BS: The Big Kahuna

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: SINSULL
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 07:12 PM

correction - the first Gidget movie was "Gidget", 1959 with Sandra Dee as Gidget, James Darren as Moondoggie, and CLIFF ROBERTSON as the Big Kahuna.
God am I old.
SINS

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 07:02 PM

! This is everything I ever wanted to know about kahuna but was afraid to ask !

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: SINSULL
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 06:47 PM

Back on topic: In the late 50s/early 60s, the movie "Gidget Goes Hawaian" introduced most of us for the first time to the term Great Kahuna. He was the somewhat stoned head surfer if I remember correctly. Trivia time - who played the romantic lead, Moondoggie?

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: Two_bears
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 06:34 PM

Well, obviously Alberto knew of the "curse" beforehand, then.

Of course he knew about the curse in advance.

Sounds to me like he didn't need either fear or desire to be affected by the Shaman's workings either. He (quite logically and consciously) invited the experience when he made the bet! So of course he was affected.

If it was his subconscious mind being fearful, and his own subconscious mind manidwsted the curse; then why did not his subconscious mind manidest the curse on Saturday; when expected it. Why did his subconscious mind wait for two days until the Shaman started the curse?

I have some personal experience dealing with "black magick" myself, as you know. I was a pretty sick, sorry and messed-up puppy until I reached a greater understanding of what was affecting me and

I have experiences of being attacked via black magic too.

OK I'm curious - how? Through trickery - ie assuming the form of a family member or someone else the person trusts during a dream, then attacking while their defenses are down? Or just plain "rushing" and overpowering the victim during a dream - ie an unprovoked surprise

I am NOT going to release this in a public forum because people can wreck the lives of their intended victims, and their own life in the process because of the karmic backlash.

Several people have asked me to do the death prayer for them, and when I refused; they asked me to explain the technology of the death prayer to them and again I refused.

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: *daylia*
Date: 06 Jun 04 - 07:46 AM

A friend of his introduces Alberto to a Shaman, then the friends bet one another $100 that the Shaman can not negatively influence Alberto's Health

Well, obviously Alberto knew of the "curse" beforehand, then.

Sounds to me like he didn't need either fear or desire to be affected by the Shaman's workings either. He (quite logically and consciously) invited the experience when he made the bet! So of course he was affected.

And I bet he was right asking about those subconscious fears, too. Inviting an unknown and potentially dangerous situation upon oneself is bound to make anyone a bit nervous -- I don't care how "scientific" they are.

I have some personal experience dealing with "black magick" myself, as you know. I was a pretty sick, sorry and messed-up puppy until I reached a greater understanding of what was affecting me and how, consciously changed my fearful, angry thought patterns and released all that negative emotion. That was a difficult piece of work and it did take some time, but it was worth it! Because today there's no way something like that could have any effect on me whatsoever - except perhaps making me stronger by giving my defenses a good workout.

There are other ways a human being can be breached.

OK I'm curious - how? Through trickery - ie assuming the form of a family member or someone else the person trusts during a dream, then attacking while their defenses are down? Or just plain "rushing" and overpowering the victim during a dream - ie an unprovoked surprise attack from behind? Unfortunately I have some experience with both those scenarios as well.

Gotta love getting into magick and shamanism, with the "wrong people" - NOT!

I do apologize to all for the thread drift but I am curious about this. Maybe you could respond to me privately Two Bears?

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: Two_bears
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 01:00 PM

Then again, believe what you will as I'm (obviously) no expert on Hawaiian history. Just look at my first post - I used the word kahunas not once but twice - and here I thought I'd learned something reading the first few posts on this thread!

I use kahunas all of the time because if I were to use the plural form in Hawai'i; I would waste a tremendous amount of time explaining about the Hawaii'ian oral tradition, and the Hawai'ians foif not signify plurals the way we do here in the west.

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: Two_bears
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 12:57 PM

Well according to the anthropology and psychology I've studied, "curses" can have no effect whatsoever unless the intended victim

That is conjecture from the view of the anthropoloists in an attempt to explain what they saw. It does not mean they were correct in their assumptions.

You should read the book "Shaman: Healer: Sage" by Alberto Villoldo. He holds a Ph.D in Anthropology.

A friend of his introduces Alberto to a Shaman, then the friends bet one another $100 that the Shaman can not negatively influence Alberto's Health, They decide to do this on Saturday after Albertoreturned to the states.

He goes out to dinner with friends, and during the heal; he tells that he is being cursed by a powerful Shaman, and everyone laughs.

Nothing happens on Sunday, or monday; so he is preparing to win $100. but Monday evening comes; and he is very sick. his stomach twisting in knots, and about an hour later; the phone rings, and it is his friend that says the Shaman was gone Saturday. so he asks his friend to go back to the shaman and ask him to lift the curse.

When Alberto began studying with the shaman; he asked about the incident where his health was negatively affected, and was wondering if he had subconscious fears, and the abthropologists believed that for curses to work; the person had ro be aware of the curse. the shaman laughed, when Alberto was able to get the shaman to tell him what was so funny? the Shaman explained that no he did not want the person to know about the curse because the person could go to another shaman and have something done to prevent the curse.

It's said there's only two ways a human being can be breached - through either fear or desire. It's highly unlikely anyone in their

That is another assumption. There are other ways a human being can be breached.

Yes - it would have been better to say that the spiritual energetic techniques of ancient Hawaii are called "Huna" today. Thanks for clearing that up.

That will work.

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: *daylia*
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 09:26 AM

Then again, believe what you will as I'm (obviously) no expert on Hawaiian history. Just look at my first post - I used the word kahunas not once but twice - and here I thought I'd learned something reading the first few posts on this thread!

AARRGHHHHH ..... I guess it's back to the ole surfboard.

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: *daylia*
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 09:07 AM

Quite right. when the kahuna 'ana'ana wanted someone dead; the victim did not have to know anything about the curse. They simply died in days.

Well according to the anthropology and psychology I've studied, "curses" can have no effect whatsoever unless the intended victim

(1) knows of the curse (or at least knows the sorcerers to be capable of working such a thing), and

(2) believes such curses "work" - and (more importantly) FEARS them.

It's said there's only two ways a human being can be breached - through either fear or desire. It's highly unlikely anyone in their right mind would desire to be "cursed". So it must have been through regular and massive doses of fear - helped along by making sure the people remained ignorant of the truth by "keeping the secrets" to themselves - that the kahunas held the common people of Hawaii "captive" - virtual slaves of their own fears and superstitions.

In other words, if a person is harmed by a "curse" - that harm is caused by the person themselves - ie any "symptoms" - up to and including death - are psychosomatic in origin.

Daylia: ahem. The Hawai'ians did not call this spiritual technology huna. They did not have an official name for this technology; but ho'omana (to make mana) comes close.

Yes - it would have been better to say that the spiritual energetic techniques of ancient Hawaii are called "Huna" today. Thanks for clearing that up.

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: Two_bears
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 08:18 AM

Very interesting, Mark - thank you! I know that Two Bears is definitely not a kahuna 'ana'ana . He knows better than to use Hawaiian energetic techniques (Huna) to interfere with others or cause harm - although obviously not all kahunas did!

Absolutely! What you send out comes back to you. I already walked out of the pits of hell on earth, and I am NOT going to manipulate others.

You can call this (the law of karma, the law of reciprocity, what goes around comes around, the young carpenter said "ye reap what ye sow", the Wiccan rede has "what ye send out comes back to thee; so ever mind the rule of three), etc.

Hawaiian sorcerers are still among the most powerful and feared the world over.

Quite right. when the kahuna 'ana'ana wanted someone dead; the victim did not have to know anything about the curse. They simply died in days.

but he's a healer alright, a wise and powerful one too. So that makes him a kahuna lapau'au. He's been oh-so-patiently training me,

Thank you for the kind words.

No. I am a kahuna nui (a kahuna in multiple skills (healing, modifying the weather, prayer, etc).

No I am not a kahuna lapa'au. I do not use herbs in healing. I only use lifeforce energy for healing.

The extraordinary mental feats of these kahuna are still legendary.
And their "secrets" - the powerful spiritual/psychic technology called HUNA - were closely guarded, passed on only to the next

Daylia: ahem. The Hawai'ians did not call this spiritual technology huna. They did not have an official name for this technology; but ho'omana (to make mana) comes close.

This spiritual technology was not named huna until Nax Freedom Long wrote his series of books. If I had done the research MFL did; I would have named this technology pule me mana (pray with lifeforce energy).

The kahuna strengthened their mind by memorizing the lineage of kings, prayers, extremely long chants; the kumulipo (chant about the creation of the earth, and everything on earth) is 1,210 lines long, and the kahuna had to be able to quote the entire chant from beginning to end without error.

the Kahuna Nui was a great man who had mastered all the various branches and passed all the tests. It is reported in their verbal history that there were times when no one was considered worthy of that title. The position would remain unfilled until someone sufficiently adept did come along".

Hmm ... is this what you aspire to, Two Bears?

Absolutely! To be the best human being that I can be, and make the most of my potential.

Two Bears

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: *daylia*
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 07:46 AM

Very interesting, Mark - thank you! I know that Two Bears is definitely not a kahuna 'ana'ana . He knows better than to use Hawaiian energetic techniques (Huna) to interfere with others or cause harm - although obviously not all kahunas did!

Hawaiian sorcerers are still among the most powerful and feared the world over.

He doesn't build canoes, and I'm not sure he watches the skies for omens -- but he's a healer alright, a wise and powerful one too. So that makes him a kahuna lapau'au. He's been oh-so-patiently training me, and I absolutely LOVE HUNA! .... but I'm affiliated with Cats ... not Bears, and that makes me less interested in work and more interested in the Good Life!   ;-)

Seriously though, the word kahuna has yet another meaning - keeper of the secrets. The Hawaiians had no written language. They kept track of their history and preserved their knowledge through oral tradition - and the kahunas spent a good part of their lives honing their memory and mental focus by reciting the traditions and myths, the long historical lineages of kings etc, sometimes for days on end.

The extraordinary mental feats of these kahuna are still legendary.
And their "secrets" - the powerful spiritual/psychic technology called HUNA - were closely guarded, passed on only to the next generation of kahuna. These kahuna were bound to serve the ali'i (royalty)- while the common people and the slaves (the "untouchables" captured in war etc) were generally at their mercy.

According to Allan P Lewis' "Clearing Your Lifepath through Kahuna Wisdom", the kahuna lapau'au (medical kahunas) were further subdivided into areas of speciality, such as bone-setting (orthopedics) etc. "The High Priest, the Kahuna Nui was a great man who had mastered all the various branches and passed all the tests. It is reported in their verbal history that there were times when no one was considered worthy of that title. The position would remain unfilled until someone sufficiently adept did come along".

Hmm ... is this what you aspire to, Two Bears?

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: Two_bears
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 07:42 AM

Two Bears, you just taught me something. Most Hawaiian words use a change in article to indicate plural, for example: ka pua, the flower, na pua, the flowers. But according to my dictionary, kahuna becomes plural by adding a macron (kahakou) -- a dash -- over the first "a", stressing and lengthening it. (The "a" in the plural

This is correct. I did not remember how to display the dash above the first a so I capitalized the A to show it was emphasized.

Hawaiian words can have many different meanings depending on how it is spoken, the context it is used in.

Let's take the famous word Aloha for example.

Aloha can mean hello when used alone in a greeting.

Aloha in conyext can mean, love, mercy, compassion, friendship, pity, etc

If you emphasize the second sylable (I will use capital letters again) as in aloHA is goodbye. AloHA seperates the the word into two words alo ha. In this configuration; aloHA = (go with the breath of life).

I'm sure there are other words that make the plural that way, but I don't know them. Then again, I don't know very much Hawaiian!

Lots of Hawaiian words signify plurals that way.

I am not an expert on the Hawai'ian language either. I focus more on understanding the kahuna pule (prayer experts), understanding the physical and spiritual anatomy of the human being, and the use of life-force energy in prayer.

My dictionary defines kahuna as "priest, minister, sorcerer, expert in any profession." It can also be used as a verb. Some interesting combining forms of kahuna:

Not really. Kahuna was simply a title. It means master or expert.

kahuna 'ana'ana: sorcerer who practices black magic

The ana'ana were assassins for the ali'i (chiefs) The ana'ana were famous for praying people to death.

and my favorite, kahuna lapa'au: medical practitioner (literally, "expert in healing")

The kahuna lapa'au was not the only kahuna that did healing. The lapa'au used medicinal herbs.

There were kahunas that healed by using lomilomi (deep massage)

The kahuna pule healed with lifeforce energy. There are documented reports of these kahuna healing a broken bone (where the jagged bones were sticking through the skin) to being completely healed, and the person up walking around in just a few minutes.

I have never observed this myself; but I have seen some incredible things happen under my own hands to tell me that healing a broken bone in minutes IS possible.

Two years ago; I was at the laundrymat and I heard Tammy F scream. I went outside and asked her what was wrong. She told me she had injured her hand at work, and was unable to move her thumb.

I picked up her laundry baskets and carried them inside for her, then I told her that I was an energy healer, and offered to do a healing for her hand. She quickly told me that she did not believe in any of that crap, and furthermore; she had been to the doctor, and the doctor said that the ony way she would regain the use of her thumb was to have surgery to repair the injured nerves, muscles and tendons.

I told Tammy "If the energy does not help' it certainly will not harm; then she held out her hand. I did the deep breathing to accumulate the mana surcharge, then I held her hand between my hands. About 30 seconds into the healing she asked how my hands get so hot, then about 15 seconds later we both observed redness running up her arm. I released her hand after about 3 minutes, and asked her how she felt, she wiggled her thumb tentatively and droped her jaw in amazement, then she wiggled the thumb normally, and she said "Damn! This is Cool!"

I saw four miracles happen on November 22nd of last year when I gave a workshop on this spiritual technology in Atlanta, Ga.

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 03:19 AM

But EBarnacle, to answer your question..."Kahunas" should work just fine in Maine.

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 12:57 AM

Two Bears, you just taught me something. Most Hawaiian words use a change in article to indicate plural, for example: ka pua, the flower, na pua, the flowers. But according to my dictionary, kahuna becomes plural by adding a macron (kahakou) -- a dash -- over the first "a", stressing and lengthening it. (The "a" in the plural article na also has a kahakou.) I'm sure there are other words that make the plural that way, but I don't know them. Then again, I don't know very much Hawaiian!

It's a bit frustrating that Microsoft's special symbols fonts have all the different diacritical markings except the macron, making it difficult to type Hawaiian words on the computer.

My dictionary defines kahuna as "priest, minister, sorcerer, expert in any profession." It can also be used as a verb. Some interesting combining forms of kahuna:

kahuna 'ana'ana: sorcerer who practices black magic
kahuna kalai wa'a: canoe builder (those in the DC area will get to see a kahuna kalai wa'a on the Mall this summer, finishing a Hawaiian fishing canoe which will be donated to the Smithsonian. Details here.)
kahuna kilokilo: priest or expert who observes the skies for omens
and my favorite, kahuna lapa'au: medical practitioner (literally, "expert in healing")

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: Two_bears
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 11:59 PM

The plural is kahuna.

You are almost correct.

Kahuna (is one hahuna)
KAhuna (where the first A is emphasized is the plural form)

The Hawai'ians had an oral tradition with no written language before the (Christian) missionaries arrived in Hawai'i in 1820.

I guess you could call me the big kahuna. I have been studying Hawai'ian culture and mysticism for several years, and use Hawai'ian energetic healing technology.

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: GUEST,EBarnacle and Lady Hillary
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 10:27 PM

Good article, thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: Barry Finn
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 09:59 PM

I belive it refers to surfers that admired by the rest.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 09:58 AM

Kahuna

The plural is kahuna.

Subject: RE: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 09:53 AM

Kahuna is a Polynesian word. Don't worry aboiut the -i or -ase plural forms -- they're Latin. The Roman Empire didn't reach that far!!

I don't know hopw plurals are formed in Hawaii'an, but perhaps "Mr and Mrs Kahuna" would do.


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Subject: BS: The Big Kahuna
From: EBarnacle
Date: 04 Jun 04 - 09:50 AM

Lady Hillary and I have been invited to a wedding in Maine. The groom is known in his family as the big kahuna. His intended is equally tall so we want to give the gift to "The Big Kahunas" or is it "Kahunae" or "Kahuni?" We need a little linguistic help here, folks. Thanks in advance.