have no skill. I never learned the art, And Cedar, Maple, and Silky Oak won't make a woman's heart. Written by Phyl Lobl...Australia ^^ |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Date: 28 Jun 98 - 04:20 PM There are plenty of songs about people being suspended from various trees. (the suspended sentence) Bob S. |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Ian HP Date: 28 Jun 98 - 08:34 AM Ashley Hutchings and Judy Dunlop have a nice CD called 'Sway With Me' which is entirely on the theme of trees, most of them newly written but in the folk tradition. |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Frank in the swamps Date: 28 Jun 98 - 06:31 AM From, "Same Old Man, Sittin' At The Mill" (that other thread) this verse. It's not Celtic, nor is it the subject of the song, but it's a great verse.... Purty little leaf, lying on the ground, Now you're turning slightly brown, Why don't you hop back up on the tree, Turn the color green the way you oughta be. For more H.M.R. with a trivia question, see the thread about dirty lyrics to folk songs. Frank i.t.s. |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: alison Date: 27 Jun 98 - 08:17 PM Hi, Yes Tim. there is "Home among the gum trees" and "Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree" to name just two. Isn't "Land of the silver birch" Canadian? Slainte Alison |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Cuilionn Date: 27 Jun 98 - 08:03 PM Muckle thanks...'tis a richt guid eddication ye're givin' me! Please keep addin' tae th' list as ye think o' mair sangs! Th' deepest o' curtsies, --Cuilionn |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: mm Date: 27 Jun 98 - 07:21 PM "There was an old woman who lived in a wood Eela weela waulia There was an old woman who lived in the wood Down by the River Saulia" etc. - the eerie Irish children's song about infanticide, a popular skipping rhyme with Dublin children. |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca Date: 27 Jun 98 - 01:31 PM Isn't there one from Australia about a gum tree? |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca Date: 27 Jun 98 - 01:30 PM The song quoted by Joan shares lines with "Oh, No, Not I", but the young maid says not to put your trust in the "green willow tree". I had always understood that to be a reference to a folk abortion remedy. There is a reference to willow in this context in The Shipping News, if I remember correctly. The song is known in Newfoundland, and Stan Rogers did a version, but it must surely be from the UK or Ireland as there are no lords of high degree in Newfoundland. Nature's ladies and gentlemen, yes, but no lords of high degree.:) There are "maids", though, as young girls in Newfoundland are still called that much as they were in western England in the time of Thomas Hardy. Tree songs -- there is "Lemon Tree". I suppose "The Lumberjack's Alphabet" might qualify, although they list things necessary to cut trees down. You'd think a country like Canada would have lots of songs about trees, but oddly enough none come to mind except in the context of lumberjack and woodsman songs, where they have a tendancy to fall on young men.
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Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: kiwi Date: 26 Jun 98 - 06:04 PM How about "The Trees They Grow High"? The trees they grow high and the leaves they do grow green Many's the time my own true love I've seen Many's the hour I've watched him all alone He's young but he's daily growing...etc. Sla/n, Kiwi |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Susan of DT Date: 25 Jun 98 - 08:45 PM a search for @tree gets 16 hits, but that is a more recent category than @plant* which probably has hundreds. Or search for [oak and] |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Barry Finn Date: 25 Jun 98 - 04:58 PM If it's oak (ok) with you, it's pine by me. Barry |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Jerry Friedman Date: 25 Jun 98 - 11:55 AM Searches of the DT for "oak", "pine", etc., will probably turn up a lot, but the trees probably won't be the real subjects of the songs, as they aren't in
"The oak and the ash and the bonnie ellum/birken tree The DT has a song called "Arbutus". A forum search for "arbutus" will turn up a different song I posted some months ago. It's as Celtic as your heart could desire, Cuilionn, but since the words are by the 19th-century poet Alfred P. Graves, it may not be what you're looking for. There's also "The Cherry-Tree Carol" |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Jon W. Date: 25 Jun 98 - 11:47 AM I don't know as it's exactly a tree song but "The Old Oak Tree" is a murder ballad where the fair young victim is buried under the oak. Boys of the Lough recorded it on their first album. |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Bo Date: 25 Jun 98 - 11:33 AM Dont forget The Rattlin Bog Bo |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Håvard Date: 25 Jun 98 - 07:09 AM Think "Bonnie Jew Tree" is one of Brian McNeill's songs (might have been written while he was still with the Battlefield Band) - I don't have the lyrics though :-( Håvard |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Barry Finn Date: 25 Jun 98 - 06:53 AM "My bonnie yew tree Tell me what did you see" Not to old of a song I think, maybe by Jez Lowe, can't remember much about except it's a nice song about if this ancient tree had eyes & could talk what a history it would tell. Maybe someone else will have something on it. Barry |
Subject: RE: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: JB3 Date: 25 Jun 98 - 05:21 AM "Oak and Ash and Thorn" [A Tree Song] comes to mind, as do all the "Holly and Ivy" (Christmas) songs. Are you familiar with those? Jean Ritchie wrote a lovely song called "The Holly-Tree Carol", that compares the holly with the beech and oak. There are many versions of "The trees they do grow high", or "Young, but a-daily growing", but trees are only mentioned in the first line. There's also the old ballad from the Makem family about a young girl with child, thrown out of her parents' house, that has the verses:
The taller that a young tree grows, the bitterer (sweeter grows) the bark
So come all you fair and tender maids I like these verses because they shed light on a problematic (to me, anyway) commonplace floating verse that you find in everything from "Fair and Tender Ladies" to "On Top of Old Smokey", about not placing your love on a tree, lest it wither and die. Another floating verse, most often associated with "The Water is Wide", talks about "she leaned her back up against an oak", etc, that I always took as an allegory for a love that proved false (which it is), but, you find it also in most versions of "The Cruel Mother", which points to the very ancient tradition of seeking a guardian tree under which to give birth. Which is why so many births are associated with the "greenwood side" in folksong. I've always been interested in folksongs that mention trees and look forward to what others may add. June (JB3) The song quoted above is in DT as "Month Of January." -JoeClone 19-Jan-2001. |
Subject: Tree songs? esp. Celtic? From: Cuilionn Date: 25 Jun 98 - 01:17 AM Mo cairdean/ Folks & Friends, 'Tis th' indecipherable lass wrichtin' tae ye agin, sae luik weel an' wricht back if ye care tae oblige me! I've been sairchin' mony's th' lang day for songs whae mention trees, an' I'm beggin' for a wee bit o' help. Can ye Mudcatters help me tae gaither up lyrics o' Tree Songs in Braid Scots, Scots Gaelic, Irish, or English? Richt noo I anely twa o' them, sic as: Craobh Nan Ubhal (Apple Tree) Rowan Tree There mun be a hantle o' ithers oot there, an' I want tae be at th' lairnin' o' them! I'd prefer tae limit th' harvest tae traditional or present-day folk songs whae rise oot o' th' Celtic tradition, but if ye hae ane or twa guid American anes that'd be alricht. Please list full lyrics if ye can, particularly for th' Gaelic anes! Tapadh leibh/ Muckle Thanks, --Cuilionn |
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