BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story

Subject: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Pseudolus
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 03:02 PM

I would like to tell you all a story. Please bear with me if it gets lengthy.

When I was about thirteen years old my parents took us to the beach for two weeks! What a blast. Beautiful weather every day and we were less than a block from the beach. On Thursday of the first week we noticed that no one else was swimming in the ocean.

As we got closer I heard someone say something about jellyfish. My brother asked my dad what they were talking about and he explained that jellyfish sting you and the results are at best very uncomfortable so we couldn't swim. I was bored but my brother and sister got out their beach toys and started playing in the sand.

After a while two guys came up to us and asked if they could borrow two of the buckets my brother wasn't using. They were gonna "clear the area of jelly fish so that people could get back in the water". All of us kids got really excited but I noticed that my dad was trying his best to not laugh. I then got my first understanding about current and tides and the numbers that jelly fish travel in. My dad explained that he didn't want to kill their spirits, which is why he gave the buckets over. He did warn them but they were sure they could do it and he still allowed them to give it a shot.

After about 20 minutes, two very red, very stung and very tired young men returned the buckets and announced that they had in fact failed and there was nothing they could do about the jelly fish but encouraged others to pick up where they left off. There were no takers.

This is where I've come to in the debate with The Shambles. I thank you all for not killing my spirit as I started into the water. I appreciate the civility with which this debate was taken by everyone including Roger. My only hope is that some of you watching me splash about amongst the jellys got a bit of a chuckle out of my effort. I would be disappointed if I didn't get at least one, I told ya so.

For what it's worth, I don't disagree with everything Roger says. The biggest thing I disagree with is that the clones are out to get him or that the clones treat him differently than anyone else. He makes some good points but when they are in the middle of a cut and paste post that I have read parts of several times, I can't separate the "agree with" from the "don't agree with". That doesn't make him wrong; it's just too hard for me to sift through it all.

So my quest to be the arbitrator par excellence has ended.


Frank

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: gnu
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 03:15 PM

And, if ya cut off one of the arms of a starfish, it grows back.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 03:23 PM

Shambles (a thread on the HELP forum).

Censorship on Mudcat
Max what about Shambles requests
In the UK
Closing threads

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: gnu
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 03:26 PM

Ya just don't get it, do ya?

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 05:23 PM

BTW, The proper parlance on the California beach these days is to refer to them as "jellies". I don't know if it is taxonomic or PC-onic.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 06:23 PM

'"jellies"'

They goes good on toasts.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: bobad
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 06:24 PM

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Pseudolus
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 12:22 AM

Bobad, you make a good point...I agree. :)

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Folkiedave
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 12:40 PM

Been a serious problem here on the Costa Tropical in Southern Spain. Over 5,000 people treated locally for jelly-fish stings. Lovely word in Spanish - Medusa!

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: gnu
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 12:59 PM

When I was a tad, I was diving and swimming off the wharf at Cap de Cassie near Shediac, New Brunswick, Canada. I was just about to take another running flying leap when a big commotion began. A man was pulled up onto the wharf with almost the entire left side of his body badly "burned" from diving into what is locally called a Spanish Man-o'-War. I had had lot of jellyfish stings but never even knew these big buggers existed. Never dove into salt water since.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Peace
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 03:54 PM

From Australia.


Just imagine getting stung by THIS sonuvabitch.

"Most jellyfish are not dangerous to humans but a few are highly toxic, such as the Cyanea capillata. Contrary to popular belief, the menacingly infamous Portuguese Man O' War (Physalia) isn't actually a jellyfish, but a colony of hydrozoan polyps."

And as gnu said, even the thought of getting stung by a colony of hydrozoan polyps--well, where is William Shatner when ya REALLY need 'em.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: gnu
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 04:36 PM

Oh... maybe it was a "Portuguse Man O' War" rather than a Spanish one... perhaps I have my biology mixed up with my history mixed up with my geography. SNAFU.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Peace
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 04:39 PM

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

A chrysanthamom by any other name would be easier to spell.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: gnu
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 04:41 PM

Chrysanthemum? It is a bitch, innit?

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Peace
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 08:11 PM

Yeah. What HE said!

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Peace
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 08:12 PM

Ya figger Steinbeck would have entitled the short story, "The Petunia" or "The Daisy". But noooooooo, he had to call it "The What Gnu Said".

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 08:35 PM

Yeah - I think the Shambles (and the denizons of dozens with like minded spirits - should/must be banned.)

They are a scourge to musical American Folk/Blues and the mission of the MudCat.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

dancing round May-poles in the village square is a dandy place for these dancers.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 09:10 PM

The very small Aussie jelly fish is one of the most deadly - can be fatal.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: JennyO
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 08:21 AM

Bruce, you were stung by a wild papaya tree???

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 08:26 AM

The biggest thing I disagree with is that the clones are out to get him or that the clones treat him differently than anyone else.

The claim is - from some of our anonymous volunteer fellow posters - is that their imposed editing actions are NEVER selective or personally motivated.

I simply refer to and provide the evidence - usually in their own words - for our forum to judge for themselves if this claim is in fact supported by the evidence.

In return I am subjected to publicy made assumptions about my motives, abusive personal attacks, name-calling and to becoming the subject of public gossip and judgement on our forum from many of these volunteer fellow posters ( and their supporters) most of whom I have never met.

Which does tend to make these claims for impartial treatment and claims that the editing actions that are evidenced on our forum are not personally motivatied - rather suspect.

Those who wish to ignore the evidence - shoot the messenger and appear to prefer to live in a land of clouds and cuckoos are welcome to this delusion. I remain to be convinced that this cloud cuckoo land is now really open and welcoming to all posters on an equal basis
- as is still also the claim. But I am a man who is always open to persusasion.................

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 09:18 AM

... but not always to being easily convinced...

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 09:54 AM

Do many really make the effort to try?

Perhaps the majority do agree with me?

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: LilyFestre
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 10:14 AM

Darn. I thought this was going to be a thread about the Jellyfish picks....I suppose it IS spelled differently...Jellifish...but hey...you never, EVER know what is in these threads until you open them!

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 10:59 AM

This is where I've come to in the debate with The Shambles. I thank you all for not killing my spirit as I started into the water. I appreciate the civility with which this debate was taken by everyone including Roger. My only hope is that some of you watching me splash about amongst the jellys got a bit of a chuckle out of my effort. I would be disappointed if I didn't get at least one, I told ya so.

Frank you seemed to miss the main point of your story. Unless the point of posting it was just to play publicly to the crowd?

I feel the futile fight with jellyfish and tides was less your 'debate' with me. For you overlook that my whole point is first a reaction to a futile attempt at the control of others. Our anonymous volunteer fellow posters are set up to protect us from your jellyfish.

My reaction accepts the reality - that any attempt to control aspects that are beyond control and by using methods that have no hope of working - not only futile - they are often counter-productive. They can also be open to abuse if others continue to support these measures - largely because they may be told by those who make the attempt - that these futile attempts at control are well-intentioned.

There is no doubt that attempts to clear your beach of jellyfish was both well-intentoned and futile. Other beach users may initially support these good intentions and humour them. But if the attempt involved our volunteers imposing restrictions on where and when others could swim and placing miles of line and netting along the beach - that swimmers could get caught-up in and drowned - they may consider the attempt to be well-intentioned but too counter-productive to continue supporting.

So it is with our forum. All of the imposed editing is only a reactive measure. It can only delete or alter what has already been posted. A bit like clearing your beach of a few already dead jellyfish (and at the same time restricting and clearing the beach of incocent bathers) when there are thousands of live jellyfish just bobbing about offshore and waiting for the next tide?

On our forum, the only real control is over what you choose to open - to post - or choose not to. Anything else - no matter how well-intentioned - is really futile and risks being counter-productive and open to abuse.

Or if you like - accepting that the times and tides that you choose to visit your beach is the best way you can be free of jellyfish. Rather than encouraging other bathers in futile attempts to tangle you up with netting or running about with buckets or having restrictions on when and how you can visit - being imposed upon you.

Those volunteers on the beach may have decided long-ago that their attempts to control the jellyfish were futile - However, some of them may may just enjoy continuing to exert their control upon their fellow bathers?

After a time - some may even think they have aright to sting some of their fellow bathers themselves - instead of waitng for the jellyfish to do it........

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Pseudolus
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 11:31 AM

I said what I was going to say about the debate. I didn't start this thread to continue the debate elsewhere. And if I use a story to make a point I think I would know what the point of using it was. Either way, I am asking you as nicely as I can. Please don't hijack this thread to continue a debate that is over. I said what I wanted to say and I asked nicely to end the debate at least between you and I. One of the issues you have is when posters use your threads for their own personal needs. The debate thread is still open. Can you please use that one?

Thanks,
Frank

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Peace
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 11:37 AM

"Bruce, you were stung by a wild papaya tree???"

Darn right, JennyO. And the antidote is to take a jellyfish and put it on the papaya tree sting.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 06:20 PM

I said what I was going to say about the debate. I didn't start this thread to continue the debate elsewhere. And if I use a story to make a point I think I would know what the point of using it was. Either way, I am asking you as nicely as I can. Please don't hijack this thread to continue a debate that is over. I said what I wanted to say and I asked nicely to end the debate at least between you and I. One of the issues you have is when posters use your threads for their own personal needs. The debate thread is still open. Can you please use that one?

Not sure that this thread has a subject or if it is really possible to "hi-jack" a BS thread or indeed any thread. It possibly does sound quite noble to some - to accuse another poster of such a thing - even when all the posers is doing in reality is posting to a thread on our forum. Perhaps it is better if such dramatic terms can be avoided and we just respond to or ignore what is actually being said in the post - rather than use it as an excuse to judge both it and the poster?

Frank you did not just tell a story in your first post - you also made specific references to and about me. And you started another thread to do this in - rather than making them in the one where the continuing debate is taking place. It was a good story.

Starting a thread to make public comments about a named fellow poster is perhaps not the best example to follow or set But that is your choice and as far as I am concerned you are welcome to post to any thread and say what you wish to. Perhaps if I also ask you nicely - you would be kind enough to allow me and other posters to have that choice also?

All power the the true jellyfish.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 06:39 PM

The True Jellyfish.

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/cnidaria/scyphozoa.html

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 06:48 PM

Nope.... no good... .read these posts through 3 times now and still they make no sense... except the papaya tree. I like papaya.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Peace
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 06:49 PM

Easy for YOU to say. You never been stung by one!

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 04:22 AM

Opening threads - a debate

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 04:50 AM

Circular Links - a Debate

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 05:20 AM

Thread proliferation control

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 05:51 AM

Jellyfish prohibitions

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 09:01 AM

I suppose it takes up less space to spaek in links...

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Oct 05 - 03:47 PM

Jellyfish creepin' back in

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 03:56 AM

We're Alright Jack

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Pseudolus
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 09:30 AM

OK, well, back to the actual topic.....

My dad used to amaze us all as kids (we were easily amused) by picking up a jellyfish by putting his hand on the top of the jelly and scooping it out of the water. He didn't get stung cause the uh, whatdaya call em, tentacles? stingers? are on teh underneath side. My brother, in an attempt to do the same, was not able to scoop properly and wound up holding the jelly in a way that made his hand very red and stung. We kidded him about that for years!

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 10:51 AM

So it was not about announcing to our forum that your "quest to be the arbitrator par excellence has ended"?

If was truly and only about the true jelly fish - why didn't you make this clear?

But as jelly fish are subject to the tides and to drift - the subject of BS threads does tend to also drift naturally - where it will.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 05:46 AM

Many animals like jelly fish have bad reputations. If it matters - some of these bad reputations may be deserved but some may not. For example the assumption made by some for example – that bats are dubiously motivated denizens of the night that set-out with the sole intention of getting tangled-up in people's hair.

For some reason - you may attempt this assumption and choose to set-out on an honest attempt to convince someone who thought that bats served many beneficial functions and did not in fact get caught-up in people's hair – that they were mistaken.

However during this investigation and debate - you may not in fact find much evidence to support this generally expressed assumption that bats gets tangled-up in people's hair.

You may actually find that the firm evidence supporting the idea that bats do not get tangled-up in people's hair would strongly contradict the generally expressed assumptions that they do.

At this point - you could then set about trying to establish why – against the evidence - these unsupported assumptions are still so set in the minds of some?

Or at this point – you could always say (as many do) that it did not matter very much. However, having already expended a lot of effort – this course of action at this stage may appear a little foolish

To choose at this point – against the evidence - to make yet another groundless assumption about the possible motivations of bats - may appear even more foolish.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: GUEST,wld
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 09:57 AM

I've never known a jelly fish that you describe as true, they are wobbly and promiscuous - in the same way that many people tend to be.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 10:16 AM

In Alaskan waters fishermen frequently get stung by the 'jellies'. A friend of mine is/was a gillnetter and it's a real pain (no pun intended!) to clear the net and gear of them.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 10:21 AM

Many might be expected to agree that Jellyfish, at the mercy of life's currents, are an accidental hazard, inadvertently getting under people's skins.

Bats too, given the poor sonar reflections, might be excused for getting in people's hair.

Getting up everyone's noses?..........Well that is a chosen activity.

Need I say more.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 11:55 AM

no one NEED say more, but no doubt some will.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 12:10 PM

Subject: RE: BS: On strike and in contempt of court
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 09:17 AM

I hope you get what you should have a right to, Dianavan. Everyone should have those basic rights, whatever the cost.

Don T.

Well once you give a bat a bad name and enough Jelly Fish are encourgaged to jump on the bandwagon - some poor old bats appear to be buggered. Whatever right they may have to their chosen activity........But there is no accounting for taste or for mixing the metaphors.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 02:56 PM

Perhaps you would accept that the scent of sweet nectar and the smell of shit both get up your nose and that how you judge them – is a matter of taste?

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 07:20 PM

What I find difficult to accept is people who quote my words on a different, and very specific subject, out of their original context, and try to use them to prove their own different and nauseatingly repetitive point.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: LilyFestre
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 08:13 PM

Good Lord. Are you STILL arguing Shambles. Isn't there an AA for that....Argumentative Anonymous or something?!?!?!?!   C'mon man...it's a new day...let it go...enjoy life for a few minutes...it is NOT all a conspiracy...

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Pseudolus
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 08:43 PM

...like the energizer friggin bunny Lil....

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Blowzabella
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 04:42 PM

I wondered where he'd gone...

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 06:33 AM

Good Lord. Are you STILL arguing Shambles. Isn't there an AA for that....Argumentative Anonymous or something?!?!?!?!   C'mon man...it's a new day...let it go...enjoy life for a few minutes...it is NOT all a conspiracy...

I have made no claim that it is. But perhaps you could provide some supporting evidence for your statement.

I am not a great believer in conspiracy. I subscibe to the 'cock-up' theory. This is the firm belief that if we allow it - all good things will be cocked-up by some often well-intentioned if needless human interferance. Things that are not in fact broken can be totally ruined by honest if unskilled attempts to fix them.

I have found that one of the enjoyable things in life is contributing over many years to our forum and seeing my words and those of my fellow poster remain as posted.

I have evidenced that this enjoyable activity is now being prevented - for the slightest of reasons (to protect us all from the stings of dead jelly fish) and judgement is being imposed by some of my (anonymous) fellow posters. I will continue to do my best to try to ensure that our words can continue to remain as posted on our forum. Is that such a terrlble thing?

Any help - in the form of any sensible contribution to this debate will be much appreciated.

Closing threads

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 06:38 AM

The Argument Sketch

http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm

M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
A: No it isn't.
M: It is.
A: Not at all.
M: Now look.
A: (Rings bell) Good Morning.
M: What?
A:   That's it. Good morning.
M:   I was just getting interested.
A:   Sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes!
A:   I'm afraid it was.
M: It wasn't.
Pause
A:   I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
M: What?!
A:   If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
M: Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
A: (Hums)
M: Look, this is ridiculous.
A:   I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M: Oh, all right.
(pays money)
A:   Thank you.
short pause
M: Well?
A:   Well what?
M:   That wasn't really five minutes, just now.
A:    I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
M:   I just paid!
A:   No you didn't.
M:   I DID!
A:   No you didn't.
M: Look, I don't want to argue about that.
A: Well, you didn't pay.
M: Aha. If I didn't pay, why are you arguing? I Got you!
A:   No you haven't.
M: Yes I have. If you're arguing, I must have paid.
A:   Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
M: Oh I've had enough of this.
A:   No you haven't.
M: Oh Shut up.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 08:15 AM

Thank you! You do it so well!

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 08:31 AM

No I don't!

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 08:45 AM

Oh yes you do!

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: JennyO
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 09:14 AM

Sorry - five minutes is up.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 11:03 AM

That wasn't really five minutes, just now.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: JennyO
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 11:11 AM

Oh yes it was.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Oct 05 - 11:31 AM

Nobody's out to offend your right to free speech - but if you insist on making an asshole of yourself, you're likely to be treated like an asshole.
-Joe Offer-

Yes, I think you may well be first on the list, my friend. It's time for you either to shut up, or to use a name and take responsibility for what you have to say. If you continue to refuse to use a name, you will be come a non-person around here, and every single message you post will be deleted.
Free speech is fine, but you're just a pain in the ass.
-Joe Offer-

OK, so I suppose it's time to close this one, too. I don't know what the solution is, but I do know it doesn't have anything to do with everybody calling each other asshole.
That kind of stuff makes it really difficult to carry on an adult discussion.
-Joe Offer-

No it doesn't.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 02:41 AM

Q:   WHAT DO YOU WANT?
M:   Well, I was told outside that...
Q:   Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
M:   What?
Q:   Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
M:   Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
Q:   OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
M:   Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
Q:   Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
M:   Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
Q:   Not at all.
M:   Thank You.
(Under his breath) Stupid git!!

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 03:50 AM

WordWeb gives the following for 'argument'.

A fact or assertion offered as evidence that something is true.

A discussion in which reasons are advanced for and against some proposition or proposal.

A contentious speech act; a dispute where there is strong disagreement

A summary of the subject or plot of a literary work or play or movie.

A variable in a logical or mathematical expression whose value determines the dependent variable; if f(x)=y, x is the independent variable.

No it isn't..........

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 03:54 AM

You know it so well Shambles..

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 04:07 AM

No I don't.

M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
A: No it isn't.
M: It is.
A: Not at all.
M: Now look.
A: (Rings bell) Good Morning.
M: What?
A:   That's it. Good morning.
M:   I was just getting interested.
A:   Sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes!
A:   I'm afraid it was.
M: It wasn't.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: JennyO
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 04:12 AM

Oh yes you do...

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 04:13 AM

Please stop - I can't breathe...

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 04:38 AM

If there's a jellyfish about.
Give us a shout

Under this banner - there was this group of people who were cordoning others into groups and throwing a white powder all over the place.

When asked what they were doing - the aswerer came that they were a self qualified but 'crack outfit' dedicated to protect society from the stings of dead jellyfish and that the scattering of this special powder, with its secret ingredients and formula only entrusted to a select few - ensured absolute protection from the stings of these already dead jellyfish.

When I pointed out that in all my days I had never seen a true jellyfish - dead or alive anywhere near Alice Springs - which is some miles from any beach and was the place where they were scattering this powder whilst attempting to organise people - many of whom clearly did not wish to be organised - the reply was that it just demonstrated how effective this secret powder was.

Fair enough............If you wished to ignore reality and all the side-effects of this secret powder and the concerns of those who were alergic to its increasing use and the slow but certain pollution caused by its careless scattering.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 09:23 PM

My secret is out. Well, it's a living Shambles...

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Peace
Date: 22 Oct 05 - 09:26 PM

"If you wished to ignore reality and all the side-effects of this secret powder and the concerns of those who were alergic to its increasing use and the slow but certain pollution caused by its careless scattering."

I do. Thank you, Lord.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 05:00 AM

My secret is out. Well, it's a living Shambles...

No - Robin you have blown your chances by revealing your identity.

For I forgot to mention that these people were hooded and masked and that their chief weapon was anonimity....anonimity and ruthless efficiency....Their two weapons were................I'll come in again.

Ximinez: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

Anyway - those bloody jellyfish don't stand a chance.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 05:15 AM

I have just received a leaked document from the FATS (Fighters Against The True Scyphozoa).

This indicates that the main secret ingredient of the powder - is refined from that brown smelly stuff that emanates from the back passage of a certain male bovine animal..........

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 06:47 AM

Bullshit Shambles!

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 05:43 PM

Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Peace
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 06:01 PM

"Ye Olde Official Shakespearean Insult Kit

Hello friends.
Are you weary of giving voice to the same tired old invectives
when boorish rubes intrude upon your serenity?
Don't you wish you could inveigh your enemy
with a genuinely classic put-down?"

Go to this site.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Peace
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 06:03 PM

For example:

Fie upon thee thou beslubbering addlepated canker blossom.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Peace
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 06:07 PM

Thou beggarly puke-stockinged nut-hook!

(That's from another site.)

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 06:57 PM

Sorry, Shambles

I should have said

Bulldust Shambles!

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 04:04 AM

If you think cocaine is bad for you and your nose - imagine what this stuff will do............

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Nov 05 - 02:03 AM

Mudcat censorship anti-semetic threads

The following (inserted editing comment) from the above thread.

It has to do with whether the discussion is civil or not, Martin. So far, you haven't learned the protocols of civil discussion. Keep working on it. Maybe you'll learn.
If you call people names and make demeaning sexual remarks about them, that's not considered intelligent or civil discussion. Stick to the subject of the discussion and don't make personal attacks, and maybe I won't have to delete most of your posts. As it is now, you go on 100 percent review every time I receive a complaint about you, and the review continues until you settle down.
-Joe Offer-

*Smiles*

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Peace
Date: 07 Nov 05 - 02:12 AM

"After a time - some may even think they have aright to sting some of their fellow bathers themselves - instead of waitng for the jellyfish to do it........"

THAT is a stupid metaphor.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Nov 05 - 06:20 PM

But a pretty good barometer for mental instability or anti-social thinking.

If that statement makes sense to you, seek help.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 05 - 04:21 AM

But a pretty good barometer for mental instability or anti-social thinking.

By that thinking was the late and recently celebrated Rosa Parks also anti-social and mentally unstable?

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Nov 05 - 09:55 PM

Possibly a little antisocial in her methods, maybe even a little unstable, but SHE had a better reason than rampant paranoia for her actions. One thing though, SHE did not have delusions of grandeur. She would not have dreamed of claiming to be as important as you, Roger.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Nov 05 - 02:17 AM

Stick to the subject of the discussion and don't make personal attacks, and maybe I won't have to delete most of your posts

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 03:24 AM

This one hasn't been closed?

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 03:58 AM

Don't you have anything better to do than trawl through Mudcat for unfinished arguments? You already had the last word for Pete's sake!

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 04:22 AM

Who is Pete?

I think you will find that my last word was probably deleted.

But have you nothing better to do than post only personal judgements?

We can continue this conversation next month - rather than inflict it on everyone else here? Or we can just make some music...........

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 07:39 AM

I just can't understand why you felt the thread needed to be resurrected when no one else did. Or are you hinting that it should be closed?

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 11:57 AM

Paul I don't accept that there a need for anyone to explain why they post what they do nor any right for another poster to publicly demand an explanation or to judge this.

However you and I do speak once a year, so I will provide you with one. There is a reason and if you look in Do you need to be censored?   you will see that reason.

A poster there - who had already supplied his own analogy in this thread - was told to F*** ** and find an analogy of his own. I refreshed it to demonstrate this.....

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: bobad
Date: 18 Apr 06 - 01:38 PM

I had some gefilte fish at easter with some of the jellied broth in which it is canned - does that count as a jelly fish story?

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 03:23 AM

The Internet is like a giant jellyfish.
You can't step on it.
You can't go around it.
You've got to get through it.

John Evans

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 09:38 AM

But the thread did not need to be refreshed just because you provided a link to it. It could still have been read via the link.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 11:27 AM

Oh yes it did.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 11:28 AM

Oh no it didn't and no returns! Nyah!

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 12:06 PM

Haven't you any work to do?

Why all the closed threads

What is judged so wrong with some other poster choosing to refresh this or any other thread?

For would not some also judge it eqully wrong for another poster to start a new one?

Perhaps it is better if we just concentrate on our own posting actions? For they are the only ones we do have any control over and probably the only ones we should have any control over. This alone seems to present us with enough problems....

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 12:09 PM

I may disagree with what you say

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 12:50 PM

Can you imagine what an innocent search in Google on the words 'censor' and 'impose' and 'perhaps' would bring, now that Google has begun indexing Mudcat?

Roger, you'll be famous!

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 02:13 PM

Perhaps there are worse words for which the use of will make you famous (or infamous) on Google.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 01:44 AM

"What is judged so wrong with some other poster choosing to refresh this or any other thread?"

That is usually to make a valid contribution to that thread and not just to draw attention to a debate on some other thread.

"For would not some also judge it eqully wrong for another poster to start a new one?"

No, for then there would be no forum at all.

Earlier you commented "Paul I don't accept that there a need for anyone to explain why they post what they do nor any right for another poster to publicly demand an explanation or to judge this."

I did not demand, I asked, and I believe I have the right to do that. Further, I would remind you I have the right to comment on anything you post.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 02:08 AM

I did not demand, I asked, and I believe I have the right to do that. Further, I would remind you I have the right to comment on anything you post.

According to Mick you have no rights here at all. Perhaps you could take this up with him?

As far as i am concerned - you can post to question my motives and make as many personal judgements of me or any other poster as you wish - but what is the point? For what will be the response and the example set by this?

I think you are currently seeing the result......

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 03:15 AM

I have every right, as a moderator of this forum, to judge the worth of the posts. That is exactly what moderators do, in addition to the housekeeping. We apply what we know of the guidelines to the posts of those who exercise the privilege (note: I did not say "right") of posting here. My right is generated by the obligation I have as a moderator to perpetuate this site for the majority who post here. They expect we will accept the task of not allowing the forum to crumble from the attacks of trolls. It is what we do.
Mick

Paul- I hope you do but will be very surprised if you do take this issue of what you consider are your rights here - up with Mick.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 06:11 AM

I don't think I need to take them up with Mick. I accept the moderators' right delete my posts. It's not my ball.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 06:23 AM

I did not demand, I asked, and I believe I have the right to do that.

According to Mick, he may have that right - but you do not.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 07:21 AM

I think you mean I don't have the right to expect a reply. That's my last word on this, I'll say no more but I expect you will?

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:00 AM

Do you need to be censored?

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: bobad
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 11:13 AM

Jesus H., how does a thread on jellyfish become another Shambles moanfest?

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 11:17 AM

Try reading the first post.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: bobad
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 11:28 AM

Yer right, I didn't remember six months back, my apologies.

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:11 PM

I read in an issue of "Fortean Times" about a guy that worked as a lifeguard somewhere. A small jellyfish had come drifting near the shore and someone scooped it up in a cup and had put it in a fridge to preserve it and this lifeguard came in and opened the fridge and that it was the cup of water he had put in there earlier and started to drink it and died when his throat swelled shut.

I remember being raided by jellyfish in the harbor at the Norfolk base. You could look down in the water on a sunny day and see hundreds down there it seemed like.

At night in the Persian Gulf I was on the weatherdeck looking down into the water as the ship was patrolling. I could see these large globes of lights flash down in the water next to the ship. Bright, whitish globes of light about a foot across, it seemed. Like very bright fireflies. They only flashed once but there were so many of them that the flashing was continual as we cut through the water. Another shipmate came out on deck and I pointed it out to him. We were both fascinated and sat on a bollard leaning over the lifelines watching these never-ending flashing lights down in the water close to the hull for I don't know how long.

I asked someone about them later and he said they were "polyps" and that one link someone posted mentioned jellyfish as being akin to polyps. Do jellyfish light up?

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:24 PM

Well AR, I can't help you there but I can assure you that a pickle can indeed light up and glow!

Matter of fact we even had a Mudcat song challenge about that and it was won by Amos with this one:

Your Pickle Glows At Night......Amos Jessup
(Tune: The Rising of the Moon)

"Is it really incandescence, that makes you burn like that?
Or a kind of phosphorence, in the water from your tap?
Do ye think that it's genetic? For it really is a fright
Yes it's really quite alarming, when your pickle glows at night"!

CHO: When your pickle glows at night, when your pickle glows at night!
Yes, it's really quite alarming when your pickle glows at night!

"Hushabye, me little colleen, and calm yer fearfful breast!
Tho' it's true my trusty pickle is quite different from the rest
It's the pure electric energy, whenever you're in sight
That wakens up the veggies, 'n makes my pickle glow at night "

So with gentle words, all smiling, he sought to make her calm
'Twas the first night since their wedding, , and he had not known her long!
As she slowly learned to trust him, she learned it was all right
And her fears they were ungrounded, when the pickle glowed at night!

CHO: When your pickle glows at night, when your pickle glows at night
Tho' it still seems quite unusu'l that your pickle glows at night!

By this time a year has passéd by, the lass has changed her tune!
And often asks him to reveal, the "Rising of the Moon"!
Now she thinks she's quite the lucky one, and calls it a delight
When Handsome Jack comes home again, and the pickle glows at night!

CHO: When your pickle glows at night, when your pickle glows at night!
It's such a wondrous feelin' when your pickle glows at night!

**********************************************************************


Only at the 'Cat can you get wonderful stuff like that!!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: bobad
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:11 PM

"Do jellyfish light up?"

"Luminescent species are found among marine and terrestrial bacteria, annelids or segmented worms (e.g., fireworms), beetles (e.g., fireflies, click beetles, railroad worms), algae (e.g., dinoflagellates), crustaceans (e.g., shrimp, ostracod), mollusks (e.g., squid, clams, limpets), coelenterates (e.g., jellyfish, sea pansies, hydroids), bony fish (e.g., hatchet fish, flashlight fish, pony fish), and cartilaginous fish (e.g., sharks). Luminescent vertebrates (except for certain fish), mammals, higher plants, and viruses do not exist-except for those versions created by recombinant technology."

http://www.chemistryexplained.com/Ar-Bo/Bioluminescence.html

Subject: RE: BS: A (true) Jelly Fish story
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:39 PM

"Do jellyfish light up?"

Only when they are onshore - they can't strike the matches underwater, mate!